Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[OkaPoka]

oh im a doofus

[OkaPoka]

i fucked up the pairings its

titus - hectic
okapoka - unwnd

pine

- bob
nancy - elsa
amrun - piss
nacl - s_s

[OkaPoka]

krazy said he doesnt believe in neighborhoods and he peaced out

and basically nothing else

i did try getting unwnd to kill me over the night but unwnd said im town and basically thats it

[OkaPoka]

then again the only thing i did in neighborhood with krazy was ego post really

[OkaPoka]

<okapoka, eddie, ddl>
<nancy, titus>
<unwnd, s_s, amrun, bob >
<piss, nacl>
<elsa, hectic>

something like this rn

[OkaPoka]

my reads havent really changed that much since mid day 2 except for ddl jump

im just no longer in the position to be evasive with what i really think

[OkaPoka]

mid day 1**

[OkaPoka]

is it bad i cant tell if unwnd has read the game or not

[OkaPoka]

yeah but look who im voting for

[OkaPoka]

dw ill tunnel u when im bored

[OkaPoka]

How's ur hood piss

Also can we ban posting in hoods ty

[OkaPoka]

Nancy if the only person with a positive opinion of elsa is her hood buddy then you are being pocketed and elsa is doing zero leg work of being town.

[OkaPoka]

You remember gay dance Nancy? Where town lost because last three pairs had two scums and the t-s pairs had the townies literally refuse to consider their partner to be scum because of hood posting content so firebringer got bored and killed us both

[OkaPoka]

Like nancy you were elsa in this situation

Not really playing much for reasons but gamma decided that you should never die

[OkaPoka]

But like sure elsa might be God posting in your pt

But why isn't elsa doing that in public thread

This is potentially a non issue

[OkaPoka]

Lol ok

You could also be a team player and vote elsa so ge cant just keep hiding behind you and say he's hood posting w you

[OkaPoka]

Because those are thoughts you like to hear

[OkaPoka]

Nancy your literal first post is disdain at hood outing and you literally locked me and ss town for not wanting outed hoods it's not hard to craft a message that you would like

[OkaPoka]

Yeah but Amrun isn't trying to stop a piss lynch and elsa is the flavor of the day

Vote elsa and if she shows her town posting we can move onto your solve

[OkaPoka]

Nancy if elsa is obvtown in your hood then help us speed this process along and make her start good posting

You have 3 potential unwnd voters who are sitting on elsa

Note how I'm not defending unwnd, I just want to lynch elsa first or see if he good posts

[OkaPoka]

Hmmmmm ok I guess that's town points for elsa

Piss come vote elsa please?

[OkaPoka]

You worried that if elsa self clears ur going to die?

[OkaPoka]

Okay come vote her then you have nothing to lose and everything to gain

[OkaPoka]

Ty

[OkaPoka]

Let's see them votes people

[OkaPoka]

nancy do me a favor and vote unwnd

[OkaPoka]

s_s if im reading your list correctly u have one sr

vote that sr

[OkaPoka]

i dont think its scummy no

hes scummy for other reasons but thats a non factor

[OkaPoka]

well now that piss has collected another vote you should stay on piss

[OkaPoka]

why is elsa town

[OkaPoka]

Titus why are you preflipping Nancy scum?

[OkaPoka]

Titus why are you preflipping Nancy scum?

I'm not. My vote analysis leads me there so I have to ask.

yeah but arent you saying that if nancy isnt dead your going to vote nacl and from what im reading your case on nacl is associatives w nancy

[OkaPoka]

what is woat btw

[OkaPoka]

Titus why aren't you asking me these type of questions

[OkaPoka]

If its elsa just give up

[OkaPoka]

PO exists as a safeguard against scum shenanigans

[OkaPoka]

Yes

If we took the path of never claiming hoods

[OkaPoka]

This setup is very townsided its laughable

[OkaPoka]

Luckily for scum people outing hoods to remove doc protection balances it a little

[OkaPoka]

Tbh I was confused on how you outed scum in gameshow

[OkaPoka]

Why?

[OkaPoka]

You were fuscosoxodosodoxk

Post game RC and chennis were complaining about how they had to bus you since you outed and I was like

Ok I guess idk

[OkaPoka]

Are you that worried about my opinion?

