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Post Post #2199 (isolation #400) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:08 pm

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i'm pretty sure an event like that sticks in your head for next time

but is that allignment indicative? could easily do that as either
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Post Post #2200 (isolation #401) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:09 pm

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that's the problem i have with these 'crumbs'

i'm sure if i dig into my iso i can probably find 'crumbs' for any range of PR's with some inspirational effort
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #402) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:30 pm

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but you Always claim tracker to get the real tracker in the open and still have a shot at the 1v1
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Post Post #2204 (isolation #403) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:38 pm

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In post 2203, Datisi wrote:why the fuck did nobody claim tracker
actual title of the game
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Post Post #2207 (isolation #404) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:51 pm

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i mean those friendships are about to be beaten into submission with the LYLO we are facing :s
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #405) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:52 pm

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i can think of reasons for every single one of you why you aren't scum this game
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Post Post #2209 (isolation #406) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:53 pm

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emps claiming after his play throughout the game is the weakest tho
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Post Post #2211 (isolation #407) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:08 pm

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spewing out thoughts as they came
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #408) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:10 pm

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In post 2125, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2100, Iconeum wrote:backup tracker
informed
FN
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someone in here is lying because i don't believe there's gonna be 4 town PR in a 9 p game
like, one of the claims is
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there's confscum in (emps/luca)
i talked about your remark here was well
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Post Post #2218 (isolation #409) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:38 pm

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Luca: 'its emp and icon'
Luca: 'icon killed in the 2 players he thinks were the tracker'

also Luca: 'scum emps roleblocked datisi'
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Post Post #2225 (isolation #410) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:16 am

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you were informed of who was the backup as well?
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Post Post #2226 (isolation #411) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:17 am

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not just 'there is backup tracker in the game confirmed?'
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Post Post #2228 (isolation #412) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:38 am

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In post 2227, Luca Blight wrote:Yes I was informed Aldu was the town back up Tracker.
that gives town 2 confirmed towns on D2 with a little luck

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Post Post #2229 (isolation #413) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:40 am

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and then supposedly a doc to keep them safe lol
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Post Post #2231 (isolation #414) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:43 am

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In post 2230, Datisi wrote:well, not necessarily, nothing there proving Luca's Town.

pedit: there's at least one liar there fypov lmao
2 conftown : the FN and the backup tracker

also, supposedly
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Post Post #2233 (isolation #415) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:51 am

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i've thought about it

but that's like

both of them faking, 1 serious 1 easier and hoping to take one of them into 3p lylo

and also if they are both fake that leaves town with what

a FN
and a backup tracker

that's only possible vs like 2 goons?
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Post Post #2234 (isolation #416) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:51 am

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not to mention that luca comes into this day with a heavy bus on emps
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Post Post #2235 (isolation #417) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:52 am

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it's possible, because if there are 2 goons they *know* town is gonna be limited in power, and they might try this

but it's at the very limits of being possible i think
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Post Post #2236 (isolation #418) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:53 am

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dats i think i know exactly what ur thinking lol
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Post Post #2238 (isolation #419) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:56 am

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In post 2237, Datisi wrote:If we can collectively agree that one scum claims PR and one claims VT, then this game becomes much easier. But I'm not willing to bet the game on that.
i'm looking at it from a different perspective

i think i can assume both scum don't claim vt
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Post Post #2239 (isolation #420) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:56 am

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which doesn't make sense lol

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Post Post #2241 (isolation #421) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:00 am

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if it's luca/emps then they decided 1 claims a pr that fits, and the other something powerfull

luca hard busses the claimed doc, gets all the credit, coasts to 3p lylo and wins the game from there

it's not impossible but why doc over tracker

i mean it's such an unlikely claim that i have a hard time believing it comes from scum
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Post Post #2242 (isolation #422) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:03 am

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In post 2240, Datisi wrote:Luca/emps. They're undecided between Icon and alimdia being the Tracker. They bet on alimdia, they miss.

Luca's ready to cc Icon's Tracker claim. Icon claims VT. ohshit.jpg Dat's the Tracker plan B claim some informed shit.

Dats claims VT.

