Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[jjh927]

Jjh what is your read on Eth0s?

He's towny in quite number of ways, and I don't doubt any of them at all because of how he pushed for elements

Okay so why do you think he’s this wrong on you?

People are allowed to be wrong

[jjh927]

I think me and eth0s have some different approaches to the game

[jjh927]

Less scum than TL, more scum than everyone else in the game

Because I'm getting flashbacks to the time when a load of people lynched scum!mastina while I said she was town because of some role stuff. I've realised I just don't really try to place mastina very hard

I know I have scum colored lenses on right now but this looks weird.

Which bit

[jjh927]

I mean it kinda is a cop-out because there is a mental barrier between me and putting effort into placing mastina

[jjh927]

Also all of my recent experience with her was scum!me successfully fooling her, which is actually a fairly unique position

[jjh927]

Eth0s, since it's not actually important any more because I think I misjudged mastina's thought process, what I was looking for was to see whether or not she suddenly started to scumread me

[jjh927]

Specifically because in one of those scumgames that fooled her, I was able to do a pretty damn good replication of my towngame as scum ONLY while being an unrecruited traitor, such that I got myself nightkilled by scum N1 except of course that recruited me, and then suddenly my motivation dropped again.

So, in other words, if Mastina was placing me via how I'm posting because of her awareness of how obvious the effect of my motivation to play a game on my posting is, talking about a traitor existing could have set off alarm bells. But it didn't because my posting here is so far beyond that

[jjh927]

What's changed since this

Okay here's where I'm at with TL. I think I physically feel a blood vessel popping in my head just trying to parse his recent posts. So forgive me if this seems heavy handed but even if I regret it later I am sticking to it.

I am going to QUICKHAMMER TL if he gets to L-1 at any point in Day 2

yes you read that right. All day one -- before it was interrupted abruptly with the bad korina lynch -- I had been trying to figure out how I am going to approach TL.

I thought to myself "do I just push a policy lynch?"
"do I wait to see some kind of behavior that differs from our last game?" (the alien talk trolling BS is the only think I have noticed here so far but that feels really weak)
"do I just ignore him and let the rest of the town decide his fate?"

like I said, I never got an answer before the day closed.

Now it's Day 2.
It's too late to policy lynch him so here is where I'm at.
If I see the differing behavior on a level that actually strikes me as AI, I'm going to deathtunnel that shit jjh style.
I can't ignore him anymore, he is actually triggering me.

SO I am left with two options in my mind.

I either avoid voting him like the plague until mylo/lylo where my working theory is that people will actually be able to somewhat read him based on PoE, OR if it comes to it, at least for the current dayphase I QUICKHAMMER HIM IF HE HITS L-1

I mentally can't try to sort that slot for the time being. Like I really just can't so

TREAT HIS L-2 LIKE AN L-1 AND GET HIS CLAIM THERE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF YOUR VOTE BECAUSE I SWEAR TO GOD I AM QUICKLYNCHING HIM IF YOU GIVE ME THE CHANCE

[jjh927]

So basically the issue is that you have developed a very hard scumread on me

[jjh927]

I'd love to talk you off of this but you keep coming back with weird shit, and you're right that nothing either me or mastina can say is likely to convince you, because you are excessively inclined to place additional value on your own logic and conclusions

Like, the SoaS and TD deaths make sense because I searched for a reason that they would make sense. You have no idea what is going through Chemist's head when he looks at my role because you don't know what my role is. You type out a lot of words and construct a large post that is a web of assumptions you can't make, and I feel like you've been effectively unphased by a lot of different very valid counterarguments. This is, ideally, a cooperative game. I think we're on the same team. I might want to meta-dive you in a bit because you are somehow legitimately concerning me with things I don't think should be in anyone's scumrange, due to how vehemently you are disagreeing with me on logic that doesn't stand.

