Krazy's Anime Upick (Game Over)

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:12 am

In post 4748, Elsa Jay wrote:So let me put it better then!

We lynch a claim 3p, if he flips like such, then we know a Traitor! Or, even better, he's confirming Multiball and scum claiming a guilty on another scum. Either way: lynching him first is always a net positive.

No, because as Mastina says, I'm apparently fake claiming Town, that's absolutely not net positive.

Net positive is killing JJH FIRST WHICH CONFIRMS ME 100% of the TIME AND THEN GOING ON TO GETtiNG SCUM TOMORROW

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:15 am

In post 4745, Emperor flippyNips wrote:@mastina. Well he’s not been obvi town to me.
& if FL is lying today we kill him tomorrow idc

There's zero reasons to ever say JJH is obv town here, tbh. Mastina's trying to get a situation here where neither Me or JJH are lynched, prolonging this feud, which helps scum.

Elsa's probably town, Mastina's probably scum. They're never masons here. Probably neighbors.

Can you vote JJH?

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:18 am

So what happens when JJh flips scum? Do you eat all those words? Because he will flip scum. Unless you already know that he will, and you're protecting him.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:20 am

In post 4755, Elsa Jay wrote:Flavor hasnt rescinded his claim so he's 3p until further notice to me.

Flavor, are you atleat self-aware enough to see why we're doing this then?

Sure, but do you realize how annoying it is when I know that Jjh is scum for a fact, and I see people defending him pretty much out of nowhere, calling him obv town when he was one of the scummiest players in this game?

Elsa, you were there at the end of Day 3. He should have died there, but he didn't because he is scum.

I called him out Day 3 too.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:22 am

It's real, Mastina. This is just another one of those times where I'm the one with the correct read, and you are the one having it all flipped.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:24 am

You also manipulated Elsa for your own advantage.

She's your neighbor, right?

@Pink Ball

- I will get Alch with you tomorrow. Just please trust me on JJH today. Don't let Mastina sway you.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:30 am

In post 4771, mastina wrote:
In post 4484, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4480, jjh927 wrote:
and I can't see myself bothering to fight it off as scum
Yes.

And yet jjh is fighting it.

Which is proof that he's fucking town.

Disagree. You aren't adding the sociological side into it.

Jjh doesn't like me, so he's gonna fight me. He's pissed that I'm the one that caught him.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:32 am

I also don't really even know how accurate your meta tells are because you aren't good at meta reading me.

I guess technically you're stating I'm town here, but still.

You have not have much success with reading me correctly, bar Restless Spirits, but that ended prematurely, and you died, so :shrug:

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:33 am

In post 4774, mastina wrote:
In post 4498, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jjh
clearly
is
communicating
with
scum
team here, we
know Cheeky
is
town
, so we can see jjh is probably trying to
mess with us
, but I feel it implies at least one scum on him, maybe 2. I could see Cafe/Creature or Cafe/Alchemist, with JJH.
Yeah this narrative can be blown to smithereens just by selective bolding of key phrases.

It's full of holes.

jjh cannot both be scum clearly communicating, and scum trying to mess with us. The two are mutually exclusive. And the fact that CheekyTeeky WAS town proves that it wasn't clearly communicating to the scumteam, soooo.

/
that's how you know I'm telling the truth.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:35 am

That's how scum always try to defend against me when I have a mechanical solve.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:38 am

In the 2010s Anime UPick game, I was on the right track to catching scum before Mastina came in and derailed me there too.

I always end up telling the truth as town FL too, though. And here I am rock me like a hurricane

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:39 am

If I was fake guiltying him as town, I'd have retracted by now.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:43 am

Anybody been playing Crash Team Racing Nitro Fueled on Xbox?

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:44 am

In post 4789, mastina wrote:
In post 4526, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4325, jjh927 wrote:There are so many holes in your claim it's unbelievable
This is actually a town tell by me, and anyone who’s ever played with scum me should know this. My biggest flaw with my scum fake claims is that I’m way too consistent.
Sure you're town.
Doesn't mean you're not fakeclaiming.

jjh is 100% town here.
I'm not fucking wrong about my meta here.

I mean, he could have abused it against you.

the guilty's legit, so I don't know what else to say really. You're wrong. =/

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:53 am

how is that countering?

Sure, that's true.

Doesn't change the fact I have a legit guilty on him.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:53 am

i can repeat myself. the guilty speaks for itself.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:58 am

elsa, p sure i n1 check you every time i get the chance, so like once.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:21 am

He’s a traitor.

Lynch JJH.

Flippy vote him. He’ll flip traitor. If he doesn’t, powerlynch me tomorrow.

I know he will.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:23 am

Yeah, this fits JJH’s scum meta from Mastina’s description to me.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:34 am

In post 4834, mastina wrote:
In post 4625, Flavor Leaf wrote:People are trying so blatantly hard to protect JJH.
Oh maybe that's because people actually have a fucking clue and fucking know that this is jjh's towngame and know that you're fucking fakeclaiming.

I’m not fake claiming, and 6 votes on JJH states otherwise.

Just bus your buddy. He’s toast this game. Duck a la mode

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:35 am

You’re a funny one, Mastina.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:50 am

Pink, it’s Jjh today.

It also helps out the Alch scum case.

Also, Mastina’s likely scum who just got you.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:51 am

Pink ball, please trust me this day phase.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:00 pm

In post 4853, Pink Ball wrote:I don't want to be between mastina and FL that's so unfair

Your action is noted, but like I said, it’s a theory, and a theory that Mastina is trying to push to save scumJjh.

Mastina is being ultra manipulative everywhere.

There’s absolutely no reason she should be pushing me as town like this, and she’s hardcore manipulated Elsa, in what I imagine is just a neighborhood.

She also counter cases JJH, pushed him as following his town meta, but Flips called her out on that being not true, and Flippy hasn’t even been here for a while.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:01 pm

In post 4851, mastina wrote:
In post 4702, Flavor Leaf wrote:They have been lying about being Masons this entire game. If they were masons, theyd be dead by now.
We're not a priority nightkill because nobody believes we're masons and with me being busy and Elsa not doing much they had no incentive to. (Also I was going to push CheekyTeeky D4, so. They had extra incentive to not kill me.)

This means nothing because Cheeky died that night...

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:03 pm

I’m gonna say it...wait...i can’t believe i haven’t already.

