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In post 399, skitter30 wrote:We only have 2 days and a bit left

I know, can I propose that if you think this progression is just impossible for you to trust in LYLO that you wait until tomorrow? I've lynched for LYLO purposes before, but I wait until D2. I've got three people excluded from my lynch pool at the moment. (You, Guilty, and Kanna).

As for the other 5 I'd be down to pressure non-imh, I also think theres a decent chance that uncrowned is scum here. Mena, GBJ, and Map Wolf are just sort of here.

My two priorities at the moment are Non-imh and Uncrowned.

I think we have enough time to pressure and sort non-imh. If that's scum it means that Mena is probably town here.

VOTE: Non imh

In post 373, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Folks i just lost my last newbie because town just sort of waited for things to happen. That's the one part of uncrowned's play that I'm liking. He is trying to force the issue. So that much is townie. I just have serious concerns about the substance.

I dunno, the thing that's making me feel town vibes on Uncrowned is that he's honest about retracting his content and admitting it's not super indicative and that he was making reaches. I'm not sure I believe scum!Uncrowned would openly admit he was embellishing in order to push for reactions like that, unless he thought it was his only way out at that point. But he seems more like the kinda guy who would double down and argue as scum, so that's why I've been rethinking him

In post 400, Billy Pilgrim wrote:As for the other 5 I'd be down to pressure non-imh, I also think theres a decent chance that uncrowned is scum here. Mena, GBJ, and Map Wolf are just sort of here.

My two priorities at the moment are Non-imh and Uncrowned.

why Non-Imh over Map Wolf? And how'd you get from saying you don't see an agenda in 384 to deciding to vote him?

I'd be okay with a Non-Imh lynch today but I don't currently feel it's like especially great odds of scum. My working town block right now is like {Uncrowned, Skit, Kanna} with Billy receiving a temporary guest pass and Menalque with a "please RSVP" out in the mail for when he's caught up.

I just played a game with town GBJ/Map Wolf and neither of them feel quite the same here - GBJ felt a little more bold with his participation in the last game and while I'm a little hesitant cause I was scumreading Map Wolf in the last game as well, he did seem to offer more cogent reasoning about things than his "maybe Uncrowned/Skitter is S-S" and "I think Billy/Uncrowned is TvS" takes here

I like this question from Lion.

Here's what stuck out at me from Non-imh

95 - assuming that you're scumreading Skitt is strange
96 - that's a weird sorta soft push on someone to try and shade you I think
97 - this is a weird post. He says that your push on him was fine but your reasoning felt contrived. This makes no sense, and seems to be a way to not take issue with someone that's scumreading you/pushing you while weirdly defending. It's like aggressively committing to being passive and avoiding OMGUS.


Then he went away, came back and started posting nonsense. I wasnt careful enough with what I said in 384. People seemed to be scumreading non for his activity post V/LA. Those posts I didnt see an agenda in.

As for voting him, I did see something that was attempting to avoid scrutiny and lay back. I felt like pressuring him would let us sort him. I kinda admitted at the time of my vote that hes not my top scumread. Uncrowned is, but I dont think that's happening today. And my town reads have uncrowned as a townread so I'm gonna reassess. I'd like to pressure non-imh but Map Wolf isnt a bad place to look either.

Biggest thing that jumped out at me for Map Wolf was 344. That doesnt make any sense.

Sorry, been busy and haven't totally caught up. Will do so tonight when I get home.

I still want Uncrowned/Map Wolf lunches unless something drastic happened in these last few pages.

don't understand the townread on Kanna, just from reading her ISO

In post 406, Non lmh wrote:don't understand the townread on Kanna, just from reading her ISO

Who are you townreading?

In post 395, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 389, Uncrowned wrote:I like explaining what im tryna achieve with my actions after the dialogue is over

I can see a world where people view that as being defensive I guess

Doesnt answer my question about why you would scumread Skitter for calling your push of Kanna unfair when according to your most recent post you knew it was unfair.