Pedit: i mean from both our povs scum don't both claim VT :P
god i hope this is true because of the potential memes alone
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #423) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:04 am

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actual footage of luca reading Datisi's VT claim

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Post Post #2245 (isolation #424) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:05 am

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lemme see if luca has progression that make sense for this
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Post Post #2247 (isolation #425) » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:08 am

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there's a couple good posts in Luca ISO where he is warming up to a scumread on me

combined with how he had emps very low on his readlist during most of the game but when i talked about emps being a bad lynch he agreed there

not enough time right now to fully case this but it's there and i can do it after the weekend
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Post Post #2425 (isolation #426) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:04 pm

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alright let's start catching up
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Post Post #2427 (isolation #427) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:31 pm

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In post 2270, Luca Blight wrote:There is confirmed one scum in me and emps, and confirmed one scum in Icon Datisi.

Me and emps cannot be partners, because for that to happen the game would only contain: friendly neighbour and a useless back-up Tracker. Not only useless but actually detrimental to town, as there would be nothing to back up his claim. This situation is impossible: me and emps are therefore not partners, but one of us is scum, because otherwise Town is too powerful.

It’s also basically confirmed me and Datisi are not partners as well, given we were both last to claim and neither of us hesitated in claiming or claimed Tracker. So the only slight possibility of me being scum here is if I’m scum with Icon, but there still stands the point that Aldu’s power is anti-Town without my PR.
The entirety of this post is Bad with a capital B. It's based on speculation, setup speculation and WIFOM.
In post 2280, Wickedestjr wrote:I'm considering the possibility that Luca is an Informed Mafia Goon. Perhaps he is telling the truth about everything except for his alignment. From a setup standpoint, it would explain a lot:
  • It gives purpose to Aldu's role.
  • Aldu's role serves as a weird distraction for both town and scum, so it's fair.
  • Scum are informed about a town-aligned power role, but it's a weak power role and they only find out on day 2 so it's not a mega game changer for them.
  • The setup wouldn't have three confirmable players. It could conceivably just be a FN, named townie, and doctor which doesn't seem over powered.
  • It explains how Luca-scum could claim so quickly.
Nobody's mentioned it yet, but the Aldu kill also slightly implicates Luca because Aldu was voting him.
Fun fact: Datisi coasted the last game we played in with her as scum by claiming her actual role as scum.
In post 2379, Luca Blight wrote:I wasn’t expecting you to attack Icon during his V/LA, it was more the interaction before his V/la where you both seemed unusually relaxed despite knowing the other was very likely to be scum. I’m about to sleep so will elaborate on this tomorrow.
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Post Post #2428 (isolation #428) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:34 pm

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Luca's been setting up a potential lynch on me from the previous day after townreading me for the rest of the game

then he comes into today with a hard scumread on me, and it wasn't until later in this dayphase he started considering scum!datisi but only AFTER he saw there was a potential mislynch there

so it's luca/emps most likely

does that leave town weak? yes
is that unbalanced? not if there's 2 goons

so i don't wanna read anything even related to 'this isn't POSSIBLE because setup'

i'm casing what i'm writing in this post right now
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Post Post #2432 (isolation #429) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:39 pm

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In post 2429, Datisi wrote:
In post 2341, Datisi wrote:Here goes. VOTE: Iconeum

Both Luca/emps have to be posting at the relatively same time. No use just one posting lol
icon stop wasting your time on Luca/emps case and vote me already
what is this even
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Post Post #2433 (isolation #430) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:40 pm

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In post 2431, Luca Blight wrote:Before you waste time on your case, you should probably know that emps and I are confirmed not partners, because Datisi voted you.

And I townread you up until the mass-claim was finished, please don't misrep me.
There's no such thing as confirmed not partners. There just isn't. THAT is the misrep here.

And also, i said I was in the process of casing what I said. You can judge yourself when I'm done with that :)
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Post Post #2436 (isolation #431) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:42 pm

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The entire assumption of emps/luca not being scum is that they would ALWAYS attempt a double-vote quickhammer while KNOWING datisi is here?

