Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

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outside of the fact i want votes on kinda obvious scum
yeah please revote between us

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#2888 is firmly on point.

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On my other site I am a standard scumread til proven town. It’s a thing. FK and Alice will scumread me if I type a sentence. It happens with good scum. Taking out failures on others isn’t the way to go.

we're cloning mathb

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i don't think anyone has made the "welp rc could be scum" argument

i think more people have entered a "welp how the fuck are we meant to read spam mode rc who can't focus on anything but dumping on the worst + sometimes ari" mode

former doesn't explain why i'm being mislynched to solve you; latter is exactly that

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if i'm really ~caught scum~ there's really little value in me attempting to towntell this late?
but yeah like i am town. i am going to towntell like, as much as i do compulsively

not sorry

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I am one of the few people who believes if TW is town, you might be town RC.

If TW flips town you’d probably be best to listen to me here.

this isn't a thing
the level at which rc is openwolfing
he KNOW that i know he's scum
he's stopped being reasonable a long time ago but tries to signal reasonable to the rest of the list

he needs death dude

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sigh

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teacher i think you're looking townier but you're going to get heat for this d1.
could you like interact with a bit more of e.g. my solving before i'm gone? how do you feel about my reads generally? anything you want more on?

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d2, rather

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sorry, little exhausted by work/Everything; i somewhat blanked on how towny you've been over the least 24-48 hours

in that pool i feel like we're probably looking at scum!plum (that's so much fun to say out loud). the way she approached the ari voting while calling rc/i t/t thing felt severely opportunistic and her jump onto my wagon has been one of the most lacklustre & under the radar by a pretty decent margin

i dunno i generally find her takes... ok... like they're fine, nothing has blown my feathers off i guess, probably safer to say her general posting doesn't inspire me to townread her. her interaction with the hectic wagons earlier really rubbed me the wrong way tho

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Teacher I feel like you're trying to divert the wagon to Ari while being as subtle as possible about that being your intent and displaying as much enthusiasm for TWs lynch without actually voting him. "Intent to L-1".

And, like

You're bringing up Ari/RC associatives that gives Duck an out to vote Ari. And you're waiting for an ico reaction but like... what exactly are you waiting for him to say? You seem like you're just stalling to me.

given i yelled at people to get the fuck off ari
and vote you
and i've been towncasing ari

you do not actually think this is an out i can take as either alignment

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RC doesn't actually think we're scum together
he's trying to paint a narrative that everyone is trying to create narratives/ways out for me
to try and bury the fact i really obviously don't have partner/s itt

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not a thing that's happening in any real world.

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not a thing that's happening in any real world.

Oh what happened to we have 5 days anything can happen both of you? I am discouraged but I sure as hell am not stopping Teacher. This is helpful for reads anyway pass or fail.

exactly but like.... i think the gamestate has finally advanced enough to not waste a lynch on ari who is 1) probably town, 2) not a remotely useful flip for solving either of RC and I

like everyone was all "hey let's lynch ari that'll sort tw/rc" and literally nobody had the same idea for how to actually follow up an ari lynch wrt either myself or rc

reading between the lines... it's a very shitty lynch.

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hit submit half way through my thought
the gamestate has advanced too much in the last like 6 hours to seriously revert to a compromise lynch that doesn't do anything. nobody's derailing shit. ari compromise lynch isn't happening.

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Reading between the lines all that says is you don’t understand how I formed my reads. And that’s okay.

it's totally possible, sorry.
i don't follow your full read trajectory, and i do know for a fact your {tw, rc, ari} solve is wrong. i also feel it has exactly one scum in it. but i'm also scum per it, so i'm always going to say this.

i still strongly feel that your reads are your own, and even if i don't follow them completely they feel authentic and the way you're projecting them feels real.

if you feel like i need to understand something i'm willing to listen. but you're right, i'm a step or two behind.

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I’d rather not lynch either of you today,

I’d rather Ari

I was trying to push the lynch back to ari

Yea, this is definitely not subtle. You trying to paint it that way is.....disturbing, actually.

This feels eerily similar to what I've been screaming for a few dozen pages.

