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[Tchill13]

Like, Tchill is scumreading Datisi for based on her content, but he isn't actually

reading

her content.

Is that not a bit sus?

tchill has left the chat that is sanity.

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icons lying ass has 490 damn.

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Aaaaaah, hell Tchill, I had a feeling you were coming around to the possibility of scum!Klick at least partly due to my case? Or at least my pushing?

@icon where is my circus gif

scum klick is possible yes. because of you idk. i think its because im not confident in any SR's.

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Tchill i'm gonna make this really easy.

You say Datisi has scummy posts. I'm asking you to quote them for us to see what you think is scummy there.

Use ISO function. It's not a lot of work.

nope.

i voted gobble. you unvoted. You dont want us to lynch gobble atm.

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You don't want us to lynch gobble, but you want Datisi?

Do a little bit of effort instead of 'OMFG DIS IS SCUM YOU ALL SUCKKKK IF YOU DON'T SEE IT YOU BLIND BASTARDS'

yall arent blind silly.

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i will literally vote anyone that will achieve a lynch.

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fuck trying to actually play this game and get a flip ID LIKE TO HAVE. Im done trying to do that.

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fuck trying to actually play this game and get a flip ID LIKE TO HAVE. Im done trying to do that.

You haven't actually been playing the game tho.

Your game isn't a lot more then:

-This is scum. Fuck you all i'm not saying why. But it's scum.
-Nobody agrees with me? Fuck me and this playerbase.

the last 10 pages yeah.

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UNVOTE:

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sucks doesnt it.

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VOTE: gobble

how old are you icon?

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I'm 8.

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Okay, so what's the plan for tomorrow after a Red or Green flip?

I'm checking out. I've been too toxic. Will keep post short and sweet until the end of the game. Being called egotistical set me off after the game was already pretty frustrating. I hope scum kill me. 1st game back in a year... What a way to get back into it.

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VOTE: datisi

Fuck yall.

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I'm an even night tracker. Not telling who my target will be. Do not try and control me.

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If datisi is green klick is conf scum.

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Luca you claimed vt didn't you? Want to double down on that?

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Shit not Luca. LUV.

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???

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Not me.

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What kind of question is that in the context of my opening post?

I asked luv if he wants to double down on his VT claim and you ask if I'd like to lynch gobble???

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He's lock town to me because of his claim and due to the fact that scum would be able to go about that much, much better given his scenario.

What does datisi flipping green change for you Luca?

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You're wanting to lynch this guy for his terrible claim... A claim that he wouldn't have had to make if he were scum... I don't understand.

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And my last post was "klick is conf scum if datisi flips town" so...

As soon as I hear back from LUV I will tell you exactly what I believe is going on.

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@luca.

Do you know that I claimed even night tracker?

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Luca at least keeps doing what makes me think he's town.

He proposed a flippy/tchill team d1 because PoE has both of us in his scum pushes. He then used pre conf bias to talk himself into this "team" that backed his flippy scum push.

Luca now thinks gobble's claim is brilliant but Luca is too good to be fooled by it.

Please, I understand you've broken this down before, maybe, but if his claim is so brilliant... Why is his claim at the forefront of anyone's scum case on him?

Me and klick both have defended A50 I believe. Are we does that have a lot to do with why we're possibly scum in your eyes?

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I'll give my thoughts on the team after luv answers whether or not he's a VT. I'm not gonna assume anything after that night phase.

Please don't lay down any votes.

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Gobble why is the scum team so obviously klick/LUV and why am I, and Luca, town.

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Can't wait to hear klick and luv's breakdowns.

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Luca continually shows thought progression that I've seen come from town over and over imo.

My only fear is being pocketed by A50 or klick. Those are the 2 players I was worried the most about end D2.

I think klick has played a really good scum game. He had me fooled quite a bit. He defended BOTH inactive slots which is key. He had me absolutely fooled for a majority of the game. His last post D2 let's me know he was going to transition to pushing me in lylo and this is super important what I'm about to say.

He had to. Klick HAS to push me here. I have continually stated when I'm not being toxic and when I'm being honest Luca has always been town to me.

This game for klick was gonna come down to pushing a Luca/a50 team or a tchill/a50 team.

Luca has shown over and over that it'd be much easier to get him to vote me than it'd be to get me to vote Luca.

When I asked klick to participate in my hypothetical test he outright refused. He did not want to commit to one side yet. He obviously thought that was too early.

Had I shown a willingness to scum read Luca I do believe klick would be pushing a Luca/a50 team.

Of course... He hasn't posted yet. He may push something completely different, but this is my idea of where the game is at.

We have an even night tracker, a n3 BG and a loyal mailman. Considering the n3 BG may not even get to use his action I think that's an understandable setup. (unless someone has lied about their vt claim)

Luca has also repeatedly shown he's not ever going to sr LUV.

So his combination of town locking LUV and Scum pushing me makes perfect sense why klick makes that last post in lylo, setting himself up to push tchill as scum when he's hard Tr'd me the whole game.

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Let's play the hypothetical that A50 IS scum. I can see why I'd be considered the partner. I get that. I've defended the guy the whole game.

But I have the knowledge I'm not the partner. So from the hypothetical scenario that we all had knowledge gobble was scum and tchill wasn't his partner...

Luca isn't gonna be his teammate. Pushed him the whole damn game.

So it's either klick or LUV. If the 2 inactive players just so happened to be scum together... Then wow. Way to go scum team so impressed.

But I doubt that happens. So it'd have to be klick/gobble.

If that's the team I'll be very, very surprised.

Not a Luca/LUV team could be in play. Klick seems like he'd be this lvl headed as town and defend both slots. I could see that. It's the least likely possibility but I could see it.

Either way. Luv has the chance to be on the most teams here. Luv vote makes the most sense frome me.

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@luca. (this isn't bragging. I'm trying to connect a bridge here)

I have hard town read you the entire time that I've played with a lvl head.

I was correct about town flippy when I could have pushed him as scum because you were theorizing a tchill/flippy team. Push flippy as scum get you off my back. He flips town I have nothing to worry about. I kept my flippy TR until the end.

I flip flopped on icon, but once again, when I was thinking with a lvl head I hard Tr'd him every time.

I literally gave you the datisi lynch. I worked with you so datisi could be lynched. Yes I said I wanted anyone lynched but I obviously wanted luv lynched the most and I still helped you achieve your datisi lynch.

If you're scum gg. If you're town I don't see how you can ignore all the flip flopping I've done on reads. All the times I've been correct when posting my honest, gun to head thoughts, all the times I've tried to work with you. You're just ignoring all of it. You've pushed me as scum the entire game.

Gobble's claim is genuis and he's scum. I have been called out multiple times for not staying up on things (which I'm guilty of to an extent). I have town read you the entire game even with all the pushing. Hell, I even understand why you think an A50/tchill team makes sense here (a better case than the flippy/tchill team, because it's not purely PoE. I do wonder how much of it has to do with me defending A50, which is why I was scum with flippy, which you were wrong about I'M NOT BRAGGING I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO SEE THE PERSPECTIVE)

If you are town this game and still refuse to work with me... I don't know what I could have done.

Actually, I think it's clear there's nothing else I could have done.

Please consider LUV scum. Other than the Billy reaction test I'm not sure what is great evidence that he's town. You have no idea how many times I've seen town be wrong about a way they thought a certain alignment would react to a certain event. Every one plays the game different. Just because that's usually the case doesn't mean it always is.

At the end of the day from my perspective I was correct about flippy (which was mostly gut) I was correct about icon (which may not be something to even whiff at from you. You got me beat there. You tr is immediately but ih had to think on it) and I'm in lylo and Ik I'm 3/4 on "gun to head" read at the moment (flippy, icon, Datisi/ wrong about Ali)

Yes I voted datisi.

I clearly wanted luv gone. I DID NOT want to lynch A50 over datisi because I knew had A50 flipped town adgmd datisi was still in the game I'd be too shaky and give real consideration to datisi scum.

Yes I voted A50.

I literally lost my mind at PG 90. It's pretty obvious. I did fight with yall against an A50 lynch at first. Yall fos'd me. I voted to show a willingness to work with yall. I voted datisi to show a willingness to work with yall.

There's nothing else I can say.

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It's serious.

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Why wouldn't he just stay with vt there?

Why doesn't he claim some type of limited protective and then keep icon alive, scream wifom when someone else is the nk besides them two?

Why doesn't he claim a limited tracker or watcher who caught the scum kill or lied about icons action and claim icon and whoever received the note are the team?

He could also claim he tracked him to the kill when no one has a letter. Or when icon calls someone out and they don't have a letter.

There's so many better ways to play a claim long term as scum than n3 bodyguard.

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And I'm, saving my result for Luv's response on whether or not he's a VT. I think that's reasonable.

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Hell you can claim vt, claim, watcher or protective in lylo and then say you did those things also.

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N3 bodyguard locks him into a claim he can not use to manipulate the game at all at scum.

I don't see the genius in it.

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It's not uncommon for someone to claim vt as town at mass then claim something else on a later day phase. Imo A50 claiming vt doesn't implicate a later claim from gobble.

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DUDE I'M NOT SAYING HE CLAIMS DAY 2 THAT HE CAUGHT ICON ON THE KILL. HOW STUPID.

I'm saying he does that d3 in lylo...

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The obscurity forfeits manipulation of the game.

You think scum would prioritize obscurity over game manipulation in terms of a claim?

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It's not uncommon for someone to claim vt as town at mass then claim something else on a later day phase. Imo A50 claiming vt doesn't implicate a later claim from gobble.

But A50 was prepared to die while maintaining his VT claim.

You see that makes no sense?

Do you see how spiteful A50 was being. Yes we were being ugly to him. I believe a player in that situation can be spiteful enough and emotionally effectied enough to want to screw the players being ugly to him. Even if that means he probably loses the game. Gobble could have pushed this narrative. I am pushing this narrative. A separate player.