That's just bad mkay

why would they risk everything on a technical manouver when there's other options available to them
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Post Post #2437 (isolation #432) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:43 pm

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In post 2435, Datisi wrote:Icon, my vote's been sitting on you for longer than 24 hours. But you know what, sure, go ahead. Just what we need. More page inflation.
ur either scum trying to look like town baiting, or ur town actually baiting

if the first, then town is gonna be clever enough not to risk an L-1 yet

if the second, then scum isn't gonna be stoopid enough to hammer and risk their entire game being compromised on things like timing
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Post Post #2440 (isolation #433) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:52 pm

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In post 2439, Datisi wrote:I have voted you 30 goddamn hours ago. I have not been online constantly refreshing for those entire 30 hours. They haven't even attempted to try to organize a quickhammer.

Like... I'm genuinely unsure of what to say here. I was getting ready for a bloody 1v1. What is this?
why are you trying to force me into a 1v1 with you?
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Post Post #2441 (isolation #434) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm

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and if ur town, why are you risking the game like this? that doesn't make sense
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Post Post #2443 (isolation #435) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:00 pm

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In post 2442, Datisi wrote:Because you're kinda confirmed scum fmpov? As I am from yours? You said yourself at the beginning of Friday. Like...?

Plus you're not even worried, you didn't even try to get me to unvote?
i'm confirmed scum to you because of wrong assumptions on your part
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Post Post #2445 (isolation #436) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:04 pm

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In post 2444, Datisi wrote:Eh, for posterity's sake, you ever explained why that one post made you think Luca was the Tracker?

pedit: what wrong assumptions? That scum will try to at least organize a qh when they have the chance?
how do you know they haven't tried it? did it pass your mind that they maybe just haven't been online together while you weren't here?

that a scumteam of luca/emps might opt to play the game out, instead of going for a timing victory which is inherently more riskier as it can literally blow the game up for them?
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Post Post #2446 (isolation #437) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:06 pm

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and you are now saying i'm conf!scum to you

in a world where i leave a towncore of datisi/luca and a conftown of wicked ALL alive to MYLO
knowing i had a tracker read on Luca

yeah makes a ton of sense
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Post Post #2447 (isolation #438) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:06 pm

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In post 2444, Datisi wrote:you ever explained why that one post made you think Luca was the Tracker?
because of how he posted that made me feel he had smt up his sleeve
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Post Post #2449 (isolation #439) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:21 pm

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i'm not very sure about emps

pretty damn sure about Luca :)
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Post Post #2451 (isolation #440) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:33 pm

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In post 2450, Datisi wrote:ok
who's the partner?
it's you or emps, and i don't even need to know which one it is because emps claimed doc :)

doc!emps is gonna protect wicked and die, giving town the winning lynch in you tomorrow

or emps is scum and has put himself in a corner with no way out:

can't kill wicked because he is outed scum
needs to kill in datisi/icon

needs to explain why scum let the doc alive :)

really small wifom chance, but Luca lynch wins the game for town in most of the cases here
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Post Post #2452 (isolation #441) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:34 pm

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In post 2044, Luca Blight wrote:IMO:

emps, Wicked, Icon, Luca, Datisi
luca thought i was the tracker, but puts me in the middle of the pack for massclaim BEFORE himself and datisi
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Post Post #2453 (isolation #442) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:35 pm

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that's literally not how you treat your PR read in LYLO if ur town
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Post Post #2456 (isolation #443) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:38 pm

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In post 1353, Luca Blight wrote:I have a hard TR on Icon.

Menalque I’m much less sure on but still leaning Town. I worry I could be wrong about either him or Pops.
In post 1401, Luca Blight wrote:, : I like Icon's Aldu/Menalque theory here, I think it shows a Townie thought-process.
In post 1930, Luca Blight wrote:I get your point about Icon and can feel myself being slowly talked round to suspecting him, but it isn't that strong and I still feel you're more likely to flip scum than he is.

Icon's play resembles what I'd expect from previous experience with him, although he is generally less townie here than in those games. The reason I TR him is due to: Confronting Menalque and defending Wimpy upon entering the thread, pushing Aldu for a claim and then linking Menalque and Aldu as partners following the lack of hammer. These I consider townie thought processes and are consistent from what I'd expect from Town!Icon.

I'm not just going to lynch my stronger TR because he made a few awkward looking posts.
In post 1935, Luca Blight wrote:There are reasons why I'd like to leave Icon until Tomorrow. I don't know for sure he's Town, but right now I think he is.