Are you twisting the facts on purpose? I only recently came to the conclusion about our different playstyles being an explanation for her behavior. I think I made it pretty clear that my vote was to determine whether I thought her "anti-town behavior" (which in hindsight isn't really anti-town) was scummy or not.

You're feeling slightly biased atm.

map wolf
non imh
uncrowned

guilty
skitt
billy

kanna
gbj

I don't actually think that guilty/skitt have been scummy, they're just not out of null because reading back through ISOs I don't think either of them has broken their scumrange here apart from in particular combinations

Menalque - explain the Map Wolf/Non Imh townreads? and the Kanna scumread?

In post 409, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 395, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 389, Uncrowned wrote:I like explaining what im tryna achieve with my actions after the dialogue is over

I can see a world where people view that as being defensive I guess

Doesnt answer my question about why you would scumread Skitter for calling your push of Kanna unfair when according to your most recent post you knew it was unfair.

Are you twisting the facts on purpose? I only recently came to the conclusion about our different playstyles being an explanation for her behavior. I think I made it pretty clear that my vote was to determine whether I thought her "anti-town behavior" (which in hindsight isn't really anti-town) was scummy or not.

You're feeling slightly biased atm.

This isnt even answering the question I asked you. Skitter called your push of Kanna unfair. You *now* admit that it was (and that it was at the time) unfair to Kanna. Are you saying that you were pushing her without scumreading her? And for what purpose?

Or is this what you mean by different playstyles? That you think pushing back against people for bad pushes is something that needs to be interrogated?

Also, you accused me of interfering with a push. I want to know what I did that let someone off the hook rather than just questioning you about your push.

Do you realize that you can push people before SRing them? If you were to only push people that you purely SR then you'd probably end up losing every single game. Pushing can be used to determine TRs and SRs. It didn't happen to do the latter for either of my targets.

I also don't recall saying you ever interfered in my push. I remember saying that to Skitter.

In post 224, Map Wolf wrote:

In post 218, Uncrowned wrote:VOTE: skitter30

To be honest, there's a chance that scum is Uncrowned and Skitter.

I think this is genuine town paranoia rather than scum trying to set up uncrowned/skitt

In post 267, Map Wolf wrote:

In post 266, Uncrowned wrote:His read that I just saw about Skit/Uncrowned being a possible team is kind of ridiculous and quite a reach, imo. Can't determine if it's just a bad read or scum looking to find something to latch onto.

I do like to explore potential pairings. Prefer that to having nothing to post. Pushing for a specific pair d1 doesn't really make sense. You'll be proven hard wrong if the result is town.

Also not to hang on to the theory too much,

but I feel like this is how one might react if I hypothetically was right, lol

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this is just tonally town, I think

In post 320, Map Wolf wrote:

In post 274, skitter30 wrote:Mapwolf why are you thinking me/uncrowned?

Mostly thought the idea of you bussing uncrowned could kind of make sense.

also think this is towny paranoia

In post 343, Map Wolf wrote:

In post 324, Kanna wrote:

In post 320, Map Wolf wrote:

In post 274, skitter30 wrote:Mapwolf why are you thinking me/uncrowned?

Mostly thought the idea of you bussing uncrowned could kind of make sense.

Is more coming? Because I am not satisfied.

I was suggesting that it could be the case, although I am more inclined to say that skitter likely isn't scum.

In post 366, Map Wolf wrote:

In post 363, skitter30 wrote:

In post 344, Map Wolf wrote:

In post 340, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: Map Wolf

I like this better than Billy and a fair number of people have been suspecting him but not voting him, which makes me think it's a good vote for the gamestate. I also think it's suspect that he gave Kanna a hard time for not voting but hasn't voted anywhere himself since unvoting her a few days ago.