Mastina is...wait for it...hatcheting me.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:09 pm

In post 26, mastina wrote:
In post 25, jjh927 wrote:Hey so I'm actually pretty hyped for this game
So am I!
My hype looks to be a different alignment than yours tho.
VOTE: jjh

Mastina also votes JJH here after a hype comment, which if JJH hates being scum, this doesn’t make sense from a meta perspective on Mastina and is like SvS.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:11 pm

In post 27, jjh927 wrote:What makes Elsa Jay conftown to you

In post 29, mastina wrote:
In post 27, jjh927 wrote:What makes Elsa Jay conftown to you
Because I have a N0 cop inno on her, obv.

In post 28, jjh927 wrote:Also we've played together before so I'm not sure what your angle is here
Because we've played together before.

In post 35, mastina wrote:
In post 33, Tet wrote:VOTE: Mastina I agree with all of these reads but I don't like the way they were said.
If you agree with the scumread on jjh, then help me bus him.

In post 46, jjh927 wrote:I'll wait on your elaborate and fairly obvious fakeclaim in a few days because you always roll scum

JJH also setup Mastina here to play her ploy on Elsa.

Mastina also jokingly comments “then help me bus him”, which I believe to be her telling the truth, but obviously having it come off as a joke.

JJH immediately made the obvious fake claim comments to me so he was actively setting up to face me it seems.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:14 pm

In post 104, mastina wrote:
In post 89, Pink Ball wrote:For fucks sake I want to tell my role 'cause I BET it's the fucking best of all.
I KNOW RITE???
Krazy gave me literally the perfect role.

In post 89, Pink Ball wrote:jjh is posting, ergo, town. I'm an intellectual, you know. I used ergo once.
Fuck you, Pink Ball; I wanted to keep my vote on jjh and pressure him as part of the rvs but I can't anymore because you dropped the truth bomb I already knew.

VOTE: Alisae

In post 108, mastina wrote:
In post 104, mastina wrote:
In post 89, Pink Ball wrote:jjh is posting, ergo, town. I'm an intellectual, you know. I used ergo once.
Fuck you, Pink Ball; I wanted to keep my vote on jjh and pressure him as part of the rvs but I can't anymore because you dropped the truth bomb I already knew.

VOTE: Alisae
Like.
I was about to make a readslist which had him at the bottom, in spite of secretly having a true readslist where he was at the top.

You ruined it.

In post 113, mastina wrote:Speaking of that readslist by the way...

Elsa Jay
Brock and Onyx
jjh927
Tet
Xtoxm
Flavor Leaf
TTTT
Pink Ball
Gamma Emerald
Chaos Wind
Shiro
Alchemist21
CheekyTeeky
Cafe Stile
Emperor flippyNips
Panzerjager
Titus
Alisae

There ya go.

In post 123, mastina wrote:
In post 116, jjh927 wrote:I trust your Elsa Jay read about as much as I trusted your Yume read last time
Probably not a bad idea; we were, after all, the same alignment last time.
Only this game it's both town rather than both scum.

They also have these and she immediately went to put him up and used Pink Ball as a turnpike to motivate that move

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:15 pm

Pink ball, you town read JJH early, and Mastina flipped and played up the jokey nature.

Please listen to me on JJH today.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:18 pm

In post 601, mastina wrote:
In post 595, CheekyTeeky wrote:I accept the challenge of getting you lynched.
Have fun getting yourself lynched.

In post 604, mastina wrote:
In post 602, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'll have fun flipping scum you. Your confidence is complete bs

In post 607, mastina wrote:
In post 603, CheekyTeeky wrote:Guys today is a 1v1 it's me or mastina. This is never anything except TvS.
Oh good.
You wanna lock that in 100%?

'Cause I'm fully ready for you to lock that in 100%.

In post 612, mastina wrote:
In post 609, CheekyTeeky wrote:Locked and loaded bish!
Oh good.

I am a mason with Elsa Jay.

Eat shit and die.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

She was setting this up from the beginning.

Cheeky had a correct read early on Mastina, and Mastina shut it down with the fake mason claim on Elsa.

She completely manipulated Elsa.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:21 pm

In post 1432, mastina wrote:
In post 1130, jjh927 wrote:If this isn't my last post for the next 24 hours please shout at me
In post 1131, jjh927 wrote:UNVOTE:
JJH I AM SHOUTING AT YOU!!!

Also hyper aware of JJH here.

JJH was gone for a while thus Mastina shouting, proving her meta case inaccurate here.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:22 pm

In post 1438, mastina wrote:
In post 1282, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m masons with Xtoxm.

I already thought Flavor Leaf was likely town but this pushes him into definitely town. While Flavor Leaf fakeclaims regardless of his alignment, this troll is something which I feel is inherently a town trollpost.

Mastina and JJH both set me up as this trolling town to discredit me in the future.

They were prepared for me coming after them.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:24 pm

In post 1451, mastina wrote:Elsa Jay

jjh927
Brock and Onyx

Alisae
Flavor Leaf
Skygazer

Tet
Chaos Wind
Xtoxm

Pink Ball
Emperor flippyNips
Shiro

TTTT

Cafe Stile

Alchemist21

Titus

Panzerjager
CheekyTeeky

This is about where I'm at.
Note that I sincerely doubt that the bottom four are together as a scumteam.
The bottom six there's probably at least a viable scumteam in, but fucked if I know which combo would be the most likely. (Also in like 97.5% of my games I townread someone I shouldn't be townreading, soooooo.)

Cheeky and Titus were deeper scum reads, both ended up flipping early, and they were town. This implies that scum are killing off Mastina pushes because that’s who is most likely to go against her.

Also, look at the top, JJH and EJ, the scum and the manipulated.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:26 pm

She also made sure to keep characters like Alisae, myself, and Creature slot up near the top, as we are more likely players to get in a debate with her.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:27 pm

In post 4867, mastina wrote:
In post 4710, Flavor Leaf wrote:Krillin clearly does the Solar Flare, he does it in the Frieza arc on Namek, and that's a pretty memorable moment even for me.
He DOES, but it's not his signature technique.

When he first uses it (I believe during the introduction of the saiyans?), I believe it's Goku who comments that it's not a hard technique to master, that in spite of it being Tien's technique originally, both he and Krillin have learned it. The point I am making is, it isn't something unique to Krillin; it isn't a technique widely associated with him.