I'm willing to consider Alim if you want to talk about that slot instead.
This is the progression from Luca to justify an Icon vote today
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Post Post #2460 (isolation #444) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:45 pm

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In post 2459, Luca Blight wrote:Icon is making out I shouldn't be suspicious of him during LYLO because I TR him all game, which is ridiculous.

I TR Datisi even more than you and I'm suspicious of her too.
i'm saying it feels like you were already setting up your justification of voting me today, on the previous day as I layed out with quotes.
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Post Post #2461 (isolation #445) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:46 pm

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In post 2459, Luca Blight wrote:Icon is making out I shouldn't be suspicious of him during LYLO because I TR him all game, which is ridiculous.
come on man that's just not true
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Post Post #2462 (isolation #446) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:46 pm

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In post 2455, Luca Blight wrote:1. That wasn't necessarily my order of reads (otherwise I would have been above Datisi). It was to reach a consensus.

2. After the Alim kill I was less sure of my TR on you because I remembered your comment from D2.
you were 'reasonably' sure about me being tracker up until my actual claim, yes?
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Post Post #2465 (isolation #447) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:52 pm

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That's a good point about Alim.
And you would have killed me at night because Tracker
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Post Post #2466 (isolation #448) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:53 pm

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is this actually Datisi/emps lol
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Post Post #2468 (isolation #449) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:54 pm

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how likely is it that scum!Datisi passes on a possibly winning play by faking a tracker claim
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Post Post #2469 (isolation #450) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:55 pm

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oh i've had tons of thoughts after massclaim
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Post Post #2471 (isolation #451) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:56 pm

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like

why am i alive for starters
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Post Post #2473 (isolation #452) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:57 pm

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In post 2451, Iconeum wrote:it's you or emps, and i don't even need to know which one it is because emps claimed doc
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Post Post #2475 (isolation #453) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:59 pm

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I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS OIKAY
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Post Post #2476 (isolation #454) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:59 pm

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quality pt
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Post Post #2477 (isolation #455) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:00 pm

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In post 2472, Datisi wrote:you still haven't answered, what was the point of laying ot the strategies for scum in ?
the point being that if we lynch correctly outside of emps, this game is solved

and no i didn't take into account the option of a no-kill at that time
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Post Post #2480 (isolation #456) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:05 pm

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If i'm wrong about Luca then the *actual* reason for there not being a coordinated hammer on me is easy

Dats is scum baiting a town L-1 to have scumpartner hammer
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Post Post #2481 (isolation #457) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:06 pm

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In post 2479, Datisi wrote:but it isn't, even if we assume kills are compulsory and emps dies, Icon/Dats is still not solved
argh ur right, the game is solved
for me
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Post Post #2483 (isolation #458) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:09 pm

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In post 2482, Datisi wrote:pedit: lmao the worst of all i know town!icon is bad with mechanics so this is legit NAI from you
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Post Post #2484 (isolation #459) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:11 pm

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In post 2482, Datisi wrote:wdym if you're wrong on Luca? Isn't Luca/Dats technically possible for you?
if i'm wrong on Luca means exactly that

it could literally be you and emps
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Post Post #2485 (isolation #460) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:12 pm

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that doc claim tho...
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Post Post #2487 (isolation #461) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:16 pm

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In post 2084, Luca Blight wrote:Don’t worry, emps is confscum at this point.
In post 2088, Luca Blight wrote:I'm N1 Informed Townie. I was informed by the Mod N1 of Aldu's role and alignment.

Which means the scumteam is Icon/emps.
i'm wrong about Luca not considering datisi for scum until after wicked opened up that possibility

rereading both of them in ISO and Luca's progression on Datisi is a lot better then I thought

it literally starts after Datisi claimed VT which is plausible, unlike what I thought it was :s
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Post Post #2488 (isolation #462) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:17 pm

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In post 2486, Datisi wrote:wait are you giving up on Luca/emps?

pedit: what about it
like
you've seen scum claim bullshit at bad times and win because "lol wtf was that claim"
like you literally just lost a game because of that
i'm not giving up on anything what you talking about
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Post Post #2492 (isolation #463) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:21 pm

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*personal note*

I'm against playing the game in this fashion. I don't feel like it's in the spirit of the social deduction which is what this game is all about.
Literally even if i'm scum with datisi here (which i'm not), i'd pass on winning like this.
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Post Post #2495 (isolation #464) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:27 pm

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i'm a lot less sure about scum!Luca then I was a while ago
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #465) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:28 pm

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In post 2494, Luca Blight wrote:Is it not deduction to rule out the least likely scenarios?