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Reading between the lines all that says is you don’t understand how I formed my reads. And that’s okay.

it's totally possible, sorry.
i don't follow your full read trajectory, and i do know for a fact your {tw, rc, ari} solve is wrong. i also feel it has exactly one scum in it. but i'm also scum per it, so i'm always going to say this.

i still strongly feel that your reads are your own, and even if i don't follow them completely they feel authentic and the way you're projecting them feels real.

if you feel like i need to understand something i'm willing to listen. but you're right, i'm a step or two behind.

Yet that’s not the only solve. Stop painting it as such please.

There’s a lot of worlds I am considering. This is just the most prevalent.

didn't mean to imply those were your only reads. sorry if it came across that way.
it's just an example of one of your more prominent read which i don't totally follow but i do townread.

my post wasn't actually a critique of you at all. i just want to make sure you know if i'm not following things adequately i'm happy to slow down and listen.

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can i?

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don't need crumbs, i have a whole loaf i can't eat at home

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talk to teacher i have a hot take

*deep breath*

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duck: 1v1 me rc you're obvscum
also duck: voting outside is is stupid
also also duck: why would i ever start a 1v1 i'm going to lose
also also also duck: we're not ending this 1v1 today even if it means my lynch just lynch rc d2 easy game
also also also also duck: VOTE: plum

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duck: 1v1 me rc you're obvscum
also duck: voting outside is is stupid
also also duck: why would i ever start a 1v1 i'm going to lose
also also also duck: we're not ending this 1v1 today even if it means my lynch just lynch rc d2 easy game
also also also also duck: VOTE: plum

this read is endorsed by dannflor

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due respect rc i think the complaint was that you've consistently had like >25% of the thread (closer to 1/3 iirc but haven't checked in a while)

like
you are spamming
not we are spamming

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due respect rc i think the complaint was that you've consistently had like >25% of the thread (closer to 1/3 iirc but haven't checked in a while)

like
you are spamming
not we are spamming

Except as I showed it I wasn't spamming this game would be a very short game and I can't find scum in that.

oh sorry like you found ari, who is town
and like you found me, who is town

nice scum finding work finding scum, scum finder rc, keep it up

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i think i'm broken
can we just lynch plum

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i think it's more of a spicy read for me rn than a spicy read in general
i think plum's popins earlier were just really really wolfy and she's probably just scum regardless of our whatever-the-fuck

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....how
It's literally explaining that she likes your style but you're annoying as hell

PSA you are likeable but annoying as hell in this game

I'm pretty sure my cat could post that

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I don't give a shit about some easily fakable post like 2500+ posts go fucking hell she www spectacularly wolfy earlier in this irl day and I'd like input on that

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No, because scum are trying to win and sometimes townies do things that simply don't make sense from an informed perspective if they're good enough to understand the game. For example I said that FL was town in the Plotinus newbie because if he were scum he wouldn't be lurking. He absolutely had the power to lurk if he chose, but he just wouldn't be.

Then as town Plot should lurk or as scum Plot should be more active.

ding ding
the rise of scum!Creature 2018-19 should tell you the moment you assume someone's scumrange is microscopic you're opening yourself up to lose games against them as soon as they rand scum

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regardless appreciate that's a fine approach to scumrange/meta analysis RC

I still maintain the post you quoted is extremely easily fakable and Plum made some pretty damn wolfy posts in a high pressure gamestate today

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I mean 3007 sure as shit doesn't treat him like a three dimensional player

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And if you FoS Ari and RC Ro3 has Plum in both sets.

Ari nooo ari is town

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Yeah no
VOTE: rc
idk why I tried again you're scum fuck you et cereta

lynch me (optional) => rc => plum
assuming two red reevaluate bella
otherwise rc still red so just reevaluate accordingly

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Oh you meant Ari not me
#3020 still applies just less enthusiastically

@Ico indeed I don't think Ari has his reads sorted properly yet

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i doubt scum!RC burns up his credit for your mislynch, duck?

happened the other way round bro, I've tanked any credit I had for his and I'm at L-2 while he has one vote and Xtoxm's rvs

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Were you just fishing to see if this was, like, an OkaPoka in BP situation where I was pushing you to get you to fk off but I'd unvote if you unvoted? It's not lol.

not even slightly

I wondered if there was still enough life in the gamestate for someone to go "oh yeah Plum is wolfy" (she is) but like all I got was you shading me and Ari again so w/e I think this is a town loss unless we resolve us & execute you d1-2

Oka in BP? Idk BP but I definitely got Oka with a similar gambit in Liars & Millers

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Oh you meant Ari not me
#3020 still applies just less enthusiastically

@Ico indeed I don't think Ari has his reads sorted properly yet

so why does Ari not vote any of his (4 I think it was) scumleans?