[jjh927]

It's the consistency of it all that explains everything, tbh

You could have been scum because you somehow ended up on the right side of the Korina lynch with reasoning that I would still shoot down with hindsight, and you could feasibly have been scum bussing elements though that's less likely, but you're not because the reason we ended up on opposite sides there is that our playstyles are extremely different, and that has been consistently visible. And I don't think anyone could fake that kind of thing throughout the whole of a game

[jjh927]

Fuck why did your scumgame have to be good now I have to think again

[jjh927]

Damn I think I found the game which explains why we went about the two lynches so differently

[jjh927]

yeah you remain town

[jjh927]

The inventor is clearly not supposed to increase scum power or he wouldn't have given all his abilities to Chemist

[jjh927]

This, and all the flips so far having modifiers, is why I think TL has a modifier he is hiding from us

[jjh927]

New line of inquiry:

2037 is an awful post but TL seems to take something from it

[jjh927]

Modifiers

, not modified

Some sort of passive thing

Korina was Indecisive Conditional Self-Excluding
SoaS was informed and a backup
Elements was imprecise
TD's entire role was a modifier (copscetic)
My modifier is called sensitive

[jjh927]

I feel like you've gotta be purposefully not understanding a damn word I'm saying to you at this point

[jjh927]

And I have said probably half a dozen times by now that I do not believe you when you say that for the reasons I have given

[jjh927]

It is infuriating me to do so because I am growing more confident that you're just being obtuse on purpose here, but I'm gonna try to actually engage with you here

[jjh927]

Alright I have a strong probability that jjh is scum trying to call me scum for claiming a pure role based on "there aren't pure roles this game"

Explain your logic here without referencing your own claim

[jjh927]

It's quite unlikely for a game to have all modified roles.

This is actually the basis of my point.

Remember that this game was designed, and that design can have themes behind it.
When 5/13 of the role PMs I can see have a commonality like this, there's a strong likelihood of that being a common aspect of all roles in the setup.

[jjh927]

So, you not quite getting what I'm saying aside,

why does this particular push make me scum?

[jjh927]

One sec doing a double take

[jjh927]

Why is this not a perspective I can have as town

[jjh927]

Okay but why does any of this make more likely to be scum than town

[jjh927]

This is getting on for textbook omgus tbh

[jjh927]

Like, I don't see a reason you've given here other than that you think I'm likely to be scum because I'm voting you.

You acknowledge my perspective, and recognise that my arguments make sense and can be made by town. However, me using these arguments to push you, when their logical conclusion is that you are scum, somehow indicates to you that I am scum. Do hypothetical town in your head not follow logic through to its end? Or are you just calling me scum because I am calling you scum?

[jjh927]

It's not my only push on you and it's probably my weakest, but it keeps coming back up because you repeatedly acknowledge it with denials

[jjh927]

Is there anything that indicates to you that I don't actually believe it

[jjh927]

But how does that end in a scumread? I'm trying to see your thought process and there's just steps missing no matter how deep I look

[jjh927]

It looks like you're saying it's NAI but you're scumreading me for it

[jjh927]

That's stupid and you should be able to realise that's stupid

[jjh927]

I don't think I'm gonna be able to get any further down than this but I'll bite

What's scummy about me calling a nonsensical thought process stupid? We aren't superpositions of town and scum. You can't take a read on someone by averaging out possibilities you don't know the odds of

[jjh927]

Okay sure let's talk about Elbirn

Lemme dig up your case

[jjh927]

Muon or not, the onus is on you to back up your accusation, not on me

And I'm not here to peacock about how town I am, I'm here to kill bad guys

your push on mastina is scummy as all fuck, see 619, 714, and 1017 for examples.

1021 is vote shopping as you stop voting who is basically lockscum in your eyes and vote a weak SR instead.

1102 is a push but it feels like there's an ulterior motive (make mastina look scum)

1138 is a fake gladiator claim which amounts to you calling mastina guiltied scum

1141 is trying to control town votes

1189 is made of twigs and spit, the cases don't hold up

1219 is a very subtle shade attempt

eh here's my case so people can see that you bleed red

[jjh927]

Let's start with the beginning with the push on mastina because I don't see what you're saying is scummy about it

[jjh927]

Those are just words

Either it can be bussing or it can be ingenuine. It can't actually be both

[jjh927]

You can't bus someone without knowing for sure that they're scum

Let's work through this in specifics. What parts feel ingenuine to you?

[jjh927]

619 is a meaningless vote in twilight, 714 is 4 posts after daystart and based on the previous eod he was always gonna vote there, and I think posts like 1017 are just the kind of posts that someone like Elbirn makes


What specifically concerned you about Elbirn talking about Mastina at eod1?