But since you're against it I won't do it.
if ur town, it's also a potentially game-losing play if scum are faster then you
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Post Post #2498 (isolation #466) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:30 pm

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agreed, it was also a personal note if you guys think it's a good play go for it
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Post Post #2500 (isolation #467) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:38 pm

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In post 2499, Datisi wrote:So, are you still feeling that Luca/emps case, still convinced they wouldn't have quickhammered, or anything?
why would they take the risk if there's viable alternatives to winning this game that doesn't involve a potentially game-losing bet?
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Post Post #2501 (isolation #468) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:39 pm

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the real question here, now, is why does Datisi feel comfortable voting me for this long in LYLO
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Post Post #2503 (isolation #469) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:55 pm

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In post 2502, Datisi wrote:Why does Icon feel comfortable sitting on 1 vote for this long in LyLo?
well i'm not lynched, am i
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Post Post #2505 (isolation #470) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:58 pm

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is it bad that i might just end up sheeping wicked?

no pressure bro :)
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Post Post #2507 (isolation #471) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:06 pm

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well no
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Post Post #2508 (isolation #472) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:06 pm

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reading wicked, i don't think wicked really wants to vote in the 2 of us
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Post Post #2509 (isolation #473) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:07 pm

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I really think Luca fits into the most plausible teams
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Post Post #2510 (isolation #474) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:08 pm

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There's stuff that points to town!Luca, but that goes for everyone

This is where i'm at right now

if luca is scum, we hunt for the partner tomorrow with probably more information
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Post Post #2512 (isolation #475) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:17 pm

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what's stupid exactly
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Post Post #2514 (isolation #476) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:27 pm

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In post 2513, Datisi wrote:I think we both know at this point one of us is eating rope today
do you think it's correct in lynching between us today?
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Post Post #2516 (isolation #477) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:30 pm

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because I dont

Luca/emps bracket is a lot more interesting
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Post Post #2518 (isolation #478) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:35 pm

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this is a bus?
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Post Post #2520 (isolation #479) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:41 pm

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you literally agreed that it's optimal to lynch in emps/luca

why do you want this 1v1 with me so much
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Post Post #2521 (isolation #480) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:41 pm

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i'm really sad that you don't see emps/luca like i do
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Post Post #2523 (isolation #481) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:45 pm

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i've literally already cased emps/luca

i've said I was wrong about remembering the events wrt Luca *not* scumreading you when he should have been upon my rereading
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Post Post #2524 (isolation #482) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:47 pm

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datisi who the fuck am i scum with here?
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Post Post #2525 (isolation #483) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:50 pm

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Post Post #2527 (isolation #484) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:59 pm

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In post 2526, Datisi wrote:Emps or Luca
perfect let's lynch my partner first
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Post Post #2530 (isolation #485) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:26 am

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i had to go back and read, turns out i cased specifically why i think they can't be a team lol

ur actually scum this game aren't you?
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Post Post #2533 (isolation #486) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:32 am

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In post 2532, Datisi wrote:If you're genuinely trying to sell that you forgot whether you were casing emps/Luca as a team or as impossible to be the team

Then I'm just done
literally nothing makes sense
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Post Post #2534 (isolation #487) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:32 am

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like, absolutely nothing
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Post Post #2535 (isolation #488) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:35 am

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i'm gonna wait for wicked and emps to say someting usefull before making up my mind
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Post Post #2536 (isolation #489) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:37 am

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ok so if we look at this from the most simple points of view

doctor
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informed

is just a mumble jumble of PR's

one of them is either a lie, or just not a town PR

there's scum in luca/emps

either a fake doc(???) claim (but why not tracker?), or smt like an informed scum?

informed scum is possible, but if emps is scum then he's some other PR.
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Post Post #2549 (isolation #490) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:06 pm