I can buy that Krillin has the flavor of Sensu Beans, because while Krillin isn't the guy who produces them or delivers them, he IS the guy who most frequently holds onto them and he IS the guy who most frequently gives them to characters. (The fat samurai guy's usually the one who delivers them, but Krillin usually holds onto them after the delivery, basically.)

But Krillin's not really memorable in regards to the Solar Flare.

He IS memorable in the Destructo Disc. It is not only HIS move (even though other characters CAN use it), but it is also a move SEEN FREQUENTLY; he spams it almost every fight, in part because it's literally the only reason he's not worthless later on. (Because it's noted that the destructo disc is one of the
only
techniques that can
actually damage opponents who out-class the user
. I.e., he can use it on people and have it actually work even if literally every other technique of every other character including himself would fail.)

Which sounds like it works as a mafia killing power. Almost as if Alchemist might be one of Krazy's favorite scum roles, sayyyy...a
limited form of strongman?
(By which I mean, some form of gate on it probably relating to power level, and probably activated rather than passively used automatically.)

While I like that analysis there, this negates your push on Alch for the roleblock. Strongmen can’t be roleblocked.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:31 pm

Beginning of Day 2, Mastina specifically didn’t want people getting town cried for pushing TTTT, which is a scum discredit to keep them all open.

While I agree with that sentiment, it was a perfect way to open up people to being mislynched still without coming across as scummy.

This is one of the chain links i talk about. It was townie in the moment, but now in hindsight, that is scummy.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:33 pm

it’s proven by lynching JJH.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:35 pm

Mastina’s now grasping at straws to continue attempting to hatchet me. She’s essentially repeating herself, which is hypocritical considering she used that and jjh’s similar post to try and discredit me.

JJH was pushing me, Mastina is hatcheting me.

We lynch JJH today.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:35 pm

I know JJH is scum, and you know I know JJH is scum.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:36 pm

But they don’t know we know they know we know they know.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:37 pm

In post 4879, Shiro wrote:And see, they know what they are doing, if you die and flip 3p they can pretend it was town motivated and bus jj afterwards, wining them a whole day. This is why they keep this charade up, I bet you if you were town FL they would have bussed JJ or backed off majorly to see what will happen.

They don’t even have to bus JJH in that scenario.

They’ll find a way to save him, and push Alchemist or Cafe.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:38 pm

Mastina’s either going to take Elsa to end game, or turn on her and lynch her.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:39 pm

In post 4882, mastina wrote:
In post 4736, Flavor Leaf wrote:Alchemist is pretty high up on my scum list.
Flavor I'll make you a deal.

I won't lynch jjh today period.

I would however lynch jjh tomorrow regardless of what Alchemist flips if you lynch Alchemist with me today.

Like, regardless of what he flips. Town, scum, 3p. Doesn't matter, I'd lynch jjh tomorrow.

Vice-versa is NOT negotiable because Pink Ball's roleblock is more fucking valuable if scum don't have Alchemist at their disposal...which they will unless we lynch him today.

I’m lynching JJH.

You are pushing the narrative Alch is scum with momentum from Pink Ball’s roleblock, but you pushed Alch as strongman, meaning he could have gone through.

This implies another way of the kill not going through, I.E., JJH being recruited into the team.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:40 pm

In post 4884, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 4883, Flavor Leaf wrote:Mastina’s either going to take Elsa to end game, or turn on her and lynch her.
We'd never turn on each other!

... Right Lord Mastina?

Another implication of them not actually being masons.

You’re being manipulated hard, Elsa.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:40 pm

I’ve never once cried wolf. I scream bear, and then I wrestle that bear, befriend it, then we hit the town and party hardy.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:41 pm

He’s tripped town tells that you set up p to save him, not by his own volition.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:42 pm

In post 4891, mastina wrote:
In post 4745, Emperor flippyNips wrote:@mastina. Well he’s not been obvi town to me.
Have you played with jjh?
Seen both his towngame and his scumgame and the stark contrast between them?
I have and that's
why
jjh is obvtown to me.

Can you say the same?

Your meta cases were wrong and fabricated.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:43 pm

It’s not. I HAVE A TRAITOR RESULT.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:44 pm

She was also wrong on Titus, and had Panzer really low on her list yet somehow forgot about Panzer.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:46 pm

In post 4897, mastina wrote:
In post 4762, Flavor Leaf wrote:Elsa, you were there at the end of Day 3. He should have died there, but he didn't because he is scum.
I called him out Day 3 too.
And yet if he were a scum traitor then the scumteam wouldn't know he was a traitor and thus this logic falls apart, soooooooooooooo.

They didn’t know until end of Day 3. That’s why he didn’t end up getting killed.

You probably were able to sniff him out, so I was probably wrong about that.

This is Mastina pulling a classic “player is right for wrong reasons, so i can defend” ploy.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:46 pm

In post 4902, mastina wrote:
In post 4784, Flavor Leaf wrote:In the 2010s Anime UPick game, I was on the right track to catching scum before Mastina came in and derailed me there too.
Were you now?

Certainly didn't look that way to me!

I was. I even had you as incorrect town there.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:47 pm

Yet you were pushing scumMe. You were wrong.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:47 pm

Seems to be a pattern lately for you.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:47 pm

In post 4905, mastina wrote:
In post 4786, Flavor Leaf wrote:If I was fake guiltying him as town, I'd have retracted by now.
You've also apparently decided to stick to a 3p claim tho.

Another grasping at straws discredit attempt.

This is classic hatcheting.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:53 pm

In post 4909, mastina wrote:
In post 4792, Flavor Leaf wrote:I mean, he could have abused it against you.
So you're saying.
jjh, as a scum traitor, on D1.

Went out of his way.

To specifically abuse his meta.

So that I, of all people, would townread him?

Yeah much as I'd love to have that sort of ego-stroking.

jjh doesn't value me that much; I'm not that fucking important.

No.

This is his towngame.

Oh wait...

He did that so you would night kill him.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:54 pm

It must bother you that I one up you nearly every time we play together.

Quit underestimating me, Mastina. It’s not gonna turn out well for you when you do.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:58 pm

Jjh does the same thing.

It just makes you much too focused on me throughout the game.

