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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:31 am
by Ph0enix
In post 394, Saladman27 wrote:All SEs are Town
Phoenix is town
GBJ and Non are scum
Rest is null
Could you elaborate?
Kanna wrote: If GBJ is scum I think Map is partner
Same question.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:44 am
by Kanna
In post 399, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 397, Kanna wrote:
In post 375, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 373, Kanna wrote:Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?
Providing no reasoning for basically anything he's said so far:

- the opening vote on Norway
- saying Norway is PR/scum
- Readslist #1
- the vote on Naerys
- Readslist #2

I like Naerys' last post. Keep them coming. Currently scumreading Salad, GBJ and Non. Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Wolf's pressure vote on Jackson earlier I still don't like, but at least he has contributed with his other posts; Non's vote to put Jackson at L-1, in combination with the lack of reasoning behind his posts, I particularly don't like.
Do you find him just not providing reasoning scummy and not the actual actions?
All of the above is justified if there's a reason for it. So the former.
I sort of disagree because I think scum could easily give reasons for their actions as appeasement. I think we should looking at actions themselves and if they have scum motivation

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:47 am
by Kanna
Also about Map;
>defended GBJ + from previous game, I have reason to believe he’s not a busser
> early on, I felt he was more aggressive but his tone has changed
> generally been coasting

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:18 am
by Kanna
Readlist goes;

<Norway>
<Phoenix, Non, Datisi>
<Salad, Naerys>
<GBJ, Map Wolf>

Mostly with emphasis on Norway; I think he’s quite obvtown. Will explain any placements if anyone asks.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:26 am
by Saladman27
In post 400, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 394, Saladman27 wrote:All SEs are Town
Phoenix is town
GBJ and Non are scum
Rest is null
Could you elaborate?
Norway is obvtown, Datisi is doing townie things plus has more than double posts than me.
You are doing great examinations, (especially of me)
GBJ is the Lynch today. Non I already explained.
Rest is null cause I'm too lazy to read them since it was supposed to be a shotgun read list.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:27 am
by Ph0enix
In post 401, Kanna wrote:
In post 399, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 397, Kanna wrote:
In post 375, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 373, Kanna wrote:Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?
Providing no reasoning for basically anything he's said so far:

- the opening vote on Norway
- saying Norway is PR/scum
- Readslist #1
- the vote on Naerys
- Readslist #2

I like Naerys' last post. Keep them coming. Currently scumreading Salad, GBJ and Non. Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Wolf's pressure vote on Jackson earlier I still don't like, but at least he has contributed with his other posts; Non's vote to put Jackson at L-1, in combination with the lack of reasoning behind his posts, I particularly don't like.
Do you find him just not providing reasoning scummy and not the actual actions?
All of the above is justified if there's a reason for it. So the former.
I sort of disagree because I think scum could easily give reasons for their actions as appeasement. I think we should looking at actions themselves and if they have scum motivation
So you are okay with GBJ's actions so far?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:32 am
by Ph0enix
In post 402, Kanna wrote:Also about Map;
>defended GBJ + from previous game, I have reason to believe he’s not a busser
> early on, I felt he was more aggressive but his tone has changed
> generally been coasting
Fair enough. Define "busser", though, I'm not familiar with that term.
Saladman27 wrote: Norway is obvtown, Datisi is doing townie things plus has more than double posts than me.
You are doing great examinations, (especially of me)
GBJ is the Lynch today. Non I already explained.
Rest is null cause I'm too lazy to read them since it was supposed to be a shotgun read list.
Fair as well.
Kanna wrote:Readlist goes;

<Norway>
<Phoenix, Non, Datisi>
<Salad, Naerys>
<GBJ, Map Wolf>

Mostly with emphasis on Norway; I think he’s quite obvtown. Will explain any placements if anyone asks.
Could you explain further about Non? Also, are Salad and Naerys scumreads or?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:36 am
by Kanna
In post 405, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 401, Kanna wrote:
In post 399, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 397, Kanna wrote:
In post 375, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 373, Kanna wrote:Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?
Providing no reasoning for basically anything he's said so far:

- the opening vote on Norway
- saying Norway is PR/scum
- Readslist #1
- the vote on Naerys
- Readslist #2

I like Naerys' last post. Keep them coming. Currently scumreading Salad, GBJ and Non. Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Wolf's pressure vote on Jackson earlier I still don't like, but at least he has contributed with his other posts; Non's vote to put Jackson at L-1, in combination with the lack of reasoning behind his posts, I particularly don't like.
Do you find him just not providing reasoning scummy and not the actual actions?
All of the above is justified if there's a reason for it. So the former.
I sort of disagree because I think scum could easily give reasons for their actions as appeasement. I think we should looking at actions themselves and if they have scum motivation
So you are okay with GBJ's actions so far?
No? I just disagree with you saying “GBJ is just scummy because he doesn’t give reasons.” I think GBJ’s actions/motivation is scummy