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In post 2547, Datisi wrote:Oh no, he wasn't seriously suspecting Luca/emps, in fact he made a whole case why they cannot be partners. Then forgot about that and thought he cased why they must be the partners. Because that happens.
Yeah this is such an easy game, i don't know why my read changes
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Post Post #2550 (isolation #491) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:07 pm

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In post 2545, Wickedestjr wrote:
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I think it's pretty unreasonable of you to seriously suspect Luca/emps right now. Let's pretend/assume that's not the team. Why do you think makes most sense as Datisi's partner and how confident are you feeling?
I feel most comfortable lynching luca today
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Post Post #2554 (isolation #492) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:11 pm

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In post 2551, Datisi wrote:You literally forgot what case you were supposed to be making, that's not a read change.
thinking luca was setting emps up to thinking they could actually be the team is a read change datisi
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Post Post #2555 (isolation #493) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:12 pm

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In post 2552, Datisi wrote:- Has confirmed scum from his POV
- "i feel most comfortable lyching Luca" (oh look we're at scum!Luca again?)
I DON4 THINK UR SCUM

UR LITERALLY NOT CONFSCUM
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Post Post #2556 (isolation #494) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:13 pm

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In post 2553, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 2550, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2545, Wickedestjr wrote:
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I think it's pretty unreasonable of you to seriously suspect Luca/emps right now. Let's pretend/assume that's not the team. Why do you think makes most sense as Datisi's partner and how confident are you feeling?
I feel most comfortable lynching luca today
Why do you think I'm more likely to be scum than emps?
because i don't see an agenda driven emps play

and I can see how you were setting up justification for being on my ass today
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Post Post #2559 (isolation #495) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:18 pm

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In post 2558, Luca Blight wrote:i've explained the 'justification'.

I'm N1 informed - if I'd been NK after defending you, people would have been looking back at my posts for any crumbs on my result and would have assumed I was informed you were Town, so I made sure to highlight that I wasn't sure about you despite thinking you were town.
sure, you can say that. But the way you went about it, slowly 'changing your mind about me' while talking to what you were trying to lynch makes me feel otherwise
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Post Post #2560 (isolation #496) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:19 pm

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In post 2557, Datisi wrote:Stop playing stupid holy shit
You said you made a case why luca/emps cannot be partners (you didn't but ok)

That literally makes me confscum from your pov
i've went through my entire thoughts process in here

everything

i've explained everything i was thinking

i don't believe ur scum this game, i refuse to believe it

and even if you are, it's probably with luca

Luca also claimed PR

he's always the better lynch
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Post Post #2562 (isolation #497) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:20 pm

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if you really wanna push me being scummy for being fucking UNSURE about any of this, go for it I don't even care anymore
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Post Post #2563 (isolation #498) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:20 pm

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In post 2561, Luca Blight wrote:Icon's mindset is one of 'picking his battles', it makes no sense from a Town perspective.

From a previous game I played with him (where both Icon and Datisi were Town) he was more suspicious of Datisi on D1 than he is right now in this scenario where any rational mind would see that either he or Datisi has to be scum.

Why is he so reluctant to accept this fact?
STOP RULING OUT LUCA/EMPS BECAUSE IT ISN'T RULED OUT
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Post Post #2568 (isolation #499) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:28 pm

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i wanna say a lot of things right now but i'll keep em for post game
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Post Post #2575 (isolation #500) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:30 am

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who's the team emps

time you spilled some beans
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Post Post #2590 (isolation #501) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:24 pm

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In post 2589, Wickedestjr wrote:
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1. Why should I be townreading you? And why should I be scum reading Datisi? Note that I am fully convinced you are not both town.

2. How likely is it that the scum team is Luca/emps? Why wouldn't they hammer you and how could the setup just be FN + back-up tracker?

3. If you were scum, how likely is it that you would kill alimdia? On a similar note, how likely is that you would keep me alive as FN?

And I think you should be voting for Datisi right now.
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I've been over the hammer thing several times already, my point hasn't changed. I don't see why luca/emps HAVE to organize a quickhammer here because of the inherent risk. Risk the entire game now, while having 2 phases left to try and win? Nah.