Is this your masterful attempt at showcasing your town play?

Sorry if I come across as obnoxious, I'm too dumb to find nicer ways to phrase things

[OkaPoka]

No

[OkaPoka]

I mean you are right I guess

But that's because you are naked voting and havent seem to do any actual sorting this game so I dont know where you'd come from

[OkaPoka]

What was Elsa's town moment @titus?

[OkaPoka]

...

Do you have a source?

[OkaPoka]

Claim that scum tend to not second vote

[OkaPoka]

Like I need to know how you collected the data, because if you there are misleading ways to collect that info

[OkaPoka]

I dont know why if you snuck in there

[OkaPoka]

The problem is with a claim like that you need a large datasets because inherently there are less scum so looking at a couple games can be very misleading

I like vca but this is wack

[OkaPoka]

im not contesting the value of vca or your ability to use it

im saying locking elsa as town because of pops voting her second in rvs based on unknown data is bad for the war effort and your nation needs you

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: unwnd

choo choo?

[OkaPoka]

Am I missing something or what

I literally like all the wagons and if consensus is right, scum literally cant win on our trajectory and I dont see much squirming

[OkaPoka]

Pine townflip makes piss look good tho

[OkaPoka]

Real question is what's up with you as

How you feeling

[OkaPoka]

SS****

Mobile autocorrect is bleh

[OkaPoka]

Titus do you know how ev works

[OkaPoka]

SS

This is where you explain how 33% is quite high for any scum action

[OkaPoka]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

This is conveniently a game NaCl was scum with Pops, if anybody wants to compare.

Call unwnd to the stand he was there

[OkaPoka]

Great 33% odds.

If you think Elsa's scum SS, you can vote her. Pops voting Elsa makes zero sense in terms of usual behavior or beneficial to scum behavior.

Give Eddie the hammer.

[OkaPoka]

Doesn't matter it should worry you that if she's ignoring 33 percent on scum then the premise of the claim is bad

[OkaPoka]

No she proved its greater than rand

[OkaPoka]

Nvm less than rand :[

[OkaPoka]

Machine learning ecks dee

[OkaPoka]

eddie are you blocking an elsa lynch

[OkaPoka]

going to wait for a vc but id swap my vote here if there was a vc

[OkaPoka]

To who?

whatever has a prettier wagon behind it

[OkaPoka]

eddie you dont love me ? ;-;

[OkaPoka]

ill hammer unwnd

[OkaPoka]

although i do prefer if more people helped me with the war effort and getting other people to play the game

[OkaPoka]

i did a cursory skim over what nacl was talking about wrt hectic's read on pops

i think it only makes sense if pops felt like she was going down so she purposely took a bad fight w amrun to allow hectic to pivot

ok 2 cents over

[OkaPoka]

is it that piss + bob might be a pairing

[OkaPoka]

yall letting me hammer please

[OkaPoka]

nobody is going to chainsaw both ics lol

[OkaPoka]

GUYS

1) You are going to let unwnd claim
2) You are going to let me hammer

[OkaPoka]

clam chowder

[OkaPoka]

we need a claim before end

[OkaPoka]

wait is eddie po because if he is then i guess bo bamma hamma

[OkaPoka]

i think i remember reading that eddie post actually i just forgot

[OkaPoka]

(expired on 2020-01-19 21:23:59)

[OkaPoka]

im probably not awake to hammer in 9 hours

[OkaPoka]

i have a countdown asdf

[OkaPoka]

yes that is why you have a

final countdown

doo doo doo doo doo

[OkaPoka]

ur going to need to be more convincing

[OkaPoka]

Auro still thinks thinks that slot will flip town based on his Krazy read.

i dont really see many worlds where pops and krazy are aligned together but i think it will be a good info lynch to solidfy read on piss

[OkaPoka]

<okapoka, eddie, ddl>
<nancy, titus>
<unwnd, s_s, amrun, bob >
<piss, nacl>
<elsa, hectic>

something like this rn

Oka, what happened to your scumread of me from the start of the day? I haven't seen you mention it since.

