Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

[Xtoxm]

i mean it sounds like the setup we have relies on scum making kills, so we could just make the game vanilla nightless if you dont wanna risk rce
relies on the claims so far being real, of course
the 'innos' would eventually remove themselves on math/ico that way

[implosion]

do you know if you being jailed means you still appear inno to a detective?

@implo

if player A tried to perform a night kill but was blocked from doing so (like was targeted by a jk or rb), would they appear as inno or guilty to a detective ?

Guilty. See the wiki:

A positive result is returned from players that have actively killed another player, or attempted to kill another player but failed.

[skitter30]

i mean it sounds like the setup we have relies on scum making kills, so we could just make the game vanilla nightless if you dont wanna risk rce
relies on the claims so far being real, of course
the 'innos' would eventually remove themselves on math/ico that way

yeah i don't want to do this either
i don't want to artificially drag the game out, my motivation is flagging

i guess how worried do i need to be about:

rce flipping jk leading back to m

[Xtoxm]

well, its going to come out at some point right?
either from the jks mouth, or from deduction when it turns up dead

[Xtoxm]

since your guilty to a det now, need to ask if its still worth keeping rc...theres a good chance he checks u i think?
altho im still no believing theres both a det and a doc. thats some follow the cop shit.

[skitter30]

i feel like it might be more glaring now tho: why didn't they try to kill ico? how did they know to kill rce?

i don't particularly object to killing rc tonight, but i'm worried that ico will be on him

i'm more annoyed about doc + jk tbh

[Xtoxm]

scum would know that they didnt kill math, thereforce whatever stopped the kill is elsewhere.
rce talked about suspicion of ico, and has made it fairly obvious he targeted u (if hes the jk)
i agree it looks bad, but its going to look bad when it comes out anyway.
your argument needs to be that you were the n1 kill.

[skitter30]

sigh

yeah

i'll do my best

[skitter30]

If we dont kill rc tomorrow night tho, he just checks me n3 to determine whether or not i was killer or killee

And if ico is alive he just protects him

I really hate this setup so much

[skitter30]

And we even identified the key pr to this mess n1 too

[Xtoxm]

its how normal games are unfortunately
this was the only game i didnt wanna play
but my team were like
we need the game that town are more likely to win for EV reasons

[skitter30]

I think that two sources of preventing nks + investigative is kinda bs

the nks are chained and we have no way to get around that until it's too late.

We cant kill ico because rce could be on him
We cant kill rc because ico could be on him
If we kill rce rc probably checks me n3 and we cant kill him because ico would be on him

They're probably shot limited, i guess, but it's not helpful if we dont know how and thus have to avoid trying to nk large swaths of people because they might be protected

/rant

[skitter30]

I almost want to gamble and try for rc but i think ico will be on him and if rc isnt dead we just have the same problems tomorrow night

[skitter30]

Or maybe we gamble on ico
I dont even know

[Xtoxm]

i think ico is fairly likely to be jailed tbh, so in that sense rc might be a safe shot

[Xtoxm]

i would still be unsurprised if rc isnt det btw
jk+doc+det seems kinda borked even by the townsided standards of the nrg

[skitter30]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10680941

Well i just found this gem ^

[skitter30]

i think ico is fairly likely to be jailed tbh, so in that sense rc might be a safe shot

I'm wondering if we should just take this gamble ?

I think ico is p likely to be on him if he can tonight
The question is if rce would be on ico, and i'm not super confident he would be ...

[Xtoxm]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10680941

Well i just found this gem ^

yeah guess i should have no expectations lol.

[Xtoxm]

i think ico is fairly likely to be jailed tbh, so in that sense rc might be a safe shot

I'm wondering if we should just take this gamble ?

I think ico is p likely to be on him if he can tonight
The question is if rce would be on ico, and i'm not super confident he would be ...

if this is what you wanna do, im fine with it

[skitter30]

I would want to say that we should just go for it because having a jk/doc in the same game who can protect each other seems silly, and that there must be some limitation to prevent that interaction (macho, simple/complex, night limited etc)

But i just found a counterexample so

[skitter30]

I think trying to guess where rce will be tonight is a crapshoot
I dont particularly think he will be on ico but idk

He might if he thinks ico is scum, i guess

[Xtoxm]

way i see it, fhpov ico is either a real doc and therefore likely to die, or scum creating a bullshit gamble. both would be a good jk shot. im pretty sure thats where id be as a jk.
but yeah its basically a crapshoot cus idk how rce thinks

[Xtoxm]

gamble=gambit

[skitter30]

I kinda want to risk it

Pros:
- rc and detective will be out of the game
- posting pace should become manageable again
- sets up ico conflict, casts doubt on ico/math
- if rce was in fact on ico, will make rce lynchable

Cons:
- we might miss the shot depending on ico and rce targets

Killing rce:
Pros:
- his pr will be out of the way
- almost for sure make the shot
- will let us nk ico tomorrow

Cons:
- implicates me
- rc probably cant die till n4 and if he's a detective that's p bad for us
- nd the game pace wont slow down