I don't know and don't know how you expect me yo know this ico

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Alright taking a punt
Exhaustion at the fallout of the rc/tw thing? Ari is an empathetic dude he may have felt drained by the exhausting game state?

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Paraphrasing Ank:

She was hoping to save the town as long as we didn't go full 'scorched earth' and tried to diffuse this gamestate asap. She finds it absolutely stupid to handle things this way. The moment I flip town RC has removed two people who aren't wrapped around his finger from the game and our chances of actually lynching scum!RC are drastically reduced.

What he's good at is rephrasing things to look good in the moment. But it doesn't mean jack shit in context. It's just spin.

Lynching RC does not have the same effect because he's not only spamming shit at an outright inconsiderate level and making this game pretty insufferable, but because [my] personality basically stops me from even trying to shit on the thread this much.

With colourful language removed:
If this plist is going to fall for it then you deserve to lose. This is basic. If you want to diffuse extremely high tensions, do it by actually diffusing the highest-tension points in a way geared towards permance.

She's kinda disappointed in the plist as well

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Alright taking a punt
Exhaustion at the fallout of the rc/tw thing? Ari is an empathetic dude he may have felt drained by the exhausting game state?

This by the way is like

Taking Ari town and trying to reverse engineer it

Also there's the way simpler answer that, like, who Ari voted in his scumreads didn't really matter because Duckling was the lynch anyway

This was a question addressed to me that should have been addressed to Ari, not part of an Ari towncase.

I can't what's on Ari's mind. I can just guess if it helps Ico's solve. I can explain why I town read Ari - and I have been.

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I'm keeping an open mind on Ari and I have better townreads but in a state where I feel there's pretty obvious scum who is being largely ignored (or sheeped) I'm going to be defending him based on the read I DO have. I don't think the unvite there is really something I'd consider AI from ari; he's not signalling that he has high confidence reads or a solve he feels is going to smash the game. I think him unvoting and leaving feels kinda just fine in character. But I'm still not sure how I'm meant to know that for a fact - I'm guessing.

I'm doing moving stuff and like tbh I don't give a shit about derailing this into theory so I'm not going to waste my team's time.

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If this plist is going to fall for it then you deserve to lose. This is basic. If you want to diffuse extremely high tensions, do it by actually diffusing the highest-tension points in a way geared towards permance.

It's just delayed.

I find it hard to believe that RC gets away with staking his life on your lynch if you flip town. If you are, it's not ideal/ you have to rely on the rest of town to push the issue. I get it.

But the good news is Math doesn't let it slide and I wouldn't let it slide. Even in the unlikely event we both die, Skitter takes the torch and I have a lot of faith in skitters play.

I'm trusting the rest of the town. A fucking lot. I just know he's literally a walking white noise machine as scum (evidenced this phase) and given it's already heavily suboptimal lynching in this order...

My trust comes with a healthy dose of anxiety.

I'm not going down so he can fuck the d2 gamestate into surviving. D2 is a mute execution of RC or I am sincerely disappointed.

Just nothing I'm now L-1 without a breath of hesitation or engagement with my reads or casing. Just in case we needed any more evidence I'm a mislynch.

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Ok, somehow there's 20 pages (I haven't read) that have popped up in the last like 9/10 hours and I'm V/LA during the next couple days. I'm fine with the votes going to the duck so will oblige before vanishing. VOTE: The Worst

Flopz if you're town turn the fuck up after RC is dead. Your brand of AtE can be found at the average dollar store but they returned your scumhunting with a defect.