[jjh927]

Those are just words again

I don't think Elbirn and Mastina are scum together. And it's not because of successful distancing. We lynched Elements and they're still at each other's throats

[jjh927]

Mastina probably just isn't scum anyway

[jjh927]

Back to Elbirn- what SPECIFICALLY was concerning about the eod 1

And I know this is hard work but I'm trying to see if we can generate reads here that are up to my standards

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

[jjh927]

Did you miss a page or two? You can join in if you like

[jjh927]

TL, you might be on to something there in that his vote there was kinda lazy. I dunno if it necessarily indicates he's scum but it's definitely worth asking him some questions when he next shows up

[jjh927]

Looking at the next stuff on the case those, I think 1102 might actually be one of the towniest posts Elbirn has made

[jjh927]

Looking at the next stuff on the case though, I think 1102 might actually be one of the towniest posts Elbirn has made

ebwop

[jjh927]

Yeah, I'm thinking Elbirn's mastina read over time makes a lot of sense. Early on it was because he interpreted her catchup as an attempt to feign involvement with the game. Which I think it actually was, it's just it comes down to Mastina needing to fake being involved with the game to herself until she actually gets involved with the game. And he started seeing other things that supported his theory of scum!mastina, and when he asked me about why she was town I couldn't give reasons which just added to suspicion overall.

I think Elbirn is most likely town tbh but who does that leave in the POE

[jjh927]

Yeah I don't like that answer tbh

[jjh927]

Looking at the next stuff on the case those, I think 1102 might actually be one of the towniest posts Elbirn has made

All I did was ask you why you townread mastina

You never answered and I REEE'd

Yeah and that's a pretty damn towny thing to do imo

[jjh927]

I think I'm benefiting from having to condense things to their bare essentials in order to productively converse with TL but that is just a side effect

[jjh927]

I'm not sure how you could read any of her recent posting and think she was town to be quite honest.

This was kind of something I wanted you to respond to, jjh. Help me understand how her recent posting comes from town.

Fuck not this again

This is proving to be difficult


There is a part of me that wants to point to some mechanical stuff because doing that is the easy way but it's also not doing it properly. But doing it properly makes me vulnerable to being wrong somewhere where I would particularly like to be right

[jjh927]

If I start going the other way;

I feel like you can figure that one out.


Also that is not a confirmed mason pair
Mastina claiming masons is a meme

To be honest the reason it took until basically this page for my scumread of you to be reversed is up until now your lack of commentary on the subject.

Speaking of which: my only other townread is Adorable, who I think might've legit townslipped.

Everyone else is varying degrees of scum, with Korina as scum of scums and TL the obvious partner. Can see almost anyone right now as the third.

This is the only post by mastina which makes me particularly concerned she might be scum

[jjh927]

Also I think this was pretty accurate

Jjh do you think scum!mastina white knights you here for towncred?

I think Mastina defends me in all situations regardless of both of our alignments

I think the reverse might actually be true as well, in that I might TR Mastina in all situations regardless of both of our alignments, which makes this particularly tricky for me.

[jjh927]

Menalque has been saying that mastina is a strong town player. I don't believe that posting comes from someone who is a strong town player. So, either mastina is not a strong town player, or mastina is not town. Mechanics play no role in my determining her alignment despite that I may have reason to believe so given her flavor claim.

She's disengaged and I genuinely believe that.

[jjh927]

If she were to show up in the middle of this discussion and be all caught up, I think we'd probably be able to call the game

[jjh927]

Fuck why did your scumgame have to be good now I have to think again

the one with fugitive?

Yeah rainforest
Is that an anomaly?

Damn I think I found the game which explains why we went about the two lynches so differently

What game?

Newbie 1844

[jjh927]

I'm not sure how mastina is scum other than "mastina is possibly a deepwolf so we have to be paranoid"

did you even read my jjh&mastina case

no

okay

1916

Read it and tell me your thoughts or else I am seeing this through.
VOTE: elements
I've given you the benefit of the doubt when I really don't have to so I don't think it's fair for you to try and shoot down my cases when you don't even fucking read them

Who were you actually trying to vote here

[jjh927]

No

VOTE: Elbirn

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

LET'S PLAY A GAME

consider TL/Mastina/JJH to all only require 4 votes to lynch, as I am quick hammering whichever one of them hits L-1 first. I will never vote anyone outside of those three today. Good luck have fun

[jjh927]

You just voted the least likely of your 3 options to be lynched today

[jjh927]

Except it looked to me like you were trying to act like this was panic induced by the looming deadline, which it can't be

[jjh927]

Come at me

We have well over 24 hours and I'd like to see you have a go at me without piggybacking on other people's general suspicions of me

[jjh927]

On day 4 I power up all roles in the game

[jjh927]

I am a sensitive day 4 mass developer

[jjh927]

This has driven an awful lot of my speculative play

[jjh927]

I am willing to go back to TL again

You don't have to skim my iso to remember what I was like day 1, and I thought we'd made some progress on developing higher order thinking skills

[jjh927]

On day 4 I power up all roles in the game

What does powering up roles do? When you say "all roles" does this mean both roles for town and scum?

