Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

if aaron doesn't flip scum i'm eating my red clown nose

AF is being manipulated by Chemist

TRUST ME

I’VE PLAYER WITH CHEMIST LONGER THEN ANYONE HERE.
IK FOR A FACT CHEMIST IS SCUM MANIPULATING AF.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

let me know how pushing the scumteam as all neighborizers goes in postgame

LYNCH ME THEN!
LYNCH ME!
I’ll kill Chemist!
But your afraid of that aren’t you?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Alisae legit confirmed it was a team of all Neighborizors

[TrueSoulEnergy]

By refusing to say my quote.
And not saying the full response I gave them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Is TSE spewing Chemist town?

Spewing them Scum.
OK
THIS POST RIGHT HERE CONFIRMS CHEMIST/BITMAP SCUM TEAM!!

Can’t you all see this?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ank is even refusing to mention Chemist.
How is this not obvious to y’all.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Even if Ank is Town.
3/5 Neighborizors are still scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Although it would make sense Scum Neighborizor’s Insomnia.
To manipulate them.
Chemist Neighborized AF to manipulate them.


So I’m either going to get killed tonight or welcomed into the last Scum Neighbourhood.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Is TSE spewing Chemist town?

is this an actual take?

It’s the opposite.
They are trying to manipulate you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s legit super obvious.
How is everyone so blind?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Titus: Just wanted to let you know that hooding gobble is not a thing I can do, so if that is indeed the plan you had in mind, it's not a thing that can happen.

Why isn’t it something that you can do?

Because of the second half of that post.

-Cerb

Are you the Town one or the scum one?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So we know Bitmap and Chemist are scum.
So we have 1 more out of Ank, RR and Hectic.
If it’s Hectic I expect to be Neighborized by them tonight because I’m the one guy trying to foil their plans.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think it's a useless vote, I town read the slot and it gets PoE'd later if anything, but it's a complete waste of a vote right now.

Aaron is more likely to flip scum, I made a string of posts commenting on Aaron, I think they have potential and should be looked at and really considered.

What’s your read on Chemist.

Because mine is a Scum using manipulation on AF.
But I know you don’t have the same read as me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I was actually entertaining the thought of Aaron / RR / Pine for a change if there are 3 scum alive + Alisae

NO it’s the Neighborizors FFS!
I feel Ank is the scum out of them/RR and Hectic.

It makes sense.
Chemist choose AF because they could solve the game and Chemist knows he can manipulate him.
Ank chooses you to manipulate and makes sure to make you think it isn’t a team of full Neighborizors
Bitmap chooses Ank because he’s insane in the membrain.

Also I’d like to point out Ank called Bitmap maybe scum but then didn’t mention it at all after.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Seth I also scum lean Chemist but I think Aaron is scum here and I actually have a case on him.

Trust me.
This is gonna be a miss lynch.
Lynch Chemist first he’s manipulating.
Either way you point them in a team right?
And with my theory AF is Town and Chemist is scum.
Look at this from a PoE standpoint.

Logically Chemist is the best Lynch for today.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ha Jokes on you all it isn’t Bitmap!
Me, Chemist and Ank are all scum Neighborizors playing you like a fiddle!
And I Neighborized Myself last night. Mwaaaaaaaaa.

This must mean it’s time for me to die.
I shall buss Chemist and take over the game
Mwaaaaaaa!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oops wrong PT.
That was meant to go to my personal one.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You know, it's time to go back to my roots.

WW(RC)D

What Would RC Do?

He'd probably say the Chemist lynch is bad and for TSE to shut up.

Your just scared of me and you want to make sure we miss lynch and lose this game.

Mwahahahaha.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: TSE

HA.
Exactly what I expected you to do!
Mwaahahaha!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

This game is so fucking trolololol.

I regret nothing.

I’m fine lynching Aaron tbh. Talk of it is cluttering thread. I’ll look at the VC when it comes.

No lynch Chemist or Me.

Either way you get rid of scum!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

the wheel said bitmap is cute and town

That’s a lie!
You didn’t spin it!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Insomnia

In the Case of Chemist and Bitmap both flipping Scum.
It legit confirms AF as Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

the wheel said bitmap is cute and town

Ooo sorry that was actually a bankrupt spin so it says you’re poor and tramp

im offended

I will now become TSE 2.0

Excuse me!
Only Chemist gets to be that!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Titus: Alisae slipped 3 people town
TSE: omg titus you're going to throw the game

---

Also TSE: alisae slipped all the scum are neighborizers

What about it?
I don't understand your point unless your also insane in the memebrain like Bitmap.