Paranoia from me when you’re scum is not a fun feeling, i get it

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:06 pm

In post 4915, mastina wrote:
In post 4812, Shiro wrote:I would argue that being guiltied count as when deemed necessary
jjh raised a perfectly valid point--he was going to show us more activity regardless but then SOMEONE decided to fucking QUICKLYNCH BEFORE HE COULD, and then posted an IMMEDIATE guilty thus disallowing content viewed without that context.

Did he say that in the scum thread?

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:07 pm

Shiro, we’re just arguing with scum. It’s like talking to a wall.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:13 pm

Honestly, even if I didn’t have a guilty on him, if all you had was meta, i wouldn’t bite.

Meta is complimentary.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:13 pm

Flippynips called you out for it not actually being similar to the game

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:17 pm

I literally have a result that says he is a Traitor.

You’re talking like you’re trying to convince me that my result is incorrect.

That is you being scum and defending your buddy.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:23 pm

He can be in his town meta: he’s still scum.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:23 pm

You are just plain wrong.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:29 pm

Technically he’s been here since the beginning with the hydra, right? Then replaced by Creature, now Clemency, they just swpapped

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:31 pm

In post 4935, mastina wrote:
In post 4857, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 26, mastina wrote:
In post 25, jjh927 wrote:Hey so I'm actually pretty hyped for this game
So am I!
My hype looks to be a different alignment than yours tho.
VOTE: jjh
Mastina also votes JJH here after a hype comment, which if JJH hates being scum, this doesn’t make sense from a meta perspective on Mastina and is like SvS.
Problem with that, which proves you're fucking fakeclaiming.
If jjh were a traitor as you're saying.
Then at that point in the game, literally THE FIRST FUCKING PAGE OF THE GAME.
Scum wouldn't know jjh is a traitor.

You literally just proved you're fakeclaiming here with this narrative.

You’re right. You wouldn’t know he was a traitor there yet.

That’s on me.

He’s still a traitor, though. That string of reasoning is just incorrect.

You jumped immediately like everything is null, when it’s just that.

He’s still scum, and you’re still his buddy likely. Maybe you unvoted when you realized it was him.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:39 pm

You’re still on that.

I said I was incorrect on that.

Move past it.

He’s still scum.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:40 pm

In post 4939, Pink Ball wrote:Ok nope, I'll follow my hear

VOTE: Alchemist21

Sorry FL but Alch voting me and xtoxm voting jjh are both compelling evidence on why I should vote Alch and not jjh

Okay, get manipulated by Mastina and don’t follow a legit guilty.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:40 pm

I have a guilty on JJH. He’s the lynch for the day, no exceptions.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:42 pm

Alchemist is literally impossible to lynch today, PB. We have a 5 strong on JJH. None of us are moving.

Honestly, it’s probably all town on JJH right now.

If Elsa is scum with Mastina and not being manipulated, he’s probably worried right now.

Scratch that. Even if Elsa is town being manipulated, you know he’s doubting her

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:43 pm

In post 4950, mastina wrote:
In post 4876, Flavor Leaf wrote:Mastina’s now grasping at straws to continue attempting to hatchet me. She’s essentially repeating herself, which is hypocritical considering she used that and jjh’s similar post to try and discredit me.
I'm bringing up new points/angles each time.

You're not.

I don’t need to.

I have a guilty on him. Literally everything he has done this game is scum indicative even if it’s super townie

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:46 pm

In post 4954, Pink Ball wrote:xtoxm is not town

Okay, then he’s the one who’s bussing.

Jjh is confirmed scum, and I’m not moving.

You physically can’t get him lynched today.

The 5 on the wagon are glued there. The only way you get Alchemist lynched is if he self votes, and that’s with every single player already there.

Flippynips already said he’d vote JJH later.

You’re not getting him. Itdoesnt matter if that’s the wagon you want, he’s not getting lynched.

I’ll lynch him with you tomorrow. I’ll even case him.

It’s jjh today.

Mastina goes soon too.

I honestly don’t see how you can see a JJH/Mastina/xtoxm team, but eh, i guess it’s possible.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:47 pm

In post 4954, Pink Ball wrote:xtoxm is not town

Jjh isn’t either. I have 100% confirmation that he isn’t.

How much confirmation do you have on xtoxm?

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:53 pm

In post 4959, Pink Ball wrote:Let's see how the day goes, there's plenty of time for people to change their minds and vote Alch with me. Or plenty of time for me to change my vote when needed. But Alch is my priority 'cause lynching scum!him makes me basically conftown and with my powers I can carry town

The thing is, it’s xtoxm, Shiro, cafe, and panzer along with me.

Which of them are going to change their minds?

Panzer and I have been seeing eye to eye for a few days now.

Shiro and I mind melded today. Cafe has been wanting Jjh dead for days.

So literally the only possible change is Xtoxm.

You need Xtoxm to change to lynch Alchemist, and that’s for literally everyone else to vote there as well.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:54 pm

In post 4960, mastina wrote:
In post 4892, Flavor Leaf wrote:Your meta cases were wrong and fabricated.
My meta case may have been exaggerated because I linked to games I hadn't read (games I've read > games I haven't read for meta and the only reading I did for most of those games was jjh's iso), but was no outright fabrication and certainly not wrong.

Fine, your meta case could be right, your read on him is wrong.

End of story.

You’re wrong.

You are wrong.

You are 100% wrong.

Jjh is confirmed scum. He will flip traitor, i will be confirmed as being correct, and you will be confirmed as being incorrect.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:55 pm

You are arguing literally a pointless fight, and I know you’re fucking scum, but damn.

This is super irritating.

This is like when I was getting pushed as scum who killed my own scum teammate for a night kill and people were actually considering it.

It’s pretty black and white here. Jjh is lock scum. Mastina is hatcheting constantly to save their scum buddy.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:55 pm

Oh look, more hatcheting.

Pink Ball, are you just scum? Because this play makes a lot more sense if you’re just scum and posturing.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:56 pm

In post 4965, mastina wrote:Titus I changed to be a townread post-vigclaim

Oh, so that’s why you killed there. You said you wouldn’t kill there.

I forgot she was a Vig, so I probably would have killed there actually too

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:57 pm

The longer this goes the more obvious scumJjh/Mastina pairing becomes.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:10 pm

None of that matters.