I think it's different for everyone, but my main theory regards the modifiers damn near everyone has

Yes, all roles generally tends to mean that

[jjh927]

I said I was a day 4 role a long time ago and I've really not been liking some of the more opportunistic pushes on me for that reason

[jjh927]

If you want to know why it's a town role, do some maths

It powers up all roles in the game. There are a lot more town than scum in the game. If we no lynch here and assume 3 scum, I power up 6 town and 2 scum, and maaybe remove the sensitive modifier from myself if my hunch on what I power up is right? If I was scum that'd be 7 town and 1 scum powered up here.

It's also got this sensitive modifier attached to it, making it more likely that I die before I do the thing.

[jjh927]

On day 4 I power up all roles in the game

What does powering up roles do? When you say "all roles" does this mean both roles for town and scum?

I think it's different for everyone, but my main theory regards the modifiers damn near everyone has

Yes, all roles generally tends to mean that

Your role PM should provide at least some specificity as to what "powering up" means. You should be able to paraphrase that per the mod's ruleset. I'll pretend to ignore the snark since debating that isn't actually helpful.

Nope! I am just told that I enhance all living roles in the setup if I'm alive at the start of day 4

[jjh927]

Have I claimed to be a pizza saver yet because that's what I am

Apparently I'm keeping the setup fresh even though all a pizza saver does is stop the cardboard touching the pizza

[jjh927]

VOTE: TL

[jjh927]

Instead of what? I'm either still going to vote jjh, you, or elbirn. That doesn't mean I can't try to figure out what's going on before I contribute to ending the day.

p-edit what does sensitive mean in this context

If I take damage I die, rather than having 2hp like everyone else

[jjh927]

I thought people were paying attention to my earlier claim

[jjh927]

It's only ostensibly naked I just have better things to do right now

[jjh927]

He seems to have the memory of a goldfish

[jjh927]

That's not the strongest argument for me telling the truth

The strongest argument for me telling the truth is that CHEMIST ROLECOPPED ME

[jjh927]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

Eth0s didn't claim scum

[jjh927]

Actually why am I responding to you in words rather than jjba reaction images

[jjh927]

is everyone going to ignore that eth0s claimed scum?

[jjh927]

I must be reading 2259 wrong then...

[jjh927]

Nobody's gonna understand this but I'm still jjbaposting for my own sanity

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

https://jojo.fandom.com/wiki/Jail_House_Lock

[jjh927]

I think we have more than 1 protective going atm fwiw

[jjh927]

Why is a single post-hammer "I was town" enough for you to assume someone is town

[jjh927]

I don't think TL needs incentive

[jjh927]

I won't believe either way till I see the flip tbh

[jjh927]

ESPECIALLY when it's fuckin Elbirn he was talking to

[jjh927]

Once I thought I was gonna flip blue but I flipped purple instead

[jjh927]

Okay so before I was hyped for the flip but now I'm HYPED for the flip

[jjh927]

No we're just waiting for TL to flip


Those fools made me fullclaim

[jjh927]

Actually can you verify my claim for me

[jjh927]

Nice

[jjh927]

I don't think Eth0s would have made it past massclaim but yeah that's a damn good shot

[jjh927]

Oh I'd have lynched the fuck out of a claim like that

[jjh927]

Oh I'd have lynched the fuck out of a claim like that

Although I guess this is pretty easy to say with hindsight

But still, lie detection on fakeclaims is my thing

[jjh927]

TL flipping disloyal was absolutely beautiful

[jjh927]

I really wanna see the scum PT asap

Also who successfully protected against the final scumkill?

Was it Chemist with the doctor? Or Chemist with the roleblock? Or Mastina with whatever protective role she had?