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I was being A JERK to him. Ik someone else was also. I'll iso it later.

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Also your pushing I absolutely disagree with my partners fake claim that I could have helped him with if we were scum together.

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I helped flippy to.

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And as scum you would have had more interest in keeping Flippy alive as he would always be an easy ML down the road.

We are on page 107 and you've finally brought up a great point on what Scum! Tchill would do.

That said. You've also proven that no matter what flip's alignment was, because you can't see the same perspective I seen when town reading flippy, that means I'm scum no matter flips alignment.

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I helped flippy to.

Which counts for nothing now given you wanted Datisi lynched instead.

Meaning you would have saved a VT to lynch a VT.

I also stated why this isn't 100 percent true. Luv was my first choice and I told you why I wanted datisi lynched over A50.

But I voted both. And "to work with you" is "because I'm scum" from your pov atm.

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Ugh... What a terrible reason. Seriously.

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I missed icons claim so I might be town?

How the hell does that make sense?

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You don't think I could have faked that as scum? You seen what I thought a fake claimed should do in gobble's situation. It's at least kind of elaborate. You just thought I was talking about gobble doing stuff with it on D2 instead of lylo. Obviously he would reap the rewards of the fake claim in lylo. Not D2. As it would be stupid like you explained.

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I'm literally fighting with you on the only reason you're town me atm.

I still think your reason is shit. It makes sense slightly but... It's not a good one to risk the game on.


I obviously can't change your mind, you refuse to let me even try and change it.

It's luv/klick.

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Anyway,

I think I provided good reason for a shit fake claim from scum regarding the bg3 if you realize that gobble uses the fake claim on d3, not D2.

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Why should you work with other ppl at all?

Do you consider this game a team effort or more of a solo effort? The game of mafiascum.

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Why even ask me if when I provide reasonable better explanations (with someone kicking and screaming they hate having to TR icon in the game) for you just throw them aside when I provide them?

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Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe... He being alive isn't because of good scum play....

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Why wouldn't I switch to a klick gobble scum team because of your long given stance on uzi?

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OK man. I'm hypocritical and nothing gets by you.

I see where we stand. Sorry for trying.

You just do your thing.

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Yes gobble maybe scum. If he is we lose.

Because at some point we're gonna have to to come to the conclusion that it's in klick/uzi/gobble

I will never be OK voting gobble there. The only other thing is settling on a klick lynch.

We could do that eventually. Maybe.

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So we're resting the game on A50 being spiteful enough to throw the game....great.

Why did you claim Tracker during twilight of D2? I'm having a hard time believing this claim as a result.

because i thought i'd get killed by scum and keep icon alive. That was the plan.

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So we're resting the game on A50 being spiteful enough to throw the game....great.

Why did you claim Tracker during twilight of D2? I'm having a hard time believing this claim as a result.

from your pov if its tchill/gobble

your'e resting the game on town having only 1 PR.

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Although I guess from your perspective it would have to be Klick/Uzi, so scratch the above.

this is correct.

look i've been toxic. I've been an asshole and i have no problem looking like a fool if gobble is scum. I'll wear it with pride.

I just cant see it being MORE LIKELY than klick/LUV.

mainly because of the lack of manipulation his claim provides.

also i laid out the groundwork for what scum klick does here. He never slightly SR'd me until twilight d2. said i was full of shit. 1st negative thing i even recall him saying about me.

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I am out of sync in this game (not the only one) and it feels best if you lynch me today because I won't be of much use in LyLo

My best bet is to go to random.org and let it decide where I should be voting, but not tell. When asked for reasoning I'd probably say "just because".

We lynch A50 today.

Scum probably kill in (klick/luca/me)

LUV/datisi will, still be in the game 100 percent. If not then scum are killing off a mislynch candidate in lylo, which they won't do.

And I'm pretty sure one of the vt's lied and is gonna claim something in lylo. Highly doubt all those vt claims are true.

If you are Town then I’ll be really disappointed. I can understand feeling out of sync in a game, but if you’re not even going to try then what’s the point? You’re just letting the rest of us down, as there is no way to really distinguish whether you scum who has given up or Town who is not bothered. There is so much info now and the game is there for the taking, and here you are saying ‘Lynch me as I’m out of sync’? I’m sorry but that is pathetic.

If you think anything I say or do will help you're far off base. Both Tchill & Icon have decided I should be lynched and there's no way to change that. ANYTHING I say or do will be seen as a scum move by me. Suppose I suddenly decided to effort. "That's scum him trying to get out of the nooze". Suppose I stayed the way I am. "That's scum him giving up". There is no way I'm getting out of this, and even if I somehow managed to escape the lynch today I am the designated lynch tomorrow. Too much trouble for no gain at all.

All you've done is complain that you don't know what's going on or complain that you can't do anything at this point.

And you went out of your way to call me someone that's mislynched early all the time and provided one game of evidence.

You decided to call someone out on that and then play like this in the same game?

All you've done is complain that you don't know what's going on or complain that you can't do anything at this point.

And you went out of your way to call me someone that's mislynched early all the time and provided one game of evidence.

You decided to call someone out on that and then play like this in the same game?

OK. fair enough. I sincerely apologize for defending you and I promise not to do that ever again.

All I ask. Players that don't play the game at all should replace out instead of defending others. Pretty reasonable request imo.

Something doesn't feel right.
I feel like A50's making life really unnecessarily difficult for himself if he's scum.

damn it.

i'll go back and iso.

look at shit. make sure im ok with this.

The team is undoubtedly in LUV/Klick/A50

Luca is my conftown this day phase.

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ignore that. i was trying to go back and messed up.

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Klick
Billy
Datisi
Tchill
Icon

Alisae
Luca
A50
Emperor

Top is town to the point that I'm not interested in lynching anytime soon. Bottom is what's left. Datisi in particular has looked townie in her interaction with Icon - her motives in that exchange clearly seemed to be sorting Icon over anything else in a way that seemed genuine.

Also, thanks Ali. I'll have my own look soon.

half of his scum list are confirmed town here. IMO they're all town.

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i'll agree to a klick lynch. dude is so scum. i just have to properly quote what im seeing. give me a bit.

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Icon, claim your result.

Why don't you have a result Icon?

VOTE: Iconeum
Really not buying that.

I propose a massclaim. If enough people agree to one, I'm fine to start.

And yes, 'why isn't Icon dead' is a very valid question.

ok full disclosure

town loyal mailman

i get to send a message to a player every night
town gets the message
scum doesn't

if i was NK'd (fully expecting to be), Ali would get a message with information
the message was worded in a way that is undoubtebly coming from me and he would be able to prove so in game

if ali is scum then it was a waste upon my NK

What motivation was there to fakeclaim Cop?

so klick proposes mass claim. Is wondering why Icon isn't dead. So from here I can see this as looking for the protective. Now there's another post i have to find.

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In order to assume Icon is town you have to have a scumteam that chooses to kill Alisae over a claimed Cop. The options for that are slim, methinks.

I propose Town directs Icon's N2 target.

I've been unexpectedly stuck at my in-laws for 8 days and am getting the weekend as a break before going back there for an even longer amount of time. This weekend should be good for my activity. Here in a bit ill give this game a solid half-hour.

Heres where my head is currently at:

TOWN
Klick
LUV, Tchill
--- do not lynch above this line ---
Datisi
A50, Luca


Icon
SCUM

Billy was blatantly obvious town.

The one thing giving me reservations about Icon being scum is that there are enough people who gave such little indication of Icon's claim yesterday that there might be a scumteam out there that just completely missed it.

I mean this is a game of mafia ffs. Lies are to be expected…

A game I recently played had a town player who faked a guilty on his scumread, then got CC'd by someone who cleared that 'guilty' the same night and he was on the speedwagon to Lynchville if it wasn't for me stopping that lynch and townreading the fakeclaim. We proceeded to lynch back to back scums and win the game.

It's all about perspective and how you deal with it.

This post should be taken as evidence that Icon would play like this for towncred as scum.

constant shade on icon here. still looking for one post in particular.

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also reads LUV slot hard town consistently.

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I'm VT.

Either we're in straight mountainous or Icon is town.

See, wasn't that fun?

absolout constant shade on icon even wanting to direct the night action up until the point the mass claim forced klick to hard TR icon just like everyone else had to.

b4 this the shade was CONSTANT. still looking for that special post.

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Thank you for responding, Datisi.

Okay, here's the problems I have with your reads. They all seem weak and forced. They all seem to be based on reasoning that can easily be thrown away upon my Green flip. From my pov, I can see scum!Klick giving out reads like these, TRing everyone other than the lynchbait in order to avoid associates. And once his sole SR flips Green, he can easily throw away any TR (other than Icon, who likely won't even live to see Day 3) he needs to and then not seem suspicious.

This seems far more complicated and unnecessary than just lynching A50 or LUV today. Particularly A50, whose wagon I started and whom I hadn't given any townread on up until I unvoted him. Unless your theory is that I'm scum with A50, but you seem to be more strongly implying Klick/Luca.
Like, scum!Klick would have been in a fine situation a few IRL days ago when we were all gearing up to lynch A50 or LUV.

"A50 wouldn't have replaced out if he was scum." Not buying that. I can buy the slot cc'ing itself being NAI (if A50 was realy that spiteful), but not as a Town thing. And you were literally the one to call out A50's play in 1772, 1773 and 1775. You don't get to call out his play as scummy and then later say that his play doesn't make sense from scum!A50.

That's a pretty strong oversimplification of my reasoning for A50 being town. The big thing is that A50 could have really easily given more content in the tight situation he was in, but instead he gave little. Because town!A50 read the game and gave what he saw, which wasn't much. Go read A50's ISO and tell me that's scum faking half-assed reads.
And yes, I think the replace-out was town. He was upset that we were trying to make him play the game. That's not a scum mindset when you no longer have stake in the game.