I hope you're not unaware enough that you don't know this but. If you're town you are a huge lategame mislynch risk. If you're scum then w/e just bus RC for me d2.

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Ank is concerned RCE isn't quite on point. RC gets away with a lot more than he should as scum, and regardless of his alignment has basically caused a sincerely unfun d1 just to get a mislynch. [duck chiming in: after consuming his gift of 7 days of fucking misery I STILL had to demand a lynch between us over ari]

Neither of us really trust the town to lynch RC given the resolution of this phase to lynch me. If this does get hammered, everyone here needs to have a long look at my green ass role pm and then remember they accepted this shitty unfun game stat and compromised on this.

There is one way to remedy this.

Lynch RC second. Have an enjoyable game without him toxifying the atmosphere afterwards. No matter what he says d2 if you disagree with this you can enjoy a town loss.

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ank wants a {iconeum/skitter/mathblade/rce} towncore and for like, everyone else to die

Still v much a thing
I personally want teacher in here more than skitter

and I'm normally the guy going "don't forget teacher can scum guys!!!"

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Flopz is like... slimy yeah......

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the laws of lolconeum dictate that flopz is near guilty levels of scum btw

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@skitter
This

If ico is scum with me he doesn't desperately flail on a wagon past minute. if he's scum without me he's posted and already won my hardest townread. I don't have time to slam dunk him. He doesn't habitually alienate people as scum he's a lazy dragon. He's not distancing because he stinks at distancing unprompted (no offense ico but..... AvP)

I feel you're kinda.. offput? or something by him but your scumread on him sucks. you can't explain it because he's really obviously town. fix tunnel asap please.

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Skitt

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also scum!coneum will try everything in his power to get rid of someone like the worst on D1 lol (unless S/S obviously?)

soulread something something

You know despite you being aware of this
After I've correctly scumcased you twice in a row lategame I'm prepared to accept that it would still be more trouble than its worth trying to save me when you could just prodge.

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Anyway like
This gamestate sucks hard
It's slow to move in and it's awful to play in
So skitter is exhausted and not having fun

Unforrunately those traits are typical of an off scumgame from skitter

The emotional range she's displayed is wide for scum!her which tends to suggest she's town and I also think she's sincere but I think it's pretty easy to sincerely dislike this game regardless of alignment. so I don't think it's clearing

don't even look twice at her until RC is dead and like only if PoE feels wrong after RC is dead but just be slightly wary of her. still think she's but she's worst case scenario deepwolf threat.

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also scum!coneum will try everything in his power to get rid of someone like the worst on D1 lol (unless S/S obviously?)

soulread something something

You know despite you being aware of this
After I've correctly scumcased you twice in a row lategame I'm prepared to accept that it would still be more trouble than its worth trying to save me when you could just prodge.

You also know that when I'm actually motivated and invested, I don't easily relent on my own thoughts tho.

You can taste real ico thoughts though. Lazy town!Ico has believable tunnels. Your scumgame is an imitation of your lazy towngame that can be confusing if you just hardtunnel early but like you still scumside when it counts and over a phase or two of you playing hard you're either scummy or confusing and PoEable

You're not tunnelling at all here. If you were scum you'd be picking hardmode for no reason, which is super inconsistent with your scumgame

You just look like you're playing like hardcore lategame invested townconeum wrt being heavily anti-consensus, fluid thoughts, townsiding, tunnels are light and believable, etc.

I get if people maybe think worst case scenario we're s/s but I think I kinda got obvtown a while ago. And yeah if I flip your e clearly not scum vs. me aorn.

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gonna be honest, haven't started reading those 40+ pages yet

but who in this game is AGAINST lynching the duck today? Or has openly spoken against his lynch?

teacher/rce have been like, ponderous.
Xtoxm still voting RC but hasn't really been around.

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ank wants a {iconeum/skitter/mathblade/rce} towncore and for like, everyone else to die

Still v much a thing
I personally want teacher in here more than skitter

and I'm normally the guy going "don't forget teacher can scum guys!!!"

I have ank approval on {ico, skitter, mathblade, teacher}!