He is scum mechanically. He is a confirmed traitor

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:10 pm

Jjh is traitor confirmed

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:10 pm

Jjh is traitor confirmed

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:10 pm

Jjh is traitor confirmed

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:11 pm

In post 4980, mastina wrote:
In post 4966, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh look, more hatcheting.

Pink Ball, are you just scum? Because this play makes a lot more sense if you’re just scum and posturing.
Okay so now to legitimately repeat myself.

Everyone defending jjh can't be scum.
Fuck, everyone minus one person defending jjh can't be scum.
There must be, as a prerequisite, multiple town players defending jjh.

Maybe that says something about the validity of your claim?

Jjh is traitor confirmed.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:11 pm

How’s that for repeating

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:11 pm

Jjh is guiltied

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:12 pm

Jjh is confirmed traitor

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:12 pm

Zero reason to go off of him today

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:13 pm

Mastina isn’t hard defending her buddy for multiple mislynches chain. Alchemist, probably cafe. Pink ball sets up xtoxm if pink ball is scum, then can put Elsa.

Boom end game.

Could even try to turn on me somewhere in there.

Jjh is guiltied scum

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:13 pm

Disagree.

My wagon is the worst wagon composition I’ve ever seen.

Manipulated town, confirmed cum, and whatever Tet is.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:14 pm

And now Mastina opens up more mislynch chains with that wagon.

Jjh is confirmed scum.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:14 pm

Mastina is manipulating pink ball, unless PB is scum, and Elsa jay

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:15 pm

Elsa, you need to out her as not your mason. She is hardcore manipulating you.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:15 pm

Jjh is confirmed scum

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:15 pm

Jjh is confirmed scum

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:17 pm

Clemency and Flippynips won’t vote Alchemist.

They my boys.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:24 pm

Let’s all vote JJH. He’s confirmed scum, guys. I would really appreciate it if everyone out there would take a look into Mastina/JJH, and come from the mindset that JJH is confirmed scum, because he is, but I understand the hesitance. Now hear this out, I am not fake guiltying him as ScumStina is pointing out. That is a defense tactic being made by Mastina to setup multiple mislynches, and in theory, eventually mislynch me, maybe JJH will push that through. Jjh doesn’t immediately get lynched after a i flip.

Nope, Alchemist starts getting ran up because of a no kill, however, I feel JJH was the shot last night, it’s just much better to go after the confirmed scum than the possible scum, because we have to deal with the potential night kills.

Now please help me lynch JJH. He will flip scum, and then we can act accordingly after he flips.

Alchemist could be scum, but I have reason to believe he is town based on someone else’s role, but if I’m wrong he could be scum, yeah.

But based on him being the counterwagon to confirmed JJH scum, i believe him to not be scum. Does this make sense?

Furrett, please don’t vote Alchemist here. Please come onto JJh, and we can all talk about Alchemist after the knowledge of JJH being a flipped traitor.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:26 pm

Furrett, Clemency, flippyNips, and Pink Ball, you guys are the ones I’m talking to.

I have a Traitor result on Jjh. Please do not let scum manipulate and wiggle their way out of this.

I need 3 of your votes. I guess 2, because in theory, Alchemist votes Jjh for preservation or scum bussing either way.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:32 pm

You scratch my back, i scratch yours, Ey? Let’s catch a scum together.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:33 pm

We’re Day 5. This is the time I generally always start catching scum. @Worst - you know this. I do well the later the game goes on.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:42 pm

If Nero didn’t get banned for typing the alphabet one by one, I’m not going to for that.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:43 pm

Best way to get me to shut up is to hammer home Jjh.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:01 pm

In post 5009, Emperor flippyNips wrote:I mean. I’m down to kill alch too. But I’d rather kill the guilty first. Then FL if hes wrong. No exceptions. Then alch can go after that.
Or FL is just right and JJH is scum. Then Alch can die tomorrow

That’s fine. I’m totally okay killing Alch eventually.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:02 pm

In post 5010, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 4982, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jjh is traitor confirmed

In post 4983, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jjh is traitor confirmed

In post 4984, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jjh is traitor confirmed

In post 4988, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jjh is confirmed traitor

In post 4996, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jjh is confirmed scum

In post 4997, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jjh is confirmed scum
The more you do this the less I follow you ever, even if JJ flips what you say.

God that's just... Horrid. Not even in a meme way like I did once with repeating a message 3 times. Just very annoying.

I mean, i really don’t care what you do at this point. You’re hard manipulated

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:02 pm

In post 5008, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Nah. I like the sun.

It’s just going to be more of the same is all.

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:03 pm

We need 2 votes for Jjh.

Flips, you should hammer test Alchemist

Flavor Leaf · Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:49 pm

No worries. Take your time, I’m not worried about your alignment.

Flavor Leaf · Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:00 am

In post 5026, Xtoxm wrote:well fuck you boon
you dont get to kick me in the face and say im bussing and still have me help you
mastina is actually less nauseating than you rn
VOTE: unvote

reading backwards for catchup.

Don't worry, I was only saying that to AtE Pink Ball back. You been my #1.

Flavor Leaf · Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:33 am

In post 5047, Furret und Woopers wrote:UNVOTE:
gonna revote jjh but one quick sec I wanna play the game a bit

@Pink Ball, Tet, FL, Shiro how does this list look
{Tet, Pink Ball}
{FL, Shiro, Panzer}
{Cafe}
{xtoxm}
{Clemency, mastina, Flippy Nips}
{Elsa}
{jjh, Alch}

pedit: You're not a mason

put Mastina same level as Elsa, I have less faith in PB than you do, and more in Xtoxm, and that's a good spot for flips. He hasn't pinged me as scum at all, though, but I haven't been posting the same times he has been, so yeah, that's pretty similar to where I'm at.

Flavor Leaf · Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:38 am

you guys made the right choice.

Flavor Leaf · Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:38 am

because I'm a lyncher.

Flavor Leaf · Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:56 am

nah, I'm kidding. He's a damn traitor.

Flavor Leaf · Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:03 am

good try, though. For a minute, I didn't think it was going to go through.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:32 am

In post 5086, Auro wrote:I only read half of D5.
Down to sheep PB/FL.

VOTE: Alchemist21

Hold the phone.

I have something to say

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:33 am

I really love the s....

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:36 am

Skillful way...

You beat the other girls to the bride’s bouquet!