Billy's TR's main reasoning is that he didn't know about the daytalk, and that scum wouldn't replace out where he did. I've asked you if the fact Ali called out a LUV/Luca team makes you reconsider, you said a bit then dropped it. Again, I'm not buying replacements as an AI thing, and I believe scum!Billy would've been able to pass that Towntest. LUV hasn't done anything to be TR fmpov, and you said so when you agreed that most of the TR is Billy's play.

Alright, this one I'm going to challenge you on. I have a few problems here.

'Again, I'm not buying replacements as an AI thing.' This reads like you're dismissing it without thought simply because it's in the same vein as the A50 read.

Why

do you disagree with me?
You didn't believe scum!Billy could pass the towntest when it was happening. In fact, you were the other person pushing it to happen/saying he was town for it at the time. Why bother doing it in the first place if you're now going to completely dismiss it? Because the only answer I can think of is because it was convenient for you to let go of your previous townread on Billy.

LUV's play has been bad, and he had potential motive to kill Alisae. Neither of those things invalidate the reasons I townread Billy's play.

(FWIW, I've now basically come to terms with the fact that scum probably saw Alisae's post that looked like a protective crumb and that's why they killed her.)

Tchill didn't realize Icon claimed cop Day 1. This is such weak reasoning that can easily be thrown away by "oh guess he didn't see it in scum PT", especially if you start pushing A50 as his partner (since scum!A50 could've not even told him about that, because he's so spiteful).

'oh guess he didn't see it in scum PT' is a terrible rebuttal. That doesn't happen.

And what else is there to do than to get away from the situation TRing Icon? He was the sole claimed PR. The fact that Tchill came away from that TRing Icon is NAI imo.

We're talking in the first few pages after Icon's full claim, when Tchill decided Icon's claim was so ridiculous that it had to come from town, while others were scumreading him.

Luca "feels" Town. Again, a read that could easily be thrown away if need be. Btw, Luca did an assessment of Billy in 1431, and concluded that Billy's play was more null than Town. And you never even challenged him on that, even though you did later say that Billy was obvtown. In fact, neither of you challenged each other there (already asked Luca that in 2156).

This isn't a rebuttal of the reasons I gave for Luca-town. Look beyond the first two sentences.

this is the post. Klick is the FIRST person to point out ALI's protective crumb.

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idk how to manipulate the post and shorten it. i bolded it. its in the middle.

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I think Klick saw the crumb d1. killed Ali. Applied pressure on the claimed cop until he no longer could (because he was the only PR that claimed).

fished for the protective so they wouldn't waste a nk. Saw there was none and killed icon.

Klick is the only person that mentioned they noticed the ali crumb. Had klick not said that we wouldn't be talking about it.

Did klick see this before the call for massclaim? Before all the events of d2? why wait until post #2159 to bring it up?

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In order to assume Icon is town you have to have a scumteam that chooses to kill Alisae over a claimed Cop. The options for that are slim, methinks.

I'm going back to the eternal question: what scumteam actually decides to kill Alisae over Icon last night?

Knowing what we know now, scum probably don't have much power themselves considering all we have is Loyal Mailman. They could probably reasonably assume town didn't have much power. I don't think the immediate assumption is that we have a protective with a Cop claim.

Datisi/A50 both noticed and reacted to the claim. Luca claims to have noticed but didn't give any indication of that until D2 (but tbf I do think he noticed - I think he's the type to have read through the whole thread as either alignment). LUV didn't acknowledge the claim yesterday. Tchill actively claims to have not seen it.
But then Alisae's strong townreads were Tchill/LUV/myself. I really don't think they choose to kill her.

its odd to me that these posts come from the guy that was the first to notice the Ali soft crumb.

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If only you could manipulate the post as well as you can manipulate the game...

I’m not sure if Klick was the first to point that out, I’ll have to check to confirm that. Some interesting points though, keep it coming.

I've been lazy i aint gonna lie. due to frustration and rust. Sorry.

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I'm going back to the eternal question: what scumteam actually decides to kill Alisae over Icon last night?

Knowing what we know now, scum probably don't have much power themselves considering all we have is Loyal Mailman. They could probably reasonably assume town didn't have much power. I don't think the immediate assumption is that we have a protective with a Cop claim.

Datisi/A50 both noticed and reacted to the claim. Luca claims to have noticed but didn't give any indication of that until D2 (but tbf I do think he noticed - I think he's the type to have read through the whole thread as either alignment). LUV didn't acknowledge the claim yesterday. Tchill actively claims to have not seen it.

But then Alisae's strong townreads were Tchill/LUV/myself. I really don't think they choose to kill her.

quoting this again to highlight...

3 of the remaining 5 players are in that sentence.

if LUV and Klick are scum that noticed the ali crumb...

What a perfect post.

[Tchill13]

VC 1.13

Emperor flippyNips (5) [L-0]

- Luca Blight, Datisi, Iconeum, Klick, Alisae

Luca Blight (1)

- Emperor flippyNips

Datisi (1)

- Tchill13

Not Voting (2)

- Almost50, Lil Uzi Vert

With 9 alive, majority is 5.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-08-28 07:00:00)

Notes

Klick is V/LA for a few days.
Flip will likely be delayed until I’m out of school.

who thinks this is an all town lynch?

if not is luca or klick scum.

im betting klick.

[Tchill13]

Icon is town - we're past questioning that.
I've given my reasons for thinking the LUV slot is town on multiple occasions. You can't minimise that to simply 'gut'.
A50 is admittedly a doubt more than anything, but I don't actually think he'd play like this with a scum Role PM? Especially with the replace-out. This comes from town far more often than scum, in the same vein as your argument towards Icon being Town earlier today.

Lynching A50 or LUV today simply because you don't want them both in Lylo is extremely lazy, at best.

Tchill, I'm still putting the pieces together. I think Datisi/Luca is a team that has a decent amount of equity, but I'm by no means confident and I'm not going to sell you a case on Luca when I'm not confident in him being scum. He's been fairly townie today in his own right.

I'm not claiming my reads are infallible. In fact, I've gone wrong townreading at least one person - right now I have Datisi as likely scum largely by PoE (and her play today hasn't been hot), but then I have five townreads so I've definitely screwed up somewhere. But I think Datisi is the best lynch today.


Icon is town. This game doesn't have just a Night 3 Bodyguard for town power, and I'm not going to believe any further claims.
I'm pretty sold on the fact that the A50 slot is town, especially after gobble's claim. A50's play/replace-out straight-up just doesn't make sense as scum.
Billy didn't know that scum didn't have daytalk. And even if he did successfully fool us with that, I don't think he would have replaced out (and continued to be active on-site, at that).
You didn't realise Icon claimed Cop D1. You also came away from that whole situation with a townread on Icon, and I struggle to see that coming from scum.
With Luca, I can't say things are as solid. But he feels like town, especially today. He's made logical conclusions that would also be rather inconvenient for him to make as scum. (why immediately lean town on Icon's actions today? why buy into my poorly-explained reasoning for townreading A50/LUV? it's not

necessary

.)

Datisi is left. Nothing quite pings me as town in the same way that others have done. Nothing she's done would particularly surprise me coming from scum. And that's why I think she's the best lynch today. She's got the highest scum equity.

Where did I ever say you had to townread anyone on my behalf? That's a ridiculous concept.

If you think LUV is scum, convince me. You have given no evidence other than his low activity.

You have this odd view of recent events where I've strongarmed you into my point of view. How about you present your own reads instead of forcing yourself into mine?

You seem to want to lynch A50slot or LUV, not because they're scum, but because if they're town you feel they're a safe mislynch. I disagree with that and I've given the reasons I townread both of those slots.

I don't have an answer to that that I'm comfortable yet.

If you put a gun to my head I'd say I'm most likely to be wrong about Luca, then you, then LUV, then A50, then Icon.

I'm not pushing anyone else because I'm not confident in the second scum.

How many different ways can I find to say this before it gets through to you?

I buy what you're selling. Particularly that you wouldn't have killed Ali.
It's worth noting that there's not a chance I kill Ali last night either, unless I/my partner saw the crumb. I was in his good books.

Gobble's not scum and I think that's pretty obvious.
I'm ready to accept that I could be wrong on Billy/LUV.
Datisi doesn't feel like scum here, particularly in the last few pages of getting annoyed with me. At first I thought she was being defeatist to try and get townread, but I don't think doing it to this level is quite within her range.

I'm falling on LUV/Luca as a team and I think it makes a fair amount of sense. Luca's read on LUV has flip-flopped enough that I'm not sold on it being coherent.

PEdit: I mean everything you're saying is consistent with the kind of stuff I've read from your past scum PTs I do think there are certain things people just don't do when they're scum that they do when they're town. To that end, meta isn't trash.

If the vote is between gobble and LUV I'm voting LUV.

But if Icon has a different lynch he particularly wants today I'll sheep it instead.

he constantly defends a50 and LUV, acts as if he's pushing luv at the end but then uses icon as an out to avoid pushing LUV.

[Tchill13]

Spoiler: The vote count looked like this

VC 2.8

Lil Uzi Vert (2)

- Tchill13, Datisi

gobbledygook (2)

- Luca Blight, Lil Uzi Vert

Datisi (1)

- gobbledygook

Not Voting (2)

- Iconeum, Klick

With 7 alive, 4 is majority.

Countdown until Day 2 end: (expired on 2019-09-11 17:30:00)

Notes

yes, I'm still alive.

Spoiler: When Klick said this

If the vote is between gobble and LUV I'm voting LUV.

But if Icon has a different lynch he particularly wants today I'll sheep it instead.

Thoughts, Tchill?

lol i just quoted that. I think he gave himself an out with the icon statement. Im about to read his next few posts. If he acts upon it i'll change my mind.

[Tchill13]

Gobble's play was probably going to look busy upon replace-in here regardless of his alignment though?