The 3 People Titus thinks are Slipped Town are AF, Chemist and RR.
Which is COMPLETELY FALSE.

As Chemist is Neighborizor who’s manipulating AF.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Alisae legit slipped and hoping for 2 things.

1) To figure out a way to retract that
2) Hope Titus considers Chemist town and Chemist pulls of a scum win like the Bullshit player he is.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

oh god you don't even get it

I just can't

Did you not see the post where ALISAE REFUSED TO SAY A QUOTE.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT DIDN’T EVEN MENTION MY FULL POST. CUT MY POST AND ONLY RESPONDED TO THE POST ALISAE WANTEE TO RESPOND TO.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: AaronFrost

Idc anymore
I
D
C

Noooiooo.

It’s Chemist!
He’s scum manipulating AF.

Don’t let chemist get what he wants!
Chemist has been a bad boy!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: AaronFrost

Idc anymore
I
D
C

Noooiooo.

It’s Chemist!
He’s scum manipulating AF.

Don’t let chemist get what he wants!
Chemist has been a bad boy!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

WTF IS THIS!!!!!???!!!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Is TSE spewing Chemist town?

I am spewing him Scum.

Stop trying to manipulate the town.

We ALL KNOW YOU AND CHEMIST ARE SCUM!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

fucking hell I needed that laugh

thank you TSE

[TrueSoulEnergy]

your caps lock key might be stuck TSE
should get a mechanic in to look at that
maybe even someone who specialises in WHEELS

Oh I do that to make a point clear.
Sorta like when you highlight a piece of work.

To show the part everyone must see.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i think the WHEEL had better reads tbh TSE
maybe revert back

....
Is it perhaps You, Bitmap and Chemist?

Why don’t you just Neighborize me tonight.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ok for real now

TSE please tell me you understood the joke and were just ironically responding

What joke?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

NOTICE HOW ALISAE REFUSES TO TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORIZORS!!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

why do you want me to neighbourise you?

Exactly.
You shouldn’t.
But if your scum you may attempt to because I’m right on the full Neighborizor scum team.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

lul

What is that a

context

to?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Im just going to ignore mechanics and clears

Good.
Now here me out.

Chemist = Mafia Neighborizor who manipulated AF.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

lul

What is that a

context

to?

Still waiting.
Is this a slip and it was a

context

to your scum PT?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i do think Misty is more likely scum than AaronFF

Pedit oh my God TSE
i prefer you when you're scum

He just slipped!
He knew I wasn’t scum!
VOTE: Hectic

Lynch!

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

UNVOTE:

not feeling this anymore after reading his iso with the intention of finding town!him. I missed the post where he mentioned having a bad day and was really stressed so the option of him popping in with the intention of picking fights with the people that are advocating his lynch after having irl problems is like really really plausible.

VOTE: Pine backup plan

No don’t be manipulated!
Choose Chemist!
If you scum read Chemist then vote him!
VOTE: Chemist

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Bitmap

Bitmap is fine too.

VOTE: Bitmap

Get Chemist next after this flips Scum!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also Town!Chemist

Never Scum reads me for how and how long he’s been.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Holy fuck 40 pages appeared since I last checked this game.

I think I'm already on Bitmap. A VC would be nice right now but I think both the mods are busy.

This day has been a mess

.

I agree.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Maki + Kaito, Hectic, Bitmap, what was the fourth?

-S

Chemist.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Maki + Kaito, Hectic, Bitmap, what was the fourth?

-S

Isn't Chemist a JOAT?

Legit just scum slipped here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist isn’t talking anymore because both Alisae and Bitmap sorta fucked them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yes Chemist claimed JOAT in thread

So he’s a mafia JOAT just like the one who died.

HOW ARE PEOPLE NOT SEEING THIS??!!!??

[TrueSoulEnergy]

A bit yeah all the scum Neighborizors are JOAT’s.

And never mind about the chemist not talking I can now see he posted something on this page.
My bad.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

this is just vfm49 all over again zzz

or was it 48?

Let’s see how much you recall it.