[jjh927]

I roleblocked suji last night tho? so um

oops

lmao

[jjh927]

Why would you do that

I figured suji probably had the only role in the game that actually used the damage mechanic, and thus was effectively a vig

[jjh927]

I really wanna see the scum PT asap

Also who successfully protected against the final scumkill?

Was it Chemist with the doctor? Or Chemist with the roleblock? Or Mastina with whatever protective role she had?

I doctored you so maybe?

I'd have protected someone else if I were you after Mastina hinted heavily at continuing to protect me

[jjh927]

That being said, we were about to go into massclaim, I was about to power everyone up, and I don't think anyone would have lynched me after the TL flip, so I was a pretty optimal kill

[jjh927]

After the TL flip I had a bit of a theory about a bus driver existing but I'm not sure about it

[jjh927]

I'll give you strong odds on Adorable

[jjh927]

Adorable was the one person in the game who could claim motivator without me assuming they were scum for targeting TL N1

[jjh927]

Oh this deduction seems less impressive when you look at POE for who the motivator could be

[jjh927]

I targeted elements, mastina, adorable

So mastina was Rb’d last night

So THAT's why Mastina strongly hinted at protecting me again

Because she wasn't gonna be able to

[jjh927]

I might have got to Eth0s scum but I think only in mylo/lylo and even then idk for sure

I might have been able to swing you on him fakeclaiming. He was locked into a very questionable fakeclaim that wouldn't hold up to setup spec as being town even if it was true, and he'd have had to have faked how it got powered up too.

Would she have known in advance tho?

I assume based on that flavour description you gave that yes. There's a meaningful game design difference between being unable to act and being blocked from acting

[jjh927]

Again, massclaim would have solved this problem

Suji was the vig in the setup

[jjh927]

I think I recall you mentioning that I suddenly stopped pushing Suji at day 3 but I didn't want to give scum any ideas

[jjh927]

In hindsight the fact that his power was super fuckin similar to mine should have been an alarm bell
We claimed in our pt and although he said disloyal jailkeeper I was actually thinking in my head all game that it was roleblocker
And it never occurred to me “hmm, two roleblockers for town is kinda weird actually”

I don't know why Gamma didn't just call ethos's role an Alien because combined roleblocker/rolestopper is an existing role, Alien, which has been around onsite since before I joined (it predates 2008), and which has been Normalized as a whitelisted role.

Calling it combined makes it fit in with all those modifiers

I could see it plausibly powering up to separate roleblocking and rolestopping

[jjh927]

It probably didn't though

[jjh927]

Mastina, what was your role

[jjh927]

So your entire role was to undo what the vig did

You'd probably have got more out of getting powered up by most


Also yeah there's nothing there that I would consider a modifier

[jjh927]

Shit so why did deb have a backup that was probably of that

[jjh927]

I guess you would heal people who targeted Elbirn too

But most of the town power seemed to be given out by scum!TL to Chemist even though that was fairly short-sighted scumplay

[jjh927]

Did anyone who scumread me at any point in this game actually meta me at all?

[jjh927]

You might want to revisit your case on me and my rebuttal to it with hindsight, menalque

[jjh927]

Especially considering you came up with that case on me because I was diverting attention away from EP and onto TL

[jjh927]

I don't really think I should have had to fullclaim in order to get TL lynched there over myself but it's acceptable because Eth0s was angling for that

[jjh927]

I’m really interested to read the scum pt tbh

Yeah I REALLY want to see it

[jjh927]

I need to know why they killed my dude deb

[jjh927]

Also I want to see the reaction to me correctly identifying TL as disloyal

[jjh927]

This is another example of neighbour powers tending to lead towards TRs

This doesn't have to happen. Just being aware of the psychology that leads to this kind of thing is a step in the right direction. Good use of PTs tends to be cooperative, and cooperating tends to lead to you thinking someone is aligned with you. Factor in that it is generally easier for someone to tailor manipulation to an individual than to a part of a group.

I think my ability to place people in PTs is well above my reads in main thread

[jjh927]

What do you think I was doing wrong in terms of thinking to arrive at scum!jjh? (@mastina but also @jjh)

Like I know I was wrong but I don’t necessarily see how I could have avoided SRing him there after the kori lynch and the initial aggression towards my slot

My initial aggression towards your slot was entirely because you immediately scumread me when you came in after the Korina lynch with no regard for the actual reasoning behind the lynch. I think if you'd looked harder at the actual reasons for why we lynched Korina, and furthermore realised that it wasn't at all my fault that the quickhammer occurred because Korina fucking self hammered, we wouldn't have been in that mess.