Icon, would you describe your previous experience with gobble as 'trying to look busy'? Because that was the sense I was getting from your posts complaining about him

I’m fine lynching in Datisi, Gobble, and Iconeum today. I need to reread this Day 2 to really solidify or disconfirm my dislike of tchill’s play today.

LUV, what about Luca and I made you unwilling to lynch us today? As I recall, I was a scumread of yours D1. What changed?

there's no action here. Sure he SAID something but he doesn't even vote. How do you feel about that luca?

Gobble is consistently the only person he defends MORE or AS MUCH as LUV. Bringing LUV AND gobble to lylo makes sense if one is your partner

is just good scum play if neither are (which i highly doubt)

these 2 slots have the least content but are consistently Klick's strongets TRs and when he has the oppurtunity to really decide on one or the other he SAYS one thing but ultimately does nothing.

[Tchill13]

Iconeum

Luca Blight

Alisae
Klick

Emperor flippyNips

Datisi
Almost50

Tchill13

half this guys SR's are town.

A50 is still alive. Yes i see klick in there.

[Tchill13]

@luca

as scum do you choose to bring datisi or gobble to lylo?

[Tchill13]

If you two are just going to be brick walls and repeat the same play that essentially got Emperor lynched than I’ll just do the same.

VOTE: Gobble

He’s a claimed PR that can’t use his action until Night 3.

A bodyguard at that.

Or he’s scum because despite his claim, his play seems designed to look busy.

There was no risk to claiming there because of how A50 replaced out.

No there’s a difference between being busy actually playing and looking like you’re busy. The two massive posts he made are the latter.

None of the PR claims are happening so I’m left with just you.

I’ve never stated a town read on Datisi?

I don’t feel like my Datisi and Gobble reasons are without reason. I think I explained my issue with how tchill opened today and his case on me.

VOTE: Datisi

im about to go back through but this guys had way more reason for lynching A50.

[Tchill13]

I get the argument of bringing both Uzi and Gobble to LYLO being good scum play, but Klick was basically lock-towning Gobble just as much as you have been. He's basically shut himself off from voting him (unless something drastically changes), while Uzi was going to eat rope Yesterday had I not myself saved him.

klick was never in the position to have to choose with the spotlight on him. This should have happened. Sorry.

[Tchill13]

@luca

as scum do you choose to bring datisi or gobble to lylo?

In the current climate probably Datisi, as no-one else apart from Uzi particularly doubts Gobble, whereas everyone was content to lynch Datisi.

I dont agree with this but thats fine. I get where youre coming from. i just disagree.

[Tchill13]

And yes, 'why isn't Icon dead' is a very valid question.

I do not have an answer to this, but I consider it fully possible they chose an agressive strong town player over a player who claimed cop way too early and that there is a decent chance that was a fake claim. Not to mention the possibility of a protective being on a claimed cop.

I wanted to comment on the point you and tchill made about Alisae being a night kill for most players here but I thought better of it as it would require me referencing things that ultimately won’t lead us anywhere.

What I will say is that you two are probably right in regards to the Newbie and Normal queue. I cannot say the same for the other queues. This makes me think that the simplest explanation is most likely. Luca did bring up that A50 could have reasons for killing Alisae but my gut tells me we should be looking at him and Ico.

I wouldn’t give the A50 theory stock at all if it wasn’t for his 758.

I also would expect a miller here if we had some sort of protective role.

I feel that datisi is town, I do not know that.

I’m still not understanding why you think Datisi is town.

Why do you think datisi is scum?

Are you giving Alisae any credit at all for her reads?

Answering my question with a question doesn’t quite answer mine at all my friend.

You opened today with a town read on Datisi because of how Alisae dismantled her wagon and then followed that up by saying you thought her wagon was higher than Kop’s before that took place.

My problem is that I don’t see what about these sequence of events wiped away your concerns and why do they suggest Datisi’s alignment? And what’s funny is that I just glanced at your ISO up until this point and you never stated why you thought she was scum. Which begs the question of why you were scum reading her for thinking her wagon was higher than Kop’s.

No because I don’t think that’s why they were killed. This wasn’t an obvious night kill so scum either killed them because they thought they were PR, to protect a partner, or to frame a townie. Alisae was playing really aggressive and loudly for scum to think she was a PR so I’m much more confident in the last two.

LUV's reads the last week have been only pushing a claimed PR, and is now putting up a lynchlist that contains BOTH PR's.

LUV what is up with that? Can you explain your thoughts behind that?

My scum read of you stems from the Alisae kill. I had mentioned earlier that I believe the theory you shared with someone about most players would night kill Alisae here is wrong. I am still willing to accept it as your experience with them isn’t lengthy as mine and I can see some players who primarily play in the Normal queue doing so. I still believe Alisae’s play here did not set off PR alarm bells for scum though. So my question in regards to you was if you fear killed Alisae or were setup?

The mailman claim to be me is difficult for me to buy because I never seen the loyal modifier attached too. I’ve often seen the loud modifier attached to it. It’s also still very weak role overall and I know the NRG gives town a ton of power of these days.

Luca described my thoughts on Gobble perfectly to be honest.

Ah I didn’t see that. Sure does look like crumb but:

I don’t feel like going through the open subforum to see how often he puts vigs in games
Someone else can do that
Gnite

There was also this post shortly after. I feel scum would have notice that the protective didn’t make the concerted effort to meta the setup designer and reviewers.

Ah I didn’t see that. Sure does look like crumb but:

I don’t feel like going through the open subforum to see how often he puts vigs in games
Someone else can do that
Gnite

There was also this post shortly after. I feel scum would have notice that the protective didn’t make the concerted effort to meta the setup designer and reviewers.

I've never meta'd anything unless I'm just familiar with the person. What on earth would this have to do with ali's credibility as a softed pr?

If I’m a protective in the normal queue, I’d want to know the likelihood of a vigilante to confirm a player who claims it on the off chance I protected their target.

Why do I have to provide reasoning on why everyone wouldn’t have killed Alisae? I said why I think Alisae was killed and you disagreed tchill. Cool. You then pointed out why and I stated that along with their overall play, there is a post that implies Alisae was not a protective PR.

A scum team would have to have shit for brains to think that Alisae was a protective in a game state where a cop was claimed with no additional limitations or modifiers and no red herrings such as a miller. It’s more likely they were killed for the reasons I had stated.

look at the extent LUV goes to discredit the soft from Ali.

if you follow my Klick theory on what he did as scum, its important to realize that Ali being night killed because of the soft is key since klick was the first to bring this up.

LUV constantly discredits the validity of the soft when it was CLEARLY what Ali was doing.

[Tchill13]

I’m VT.

I’ll try to be more active. It’s a real struggle for me to stay engaged as town.

well as stated i believed one of the vt's lied at least...

I'm willing to "maybe" narrow the lynch to LUV/datisi

what's the town motivation for claiming vt when you know your'e about to be lynched? think A50 is just that spiteful?

What’s the scum motivation? Wouldn’t scum just claim a PR to incentivize town to keep them alive?

all these post accomplish is "I wouldn't be playing this way as as scum"

literally their only purpose.

[Tchill13]

Shame. Should probably just lynch you then.

I'm not gonna fight it back all that hard. I am totally lost and can't say one player has more equity to be scum over another in this game state, and if we're/I'm resigned to the loss then it doesn't really matter whether I get lynched. I still would rather try lynching someone else just in case we are lucky and we hit scum though.

OK. so I skimmed fast and it seems a couple of you really do suspect me! I dunno how I feel about that either. I mean, at face value I do understand the logic, but I dunno if someone who knows me should go down that route. Unfortunately none of you "knows" me, and that includes those who played with me before (maybe Icon knows me some.. but the last time we played we still were at each other's throats as TvT, so...)

OK, let me ask you all this:

Suppose I am today;s lynch and I flip town. Who's the second main suspect (provided I'm TOWN, so forget all about "your partner is X").

So, I killed Ali because I defended Ali? I also defended Datisi, so why not her? Or Tchill for that matter. I seem to recall I said to give him another day (I hope I'm not confusing my games here. If I am.. disregard).

My problem is if I ISO each of you individually I get the feeling that "this is a town slot".. on its own. Knowing there has to be scum it's a given that I have not one but 2 bad reads. Which ones though? That I dunno, and I feel like I'm paralyzed yet being forces to race in the olympics.

I guess my problem is I haven't been playing micros for long. The bare minimum, for me is 12 players, not 9.

Yeah, yeah.. excuses.. excuses.. then lynch away. I am not going to suddenly get inspired and pull reads out of ass for you.

this dude isnt being survivalistic at all.

and when pressured about the ali lynch all he has to do is bring up the protective slot. he doesn't. I doubt he saw it. If he didn't see it why does he kill Ali?

[Tchill13]

Don't you think if someone had the proper CC they would have done it already?

The problem with the massclaim is it also outs the protective (if any). If there's no protective, Icon is dead 100% of the time if he is town.

So let me put it this way:

Massclaim >> Doctor is outed >> Doctor is shot (regardless of Icon's true alignment)
Massclaim >> No Doctor >> Icon is dead (assuming he is town)

No Massclaim >> Icon has a chance to do something beneficial (if he is town)
No Massclaim >> An investigative flips or they get a result on Icon.. or they catch the other scum and then claim and we lynch them both (the caught scum and Icon)

VOTE: iconeum

Dude was on every wagon that reached L-1.

Dude claimed cop when he didn't have to. Some say scum wouldn't claim dop d1. Well I say scum also wouldn't be on every L-1 wagon unless he's just that aggressive... He could be.

Alisae's last read was a luca/Icon scum team.

He used his action on the player most likely to be killed if town.

If icon is still alive next day phase he will automatically be my lynch. I'm not gonna risk scum skating by on a fake claim to a victory like that. That's on town if scum win by, fake claiming cop d1.

OK..