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ank wants a {iconeum/skitter/mathblade/rce} towncore and for like, everyone else to die

Still v much a thing
I personally want teacher in here more than skitter

and I'm normally the guy going "don't forget teacher can scum guys!!!"

I have ank approval on {ico, skitter, mathblade, teacher}!

and rce obv. he's still town

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>: (
I'm still really not comfortable having the seal running around causing more chaos day two pals.

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I wish I was cool enough to fake scumreading him this long. I don't have a dedicated PC at the moment - can only do so much on work laptop and causing via mobile is a nightmare. I can't do crazy hyperduck 24/7 but that doesn't lessen the fact he's scum.

I get the chaos thing is a common factor of RC's playstyle but this time it's all either completely baseless or riddled with contradictions and blatant misrepresentations. Town!RC uses the chaos to sort. He's like a storm. What's he doing here? Using chaos to make me look weaker.

He feels obvscum to me dragon.

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the worst (6): tris, skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz

(edited to include flopz' l-1)
wouldn't you guys just look at this lovely pure wagon ~ this must be all town I haven't seen such a wonderfully motivated wagon for a long time

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Wasn't this a strong 1v1 a moment ago? Now it's angryface cuteDuck But He's Going to Keep Causing Chaos?

I am a friendly duckie by nature and I'm exhausted. I don't think I have the empathy/emotional capacity/social capital to angrypost aorn. That doesn't mean that I'm not still indignant that a really obvious scumbag is pushing for my mislynch.

There a reason you're more focused on my tonality than the small mountain of consistent valuable content I've dropped since your vote?

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He pointed a few interesting things out. What caught your eye?

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I'm also slightly intrigued.

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9. If tw flips town and rc is alive tomorrow i think i am just going to vote him because this is ridiculous and i'm starting to hate how he is holding the game hostage. If tw is scum and rc is alive tomorrow i guess he gets another lynch but i really hope he's less ~this~ about it because i kinda hate how he's running this game rn. And if he just dies we can all just move past this so ngl there is a part of me secretly hoping for this outcome

Saw the intent as I saw this so - this is the big one to heed. RC is just fucking scum. He will flail and squirm like fucking crazy tomorrow - ignore it and kill the crap out of him.

The other part I wanted to talk about is yes ico very town

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Uhh I don't have mobile data atm
My home Internet is being cut in a couple of days and network is playing up anyway

I can't really post unless I use work wifi (= give me 2 hours if you can?)

If not just fucking kill the seal
He's scum and without joking for a second: you are all giving me a lot of reasons to lose confidence.

My read rate soars when I'm mislynched but engaged.
1 scum in {rc}, 1-2 in {plum, flopz}

it I'm not back later seeya. Still love you all. Just lynch the fucking seal.

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My wagon is a mix of radiantscumfuck, wolfy slots and a bunch of people who don't really think I'm scum but want the day over.

Anyone who thinks this hits red is deluded.

where the fuck are my teammates?

This might actually be the grossest mislynch I've seen in two years and I've seen some pretty dense mislynches. You are lynching a townie to try and fix the gamestate. I am clearly not the scumslot in this dichotomy and I am not the problem. EVEN AFTER SPAM POSTING MY THOUGHTS I STILL HAVE LESS THAN HALF HIS POSTS.

When I green:
- nobody touches math for the rest of the game.
- nobody touches rce for the rest of the game.
- nobody touches ico for the rest of the game.
- RC is lynched tomorrow. He autodies.
- I don't think RC was bussing Ari this phase but that's not for me to decide.

If anyone breaks from this path they are outright fucking gamethrowing.

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Both of you stop please this is not productive.

Worst save your data.

RC let your last word be your last word.

Pedit TW if we disagree it is not gamethrowing. It would be going against common sense MS meta but not throwing.

RC the easiest way TW can’t “townspew” is if you don’t respond.

That's my last will wrt townreads. I'll accept a really fucking good reason to go against them. Not lynching EX d2? That would be gamethrowing, plain and simple.

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Until TW is hammered I am gonna be making sure that he gets hammered.

friendly reminder this has been the last 60 pages for me from the moment I called RC out. This is not a towny sentiment.

Ok off to work. I suspect I'm gone by the time I return.