Pretty sure only 3 people will vote you so you can't be lynched so it's a waste of time rn

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: unwnd

[OkaPoka]

speed night please?

xoxo

[OkaPoka]

alright i spent some time doing the math

game is an autowin trust me

question of whether how many lynches we want to wait for scum to drag this out but as long as we dont lynch conf town game is over

[OkaPoka]

Where does your confidence on SS stem from, Eddie? I didn't reread much during the night, but nothing comes to mind which makes him confident town for me.

Nothing day 2. Read the end of day 1, his initial vote on Pops, and his reads posts. There's a lot of analysis day 1, and if he is partners with both unwnd and Krazy, his trajectory doesn't really make sense. I am hard tunnelling both of his partners, so vocally siding with me without too much bravado is a weird angle as scum. I was a bit paranoid of him yesterday, but after rereading his posting just didn't feel like scum. He also knows me better than most people in this lobby, so he would know I am a player that gets lynches through for better or worse, and adding a vote to the ammunition on his partners is... I think suboptimal. I also don't think he'd want to play the deep game to f3 in TM.

I do not love his sparse activity, but its not super abnormal for him. He's probably among the lightest in the town clears with Nancy for me. And yea, he had a couple really good analysis posts yesterday imo. Are you still scumspecting him?

some food for thought is when i opened the game tunneling krazy the reason why i end up soft clearing krazy from pops was that pops sided with me to lynch krazy

of course i dont get the lynches i want and i ended up hammering unwnd for other reasons but soft bussing isnt exactly out of the realm of possibility here

however

i do think its more likely atp that scum just dont have a plan and are going with the flow

[OkaPoka]

u know whats real wack

in my pt with unwnd during n1

i told unwnd i very much scumread him

and that if he was town i needed him to push pine with me

very wack

[OkaPoka]

then for the rest of the phase i just told him how he was dead

pedit: idk i dont feel like SS is doing uh anything of note other than being a vote past day

i like your killpool but seeing as this is potentially the only phase with 3 ics we should boogie down

[OkaPoka]

i also left in the pt that i thought pops was very aligned with both pine and piss and had reasonings for it which makes the nk even weirder

occams razor imo is that he thought killing pine would make me tr him? which i guess kinda happened for parts of the day

[OkaPoka]

maybe im going down a rabbit hole but iirc s_s did kinda soft defend krazy when i pushed him early?

it was like s_s and nancy defending krazy while i pushed krazy and

pops/pine/piss soft supporting me

[OkaPoka]

maybe its possible that krazy asked to be bussed and if I didn't back off krazy early we would've had pine/piss hard pocket me and I would've been a pocketed ic assuming d1 krazzy lynch which could be a possibility of a scum plan

[OkaPoka]

since after all, my backing off krazy couldn't really be expected because usually i double down on pushing people who are being toxic but i decided it fit dva (krazy's alt) to be toxic as town so I backed off

[OkaPoka]

Well uh reading into scum's mind is weird my take is

1) I vocally town read Pine and scum read Krazy
2) Pine was not town reading Krazy and Mastina / Xtoxm / Kuribo is a strong team with good Krazy reads
3) Combining me!IC townreading town!Pine who is jointly scumreading scum!Krazy... probably always leads to dead!unwnd day 2 regardless of Pine being alive, which then spews Pine as town

don't think its a wild kill :shrug:

SS was useless d2 agree but he also voted scum yesterday if you're bussing to win in f3 do you really do it that nonchalantly?

SS has shown he's willing to kill both his scumbuddies on day 1 in a 4 person scumteam in baton pass

he sheeped RC

you are RC in this situation

: ^ )

[OkaPoka]

Well uh reading into scum's mind is weird my take is

1) I vocally town read Pine and scum read Krazy
2) Pine was not town reading Krazy and Mastina / Xtoxm / Kuribo is a strong team with good Krazy reads
3) Combining me!IC townreading town!Pine who is jointly scumreading scum!Krazy... probably always leads to dead!unwnd day 2 regardless of Pine being alive, which then spews Pine as town

don't think its a wild kill :shrug:

SS was useless d2 agree but he also voted scum yesterday if you're bussing to win in f3 do you really do it that nonchalantly?

yeah what I'm saying is unwnd had a written reason why he shouldn't kill pine, he could've left me to do that for him and made me look very bad

unless of course he didn't believe i thought pine was scum which is also possible since i was being a wildcard and evasive and a liar d1

[OkaPoka]

we should probably go through every slot and make sure we don't end up marking them town for random reasons and then auto kill the lhfs

we have 3 ics so one of us can play devils advocate wo everyone wanting our heads

[OkaPoka]

All 3 of these people have votes, but I would like to propose a town bloc of Titus, Oka, SS.