VOTE: Icon

If you're right you are doing me a BIG favour bringing me into the spirit of the game.
If you're wrong I get to say "I told you so". It's fun for me either way, and I've got no better option really.

I belive that is L-1 too. Any quick hammer is a scum claim

You can easily replace out if you feel the game is over already or don't intend to play in lylo.

Get me angry enough, cuz that's the only reason I replace out (for fear of saying something that gets me banned)

I belive that is L-1 too. Any quick hammer is a scum claim

Somebody quick hammer. I'll hard tr you in lylo.

Why would I be wrong? And if there's enough reason for you to believe I maybe wrong why are you voting the only claimed PR as we might be heading into lylo?

What other choices do I have?? Do you want me to go back to the not voting pile??

I'll tell you rn if icon flips town and you're still on the board A50 your primary suspect number one

OK. No problem. Let's just hope you're right here and then you can still rub it in my face. Either way I am to blame, one way or another.

VT here

I am out of sync in this game (not the only one) and it feels best if you lynch me today because I won't be of much use in LyLo

so A50 OPPOSED massclaim and he said we should lynch him...

If he's truthfully a n3 BG that believes he'll be lynched before n3 why even claim that? No he wont be of any use because we won't even get to his night phase from his pov.

and yes he lied about it but what good does it do even if he claims it?

and i've already stated the isses with a n3 BG claim on replace in.

he was AGAINST mass claim and said "lynch me"

[Tchill13]

I've been unexpectedly stuck at my in-laws for 8 days and am getting the weekend as a break before going back there for an even longer amount of time. This weekend should be good for my activity. Here in a bit ill give this game a solid half-hour.

Heres where my head is currently at:

TOWN
Klick
LUV, Tchill
--- do not lynch above this line ---
Datisi
A50, Luca


Icon
SCUM

I'll join the crowd of people waiting for LUV/A50 to weigh in on today's events.

A50, at the moment I'm between you/Icon/Luca as likely scum, and you're mostly on the list because nothing your slot has done has given me any reason to think it's town.

Almost50: That's me. I only have my role PM to argue with (and it's not available to any of you, so I perfectly understand). If I was a bypasser I'd wonder what this slot has done to be TR'd, but I also have the advantage of knowing me and knowing I'm not this passive as scum.. like EVER.

The very first game I checked to confirm this was evidence to the contrary...

VOTE: Almost50

UNVOTE:

Something doesn't feel right.
I feel like A50's making life really unnecessarily difficult for himself if he's scum.

and while luca has brought up GREAT points about why he could see a klick/gobble team

Klick pushed A50 HARD mid-game. Klick never pushes LUV like this. Klick makes a few posts stating LUV over A50 as scum but never acts on it.

Klick is all game town LUV slot. Klick never TR's A50 slot until A50 begins acting all defeated right before replace out.

[Tchill13]

SO IM SUMMARY OF THE TIME I ACTUALLY PUT IN EFFORT:

(descriptions are not in order of when things happened)

Klick: 1st to point out Ali protective soft. Emphasizes "what scum team kills Ali". CALLS FOR MASS CLAIM (in spite of the claimed cop pointing out they dont want the protective outed). Shades Icon HARD until Klick is forced to TR them due to lack of PR's. Shades A50 HARD until A50 seems to willingly be lynched without a fight at all then HARD TR's the slot the rest of the game. HARD TR's LUV the entire game (since the billy "test" which was at the beginning). Claims they'll lynch LUV before A50 but ultimately doesn't have to do anything in that situation. Begins to show aggression towards tchill for the first time in the d2 twilight phase.

LUV: most inactive slot. Discredits the Ali soft. Lists several reasons for voting A50/Gobble then votes datisi. Claims they listed several reasons datisi was scum (I didn't see this). Makes a few LAMIST post. Definitely doesn't look to be scum hunting much at all when active.

A50/Gobble: A50 fights AGAINST the mass claim. Claims VT. Suggest we lynch him because he won't be of use in lylo (Correct concerning a n3 BG if d2 is a ML). Literally gives up before replacing out. Gobble replaces in and claims n3 BG while also claiming they haven't read the thread. Uses a unique tool that doesn't have much equity.

Questions on Gobble: How do you replace into a scum slot in a game you haven't read? Why claim n3 BG when you could claim VT on d2 and then claim a PR d3 with various long term effects (at this point he would still be only other PR, making this believable, because i hadn't claimed yet) You open the door to a protective claim, a tracker claim.. You can claim doc d2. Leave icon alive d3. claim scum killed random n2 to throw shade at the protective... Claim VT d2, kill random n2, claim tracker d3 that tracked icon to the kill. If there's a letter to be read thats the "scum team" if there's no letter then he claims he sent "x" letter but you call him a liar. 1v1 an invest thats been alive 2 days after claim.

A50 was against mass claim. Said "lynch me before lylo". Gobble had a shit fake claim for scum. Yes he can "still" be scum but compared to the other 2 it's not as likely.

Luca: well i hard TR this slot. His progressions on Flippy/tchill scum team come from town. especially when we were both scum by PoE then all of a sudden scum together to strengthen his own thoughts of his PoE pool. He thinks Gobble is scum with a genius fake claim yet he's caught this fake claim. I believe thats town over thinking. Specifically town that thinks they "solved" something (ironically thats what i think atm of myself so this is NOT shade of luca).

gonna be really hard to change my perspective of this at all. Klick shaded icon hard. Klick called for massclaim. Klick brought up the ali soft 1st late game while "wondering" why scum killed ali n1. LUV has been hard TR'd by klick all game. LUV discredits the ali soft while claiming they have multiple reasons to vote for datisi (i never seen it, seen several for voting A50/gobble). A50 fought massclaim. Gobble is doing weird and bad shit if scum (im using the same principles to town clear gobble that i used to town clear flippy. Luca is just my hard TR today. If he's scum great job buddy.

A50 fought massclaim. Did not claim a PR under pressure with nothing else to save him. Gobble made a shit fake claim. Regardless of the thoughts on gobbles claim A50's points still stand. A50 ALONE looks much better than Klick does due to the handling of icon and mass claim.

[Tchill13]

you cant say that for sure though because push never came to shove. We can all sya things. Doing them is different. I dont think he meant it and i actually think LUV being the SECOND strongest TR makes sense. Scum dont want their buddy to be the STRONGEST TR the entire game?

andhe did push a50 substantially. Maybe not as hard as i implied but he did push A50 at one point. I dont believe he ever pushed LUV even half as much as he did A50. He never made a case. He never pushed for answeres. He simply said "id vote LUV over A50 if the time comes" and it conveniently never did.

[Tchill13]

I'm going back to the eternal question: what scumteam actually decides to kill Alisae over Icon last night?

Knowing what we know now, scum probably don't have much power themselves considering all we have is Loyal Mailman. They could probably reasonably assume town didn't have much power. I don't think the immediate assumption is that we have a protective with a Cop claim.

Datisi/A50 both noticed and reacted to the claim. Luca claims to have noticed but didn't give any indication of that until D2 (but tbf I do think he noticed - I think he's the type to have read through the whole thread as either alignment). LUV didn't acknowledge the claim yesterday. Tchill actively claims to have not seen it.

But then Alisae's strong townreads were Tchill/LUV/myself. I really don't think they choose to kill her.

quoting this again to highlight...

3 of the remaining 5 players are in that sentence.

if LUV and Klick are scum that noticed the ali crumb...

What a perfect post.

also this Luca. This is huge.

[Tchill13]

We lynch A50 today.

Scum probably kill in (klick/luca/me)

LUV/datisi will, still be in the game 100 percent. If not then scum are killing off a mislynch candidate in lylo, which they won't do.

And I'm pretty sure one of the vt's lied and is gonna claim something in lylo. Highly doubt all those vt claims are true.

theres your crumb.

[Tchill13]

Actually Alisae does hard-townread both slots here:

Spoiler:

{Klick, Billy, Tchill} - I really think these are town
{Datisi, A50} - If I'm wrong somewhere, maybe it could be on one of these, but re-evaluating here is probably something I want to focus on when I have flips to work with. atm I don't think I'm wrong.
{Flippy} - Could be town but leaves room to be desired
{Luca} - Scum

I'm excluding Icon cuz cop claim I don't see any real reason to focus on that slot.

But ended the day suspecting Uzi.

and scum reads you and softed protective.

[Tchill13]

thats nice

[Tchill13]

waiting on LUV to answer if he's a VT or not.

[Tchill13]

waiting on LUV to answer if he's a VT or not.

and Klick can you go ahead and answer if you're a VT also?

[Tchill13]

I'm going back to the eternal question: what scumteam actually decides to kill Alisae over Icon last night?

Knowing what we know now, scum probably don't have much power themselves considering all we have is Loyal Mailman. They could probably reasonably assume town didn't have much power. I don't think the immediate assumption is that we have a protective with a Cop claim.

Datisi/A50 both noticed and reacted to the claim. Luca claims to have noticed but didn't give any indication of that until D2 (but tbf I do think he noticed - I think he's the type to have read through the whole thread as either alignment). LUV didn't acknowledge the claim yesterday. Tchill actively claims to have not seen it.
But then Alisae's strong townreads were Tchill/LUV/myself. I really don't think they choose to kill her.

luca please acknowledge this just whenever.

[Tchill13]

[...]

this is the post. Klick is the FIRST person to point out ALI's protective crumb.

No I'm not? It was brought up by someone else, and that's the only reason I saw the crumb in the first place. I'll go find it.

ok good deal. i remembered your post specifically.

[Tchill13]

So gobble claims n3 BG at the beginning of mass claim "he thoeone hadn't happened yet" and he's scum.

I'm an even night tracker and I'm scum for claiming it late?

Dude. The n3 BG may not even get to be used in a game like this.

The loyal mailman and myself are the only 2 PR's guaranteed to be used.

[Tchill13]

thats nice

...he says through gritted teeth.