I can finally damn reveal the informed part of my role. Had I done that prior to a Shounen flip, I would have Tree Stumped.

I am informed that there is the existence of an Ascetic Strongman.

I poked at wondering if Elsa was Ascetic Night 1 for that reason.

Mastina yesterday brought up Strongman, meaning I feel that was a TMI read, and if you tell, I push her as scum a bit harder towards the end of the day.

I also brought up being a Day shounen cop acting like it was for flavor.

Other than that, im essentially just a Disloyal Role Cop, limited, and now that a Shounen flipped, I don’t have that power.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:38 am

VOTE: Mastina

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:55 am

I feel like that would have been claimed by now.

I think that implies he was recruited.

Either way, the Ascetic strongman info is why I never really believed Pink Ball actually got a roleblock protection.

It could be limited, but yeah. I’m pretty sure JJH was just recruited, and night 1 i could see PB getting shot.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 am

I do think Pink Ball is super townie due to the roleblock claim, but I don’t think it has any effect on the game due to Ascetic Strongman.

Also, why was Alch chosen to die over JJH from them unless they were spewing and scum theatre’ing it up to potentially allow Alch to deepwolf, but that doesn’t really make too much sense either.

There’s likely a 4th, maybe 5th? Nah, i don’t necessarily think 5 scum that they’re relying on.

Might be another 3rd party and 4 scum.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:18 am

However, the traitor crumbs I picked up Day 3 also can lead towards ScumAlch.

And I don’t understand Alch’s Pink Ball push, which is very similar to how he made a claim in Musicals.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:31 am

In post 151, mastina wrote:
In post 146, Flavor Leaf wrote:Just claim straight up like I did.
Tempting, but far less fun.
Here's a hint tho:

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:03 pm

In post 5125, Pink Ball wrote:Alch is still scum, FL. mastina could be too, I agree, but Alch is scum too. Also I want him dead so I can be a living IC, a fucking pain in the ass for the scumteam trying to discover if I'm Levitating or Licking every night.

VOTE: Alchemist21

You’re already a living IC, pink ball.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:04 pm

@Xtoxm - Well, the Ascetic Strongman, like Mastina said could be limited in someway, like maybe not accessible every night.

I have no proof that Elsa is Ascetic, i just didn’t get a result there night 1, which is actually more town indicative because she didn’t say anything Ascetic related.

I’m Disloyal, so a no result is almost a town clear, but we can’t 100% trust those, if that makes sense.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:09 pm

In post 5125, Pink Ball wrote:Alch is still scum, FL. mastina could be too, I agree, but Alch is scum too. Also I want him dead so I can be a living IC, a fucking pain in the ass for the scumteam trying to discover if I'm Levitating or Licking every night.

VOTE: Alchemist21

This isn’t actually true either.

They have an Ascetic/Strongman.

You’re essentially useless against them, and I feel you’re more for disrupting town at this point, so it benefits them keeping you alive other than the fact you likely won’t ever be pushed.

However, if Alchemist is town, you’re going to be hard warlocked, and could essentially lose your living IC status and be taken down.

The Furret kill actually chops down your defenses too.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:15 pm

In post 5135, Pink Ball wrote:??????? Furret was confirmed town, what does that suppose to relate to me.

Why the fuck do you have to do this, join me with Alch today, that's what we were supposed to do. We got jjh, now you don't have anything other that speculations, just like me.

Yeah, but so is Tet, and so are you.

Now I’m actually do analytical work.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:16 pm

In post 5131, Cafe Stile wrote:Fyi the flavour cop is probably very useful but for reasons i cant say outside of a neighborhood

Are you in a neighborhood with Mastina and Elsa?

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:20 pm

In post 5139, Cafe Stile wrote:
In post 5133, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Xtoxm - Well, the Ascetic Strongman, like Mastina said could be limited in someway, like maybe not accessible every night.

I have no proof that Elsa is Ascetic, i just didn’t get a result there night 1, which is actually more town indicative because she didn’t say anything Ascetic related.

I’m Disloyal, so a no result is almost a town clear, but we can’t 100% trust those, if that makes sense.
If we're going down the road of your Mastina having Ascetic Strongman TMI theory then there just has to be an ascetic strongman in the mafia team, doesnt have to be her or elsa

like, what if its just alch

p edit: no. i mean its pro scum to say it publically

It’s confirmed not Alch as I believe he’s been outed as having been targeted.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:21 pm

In post 5138, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 5136, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 5135, Pink Ball wrote:??????? Furret was confirmed town, what does that suppose to relate to me.

Why the fuck do you have to do this, join me with Alch today, that's what we were supposed to do. We got jjh, now you don't have anything other that speculations, just like me.
Yeah, but so is Tet, and so are you.

Now I’m actually do analytical work.
I'm not confirmed town, I am not cop cleared as Ali and Tet, and deciding between Tet and Ali is like throwing a coin I think? So fuck off and vote Alch, now.

It’s Day 6. It’s never a coin flip. It was probably a coin flip deciding if they should kill me or a conf town, tbh, but that’s as random as it probably gets.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:23 pm

Alchemist claimed to get a Demon Bullet the night Panzer kept asking if I got something, and that was the one night I had a double action, one of which, I targeted Alch. Implying Panzer gave Alch a Demon Bullet.

Do some analytical work, please, so I don’t have to out PR’s.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:30 pm

@Auro - I just need a yes or no.

Do you have a clear on flippyNips?

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:31 pm

Not really. She’s scum abusing you.

Makes sense.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:18 pm

Day 5, and if you’re town, you’re manipulated hard, especially considering she’s the one who decided to fake masons.

Case is there

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:20 pm

Damn, if they’re lovers, down to lynch them hard tbh

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:21 pm

Yeah, we kill Mastina which will kill Elsa. If either of them are lying, it comes out that way.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:17 pm

Okay. Then I can see Flippy being potentially Shounen.

I thought Creature was softing a clear.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:18 pm

Either that or Flippy is Panzer’s Target.

#oops

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:18 pm

I guess Mastina could be as well, but likely one of those, if I’m correct in my analysis.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:19 pm

The 0000’s will forever be known as the 0000’s scum claim.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:19 pm

The wall of 0000’s claim

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:01 pm

In post 5175, Auro wrote:Hey Flavor can you give me a tl;dr of the targets, etc that led to your analysis? Too lazy to read the whole game.

