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[skitter30]

Like i think it's hard to fake the indignation that jamelia displays when they say the egg will be on tictac's face when jamelia flips town

They're very confident that they *won't* flip red, and i think it's hard for scum to fake that confidentally

[skitter30]

*to fake it that confidentally

Like it doesnt read as bravado, but real

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.15

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith

(3): Jamelia, skitter30, tictac

january

(2): Vorkuta, Zenith

GeorgeBailey

(1): DrDolittle

Jamelia

(1): january

Not Voting

(2): Suspicious, GeorgeBailey

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-27 08:30:00).

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[Suspicious]

i'd like someone's thoughts on this ^^ if anyone's online

kinda scared i'm just confirmation-biasing reads now... but it feels right...

Jamelia never presented reads outside of being uneasy regarding your slot being new yet speaking as a veteran--which was cleared up when you clarified your prior experience--and scum-leaning Zen. Per their own admission, they didn't have many reads to give on any situations and the tunnel by tictac dissuaded them from pursuing anything; they became locked in on trying to defend themselves.

It looks more like, in #338, you're digging to make things crop up so Jamelia is locked as the lynch today. They haven't implied tic as scum or town previously, and if anything the implication here is that Jamelia is giving them a town pass; they claim tic's arguments are off-base, even though they could be coming from a town POV, and they'll look poor in hindsight for following through. Town/mafia alike can get bad looks for lynches that go poorly, so I don't know why you seem to imply it's a scum-exclusive remark to make.

w/r/t #284, the ending bit there probably refers to tic's login time argument, which Jamelia has been vocally against. It's shaky ground to stand on and I agree it's poor basis for an argument, and it noticeably brings a lot of frustration out of Jam. I don't think scum collapses this easily, basically taunts town by saying they'll look stupid, then exits the site.

And I understand that this is still nitpicky, but every time you make these disclaimers it pings me the wrong way. I don't think you can call out anyone for not confidently stating a read when all of yours come with safeguards attached.

[Suspicious]

George is on the scummy side of null, their posts feel affected. Is English your first language

Been putting that down to "Roleplay account"
I'm finnish fyi.

Roleplay accounts are terrible for this exact reason; their behavior can be excused because it stays in line with their 'character,' and if the account happens to be a town slot, that same behavior is weaponized to craft a mislynch. It's never pleasant to play with, and even with mislynch potential, I'd favor pushing them out of character rather than giving them passes.

[Suspicious]

@zen effort is very AI imo.

In an ideal world, true, but there are a horde of games that act as counter-arguments, where lurking/under-achieving town were used as easy mislynches. Inactive slots are always a risk and not enjoyable to play with.

[Suspicious]

Sure
Click on the activity overview button

yeah vork is town

Or they recognized an obvious trap and sidestepped it. Not AI here.

[GeorgeBailey]

George is on the scummy side of null, their posts feel affected. Is English your first language

Been putting that down to "Roleplay account"
I'm finnish fyi.

Roleplay accounts are terrible for this exact reason; their behavior can be excused because it stays in line with their 'character,' and if the account happens to be a town slot, that same behavior is weaponized to craft a mislynch. It's never pleasant to play with, and even with mislynch potential, I'd favor pushing them out of character rather than giving them passes.

Lmao i'm not a role play account. My writing skills just aren't the greatest

Spoiler:

( it's why i'm taking computer science, and that's why he have to take a mandatory writing course

GeorgeBailey is just the usual name I use for Mafia/Werewolf Game variants.

But that aside

,

isn't what Bailey literally claimed to be doing?

I'm guessing you mean

While voting someone who isn't active is a pretty shitty way to get an alignment, I just hope it'll get something out of him. Same with Vork. But at least Vork had reads, CJ hasn't really done anything. I really hope this changes if a wagon is started on CJ. As for Jan's points against Jam, lynching someone to read reactions between posts seems odd, and she even said

But that vote was more to apply pressure. And I unvoted since the point of it was nullified.
I'm pretty much with Suspicious on Jamelia's case. Scum wouldn't just give up, and he sounds frustrated from tictac's meta arguments.
January's point about "voting doesn't give newb a chance to talk" makes no sense. Pressure gives newbs more incentive to talk. Voting is one of the best ways to apply pressure.

I agree on these points by Skitter's on why Zenith is scum:

- no indication of townreading tictac
- no indication of scumreading whoever the vote was on

I'm standing by #181

...Probably Zenith.

VOTE: Zenith

Putting him at

L-1

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[Jamelia]

I apologize for my non-notified V/LA. I had some emergency personal
problems happen IRL. I think you can tell by my pointed/harsh posts before I left that something was going on.

I understand the claims against me and I hope that I can prove myself to be helpful for us moving forward. If that’s not the case, I can prod out and be replaced by someone who can be more helpful.