All that work Tchill put into selling Scum!Klick to me, only for him to get an inno

I will say Luca this is the most I've ever tried to work with someone in spite of them scum reading me. It's been a challenge. I don't understand. You've been determined to scum read me time and time again. Of course you don't think that's the case but it's obvious to anyone watching or playing the game.

I'm not trying to "setup" scum klick. The info is there. I got wrong that he was the first to point out the Ali crumb. Wooptie doo. He still shaded klick hard until he couldn't do so. He shaded a50 hard until A50 literally gave up.

He didn't post his "message" until me, gobble and you had posted. LUV is the only one who hasn't posted. If that's the team it makes sense.

[Tchill13]

You're already trying to come up with a way to continue to scum read me despite my night action before you even know my results. You're a peace of work. This is SOOOOO ridiculous. This game should have ended on page 60. No reason for it to go this long. One of the worst games I've ever been apart of.

And if I'm scum for the timing of my claim, which was specifically to draw the night kill away from icon, then whatever. Par for the course with you Luca.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Lil uzi Vert

I'm done with this game. Had a mind to open the day phase naked voting uzi.

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Leave it there and if we're both still alive it'll be a 1v1. If I'm wrong Woo-hoo I'm the town jackass.

I did track LUV to icon.

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Luca said himself 3 PR's don't make sense. Which means 4 PR's don't make sense. So here we go.

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Thought about that, but I intended to track your luv. I made the "klick is conf scum" post so LUV would do the nk.

Apparently it worked.

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Teams most likely:

LUV/Klick
LUV/A50
LUV/luca

In that order.

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I'm ET American but I've noticed this group only posts late so I stayed up.

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Well icon stated he doesn't crumb.

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You're scum BECAUSE YOU WANTED THE MASS CLAIM. you find out if there's a protective that way. You kill icon if there isn't. The only thing mass claim changed for you is that you stopped pushing icon because you had to since he was the only PR that claimed.

You not being the first to notice Ali crumb does put a dent in some things.

You still shade icon until you can't possibly do so. You still tr luv the entire game while pushing A50 for about half the game.

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So I push for a massclaim to fish out a protective so I can kill Icon... instead of just lynching Icon?
Are you saying the massclaim wasn't beneficial for town? Because it definitely was.
You're also saying that I did all this to find out how to kill Icon, but you were saying all of yesterday that scum didn't need to worry about killing Icon.

I pushed A50 via PoE for about five seconds, and then got a bad feeling about it.

You weren't gonna get icon lynched at that point. Mass claim no matter how beneficial for town is more beneficial to scum every time.

I as scum would not have killed icon. Too much wifom there. Not everyone plays town or scum as I do though.

You pushed A50 hard, regardless of how "quick" you want to make it seem. You never pushed LUV similarly to pushing A50.

Then LUV is you're 2nd strongest tr the behind A50 for a majority of the last half of the game. Of course you take no actions to back this up (such as votes) but you do make sure it's voiced that A50 is your hardest tr.

A50 gets points imo for fighting against the claim. Then telling us to lynch him after he claimed vt.

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I really wish this Day had started much closer to the 48-hour night deadline. I was around and checking all of yesterday, and I had just gone to bed when Day started. I came in here and posted this morning about five minutes after waking up.

I was very happy no one was posting in between my cases. I prefer to make walls of posts on things like that.

Anyway, who's the scum team and why?

It's funny to me that you refused to partake in the one of tchill/luca has to be scum hypothetical on D2.

Now I'm assuming you're about to push a team with one of us in it.

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Of course you would like to wait on LUV.

The only thing that's even fun about this game is the pun "you can't wait on LUV"

Dude you still pushed A50 WAAAAAAY more than you did LUV. even if you can only quote 5 posts.

Why are you making such an effort to make sure everyone KNOWS A50 is just as town as LUV is to you?

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Who is scum klick. You've town read everyone all game. Who is scum. What is the team and why?

And I'm not continually lying. I maybe missing things occasionally but I'm not blatantly lying.

I'm more than likely not going to end up working with you. You refused to do so when I gave you the chance in the form of the hypothetical scenario practices.

Those hypotheticals were geared towards this moment.

Whose the scum team and why.

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If your thoughts are Idk then they're not exactly thoughts.

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When I seen how much you shaded the invest before claim. Called for mass claim. Shaded A50 before he gave up.... You're scum with luv.

You hop in and claim icon sent you the letter after everyone BUT luv has posted. That's a bad look

Pedit:

Well that's actually interesting.

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I mean klick would have to be God lvl scum here right?

That'd be cool. I might be OK with losing to scum klick.

But, we're lynching LUV today.

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Why wouldn't Luca agree with me it's luv/klick but try to get me to agree on a klick lynch here?

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wow you can come up with 8/46 posts

and how many did you quote? 2? 3?/48

hold on there dragonite i don't think i've even touched on what's so garsh darn bad about him

This does cause me to hesitate. I mean it's a great find. I could get super paranoid (I'm not gonna) instead I'll try and keep a lvl head and question things that makes sense to me.

What a great find though.

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What makes that a great find?

His message he's claiming he got from icon was "Mr. Dragonite says hello" after Ali called icon Dragonite.

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I'll have to iso Luca with the same effort I iso'd the rest of the game eventually.

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Why do YOU think Luca is town and luv/klick is scum?

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What the hell.

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Lmao. Gobble doesn't get hammered and uzi doesn't get hammered it IS luca/uzi more than likely.

Because either me/luv are scum.

Either Luca/gobble are scum.

I've voted luv. It hasn't been hammered yet. Luv's scum mate then votes another player and let's it sit there to cast doubt. Makes sense to me.

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That's just too risky for town to do in lylo without a night action to back up the vote.

Haha. If it's klick/uze then I lose right here anyway. Just realized that. Haha.

Hahahahahahhaha.

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You did it because I voted uzi and there was no quick hammer. Which is worth confirming to me and gobble that you're scum if it means klick believes you're town.

Because luca/klick/uzi wins out.

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And if you're wrong you just look like an asshole here. Very hard for me to believe this is something you'd do as town.

You probably think I've dug my grave with klick here and that this would even more so push klick to help out luca/uzi.

I guess we'll see.

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I guess it's not that crazy for scum to push a D1 scum team when they didn't have to. Which is the 1st of many reasons I tried to use to TR you.

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When scum is voted in lylo and there's not hammer all scum can do is retaliate by voting back and then acting like scum voted them.

Luca can't even depend on uzi to post so he does the next best thing and votes somewhere else to cast even more doubt and draw the attention away from uzi.

It's an all or nothing play which is why it makes sense. Luca can no longer afford to bus his scum mate. At this point if we lynch uzi there's no combination of players that wouldn't lynch Luca next day once uzi flips scum.

So he has to push the A50/tchill team here at all costs now that it's pretty obvious uzi is scum.

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I believe Luca panicked once he seen klick try to work with me even after I pushed klick so hard. Then klick mentioned that luca/uzi is a possibility.

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Klick scum here is God play due to that Ali post. I did Seay that was cause for concern on klick! Town.

Not much later Luca does this. That's the game for me. Luca/uzi.

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Tchill, you can’t afford Gobble to be lynched because the game would be up. That’s probably why you asked A50 to replace out as he wasn’t game enough and was heading towards a Lynch.

Anyway this is pointless. I know you’re scum, you know I’m Town. It’s up for Klick to decide.

Oh haha. That's a good point. I raged at my partner mid game. Then I get another partner I'm sure to be even more angry at for claiming n3 BG right?

So basically I'm just scum pissed at my partner this game lol. Sure buddy suuuuure.

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Uzi scum flip conf towns me.

Luca already knows if he kills me gobble isn't working with him. He knows I ain't working with him after that vote. He knows if he kills gobble klick works with me since I'm conf town.

And once again he has to vote gobble because I voted uzi and nothing happened.

So he was forced into this because of the likelihood we lynch uzi.

That Ali posts klick mentioned about dragonite is pretty concrete (Idk why gobble argued it)

But yeah, Luca has to make sure he wins the game here.

Cheers to Luca. Can't wait to see how this plays out.

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You don’t get to choose who your partner is, and you’ve locked him as Town due to that dubious claim.

I can tell that Town!Tchill would never lock someone as Town based on that.

Right. Do you also know that scum tchill is way more about play than the average person here? Klick should have seen that reading through my scum PTs.

You also have to explain why I kill Ali. You said most of the game I missed the icon claim which is why I'm town. So please tell me you think I kill Ali because I didn't miss the Ali soft.... While I did miss the icon claim.

Also I'd like my Oscar for acting like I missed that icon claim. The one you said I deserved if I was scum.

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More about team play.

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Gobble isn't gonna work with you after pushing a tchill/gobble team in lylo then uzi flipping scum.

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Tchill, paraphrase your track message like Klick did.

No
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That's fine. Go ahead. This is a win win for me.

If you're scum I'm relieved. If you're town I'm black listing you.

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Better be a good scum slip. It better come with my Oscar also lol.

You've been so full of shit this entire game. This will be a fun lylo.

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I've played so awful as either alignment. I've been very open about all of my entire play. I've clearly had no plan. I never acted consistently... So please put my scum game together.

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If klick went through all my scum PTs this game is over.

If I'm scum I'd have to be so far off the reservation from my normal scum game it wouldn't even be feasible.

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Dude I said one scum in klick/luca and one in a50/luv in the year 2017.

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I tried to make yall both play out the hypothetical that would eventually happen. Were in the scenario I was wanting to discuss rn.

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I did crumb. I also claimed when I did to try and keep the only player everyone town read alive.

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To be fair I'm not arguing with you. I'm rebuttling your garbage points so the others can say.

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The fact that you don't believe me holds no weight considering I've bent over backwards to work with you and at every step you have disagreed to meet me anywhere near the middle.