What was the role I called you as and who was the person it actually was?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

see now who's opinion matters more?
Me or TSE?
Hint: its me

No it’s me.
Your ConfScum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist is Scum.
Simple.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

his playstyle hasn't annoyed me because he's fun and I play on mafiascum to have fun not tryhard

ty

^ Their Open Wolfing!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think Chemist is like Creature
give him a couple years, he'll get good by then

He’s Chemist.
He already reached his maximum.

However I have yet to show you my full power!
I’m not even over 9000 yet.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hasn't Creature gotten worse over time tho?

-S

he's gotten a lot better at scum and his towngame is still decent

Chemist’s Scum Meta And Town Meta is almost identical.
Really difficult to tell the difference.
I’ve played with Chemist the longest.
I know Chemist more then anyone here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

his playstyle hasn't annoyed me because he's fun and I play on mafiascum to have fun not tryhard

ty

^ Their Open Wolfing!

>accepts compliment
OPENWOLFING REEEEE

grow up

“grow up”
Lol. good one.
Predictable as always I see.
Just saying your interactions with Alisae are so basic and dumb it’s not funny.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think Chemist is like Creature
give him a couple years, he'll get good by then

He’s Chemist.
He already reached his maximum.

However I have yet to show you my full power!
I’m not even over 9000 yet.

Ok, so if we were to put mafia players in league elo brackets
You would be in bronze, Chemist would be in silver.
You would stay in bronze in a year, and Chemist could probably move up to gold maybe plat

He already has the Chemist medal.
He can’t move up nor down.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Except bitty

TSE v. Chemist
Anyone?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

you could move up if you got a reality check

Or you know.
I’m right about your team which makes me super good and your just bluffing me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE - Obv Town
Chemist - Obv Scum


TSE V.S Chemist.

Will TSE solve the puzzle like he always does?
Or will Chemist finally take his revenge and defeat TSE once and for all!
Find out next episode on Versus!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic.

If game doesn’t end their.
It’s RR or Ank.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

and thats why you're hardstuck

That’s why I’d be so pissed if you won because no one believed in me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic.

If game doesn’t end their.
It’s RR or Ank.

Hectic is fine by me. Bitmap's ok. The rest no.

Out of curiosity, why did Aaron fall out of your solve?

Because I believe the scum are all Neighborizors.
Aaron isn’t a Neighborizor.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Hectic

Watch Guys.
Chemist and Bitmap will refuse to vote this.
(Well Bitmap might because they are Bitmap but Chemist will refuse to vote this for sure)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

if I had a treestump game it’d probably be against ali, mena, or datisi

That’s because your scared of me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And what I can do.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic.

If game doesn’t end their.
It’s RR or Ank.

Hectic is fine by me. Bitmap's ok. The rest no.

Out of curiosity, why did Aaron fall out of your solve?

Because I believe the scum are all Neighborizors.
Aaron isn’t a Neighborizor.

Aaron hasn't claimed?

I highly doubt he’s a Neighborizor TBH.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

See Chemist is scared of me RN.
He’s shaking in his pants.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yo Chemist.
How’s that Scum PT going for yeah?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You respond to my message yet?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok lynch af

How stupid are you?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And I mean that in a nice way!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And I mean that in a nice way!

Good cuz I was going to RIP you a new one.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And I mean that in a nice way!

TOXIC

Melanie Martinez covering Britney Spears

I’m not toxic.
No No No.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

you're not toxic you're just delusional

HA You Wish!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm really interested in hearing what you think I want btw.

I know what you want

AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA!!!!!!!!

-S

AND QUIRKY
WE WERE PLAYING THIS ONE GAME AND HE WAS ROLEPLAYING
IT WAS INTERESTING BUT I WAS TOO DISTRACTED BY HOW

HOT

HE WAS

Does he also go by the name StarV?
If so, I agree.
And I’m not even a Woman or Gay.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

StarV looks like one of those cool ass Youtubers.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

look at allllll those chickens

Stop with these stupid Alisae interactions!
Or just wolf claim!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist and Allsae’s Post interactions are bad.
Yes. I’m aware I’m repeating myself here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist is objectively scummy, I agree with TSE.

TY Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

No Maki and Kaito

They're not scum

What inspired you to say this?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Aaron

actually I don't care, this is where I'm most willing to reconsider right now and where I don't have to fight Ank

-S

Your not willing to reconsider Chemist?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don't know. He should die at some point though.

Who has claimed Joat so far?