Again, I want to apologize to those who have been playing and active. This is not my character to just leave out of no where.

[Zenith]

What do you mean by "no indication of townreading tictac"? It's right there plainly visible in the same post as my sheep vote, so I don't see how you could miss it.

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

[Jamelia]

What do you mean by "no indication of townreading tictac"? It's right there plainly visible in the same post as my sheep vote, so I don't see how you could miss it.

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

Liking someone’s content does not imply you townread them

[Zenith]

Uhmmm what? Liking someone's recent content and sheeping them does imply that I town read them. Why would I make post #217 If I though tictac is scum?

[Zenith]

I mean, I doubt I could have implied a tictac townread more strongly than I did without flat out saying that I townread tictac.

[Jamelia]

Uhmmm what? Liking someone's recent content and sheeping them does imply that I town read them. Why would I make post #217 If I though tictac is scum?

Because like you said, if you townread them you could have just said so.

Also UNVOTE:

[Jamelia]

UNVOTE: .

[DrDolittle]

GB you have nothing new after 181?
I really really dislike the zen wagon

[DrDolittle]

Like i think it's hard to fake the indignation that jamelia displays when they say the egg will be on tictac's face when jamelia flips town

They're very confident that they *won't* flip red, and i think it's hard for scum to fake that confidentally

Idts. Posts like this are not AI IMO. Like being confident you yourself wont flip red is the first rule of mafia

[Jamelia]

GB you have nothing new after 181?
I really really dislike the zen wagon

I do too. I think this Zen/Tic vs. Susp/Jam fest went on way too long without someone outside of it picking a side besides January.

Tic voting for Zen is very interesting to me. If I’m wrong, does lynching zen mean I’m scum if zen is town? And if I get lynched and flip green, zen is scum? That doesn’t add up to me

[DrDolittle]

meanwhile I like his L-1, and the fact that he thought it was L-2...

This is the main thing that i see in that post beyond 'i dont think his posts are scummy' which is ... not helpful?

I'm not sure why this is townie either

Scum pays more attn to Lynch-related details. I think this is a huge tell.
Meanwhile, Zen has done nothing of sorts to ping me as scum; his reaction to pressure "I am town" is deeply townie too me.
And there are certain posts that I liked in particular I recall; let me ISO quickly

[DrDolittle]

UNVOTE: .

I actually quite like this unvote. Scum-Jamelia would have little reason to come in, and can use the excuse to continue to lurk the game state... hoping for a lynch on zen. (unless zen-jam are partners, which is probabilistic ally unlikely)

[skitter30]

Suspicious did you say how much mafia experience you have?

[skitter30]

I apologize for my non-notified V/LA. I had some emergency personal
problems happen IRL. I think you can tell by my pointed/harsh posts before I left that something was going on.

A) i hope everything is ok!!!
B) ok then the confidence/tone thing i was townreading you for before is probably less ai

[skitter30]

What do you mean by "no indication of townreading tictac"? It's right there plainly visible in the same post as my sheep vote, so I don't see how you could miss it.

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

I meant no indication before that post

[skitter30]

Like i think it's hard to fake the indignation that jamelia displays when they say the egg will be on tictac's face when jamelia flips town

They're very confident that they *won't* flip red, and i think it's hard for scum to fake that confidentally

Idts. Posts like this are not AI IMO. Like being confident you yourself wont flip red is the first rule of mafia

I dont think most people can fake it that well

Either way due to his irl circumstances i'm no longer sure it's ai

[DrDolittle]

I pulled out 3 that I like in particular, skitter

I could turn it around on you and tell you to read my ISO for your answers. I won't, but maybe this will help you see how ridiculous you are being?

This reads genuine at the impasse that sus and zen is going through. Like zen is trying to sort and read suspicious and its not working out and vice versa. The interaction feels tvt to me.

I mean seriously you're not making any sense.

You asked me a question i had already answered, so I answered it again. Somehow that wasn't good enough, so I answered a third time with clarification to make it as clear as possible. Like, there's nothing to defend there, and how am I dodging when I answered the same ducking question 3 times??

If anyone is insulting you, it's you insulting yourself. You're like a broken record of falsely accusing me of doing the things that you have done. I could go through and point out a list of such activity, but I'm not really in the mood to re-read that mess of a back and forth right now. Maybe I'll get around to that eventually if someone insist, but right now I've got a fever and dealing with your crazy isn't helping.

And the interactions post is not feigned - it has progression to the escalation of frustration.

Lynching inactive players or null reads is a pretty bad idea, and should be a last resort, done only to prevent a no-lynch if there are no scum reads. Even then, lynching someone for inactivity isn't much better than having a day end in no-lynch. Is much preferable for inactive players to get replaced rather than lynched.

I like this too. I think New-scum doesn't back out of lynching anyone on the table, and targeting lurkers and inactives are an especially good tastey