Scum!Ico gets an FN message and insta defends you on D2. I could easily just *not* say anything about you at all, and NK you N2. But I defended you. And then going into Lylo scum!Ico has multiple stuff to worry about:

-FN!Wicked.
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-Power Role feelings!alimdia. Felt like a power role. Possibly tracker if Luca wasn't. Possibly something else. Who knows at that time. In all other circumstances the PERFECT mislynch for a scum!Ico.
-Towncore!Datisi. Up until today probably the strongest townread player in the game. Unlikely to be the lynch.
-Lurker!emps. Probably the only viable mislynch. No scumteam would lynch this slot.

You decide yourself, what you think I would pick or wouldn't pick.

The only logical lynch for me today is Luca, and work from there.

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Post Post #2592 (isolation #502) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:34 pm

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what changed? I don't know. There's 2 scum in the 3 of you. That means 1 town. I think ur the town based on the entire fucking game. Point. End. I'm crawling in a corner with that read and i'm hoping for the best.
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Post Post #2593 (isolation #503) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:35 pm

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it's so scummy of me to keep changing my reads right
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Post Post #2601 (isolation #504) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:00 pm

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In post 2597, Luca Blight wrote:
If it's emps/Datisi, then good game Datisi. You deserve the win.

VOTE: Icon

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Post Post #2602 (isolation #505) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:21 pm

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unvote me already and vote for luca
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Post Post #2604 (isolation #506) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:25 pm

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no
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Post Post #2605 (isolation #507) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:28 pm

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I really think i'm right about this, datisi.
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Post Post #2607 (isolation #508) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:42 pm

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Post Post #2611 (isolation #509) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:56 pm

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RUSHING? With 2days on the clock. After spending days discussing and thinking over everything. And I'm RUSHING?
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Post Post #2613 (isolation #510) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:58 pm

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In post 2610, Luca Blight wrote:And if Icon truly believed it was me/emps, would he vote me and allow me to cross vote, meaning emps could then hammer at will?

Icon is objectively confscum here. His mindset makes zero sense from a town perspective.
You've been on my ass from the very start of this day. You were always going to put your vote on me. I am voting you. You didn't vote me until AFTER you got 'permission' from Datisi.
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Post Post #2614 (isolation #511) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:58 pm

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In post 2612, Luca Blight wrote:You're trying to pressure Datisi into switching her vote to me, which would allow for a quickhammer.
I'm trying to persuade datisi into unvoting me, you caught me. GOoD jOb.
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Post Post #2616 (isolation #512) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:03 pm

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In post 2615, Luca Blight wrote:Yes, into unvoting you and then voting me instead, which loses the game as I'm Town.
1) Highly doubt that is loses the game.
2) How is any of that 'rushing your lynch'
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Post Post #2618 (isolation #513) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:08 pm

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In post 2617, Luca Blight wrote:It's rushing my lynch because it puts me within hammering range of emps, who from my perspective is almost certainly scum (alongside you).

Wicked stated he intends on lynching you unless you can convince him otherwise, so you're trying to put me within hammering range before that time comes.
Ok...

OR

I'm town, i've spent the majority of this dayphase trying to figure this shit out, and now with most of the day over it's time to vote
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Post Post #2620 (isolation #514) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:25 pm

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Even if i'm wrong about emps, and it's Datisi/Luca, i have another day to figure it out

i'll lose to emps/datisi but yeah
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #515) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:27 pm

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I specifically don't want to lynch emps because of the claim

If he's actually a doc, he can protect Wicked for the confirmed town in 3p LYLO

If he's scum, he can't kill Wicked.

Zero point in lynching him today
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Post Post #2629 (isolation #516) » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:10 am

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Please don't be lazy like this, wicked. Ur the conftown here. Read my ISO. Read Luca ISO. Do research. Why am I town? Because of how I've played this entire friggin game.

I've talked and repeated and repeated my thoughts about the quickhammer.

Why are you pushing me to vote Datisi? How is that in any shape way or form beneficial for you?
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Post Post #2630 (isolation #517) » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:11 am

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It's really hard to believe you guys are towreading what is clearly a pre-determined read coming into today, vs being all over the place like I was.
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Post Post #2631 (isolation #518) » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:15 am

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In post 2590, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2589, Wickedestjr wrote:
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I'm leaning towards voting for you tomorrow night. Let's say you have roughly 24 hours to convince me otherwise. Unfortunately, we've never really been online together at all this game. But here are some things that I would like you to talk about please:

1. Why should I be townreading you? And why should I be scum reading Datisi? Note that I am fully convinced you are not both town.