Chemist.
A neighbour ability JOAT.
And know what the funny part is?
That’s RIGHT! Good Boy!
The dead mafia member also happens to be EXACTLY that role.
I think Alisae made all their mafia members Neighborizing JOATs.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

RR I think said he was JOAT or hinting at it.
If that’s the case then the last mafia is within Bitmap, Ank and Hectic.
I’d say more likely Bitmap.

IDK TBH.
Honestly the only thing I’m positive in is lynching a Neighborizor JOAT today is the right call.
Because if Alisae really did make their entire mafia team Neighbourizing JOAT’s we pretty much auto win by lynching a Neighbour JOAT Claim today.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE why exactly do you think that the whole scum team is JOATs all with neighborizers?

Like all JOATs I could see, but each of them having a neighborizer seems unlikely to me.

If you've already explained this then quote it for me.

Alisae response to Neighborizors was BAD for a Treestump.
Also their so and so “Slip” is also telling.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Your not willing to reconsider Chemist?

Maybe? At this point I'm getting kinda worn down with this day. I think rereading Aaron the things I liked in his iso actually aren't as good as I thought they were whereas the things I liked in chemist are holding up better in my mind

-S

Trust me.
AF is Town here.
The recent content spews AF Town.
If Alisae didn’t intervene they may have gotten the AF misslynch off.
I think they did that because Chemist was on the chopping block.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And they wanted to see if anyone would pick up on the mafia setup.
And guess who picked up in it.
That’s right!
THIS GUY!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s Mafia Neighborizing JOATs.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don't think Ali recruits Aaron tbh.

I will say the people with neighborizers and joat abilities need to be better about using them if town is going to win this, so please, be better

ty

They won’t be.
They did the right thing.
Because 3/5 of them are scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’ll admit.
I could be wrong.
But I could also be correct.
And I don’t want to lose to some stupid mafia rolesetup like 4 Neighborizing JOAT’s.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE why exactly do you think that the whole scum team is JOATs all with neighborizers?

Like all JOATs I could see, but each of them having a neighborizer seems unlikely to me.

If you've already explained this then quote it for me.

Alisae response to Neighborizors was BAD for a Treestump.
Also their so and so “Slip” is also telling.

I think the 'slip' was done to cause pandemonium, which it's apparently doing a good job of.

Like I agree that scum most likely has another neighborizer of some kind, but to say the entire scum team is neighborizing JOATs is a reach for how much info we have right now.

Maybe but think of it.
Don’t you think it’s very possible for Alisae to pick a setup like that.
Look at Alisae
Then look at all the Normal Roles.
Which ones you think Alisae is going to pick?
Which would cause the most chaos and make Titus lose?
That’s right! Neighborizing JOAT’s.

Chemist is a good choice for a scum mate for a few reasons.
1) He’s not a scummy player.
So he can’t really be PL’ed and you doesn’t really ever fool around to the point of being bad.
He’s a very relaxed and “chemist” Playstyle.
I don’t like it TBF but it has its pluses.
2) He’s good at Neighborizing.
In a game I played on Mafia 451 he Neighborized the Cop.
Told his mafia to frame the Cops target.
Got the target lynched who from reactions to the cop guilty alone spewed town.
But no one was willing to lynch Chemist for it.
3) Leverage
Chemist as the capability to get out of situations the “Chemist” Way.
Like to the point that no one feels directly comfortable on lynching chemist.
So Chemist can sound so genuine and make people uneasy on voting him.

And with all this I don’t know what else I have to do to explain to people that Chemist is Scum here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'll compromise on Pine if we need to sacrifice the negative utility to the mech solving gods but I still don't know what page the Aaron/Ali interaction thing was that TSE thinks spews him town and I'd like to review that if possible thanks

-S

What’s wrong with Chemist?
Did you read my last post?


Here I’ll show you what to do.
I’ll give you a hand.
VOTE: Chemist
Do that ^

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If Chemist was Town he would have notice me being Town by now and have said I’m in my Town Meta.
The fact he didn’t is just like he was in Mafia 451
Neighborizor Scum.