I just want this to be right

but uh, I think I hard town read him day 1 independent of pushes. His presence has been 0 lately which isn't helping confidence. I haven't played with him!scum fwiw.

you thinking he's kill today maybe or just something to consider after scummier slots are purged if games still going

i have a higher list of priorities

its not today and i am very sure that if s-s ends up being scum he'll only survive if its him,titus,nancy in lylo 3

[OkaPoka]

Titus: I think I literally locked her town for her hood outting idea? Then every other post she made I kinda just accepted shes misguided town

[OkaPoka]

I need to conceive a world where Titus decided that outting hoods is something she would do as scum since I doubt pops/krazy would coach her to do that

Since I do believe she thinks its the optimal play as town

[OkaPoka]

brb

[OkaPoka]

amrun tr because of her whole pops fight that happened kinda randomly

[OkaPoka]

i'm talking about Pops. Once two ICs are both voting unwnd then the votes don't really matter, the lynch is going through.

can confirm i ended my pet project to be an

ugh

team player

[OkaPoka]

what is your conclusion nancy

[OkaPoka]

what is your conclusion nancy

My best guess is that Piss probably bussed. I think once scum knew unwind was unsalvageable, last scum likely made sure to be on that wagon.

I also think that Pine kill was likely made to possibly frame Hectic, another reason why I’m suspicious of Piss. NaCl waz also initially sr him but he was also on the Pops counterwagon, which Piss jumped on and Piss’ vote on Eddie is also bad.

wasn't pops also unsalvageable? like I gave intent to hammer with a literal countdown and yet there was some sneaky movement towards the end there

[OkaPoka]

like with both pops and unwnd I gave intent to hammer and I think I was in a relatively similar position reads wise from everyone else and if anything the pops EOD wagon was a lot more sus contextually

[OkaPoka]

because while he was asking elsa about frozen 2 there were things going on in the background that he could;ve entered into on his own accord

like he had to be brought into setup spec stuff, but like even if he isn't into that

there were other ongoing happenings in thread that he avoided

Yes, you were contributing to the pointless spammy setup spec and you were scummy for that too. Titus made a bad proposal, it was shot down, the correct strategy was identified quickly and then everyone decided to keep talking about it like it was interesting when it was not. Pine in particular argued there was a mech solution possible when that's laughable. It seemed insincere. But here's the thing. If people are going into bad setup spec, and you want to see how far they push it, then you sometimes need to just let the do their thing. What if they *do* try to say there's a solve? You don't get people to open up naturally by constantly breathing down their neck and whining.

Look at your development on me. You first complain that I'm not being "solvy" when the game is still in a pretty boring slot. Why do you focus on me? Because I asked Elsa about the meme that his entire persona is based around? Here's the thing Oka. That is to say that you don't think I'm solving the game in a way *you like* because I actually try to get a feel for people and how they're doing rather than spam posting whatever inane thought has popped into my head that particular second. Like you're usually annoying and you don't respond particularly well to my playstyle so I was kinda willing to give you some room to be wrong but you're being too incessantly wrong and too distracting for me to give you a pass here. I'm starting to feel this push is more agenda-driven, or you're just having a bad early game even for you, but frankly I know your scum game involves being distracting and annoying, and I know your towngame is mediocre so I'm more than happy to just remove your slot and get on with the game since there's little upside to keeping you alive.