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:42 am
by Ph0enix
In post 407, Kanna wrote:
In post 405, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 401, Kanna wrote:
In post 399, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 397, Kanna wrote:
In post 375, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 373, Kanna wrote:Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?
Providing no reasoning for basically anything he's said so far:

- the opening vote on Norway
- saying Norway is PR/scum
- Readslist #1
- the vote on Naerys
- Readslist #2

I like Naerys' last post. Keep them coming. Currently scumreading Salad, GBJ and Non. Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Wolf's pressure vote on Jackson earlier I still don't like, but at least he has contributed with his other posts; Non's vote to put Jackson at L-1, in combination with the lack of reasoning behind his posts, I particularly don't like.
Do you find him just not providing reasoning scummy and not the actual actions?
All of the above is justified if there's a reason for it. So the former.
I sort of disagree because I think scum could easily give reasons for their actions as appeasement. I think we should looking at actions themselves and if they have scum motivation
So you are okay with GBJ's actions so far?
No? I just disagree with you saying “GBJ is just scummy because he doesn’t give reasons.” I think GBJ’s actions/motivation is scummy
I see. I mean, his lack of posts obviously concerns me as well, but this is what stood out the most.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:44 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 323, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I NEED SCUMFLIPS TO APPEASE MY INCREASING ANGER!

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:45 am
by Kanna
In post 406, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 402, Kanna wrote:Also about Map;
>defended GBJ + from previous game, I have reason to believe he’s not a busser
> early on, I felt he was more aggressive but his tone has changed
> generally been coasting
Fair enough. Define "busser", though, I'm not familiar with that term.
Saladman27 wrote: Norway is obvtown, Datisi is doing townie things plus has more than double posts than me.
You are doing great examinations, (especially of me)
GBJ is the Lynch today. Non I already explained.
Rest is null cause I'm too lazy to read them since it was supposed to be a shotgun read list.
Fair as well.
Kanna wrote:Readlist goes;

<Norway>
<Phoenix, Non, Datisi>
<Salad, Naerys>
<GBJ, Map Wolf>

Mostly with emphasis on Norway; I think he’s quite obvtown. Will explain any placements if anyone asks.
Could you explain further about Non? Also, are Salad and Naerys scumreads or?
(omg I got asked a theory question) Bussing is when scum partners distance from each other by shading/SRing/voting so it looks better when one of them flip scum. It’s kind of dangerous though because you’re pushing against your wincon

And I did sort of explain before about Non but his play here is very similar to a lot of his games + the last game I
played with him. I don’t see any differences that make me really think he’s scum. Also they’re low TRs. I mostly SR GBJ/Map

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:48 am
by Kanna
^*in last game I played with Non, he was town

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:49 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 410, Kanna wrote:And I did sort of explain before about Non but his play here is very similar to a lot of his games + the last game I
played with him. I don’t see any differences that make me really think he’s scum. Also they’re low TRs. I mostly SR GBJ/Map
It's a interesting pet theory, but i'm pretty sure Non Imh is a more likely GBJ partner.
As you explained, if GBJ/Map is the team then Map has been bussing his own partner. And that is risky play, especially for a game with only 2 mafia and 2 power roles potentially outing him sooner or later, even if he does get some towncreds for it. It's not a likely pair, hence not worth consideration unless we reach all the way to LYLO and still haven't found GBJ's teammate somehow.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:51 am
by Kanna
No, Map hasn’t voted GBJ apart from RVS where it was clear it wasn’t serious. Why do you think it’s Non?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:54 am
by Non lmh
Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh? or am I being paranoid and reading subtext wrong again..
I'm genuinely asking btw

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:55 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Oh yeah, you're right Kanna. Sorry i didn't check Map's ISO in a while and made a noob mistake. Yeah he did argue against GBJ pretty much all day.
Anyway, why don't we check his alignment right now. Map Wolf, the table is clear for you to hammer GBJ. Do it.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:56 am
by Datisi
In post 414, Non lmh wrote:Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh? or am I being paranoid and reading subtext wrong again..
I'm genuinely asking btw
err... we're not? why do you say that?

also can you answer questions asked of you?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:56 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 414, Non lmh wrote:Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh?
No. How about you actually explain why you think this.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:04 am
by Non lmh
you both, Norway and Kanna won't go at him directly, hence all my dancing.
I'm betting on GBJ being town this time around because Datisi is gunning for him, so yeh, whatever
I'mma be pissed if GBJ ain't town
and I ain't even that cryptic, just weird, maybe

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:10 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Map wolf might be open wolf.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:12 am
by Datisi
do you think Non is Town *because* you think I'm scum pushing a mislynch, or do you think I'm scum *because* you read Non as Town?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:16 am
by NorwegianboyEE
What?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:17 am
by Datisi
Not you, Non.
I'm basically asking what came first.

a) Non TR'ed GBJ, and because of that thinks I am scum pushing a mislynch.
b) Non SR'ed me, and because of that thinks GBJ is Town.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:18 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Oh did you say Non instead of GBJ by mistake in post 420? Ok.

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:19 am
by Datisi
oof i did my bad, yes that's supposed to say GBJ

also 420 lol