I targeted JJH with a role cop, got traitor, that’s how yesterday went

Uh...shiro’s got flavor stuff

Cafe’s got cat stuff.

Panzer’s got demon bullets

Honestly, i can’t remember everything.

Mastina and Elsa claimed masons Day 1, through Mastina pushing for it, apparently, they aren’t masons, that’s like confirmed.

Uhm.

Yeah. There’s actually a lot less than I thought

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:12 pm

In post 5179, Tet wrote:That makes ascetic strongman one of xtoxm flippy or Elsa no?

Essentially. Unless someone’s lying about claims.

I imagine their are fake claims for mafia

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:23 pm

Either y’all are dead from an arsonist or he’s 3rd party looking for someone.

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:24 pm

To be fair, I have seen an arsonist like Role before on the scum team, but Panzer’s town or 3rd party

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:43 pm

Unless he picked kid krillin

Flavor Leaf · Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:04 pm

Oh yeah, I’m lynching them half for the memes now half because one of them are for sure scum, and the third half, yeah, i came up with one late because I feel it’s just funny that Elsa’s probably dying as town because of scum mastina

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:16 am

K, yeah, Alch's scum.

VOTE: Alchemist

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:21 am

In post 4188, Creature wrote:Yeah, you're right

VOTE: jjh

In post 4189, Cafe Stile wrote:VOTE: jjh

In post 4194, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: JJH

In post 4195, Alchemist21 wrote:VOTE: Jjh

In post 4197, jjh927 wrote:the entire scumteam voted me consecutively

In post 4199, jjh927 wrote:I think one of them was even a traitor

cheeky flipped town, so that was likely a trap, but I feel multiple scum are in this chain.

Alchemist is just scum now that Mastina flipped town, and JJH was distancing with his partner.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:23 am

In post 4195, Alchemist21 wrote:VOTE: Jjh

I thought Creature softed a clear on flippyNips, but Auro took that back, either to keep open a mislynch, or he just doesn't have a clear, probably the ladder.

Cafe has some town cred due to pushing JJH for so long, but I like to think scum didn't know JJH was their traitor until the end of Day 3, then they recruited him.

Pink Ball doesn't ever seem like scum here.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:33 am

In post 5243, Elsa Jay wrote:Did you all REALLY have to murder Mastina? Now I'm sad.

you guys should have claimed neighbors when I asked if you guys were neighbors and not masons.

I felt like you guys were hardcore holding something back, and thought their was manipulation of some sort going on, and mastina's defense of jjh and herself gave scum the easy mislynch. Scum's definitely on that wagon, but I'll get to that after Alchemist.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:47 am

In post 5252, Pink Ball wrote:Just wanted to say, even if I still want Alch lynched (it's about time for fucks sake), I roleblocked him yesterday so he's not the one doing the kills.

We already knew this because there's an Ascetic Strongman.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:49 am

In post 5254, Elsa Jay wrote:But that wouldn't explain the No-Kills on n1 and n4 then?

Night 4 JJH likely got recruited.

Night 1 I don't really have a clue, but Pink Ball said he was BP that night, so occam's razor he was just the night kill.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:51 am

there's max 5 kills in a single night dead, right?

Scum kill one.
tttt kill one.
titus kill one.

what other possibilities were out there?

I'm assuming one from Panzer, and I guess a vice versa thing, but then why hasn't that happened yet.

The max 5 kills thing actually likely means we aren't dealing with an Arsonist.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:54 am

In post 5257, Xtoxm wrote:maybe didnt have enough power n1, and jjh recruited n4
jjh seems like a weird kill but its a possible answer

I think he was killed for the sake of recruiting him, not for killing him.

they're probably a gated Ascetic Strongman, probably have to level up.

Maybe they started with nothing, then gains both the ascetic and strongman over the first few days.

I don't think Strongman overrides traitor to just kill them? Traitor is just recruited if they are killed by scum, no?

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:03 am

hmm.

I feel like scum definitely knew that JJH was the traitor when killing, so they tried to recruit.

Maybe Alchemist was trying to setup some kind of gambit with his Senzu bean thing.

Alch is also claimed Shonen, so that ties there, but I'm also from a Shounen show, so I didn't immediately assume that was scummy.

I don't feel like scum necessarily claim Shonen, though, which is the only thing that is a bit off to me.

Tet seemed to want to setup a push on me, but his conf townieness is off.

Is a godfather possible?

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:04 am

I don't want to deal with Tet, though. If he's scum, that's going to be annoying. Occam's razor, he's just conf town.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:05 am

JJH was also shonen who was claiming to be not a shonen character.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:24 am

In post 5266, Tet wrote:
In post 5262, Flavor Leaf wrote:Tet seemed to want to setup a push on me, but his conf townieness is off.

Is a godfather possible?
Cheeky checked flavor and then alignment so.

Well, yeah, I got that. I think I know your role too, if town, but I won't out that.

Godfather would make you come across as town to Cheeky.

Godfather used to be Normal once upon a time...GF wifom sucks.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:25 am

If Tet is scum, he deserves a good win, so I'm not gonna focus on the godfather for my own sanity.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:26 am

In post 5267, Tet wrote:Are we assuming 3v7? Fine with flipping Alch today, Auro tomorrow.

I think we're 5v3v2, but if I'm wrong on more 3rd parties, then yeah, probably 7v3.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:33 am

if 3p are a thing, we could be at 6-2-2 even.

If you're a Third Party Survivor type, I think you just claim now. If you're being hunted out, I guess don't claim, but yeah.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:33 am

In post 5273, Tet wrote:Panzer what are the bullets for.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:34 am

If there is a Hunter type 3rd party looking for someone, I say just claim now too.

Don't claim that you aren't the survivor, even if you are the survivor, because that's just not cool. Let them play their own game.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:10 pm

In post 5299, Tet wrote:Also why are we assuming the N1 was a traitor recruit when jjh flipped traitor?

I’m thinking that it’s N4 recruitment, not night 1.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:11 pm

In post 5277, Xtoxm wrote:ok sure. don't fuck me over here boon.

i account for one of the 5 max kill per night thing.
i had a win condition based around predicting 3 night kills across the first 4 nights, and if successful i would have exited the game victorious at the start of d5.
i predicted cheeky but not titus.
due to the lack of kills, it was literally impossible for me to activate this win condition.
since i failed to activate this win condition, i now have to survive to win.
i'm gradually accepting that's very unlikely i can fulfill this.
im 3p.