I already have a pretty decent town pile. There are arguments for Titus, S_S, pops, Nancy, and piss for town. I am pretty sure I can solve Dr. Downey Jr. by day 2. Elsa if scum is unlikely to endgame in a setup this stacked for town. So strictly speaking, if town is going to lose, it's going to be against people who can organize a scum strategy well (Pine) or someone who can actively disrupt town cohesion (you). You give weak agreements with what I'm saying about scumreads but actively distract and disrupt from my solving, so since you don't seem to want to even let me push Pine without you deflecting pressure off him then it seems like you going first is the best thing that can happen to this town.

this is like the most important post krazy makes because at this point there is exactly me and titus voting krazy, pops and piss indicating FoS (although we know pops is scum now) and Nancy hard defending w/ S_S soft defending

[OkaPoka]

Fwiw I'm reading Krazy's interactions w/ Eddie as less of an actual attempted lynch and more of a chainsaw defense of Pops

[OkaPoka]

Okay yeah I remember my push on Krazy now, I was pushing him for scum being unable to get himself into the groove of the game and I think retrospectively his AtE OMGUS would fit that "analysis"

Piss did agree with this idea

Pops thought the OMGUS was scummy

Pine agreed with both me and Pops

Maybe we use Pops/Pine to sort Piss?

[OkaPoka]

Pops and Pine are often grouped together which is interesting

Nancy yeah is locktown basically IC atp, Krazy spends a lot of her iso trying to undermine and create paranoid on Nancy which isn't bad because a lot of what Nancy does we accept due to meta but it would be fakeable for a lot of scumplayers

[OkaPoka]

isn't bad as in isn't a bad way to get nancy lynched

[OkaPoka]

interestingly krazy has surprisingly decent interactions w/ pops in the sense that it doesnt spew pops scum if krazy was flipped first

like there is actual interaction and progressions

[OkaPoka]

IIRC there were several moments of this game that could've led to legit factionalizations of the thread and that's what I expected scum to do (assuming comptency) and I saw some hints of that with Pops/Krazy's dichotonomy over the initial Krazy push.

Like first push on Krazy we had (in order of factional loyalty)
the die krazy die faction
Me, Pine, Titus, Pops, Piss

and the long live krazy
Krazy, Nancy, ~NaCl (in the sense that NaCl was counterpushing me for pushing krazy), S_S (in the sense that he dodged voting Krazy by saying too early)

Then we had Eddie v Pops

That evolved into

Eddie v Pops while Eddie was also v Krazy, meanwhile Pops was v Amrun

hmm

If he gets 8 votes and flips red will you be a fan of it?

How am I supposed to take you or your team’s reads seriously if they’re still not reading me accurately?

And Auro, is super confident on Krazy town, as is my neighbour.

That's Elsa

as for your question

iirc there were a whole lot of people standing on the sidelines, and knowing me I'd probably stand on the sidelines too unless I really hated my team or thought the game was doomed then I'd do something gutsy like hardbus one in a really shitty way where they could case their way out of the hardbus

like shitty arguments etc.

[OkaPoka]

lets just ask for a s-s readslist and lynch his bottom player tbh

[OkaPoka]

If I am one of your top townreads why did you naked vote me earlier?

And not only that, in her subsequent posts, she never even explains that.

Eddie brought this up in neighborhood PT
My post is missing a comma of direct address. "Who's your townreads? "Krazy, okapoka and pisskop". I'm scumreading Krazy but I'm not confident about it

So, are you saying that Krazy, Oka and Piss is your PoE, because you just said it was Eddie/Amrun? *confused*

Oka and piss are my townreads.
Krazy's name was in the post because I was saying, "krazy, I am talking to you", it's a grammar structure called noun of direct address but I forgot the comma so it's confusing and we have grammar for a reason.

Eddie and Amrun are the two slots I find scummiest in the game

idk

part of me thinks this makes piss town because both piss and i were sitting on the sidelines waiting for cases to happen (explicitly) and i mean pops had clearly been pocketing me all game and maybe piss through trs

and pops wasn't exactly doomed here yet so she shouldn't have been in antispew mode

Eddie has made some pretty reasonable points in hood about whether I am actually pushing the game in a positive direction versus being petulant.