To reiterate that point, Korina self hammered and you blamed a mislynch that hadn't flipped yet entirely on me for exposing a lie that never should have been told

[jjh927]

To what extent was that manipulated by Eth0s?

[jjh927]

I think your tunnel on mastina was probably the only negative thing I can think of about your play though

You even shot a deepwolf

[jjh927]

Also who successfully protected against the final scumkill?

That actually didn't happen but schadd only posted the relevant kill so lol
Yeah schadd was a help but I need to leave better instructions for my backup mod next time

Who died?

jjh

Does that mean Eth0s roleblocked Chemist?

[jjh927]

Menalque, do you think you'd have suspected Eth0s if I'd died and Chemist had claimed to have doctored me

[jjh927]

Menalque, do you think you'd have suspected Eth0s if I'd died and Chemist had claimed to have doctored me

I think so, just from you town flipping and knowing that eth0s was some form of roleblocker

He'd have had such a hard D4 to get past between that and having to make up a different target because claiming to have targeted Chemist would have been a straight up scumclaim

[jjh927]

Like, I'm trying to figure out what the plan would be there

But anyone he claimed to have targeted would have been mechanically cleared
Meanwhile, anyone you targeted the night before would be mechanically cleared

[jjh927]

Jailkeeper is just not a claim solo scum can bring to lylo from that point

Also if he'd claimed to have targeted Elbirn, which is what I would expect, he'd have got caught out at massclaim when people added up the damage

I think he needed to kill you so he could start with a fresh claim there

[jjh927]

I guess he would claim he targeted chem bc chem was conf!town and he thought chem would be the NK bc of that?

He could argue that but it'd be a scumclaim because Chemist had both a roleblock and a doctor, and a jailkeeper would be best used trying to roleblock scum.

[jjh927]

I can't be the only one who assumed D4 was gonna be massclaim after we flipped a second scum

[jjh927]

Right, yeah, so him being locked in to claiming the role he claimed to you would seriously disadvantage him when all the options I can conceive of would then point to scum!Eth0s

[jjh927]

Wait didn't you say he claimed disloyal as well lmao

[jjh927]

Fuck me I think that's a literally impossible situation for him to get out of without killing you so he can claim something else

[jjh927]

Where's a scumbutt when you need one I wanna know why they killed deb

[jjh927]

You could probably work on detecting fakeclaims better, considering.

Like, I'd put that firmly outside of the strength ceiling for reasonable roles to exist; it's a roleblocker, but with no risk of blocking a town PR, and also it can hard guilty scum even when it's not actually blocking them from killing.

Compare with your own role PM for context regarding the expected power level of the setup. You also have a roleblocker but it's waaay weaker. Setup spec could well have indicated that if Eth0s did have a roleblocking ability of some sort then he would be scum, especially after TL claimed.


There are other cues to this being a lie that are just clumsy, such as the same thing I noticed with TL's claim. If you look at your role PM, where it gives you the name of your role, it doesn't say "Town X". It just says "X." So that's not someone taking the name of their role off of their role PM.

[jjh927]

Bussing elements was actually the only reason I TRed you
The Korina stuff was a negative, but it was consistent with how you'd played the rest of the game

[jjh927]

It's the consistency of it all that explains everything, tbh

You could have been scum because you somehow ended up on the right side of the Korina lynch with reasoning that I would still shoot down with hindsight, and you could feasibly have been scum bussing elements though that's less likely, but you're not because the reason we ended up on opposite sides there is that our playstyles are extremely different, and that has been consistently visible. And I don't think anyone could fake that kind of thing throughout the whole of a game

[jjh927]

Then in the next couple of posts I metadived you, discarded that angle to some degree, but decided you were town anyway before trying to engage with TL as though he was town in order to place him better in a short and sudden mood of pure engagement

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Although you didnt agree with the korina logic you really think it was likely to come from scum? I mean obviously it did but I spent a few hours devising a stance that I personally would have found very compelling as town.