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So I'm genius enough to earn a scummy Oscar... But I fought with my scummate (when I'm a huge team player, especially as scum) and I made a terrible fake claim... And I was the first person to lay down a a vote in lylo. Locking me into a 1v1 and limiting my lynch options...

The "scummy Oscar" doesn't follow the same logic as the rest of my play.

It's crazy. It's almost like I'm better at being scum when I'm actually scum or something.

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I think you could fake it generally speaking, but the situation as it presented itself seemed as though it wasn't fake. You were oblivious to what was happening, to the point where you thought Klick was soft-claiming. And this isn't out of the ordinary for you either. If that reaction was genuinely faked then you deserve the MafiaScum version of an Oscar.

At the end of the day we have to base reads on what we deem to be real and fake behaviour, and your reaction to my critical eye didn't seem faked at all.

yeah im totally mis-repping.

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And what would i have to gain from being reluctant to work with someone who tr’s me all game? That is counter-initiative.

If we reverse the roles here and say you’re Town and I’m scum, Then I would have tried to encourage a working relationship with you in order to manipulate you, I wouldn’t have suspected you at every turn and certainly wouldn’t have VOTED Gobble in LYLO CONFIRMING to two people who TR me that I’m scum.

because the guy that TR's you the whole game has voted your scum buddy and he wasn't quick lynched.

this just confirms luca/Uzi imo. All you're doing is making a last ditch effort to push tchill/A50 because you know Klick is your only hope.

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Aaaalrightly then.

Wish I could lock down Klick/Luca upon my Green flip. But the way LUV is playing is making me so uneasy I cannot grant him a TR.

Luca also believes A50/LUV Is town.

I've actually said I'm still not entirely sure about Gobble. If I'm wrong about the Datisi/Tchill scumteam then he must be scum by PoE, from my perspective.

This however, which gives me vibes of setting up Gobble's mislynch tomorrow, makes me feel better about Klick/Luca.

datisi was close.

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Honestly team is probs luca/luv

2nd confrimed townie that think luca is scum.

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LUV
Datisi
Luca
(Klick)

I think both scum are probably in this pile
Gobble could still be added to this, kinda. I guess.

this is icon's last reads list. a 3rd confirmed townie.

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yep. i fooled those 3 but luca caught me... that smug bastard. Luca is just so damn good...

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Tchill, you can’t afford Gobble to be lynched because the game would be up. That’s probably why you asked A50 to replace out as he wasn’t game enough and was heading towards a Lynch.

Anyway this is pointless. I know you’re scum, you know I’m Town. It’s up for Klick to decide.

lets say i fake claimed tracker. You realize klick and i have both said A50/LUV is a possibility right? so an A50 lynch. NK luca. Me/klick/Uzi... thats not a hopeless scenario. especially if I were to bus A50.

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VC 1.13

Emperor flippyNips (5) [L-0]

- Luca Blight, Datisi, Iconeum, Klick, Alisae

Luca Blight (1)

- Emperor flippyNips

Datisi (1)

- Tchill13

Not Voting (2)

- Almost50, Lil Uzi Vert

With 9 alive, majority is 5.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-08-28 07:00:00)

Notes

Klick is V/LA for a few days.
Flip will likely be delayed until I’m out of school.

so the d1 wagon was all town?

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And what would i have to gain from being reluctant to work with someone who tr’s me all game? That is counter-initiative.

If we reverse the roles here and say you’re Town and I’m scum, Then I would have tried to encourage a working relationship with you in order to manipulate you, I wouldn’t have suspected you at every turn and certainly wouldn’t have VOTED Gobble in LYLO CONFIRMING to two people who TR me that I’m scum.

because the guy that TR's you the whole game has voted your scum buddy and he wasn't quick lynched.

this just confirms luca/Uzi imo. All you're doing is making a last ditch effort to push tchill/A50 because you know Klick is your only hope.

I would have tunneled ali if she was alive d2.

I would have tunneled icon had the mass claim had 1 more PR. Like luca mentioned earlier (to shade me) I'm used to 13p mini's. At the time I knew me and icon were the only PR's I thought Icon HAD to be town. I still hated it (because he lied about cop claim). Ultimately I HAD TO believe he was town to get to a place to analyze the game.

I would be tunneling a klick/uzi team had klick not quoted the dragonite reference in the Ali post referring to Icon. I'd still be at least considering klick for scum had luca not laid down a vote.

I have been wrong about many, many things.

there are 3 dead conf townies that thought there was a good chance luca was scum. Given how luca has acted in lylo I have to assume I was wrong about him the entire time. Yes i've voted every which way (mostly due to frustration on how long this game has taken.) No i haven't been consistent (except for my gun to head reads) but if klick went through all my scum PT's this game is over. He knows im town here.

I'm VERY methodical as scum. Yes gobble and LUV are in lylo. From luca's pov I only carried LUV to lylo (since gobble is my teammate)

It's hard to argue for myself because i was throwing my vote around end d2. I dont think you can make the case i've tried to carry LUV to lylo though.

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its not self meta if klick real all my scum PTs like he stated earlier. Klick already knows this stuff.

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So I'm genius enough to earn a scummy Oscar... But I fought with my scummate (when I'm a huge team player, especially as scum) and I made a terrible fake claim... And I was the first person to lay down a a vote in lylo. Locking me into a 1v1 and limiting my lynch options...

The "scummy Oscar" doesn't follow the same logic as the rest of my play.

It's crazy. It's almost like I'm better at being scum when I'm actually scum or something.

I don’t think you get a scummy Oscar, you’re misrepping me. I don’t think your reaction was fake even though you’re scum.

I have to get back to work, will be back later.

I think you could fake it generally speaking, but the situation as it presented itself seemed as though it wasn't fake. You were oblivious to what was happening, to the point where you thought Klick was soft-claiming. And this isn't out of the ordinary for you either. If that reaction was genuinely faked then you deserve the MafiaScum version of an Oscar.

At the end of the day we have to base reads on what we deem to be real and fake behaviour, and your reaction to my critical eye didn't seem faked at all.

yeah im totally mis-repping.

you cant really come back from this.

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and 3 conf townies had you as prob scum. Where am I in that? why am i night killing so many ppl that arent even aware I might be scum?

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I missed icons claim so I might be town?

How the hell does that make sense?

So you don't think scum might have discussed it during N1?

so my reaction was real. Which means you now think scum ddidn't discuss it? contrary to what you voice here.

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LUV
Datisi
Luca
(Klick)

I think both scum are probably in this pile
Gobble could still be added to this, kinda. I guess.

this is icon's last reads list. a 3rd confirmed townie.

and 3 conf townies had you as prob scum. Where am I in that? why am i night killing so many ppl that arent even aware I might be scum?

The only NK that fits this bill is Ali, and that was a D1 read that could easily have changed.

why cus icon was PR? how many time have i mentioned scum keeping him around for wifom? oh dang thats self meta...

terrible idea to keep a pr around for wifom that didn't SR me or my partner at all.

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I buy what you're selling. Particularly that you wouldn't have killed Ali.
It's worth noting that there's not a chance I kill Ali last night either, unless I/my partner saw the crumb. I was in his good books.

Gobble's not scum and I think that's pretty obvious.
I'm ready to accept that I could be wrong on Billy/LUV.
Datisi doesn't feel like scum here, particularly in the last few pages of getting annoyed with me. At first I thought she was being defeatist to try and get townread, but I don't think doing it to this level is quite within her range.

I'm falling on LUV/Luca as a team and I think it makes a fair amount of sense. Luca's read on LUV has flip-flopped enough that I'm not sold on it being coherent.

PEdit: I mean everything you're saying is consistent with the kind of stuff I've read from your past scum PTs I do think there are certain things people just don't do when they're scum that they do when they're town. To that end, meta isn't trash.

and it really doesnt make sense for me to push klick to the fucking wall as scum in lylo here right at the beginning. If anything i open up pushing you luca.

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im fine with walking away on such poopoo points.

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I buy what you're selling. Particularly that you wouldn't have killed Ali.
It's worth noting that there's not a chance I kill Ali last night either, unless I/my partner saw the crumb. I was in his good books.

Gobble's not scum and I think that's pretty obvious.
I'm ready to accept that I could be wrong on Billy/LUV.
Datisi doesn't feel like scum here, particularly in the last few pages of getting annoyed with me. At first I thought she was being defeatist to try and get townread, but I don't think doing it to this level is quite within her range.

I'm falling on LUV/Luca as a team and I think it makes a fair amount of sense. Luca's read on LUV has flip-flopped enough that I'm not sold on it being coherent.

PEdit: I mean everything you're saying is consistent with the kind of stuff I've read from your past scum PTs I do think there are certain things people just don't do when they're scum that they do when they're town. To that end, meta isn't trash.

and it really doesnt make sense for me to push klick to the fucking wall as scum in lylo here right at the beginning. If anything i open up pushing you luca.

It makes less sense me voting Gobble and confirming to you and him that I’m scum when you were townreading
me.

Anyway, I will return to this Monday as I said.

nice "what about"-ism.

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And what would i have to gain from being reluctant to work with someone who tr’s me all game? That is counter-initiative.

If we reverse the roles here and say you’re Town and I’m scum, Then I would have tried to encourage a working relationship with you in order to manipulate you, I wouldn’t have suspected you at every turn and certainly wouldn’t have VOTED Gobble in LYLO CONFIRMING to two people who TR me that I’m scum.

because the guy that TR's you the whole game has voted your scum buddy and he wasn't quick lynched.

this just confirms luca/Uzi imo. All you're doing is making a last ditch effort to push tchill/A50 because you know Klick is your only hope.

You should know this makes zero sense, Tchill. I was getting lynched after a red Uzi flip until Luca voted gobble. A LUV/Luca team can simply let that happen, no?

I showed hesitancy after you quoted ali calling icon that name.

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Luca

A50
Billy
Flippynips
Klick
Icon
Datisi

Looking back, this is such an annoying readslist for my purposes now.

idk what you're getting at.