I think Nancy Drew is hinting about that point too.
So maybe I should talk about outside of Amrun/Ed more

and I think this post that comes later clearly indicates that pops wasn't trying to go down suicidal and all

I think Krazy is surprisingly scummy for how little he has been wagoned. He keeps disappearing and reappearing. I'm not very confident about reading him and haven't myself been pushing him because when I played town with him he was super bleh day 1 and obvtowned day 3. But I think that slot is really creepy. Ed asked me to think about the universe where Eddie is IC and I think in that universe it seems even weirder that Krazy is just always there.
DDL is like Krazy lite and has felt really off. Starting off sheeping me seemed like it could be both !hims but more like scum!him and nothing's really gotten super better. Similar to Krazy I trust him to be readable later. But he hasn't been great. I've taken note of how DDL hasn't really gotten teased for having a derpy contribution level to the game the way Elsa has when my gut likes Elsa more so far.
I really don't know whether Pine is scum, I lean town and I don't know if it's pocketing. I kind of don't hate the wagon in the sense that I think it has information and NaCl wagon does not, I don't know what silly person suggested wagoning Elsa, but that also definitely does not.
NaCl is like the definition of a boring wagon I've kind of gone into it about how I feel about that player.
I think that's all the wagons that have ever been popular

pedit: Pine flipped preferences this year, he's stated as such openly
pedit: I assumed everyone who rolled scum would say "I rolled scum but I'm not going to say who my partners are". I'm pretty sure that's what I would do. None of my partners rolled scum so that didn't give me any data.

And this post later I think comes from Pops wanting to go to endgame over krazy for whatever reasons, rather than antispew

pedit: yeah ik i was referring to that and an earlier readslist posted by S_s in d1 which had pops at the bottom

[OkaPoka]

Votecount 1.30

popsofctown (5) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane, Titus

Eddie Cane (2) -

popsofctown, Elsa Jay

unwnd (2) -

OkaPoka, DrDolittle

NaCl (2) -

Pine, pisskop

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (3) -

NaCl, unwnd, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

I think everything before this VC Pops intended to live, and after was antispew most likely.

i do think its interesting how Pops only really started to name drop teammate reads after this point though

[OkaPoka]

entire unwnd iso reads as someone who just gave up lmfao

maybe its just the obvious pool

<NaCl, bob, elsa, piss, hectic> pick your lynch game is over anyways?

[OkaPoka]

I think NaCl has highest scum equity /shrug

idk

is it wrong to think that both piss and hectic would've been courteous enough to give unwnd a solid summary of the game to help catchup

while NaCl and bob are barely keeping up and elsa is playing singeplayer

[OkaPoka]

I think NaCl, bob, Elsa are my preferred preferred pool today

Piss/Hectic are my ehh sure whatever lynch

S_S is my i mean i guess but im a little spooked why we are doing this now lynch

Titus is my yo this isn't cool lynch

Nancy is my omg stop it stop stop it lynch

[OkaPoka]

Nancy what are your thoughts on NaCl

[OkaPoka]

My last post was a half-truth. The reality of the situation is that I am personally opposed to receiving help but also they are no longer caught up with the game, therefore I would like to speak of my own merit.

Why didn't you just say that the first time, though?

@NaCl: It was because of Bob's recent posts. I've seen this type of VCA from him before where he insists most wagons have 1 scum on them and tries to PoE using that logic. Mind you, I don't entirely agree with the theory, but his persistence about it is consistent with my other games with him. Though, I haven't actually played with scum!him so that's something to note.

This is useful and I'll wait on seeing what you're specifically talking about before I say more.

@NaCl: How didn’t I answer your question about bob? Can you be more specific, then? Because I thought I did.

That wall about me and pops not being s/s is fine and all, and factually accurate, but none of it says why if pops flips green then you’d suddenly scumread me.

For bob, I was asking about his more recent posts. I mostly wanted to know if 1603 and 1605 were something you were townreading him of off and if so, why.

As for you, it's because I'd believe that if it came from someone else other than pops really easily. I'd feel much more confident in the lynch if I knew that she was town.

This specific post doesn't matter much but up to here NaCl has had both unwnd(krazy) and pops in his scum pool

and yet

Votecount 1.29

popsofctown (4) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, unwnd, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, OkaPoka, Nancy Drew 39

DrDolittle (1) -

Titus

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

VOTE: unwnd

VOTE: unwnd

opportunities to wagon either and doesn't jump on it and then doesn't post until d3

competing wagons are eddie and pine in which NaCl trs both earlier

fits the idea that pops didn't think she was going down yet, and there was a very clear opportunity to vote a scumread rather than let a tr get pushed yet NaCl chooses to remain not-voting

but pivoting to vote eddie is very incriminating so inaction is very beneficial for scum here

[OkaPoka]

I find the notion that people didnt auto tell their team their role hilarious. I still cant tell if people are being serious about that.