2. How likely is it that the scum team is Luca/emps? Why wouldn't they hammer you and how could the setup just be FN + back-up tracker?

3. If you were scum, how likely is it that you would kill alimdia? On a similar note, how likely is that you would keep me alive as FN?

And I think you should be voting for Datisi right now.
I'm not gonna try and sell you a scum!datisi read. I don't have one. If there's a single townread left standing this game for me, it's datisi. Does an emps/Luca team make perfect sense? No. Does FN+backup tracker make a ton of sense? No. But that doesn't rule it out.
I've been over the hammer thing several times already, my point hasn't changed. I don't see why luca/emps HAVE to organize a quickhammer here because of the inherent risk. Risk the entire game now, while having 2 phases left to try and win? Nah.

Scum!Ico gets an FN message and insta defends you on D2. I could easily just *not* say anything about you at all, and NK you N2. But I defended you. And then going into Lylo scum!Ico has multiple stuff to worry about:

-FN!Wicked.
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-Tracker!Luca. Will have a claim, probably results varrying from semi-clears to hard guilty. In a setup with backup tracker flipped, this is unlyncheable barring counterclaim.
-Power Role feelings!alimdia. Felt like a power role. Possibly tracker if Luca wasn't. Possibly something else. Who knows at that time. In all other circumstances the PERFECT mislynch for a scum!Ico.
-Towncore!Datisi. Up until today probably the strongest townread player in the game. Unlikely to be the lynch.
-Lurker!emps. Probably the only viable mislynch. No scumteam would lynch this slot.

You decide yourself, what you think I would pick or wouldn't pick.

The only logical lynch for me today is Luca, and work from there.

VOTE: Luca
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Post Post #2666 (isolation #519) » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:18 pm

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Post Post #2811 (isolation #520) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:50 pm

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did we win?
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Post Post #2812 (isolation #521) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:50 pm

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no redactions on my part btw
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Post Post #2814 (isolation #522) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:58 pm

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noooo
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Post Post #2815 (isolation #523) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:00 pm

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also i disagree that not going 1v1 with datisi is what cost us the game. The Alim NK did according to me.
I made a mistake too many to win, but I think I learned again.

Basicly PR paranoia got the better of me.

Also emps claiming doc instead of tracker didn't help :D
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Post Post #2816 (isolation #524) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:32 pm

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@Plum, loved your mod comments PT. I think every mod should do that, it's a great read having played the game. The synergies between certain PT's are fun stuff :D
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Post Post #2820 (isolation #525) » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:50 pm

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I want to note that I had, in fact, a correct townread on Datisi.
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Post Post #2823 (isolation #526) » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:21 am

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Because… It's a joke towards Datisi's doubts about my slot and being wrong the first few days? Obviously I *knew* she was town because I was scum?
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Post Post #2825 (isolation #527) » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:43 am

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In post 2824, popsofctown wrote:I really wanna see your towngame in a game where you're as active as this one or AvP
It's pretty similar to my scumgame.

-I'm actively looking for scum
-I'm tunneling on what I think is scum, and then a discussion starts about 'MislynchBait IconeumTM'.
-I end up lynching townies.

Yeah lot's of similarities
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Post Post #2827 (isolation #528) » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:23 am

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In post 2826, popsofctown wrote:Do you submit fewer nightkills as town? Bingle says that's the defining differentiator for his towngame.
That depends on what role, if any, I have.

There's definitely a lot or resemblance in poor action decisions
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Post Post #2828 (isolation #529) » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:32 am

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Can confirm i'm about equally scumread for my pushes as town and scum.
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Post Post #2830 (isolation #530) » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:59 pm

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In post 2829, popsofctown wrote:roll masons w me pls
:D yes

Datisi is first in line tho (but we would like to roll scum together as well)
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Post Post #2831 (isolation #531) » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:09 pm

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In post 2829, popsofctown wrote:roll masons w me pls
I'm not sure the PT could handle the cuteness overload that would be pictures of our cats/kittens
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