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somebody has to have done something that makse no sense between me/luca/klick btw unless the team is uzi/gobble.

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Gobble has shown no hesitance. He was prepared to straight-up lynch me/LUV.

Yeah I agree. Then he also throwed shade on what would town clear you. I clearly said I'm not sure why he's doing this.

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Am I really gonna have to go from uzi/klick to uzi/luca to uzi/gobble in a lylo day phase?

Because you make a good point. If I and gobble were ready to hang you and uzi why not do that?

We lynch luv. Nk either me or gobble. Then kill you. Luca/luv wins.

That would be a reasonable route for a scum team of uzi/luca to take.

Klick is now conf town to me no matter what the rest of the day phase. LUV is conf scum to me no matter what the rest of the day phase.

So it comes down to Luca or gobble being the partner.

That last part does make more sense for a gobble/uzi team.

This said... I will not be voting anyone other than uzi today.

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I buy what you're selling. Particularly that you wouldn't have killed Ali.
It's worth noting that there's not a chance I kill Ali last night either, unless I/my partner saw the crumb. I was in his good books.

Gobble's not scum and I think that's pretty obvious.
I'm ready to accept that I could be wrong on Billy/LUV.
Datisi doesn't feel like scum here, particularly in the last few pages of getting annoyed with me. At first I thought she was being defeatist to try and get townread, but I don't think doing it to this level is quite within her range.

I'm falling on LUV/Luca as a team and I think it makes a fair amount of sense. Luca's read on LUV has flip-flopped enough that I'm not sold on it being coherent.

PEdit: I mean everything you're saying is consistent with the kind of stuff I've read from your past scum PTs I do think there are certain things people just don't do when they're scum that they do when they're town. To that end, meta isn't trash.

Once again. You hard TR gobble here and tr me. If I'm scum with gobble it makes much more sense for me to case Luca at the beginning of the day and try to get you to buy into a luca/luv team. There's no way in hell it makes sense for me to get Luca to lynch you then flip to what you were pushing originally. As scum with gobble I'd just push what you were pushing out of the gate.

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I'm conf town on luv's scum flip.

If I die it's a scum claim from gobble. Considering he's a n3 BG.

If it's me/klick/gobble in lylo tomorrow... I'll be worried. Because I can just as easily see them both being scum with LUV.

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Me/luca/gobble

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In other words Tchill, if LUV/gobble is actually the scumteam, then we can't lynch LUV without Luca's help.

I understand.

I cased klick because if you're gonna make a lynch in lylo you know what the scum team is. That's the only reason.

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If Luca is town here and I have a guilty on uzi and he votes me in lylo Idk what else I could have done.

I'm basically scum because I was wrong about the scum team so many times.

It DOES NOT MAKE SENSE for tchill/gobble to have someone push klick at the beginning of lylo.

I've been screaming we should lynch A50 or luv because of inactivity for the majority of the game but couldn't get it done so I had to vote other players.

Both Luca and icon have been against it. If the scum team is a50/luv then this is a special kind of hell Luca and klick have put me in.

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I try to TR Luca the entire game. I push klick in lylo because I tr Luca. Klick then provides the message from icon. Quotes ali's post....

OK its finally time to SR Luca. Well klick makes another great point that if it's luca/uzi that Luca just votes with me and gobble...

So now it has to be uzi/gobble.

Not once has Luca tried to meet me in the middle of any conversation this game. I don't get it.

I guarantee I will vote gobble next day phase after we lynch uzi.

If Luca votes me klick I swear to you town will lose.

Did you read my scum PTs like you said? Take a stand here klick. Don't encourage Luca to vote me.

I'm not scum.

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I did not case to compromise on lynching klick. That's stupid.

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See if I come out and say "OK I'll vote gobble here" Luca just says I'm conf scum. Why would I do that after tracking uzi? Then Luca votes me and we lose.

Idk how to try and work with Luca anymore.

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Either he has to vote uzi or he has to be OK with me entertaining the idea of voting gobble.

But DO NOT vote me

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VOTE: gobble

how old are you icon?

UNVOTE:

I'm checking out. I've been too toxic. Will keep post short and sweet until the end of the game. Being called egotistical set me off after the game was already pretty frustrating. I hope scum kill me. 1st game back in a year... What a way to get back into it.

let's kill datisi now

VOTE: Datisi

Datisi plz don't be mad. You are so far out of your town range by now but it's ok. You had a good scumgame.

the only time i've defended the A50/gobble sot is after the claim. the only reason i've defended it is because of the claim.

Luca i was mad at icon fake claiming cop for no reason. thats detrimental and why i gave him shit. to act like someone fake claiming vt in mass claim is on the same lvl of play is ludicrous.

I would have been happy to lynch gobble yesterday. I just wanted a lynch. Even after defending gobble i voted him. Icon in particualr wanted to switch back to datisi. I actually voted gobble though.

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if im scum with gobble i claimed a guilty on LUV effectively locking me into a 1v1 then pushed the guy that thought the scum team was LUV/Luca and that gobble was town instead of trying to get klick to vote with me on a luca/luv team.

this is the same principle of "Luca just votes Uzi/klick with tchill and gobble" that makes me have to tr luca here.

[Tchill13]

I propose we lynch uzi. Gobble guards klick. If I die klick/luca can vote gobble and this would prove to Luca I'm town.

If Luca dies I'll vote gobble with klick.

Either way it eliminates the Luca vs tchill debate because gobble is scum claiming if klick dies.

[Tchill13]

When talking about what you'd do as scum...

I'd claim vt during mass and claim something else during lylo.

I just don't get this at all from Town Even-Night Tracker Tchill knowing they are eventually going to do exactly that.

So scum tchill tells on himself right?

[Tchill13]

Did you actually read all my scum PTs or not?

[Tchill13]

Good. Read it all.

Yes, I go out of my way to state what I'd do as scum then do it occasionally. I like that style.

I also don't think this game lines up with my scum games though. I'm a man with a plan as scum. Way more sporadic as town.

Did you see where I voted gobble at the end of D2? And switched back because icon switched back to datisi.

[Tchill13]

Is my crumb not before I claim vt?

[Tchill13]

And please explain why I push you and luv as scum when I could have pushed Luca and luv as scum. Something you already believed.

[Tchill13]

No, it's after.

Well sorry, but that's my crumb. Apparently I didn't do it before this time.

[Tchill13]

How the hell wouldn't I be able to justify it?

Look at how easily I justified Luca scum right after you posted your Ali quote.

[Tchill13]

I have been going with whichever way the wind is blowing until a good enough point is presented.

[Tchill13]

I can easily make something out of Nothing. It's the worst part of my town game.

You seen the cases I made for you and Luca.

I seen a50s play as town. He fought mass claim (which think is usually a good idea to fight against) and he wasn't survivalistic at all.

I still think n3 BG claim is trash as scum. That said, ppl don't play scum the way I would.

It's not solid. None of those reasons are near as good as why I currently tr klick or Luca.

[Tchill13]

You had a reason to then - it was the option that was remaining with me being town. You had no reason to at the start of today, when you had stated from the start of the game that he was town.

Why don't I make the case I made for Luca after you were conf town.... Before you were conf town. Since you hard tr'd gobble on top of thinking it's luca/luv?

[Tchill13]

You're asking me to clear Luca on the fact that he could have voted uzi with me and gobble...

I'm asking you to clear me based on the fact I could have just cased Luca and got you to lynch. Much easier than casing you/luv to Luca who hard tr'd luv the entire game.

[Tchill13]

Is there any way you would compromise on an uzi lynch Luca?

And if not, is there anyway you compromise on a gobble lynch here?

Or would I be conf scum for entertaining the person I have a guilty on?

[Tchill13]

For entertaining not voting the scum I have a guilty on.

[Tchill13]

This game (and my play) have been fucked.

It's been too long. I was literally gonna lynch anyone.

I couldn't get the inactives lynched.

In spite of this I correctly read icon and flip. (the icon was a struggle)

Idc. I really don't care anymore. Fuck it.

I will vote gobble if Luca agrees to vote gobble. Klick has to know he won't be alive at this point though because it'll definitely be a luca/luv/tchill lylo.

[Tchill13]

Luca do you think fake claiming cop and fake claiming vt are similar?

[Tchill13]

OK so we're OK with a gobble lynch.

I'll need to hear klicks thoughts on this and then I'll decide if I'm gonna move my vote or not.

I'm seriously done with putting any effort into Luca.

[Tchill13]

Do you not get lynched immediately after gobble, particularly with me getting killed?

i think i do, but i dont know what else to suggest given luca refusing to vote uzi.

gobble/uzi doesn't exactly make sense either given gobble was pushing a Klick/uzi team at the beginning of lylo.

[Tchill13]

and i seriously have a hard time seeing a VT vote in lylo without anything solid to back it up.

literally "a token of fath" from luca.

scum is in tchill/luv and luca/gobble.

gun to my head its luv/luca.

luca is still suggesting a game state that has 1 pr given mine and gobble's claim are both false. luca voted in lylo with nothing concrete to back him up.

[Tchill13]

im tired of this game. i stopped having fun around pg 60. idc if town loses. I wanted to be night killed and save icon which is why i claimed twilight. I cant explain not crumbing b4 mass but i did crumb after (extremely sorry).

either way klick, i have been extremely impressed with your play now that i believe you're town. I've enjoyed playing with you and if you choose wrong here i wont hold it against you. I haven't made it easy for you to get this right.

all i ask is that you vote luv. gobble then votes luv.

im conf town on a luv scum flip. I'd personally want gobble to bg you so i can be killed and get out of this game. Then it'd be you/gobble/Luca

if i dont die i'll see it as a gobble scum claim and lynch him.

ifm your alive you can decide the game. i trust you more than myself at this point.

[Tchill13]

i said gun to my head its luca/luv.

it doens't benefit me to vote gobble