My team actually did a rotation thingy where some people are spoiled and some are unspoiled in each game and I felt really smart for bringing it up...

I'd thought it would be a good way of giving a variety of perspectives that can't be obtained from a single player.

The above was from Pine.

My friend, all of bob’s posts sound like dry bread in disguise, always. Does that really make the bread bag empty? The bread bag is not empty here. It’s like hearty whole wheat bread with oats and pumpkin seeds and stuff. If the bread bag was empty, that would be when bob is scum.

And ignoring the content of his posts because they’re walls with typos and make your eyes glaze over is a mistake. When he’s town, he’s sharp.


I don’t like, and I don’t understand, this thought that you think pops is scummy, but it pops flips town, then I’m scum. I just had a game where scum set me up just like that and was mislynched in LyLo over it.

Being wrong doesn’t make someone scum, especially when it’s something you yourself agree with. ?!?

And pops posting lately has been BETTEr, not worse.

I agree with the argument pops was making and I was feeling it myself, but at the same time I don't trust pops enough to agree with it unless I know she's town. I don't think that she's trying to distance herself from you as S/S because this setup is incentivized not to bus and I don't see you in a position where you'd be able to get to endgame from bussing her. If she flips scum, then I strongly think you're town. But in either case, lynching her is far better than any of the other lynches because I think she's likely scum and even if not, I think it would give the most information.

Regarding bob, I just wanted to understand your thought process. I know he's had some good posts. But you didn't answer my question. I'm not as interested in reading on bob as I am on reading you.

@NaCl: I've seen him do a very similar type of VCA as town in a kinda recent large game. He just feels incredibly similar here, and his pushes and behaviour are all genuine imo.

Could you show me those links? Because I agree that his general behaviour has been towny from before, but you didn't answer the specific question I'd just asked you which was about those specific posts from bob and what you thought of them.

I said he would endgame me, and he quoted me saying he would endgame me and said "get fucked kid"

that is bragging about endgaming me

I think this is the most important post in the thread. Pops, Eddie, can you both tell me which one of Pops's posts in this thread was the next one she made after this was said in your hood? (I'm pretty sure this is within the rules but someone please stop this otherwise).

Pops, Eddie, do either of you want to answer this?

Like NaCl makes this post where he comes to the conclusion he scumreads pops and wants to lynch it and he has the ability to break a tie to vote pops yet doesn't?

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alright intensive rereading of stuff over for now

ill need to take a step back and make sure i didn't rabbit hole myself but i think its pointing towards nacl

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i think voting with rc because BoP onto your partners is soft bussing

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anyways not really relevant to this stage of the game

but i am interested

hows the nacl pt

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This game potentially got messy

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If we want to mark ddl as cleared then we can end the game right here by chainlynching up a list

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VOTE: piss

I dont want to think too much about this because I'll wifom atp

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<hectic = piss = elsa >

bob

s_s

going down the list btw

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that was a shitpost nancy

post 1896

but it is true that krazy was tring piss a lot

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amrun if you have any issues with the pool or forsee any its important you say your piece now when the ics are alive and we dont have to watch a paranoia mexican stand off

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i have a very bad rationale of why elsa should go before piss

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Micc i just want to say ur the goat mod

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i think town wins like 80% of the time in this setup tbh

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Ehhh

I felt like this setup was townsided like 10 pages in mainly because as soon as town figures out to claim neighbors, scum have no room to make a gambit and we generate ics through lynching scum. Also NaCl was about to be the d3 or d4 lynch before ss did the gambit so i dont think nacl would have actually made it deep.

We just live in a townsided meta imo and we got handed a townsided setup. I think this setup requires a don corleone type of player for scum to win, like you need to be unlynchable levels good which is not a fair expectation to have as scum

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You think given 15 random people on ms.net this game would be close to 50/50?

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team mafia is just an excuse to play a game with stakes

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and hopefully have everyone else tryhard tbh

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i thought the open was pretty quality in terms of gameplay even if i feel like it was already tilted in our favour /shrug