I think you and I truly do have different playstyles and overall you are more knowledgeable than me by a good margin when it comes to setup and stuff like that. I mean no offense when I ask if you are perhaps biased since I spent the majority of the game sharing you over the korina thing

If we ignore that the logic itself didn't hold but you didn't really do anything about my rebuttal, I think I raised that you focused on the mechanics of why we shouldn't lynch Korina at that moment in time rather than actually arguing that Korina was town.

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I definitely didn't actually catch you though. You played a very good scumgame aside from bussing your teammates and locking yourself into that claim with Menalque. Would have just all come together in massclaim if I was still alive and the game was still going

[jjh927]

Claiming that would have completely cleared suji to me at least

[jjh927]

I made a role doing a similar thing with the letters MILK in a game Gamma was in

[jjh927]

You should have killed me instead of deb

I am extremely difficult to mislynch

[jjh927]

You got impressively close, but

town!me has been mislynched twice. Once when I went rather inactive for reasons unrelated to my role and got lynched quite justifiably because it was nothing like my town meta and everything like my scum meta at the time. And once when I replaced into an unclaimed miller slot on day 3, and that was even a really bad mislynch on town's part.

[jjh927]

You should have killed me instead of deb

I am extremely difficult to mislynch

25% failure chance from bloodhound fucked us. You were gonna die n2 if we knew you could power everyone up

It was an alignment check though, not a role check?

[jjh927]

I don't think anyone was 3p

this was a 13 player game with 3 scum and fairly low town power

[jjh927]

That was a role you were supposed to get towncred for trueclaiming, while giving you a plausible out to getting results every day

Combine that with the inventor who can make a rolecop and suddenly you've got chains of clearing yourselves

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Like, you could have had TL NOT give anything out in N1 but pretend he gave you a rolecop
then, provided you didn't bus elements, you pretend you rolecopped him in N2

[jjh927]

(how long should I wait to officially talk about my next planned modded game)

Talk about it whenever but don't run anything until you actually have time to run a game from start to finish

I've been talking about running Kenshi Mafia for like 8 months now and it's happening some time in 2020, but that's not the next game I'm running (I actually just inned to mod a skyrim mod upick) because the large queue is saturated and also I need to be in the right place to run a large mechanical game

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Yeah damn I posted the advertisement for Kenshi Mafia on the 1st March

Setup's been done for 2 and a half months now but sometimes you just have to wait until you can guarantee you can moderate your game for its full duration to a good standard, and it's a large so it'll take a while to play out.

PEdit: The skyrim mod upick is 13p. Not in signups anywhere near now but you can pre-in.

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/in to mod

Game Name:

Skyrim Mod uPick

Flavor/Mechanics:

Send me the names of 3 different skyrim mods when you /in and you'll get a role PM based on one of them. The game's flavour is trying to figure out which mods are causing the game to crash and removing them.

Your Experience:

Look at my banner

Current Modding Commitments:

Nope

Reviewed By:

I'll get someone if I feel like it, or if someone particularly wants to review.

Back-Up or Co-Mod:

Probably won't have one tbh

Number of Players:

13

Hydrae:

Yes

Restrictions:

No experience requirements, but I do reserve the right to wotm

Is it possible your game has any of the following bastard roles or mechanics?

No.

This is a very not busy time in my life and thus I anticipate a fairly quick game design phase

It's been so long since I last designed a upick that I've forgotten how much I have to think when I design them
It should be easier than upicketypicketypick or that fucking bread upick I ran though

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Could you PM me or link me details for skyrim because I might pre in.

This was my first upick so idk if i should expect about the same thing or not from other upicks

I'd say there are 3 distinct types of upick;

There's a basic one where you just have roles based on your pick. It's a fairly standard theme game, but it's fun because you get to influence the role PM you get with something you think is cool or funny. That bread upick I mentioned is a good example.
There's the type building on that with some kind of setup mechanic to it. This game went there to some extent, but Spring Fever, the first game I played on site, is a very good example.
And there's the lolbalance type where you go totally over the top with mechanics and it's very swingy and mostly about having fun. Here's uPicketyPicketyPick, although naturally the real master of lolbalance, and who I believe introduced minigames as a thing, is Alisae.

This is of course ignoring the difference between specifically themed upicks and anything upicks because it's not really that meaningful a difference in terms of game design.


The skyrim mod upick will be either the first or second type. I'm not doing anything with minigames for at least a good while. They're a lot of effort, and when I'm feeling particularly creative in mafia terms these days I'm writing a heavily flavour based game instead.