Cool.

That means one more thing that could take someone out of the game.

It’s Panzer or Flippy.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:12 pm

Damn, xtoxm.

Going for 2 3rd party victories in the same year.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:39 pm

All but flippy

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:52 pm

I don’t think Xtoxm’s necessarily tricking us, but I don’t think it’s out of his scum range.

Him coming out as 3rd party after I was trying to get them to come out lines up with the play.

He is a survivor, so that’s exactly what I asked for.

I believe him

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:53 pm

In post 5316, Xtoxm wrote:we dont have claims from auro or tet? did i miss that somewhere

I forgot about Auro.

I’m pretty sure I know Tet’s, but best to let him claim.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:53 pm

We don’t need to claim here, though.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:03 pm

To be fair, in that scenario, it benefits Survivor to side with scum because it ends the game, but Survivor doesn’t really know who scum is either, so it kinda works?

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:42 pm

We’re going Alch today.

Flavor Leaf · Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:30 pm

What could she have said, tbh

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:21 am

In post 5424, Auro wrote:Elsa if he was faking a guilty just to get a lynch, why would he fake one on you, instead of a slot that's harder to lynch for scum?

You ask this question, ignore me catching Jjh, then put me at null. Aight.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:23 am

I still think Panzer is town.

Alch/Elsa, then flippynips/Auro for the last?

I was thinking Elsa was just town being manipulated by Mastina.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:24 am

Also how is PB null, Auro?

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:24 am

I guess FlippyNips actively didn’t go onto the Jjh wagon. That could have been posturing.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:29 am

I guess that fits considering you’re a claimed JK/protective and they’re BP/Roleblocker.

I just don’t see PB as scum unless Alch is town, and I have a hard time seeing that, especially after how Jjh acted.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:29 am

But would Flippy be bussing here?

Panzer, why is Flippy scum?

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:34 am

I’m not sure what to think, tbh.

I feel Alchemist has been escaping lynches left and right, and I know I’m the one who pushed JJH and Mastina, but JJH was pushing for Alchemist, so I feel maybe Alchemist is actually the Strongman?

Kid powered fists would fit him being from Dbz

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:36 am

Why did Shiro die?

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:40 am

Panzer basically turns into Disloyal fruit vendor then? which I’m Disloyal.

I swear Panzer was 3rd party this entire game, but he wasn’t hurting us so i thought he had a wincon like xtoxm or hunting for someone.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:43 am

Tttt scum kill
Titus Vig kill
Mafia kill
Xtoxm leaving the game early. Does this count as one of the 5 kills?

Where’s the 5th death?

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:44 am

@Mod - would someone hypothetically leaving the game count for one of the 5 deaths during the night?

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:45 am

Think it’s possible that it’s Panzer, Elsa, and Alch...?

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:49 am

I’m gated disloyal.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:49 am

I wasn’t 1 shot.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:50 am

I’ve targeted Elsa and jjh with that ability.

Elsa night 1 no result.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:50 am

In post 5456, Auro wrote:Oh my bad. You were nerfed after a scum flip, right?

After JJH i was able to claim my informed stuff.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:53 am

No.

I could have been blocked.

I redirected to Alch night 1. I claimed that already.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:54 am

In post 5462, Flavor Leaf wrote:No.

I could have been blocked.

I redirected to Alch night 1. I claimed that already.

That actually means I couldn’t have been blocked if I’m the one that redirected, which is why i was reading Elsa as town during Day 4.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:56 am

In post 4220, jjh927 wrote:I think I'd actually go with Alch, Cafe, Panzer, Creature rn

There’s multiple scum in this list.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:57 am

In post 4224, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4220, jjh927 wrote:I think I'd actually go with Alch, Cafe, Panzer, Creature rn

Why Panzer, and where did the creature scum reads come from?

I even noticed something came off weird there too, I guess.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:01 am

In post 4226, Flavor Leaf wrote:I actually think Alch is conftown from something I saw earlier

In post 4252, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4250, Creature wrote:
In post 4247, Flavor Leaf wrote:I have a feeling Tet’s going to kill me, so.
Why?
Because he knows I know he’s 3rd party.

I targeted Elsa night 1 and got No result.

In post 4254, Flavor Leaf wrote:I trust Panzer this game.

I also think Alchemist is locktown for reasons, look into this if I die.

In post 4392, Flavor Leaf wrote:alch is just semi mechanically cleared from my perspective. I'm not 100% on that, but if I out another role, he's potentially cleared, so JJh is the correct path today.

We remember what you said here, though.

In post 4396, Flavor Leaf wrote:I also pass on stuff targeting me to a target, I've said that.

In post 4424, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 4331, Flavor Leaf wrote:and I can have actions pass through me.
For starters.

If Panzer/Alch are the team, they actively kept me alive.

Alch made sense to keep me alive by himself actually. I was pushing others before him, even if it was one of his buddies.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:02 am

In post 5466, Xtoxm wrote:Boon, I feel confident Aurora is town, due to only protective claim. You dont design a large role madness game like this without one. I've been waiting for it to claim.

Yeah, I’m not really paranoid of Auro really tbh. I’m just talking.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:04 am

In post 5469, Auro wrote:FL, so you redirected the bullet to Alch when you were targeted - right?
You mentioned you had a secondary condition for winning: would you leave the game if you successfully linked?

Mastina called me out as fake claiming town when she was protecting Jjh. I mean, she was right, but she was also wrong, if that makes sense.

That’s when i was claiming 3rd party so people would lynch my guilty.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:07 am

In post 5471, Auro wrote:
In post 5468, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m not really paranoid of Auro really tbh

I had a good back and forth with Creature end of Day 3, and while there are specific things that look scummy and i can’t rule it out 100%, my gut wants to say your slot is town, even before your claim. I flip flop on this read and I might go paranoid mode eventually due to my lack of paranoia, but there are scummier slots.

Alch/Elsa/Panzer/Flippy/Cafe probably contain all scum. If Tet’s a Godfather, whatever. This game was lost anyways.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:08 am

Meh. They’re 3 way bussing.

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:13 am

Did Mastina know your claim

Flavor Leaf · Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:14 am

In post 5477, Flavor Leaf wrote:Meh. They’re 3 way bussing.