Okay this vote is super opportunistic and your views on me are misleading in my view. I can see a vote for pressure being useful, but at what reason? For giving Kanna a hard time? I didn't give her a hard time, I just wanted to put pressure on her so that something actually happened in the game. If I was scum, I wouldn't even bother create a happening. As for why I haven't voted anyone? I didn't vote Uncrowned as I think he's likely to be town. I considered voting Non Imh, but didn't as I wanted to give the slot a chance.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim as I think it is likely TvS between him and Uncrowned.

The beginning of this post feels like a lead-up to voting gl, so i'm kinda surprised to see this post end with u voting billy

I was kind of considering that,

but I didn't do it as I feel it'd be easier to lynch him on d2 or d3 if he was scum

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I also just think that this is town

actually wait yeah I didn't pay much attention to that part of 267 buuuut I think you have a point there

VOTE: GBJ

the micro I was in just ended so I'm about to start actually efforting this game

In post 97, Non lmh wrote:

In post 91, skitter30 wrote:

In post 75, Non lmh wrote:

In post 23, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 8, Non lmh wrote:VOTE: Mena

good day to all)

I don't like this post, Menalque had already posted yet the vote is made without any engagement + greeting the thread felt awkward

VOTE: Non Imh

vote was without intention, greeting was genuine

do you have any thoughts on the happenings thus far? what do you think of gl's questioning of you?

pushing me was fine IMO, reasoning felt contrived

yeah I think this is p nuanced for newbie scum

In post 304, Non lmh wrote:hhahahahahahahaa
I'm the one you're really gunning for aren't ya?
can basically feel you setting the pieces in place

this feels too much like it's drawing pointless attention as scum, so more likely to be town that actually doesn't care that much

In post 307, Non lmh wrote:yup, @all, read baby/lion/(billy-crown-non) in ISO

you can read three ppl together by scrolling all the way down,,
click the [+] symbol next to where it says "Display posts by user", can read three ISO's concurrently,,

either I'm crazy paranoid or these two bros be talking and propping up and priming players, all for me lil old me, and boy are they good

so yeah, I still like where my vote stands Baby

p-edit
too lazy to quote rn,

so y'all do it as homework
kthxbai

this is vaguely obnoxious in a way that I think scum tends to avoid considering they need to win people over

also think he's actually trying to scumhunt in the first bit

In post 308, Non lmh wrote:

In post 131, Non lmh wrote:you should prepare yourself for when lion comes back crown

and lmao, should have listened buddy,, should.have.listened.

In post 335, Non lmh wrote:um,, was it all in my head???

In post 336, Non lmh wrote:hello?????

In post 337, Non lmh wrote:ugh, fine whatever, see y'all later

I think all of these are tonally town

In post 406, Non lmh wrote:don't understand the townread on Kanna, just from reading her ISO

agree on Kanna

In post 88, Kanna wrote:I’m unsure how to feel about GL. His responses seem kind of townie but they’re a bit over the top.

this feels like scum not really being sure on how to push someone/not sure if they should

In post 108, Kanna wrote:I'm sorry I haven't said anything meaningful, it's not on purpose. At this point, I just really don't know who is most likely to be scum.

this feels overly apologetic

In post 118, Kanna wrote:

In post 116, Uncrowned wrote:VOTE: Kanna

Can I ask why you’re voting for me?

Is it because you think I'm not being helpful or do you think I'm scum?

this one seals it for me. I think this is quite likely to be scum paranoia

I'm going to try to read this more in depth and read through from start instead of just ISOing people

I'm rly tired and I need to plan a class still rip me

GBJ is a nothing slot. I'd push Non or Map before that one. Mena's post didnt really sell me.

you say gbj is a nothing slot while voting non...

In post 421, Billy Pilgrim wrote:GBJ is a nothing slot. I'd push Non or Map before that one.

Mena's post didnt really sell me

.

also what?

hey im finally online

billy: seems town
guilty: town
kanna: town
mapwolf:town
skitter: null
uncrowned: mixed
mena: mixed
non imh: scum