Don’t let the chemist fool you all.
Chemist no deserve win.
Chemist bad boy.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I mean honestly I'm still willing to lynch Chemist but Titus veto'd it

Which is the wrong course of action.
Do what’s right for Town.
Do what is best for business
Do what is best for this game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And that best thing is.
To vote “Chemist.”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE is this the ali exchange you're talking about? I'm trying to make sense of what you're talking about https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11597722

-S

WDYM?
What context.
The link you gave me doesn’t have the context with the Chemist and Alisae Interaction.
Chemist and Alisae had an interaction.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The slip for me is where Alisae refuses to quote the quote I gave them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And restates it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The way I see it.
She would probably go like.
“

I wonder if I made my entire mafia team all Neighborizors. Would Town never lynch at least 1 of them

?”

You seem very interested on this subject. Would you like a hint?

I want you to repeat that exactly quote I said, here I’ll bold it for you.
I want to see it WITH MY OWN EYES!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The way I see it.
She would probably go like.
“

I wonder if I made my entire mafia team all Neighborizors. Would Town never lynch at least 1 of them

?”

You seem very interested on this subject. Would you like a hint?

I want you to repeat that exactly quote I said, here I’ll bold it for you.
I want to see it WITH MY OWN EYES!

The way I see it.
She would probably go like.
“

I wonder if I made my entire mafia team all Neighborizors. Would Town never lynch at least 1 of them

?”

You seem very interested on this subject. Would you like a hint?

I want you to repeat that exactly quote I said, here I’ll bold it for you.
I want to see it WITH MY OWN EYES!

Answer my question.

The way I see it.
She would probably go like.
“

I wonder if I made my entire mafia team all Neighborizors. Would Town never lynch at least 1 of them

?”

You seem very interested on this subject. Would you like a hint?

I want you to repeat that exactly quote I said, here I’ll bold it for you.
I want to see it WITH MY OWN EYES!

Answer my question.

STOP FLAILING A SAY IT MAMA!
SAY THE DAMN BOLDED MAMA!

The way I see it.
She would probably go like.
“

I wonder if I made my entire mafia team all Neighborizors. Would Town never lynch at least 1 of them

?”

You seem very interested on this subject. Would you like a hint?

I want you to repeat that exactly quote I said, here I’ll bold it for you.
I want to see it WITH MY OWN EYES!

Answer my question.

STOP FLAILING A SAY IT MAMA!
SAY THE DAMN BOLDED MAMA!

Do you want a hint yes or no?
If you don't answer I'm going back to working on the ceremony.

The way I see it.
She would probably go like.
“

I wonder if I made my entire mafia team all Neighborizors. Would Town never lynch at least 1 of them

?”

You seem very interested on this subject. Would you like a hint?

I want you to repeat that exactly quote I said, here I’ll bold it for you.
I want to see it WITH MY OWN EYES!

Answer my question.

STOP FLAILING A SAY IT MAMA!
SAY THE DAMN BOLDED MAMA!

Do you want a hint yes or no?
If you don't answer I'm going back to working on the ceremony.

I don’t want your hints.
Your trying to throw me off because I’ve caught on to your little charade.
So say the quote or your just proving me right.
And that’s the only hint I need.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don’t want your hints.

Fine then, I'll just go back to work.

SEE

They completely ignore the rest I said.

PURPOSELY

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE I'm gonna say that Ali fucking with you is NAI for chemist sorry

-S

Good take!

:/.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE why exactly do you think that the whole scum team is JOATs all with neighborizers?

Like all JOATs I could see, but each of them having a neighborizer seems unlikely to me.

If you've already explained this then quote it for me.

Alisae response to Neighborizors was BAD for a Treestump.
Also their so and so “Slip” is also telling.

I think the 'slip' was done to cause pandemonium, which it's apparently doing a good job of.

Like I agree that scum most likely has another neighborizer of some kind, but to say the entire scum team is neighborizing JOATs is a reach for how much info we have right now.

Maybe but think of it.
Don’t you think it’s very possible for Alisae to pick a setup like that.
Look at Alisae
Then look at all the Normal Roles.
Which ones you think Alisae is going to pick?
Which would cause the most chaos and make Titus lose?
That’s right! Neighborizing JOAT’s.

Chemist is a good choice for a scum mate for a few reasons.
1) He’s not a scummy player.
So he can’t really be PL’ed and you doesn’t really ever fool around to the point of being bad.
He’s a very relaxed and “chemist” Playstyle.
I don’t like it TBF but it has its pluses.
2) He’s good at Neighborizing.
In a game I played on Mafia 451 he Neighborized the Cop.
Told his mafia to frame the Cops target.
Got the target lynched who from reactions to the cop guilty alone spewed town.
But no one was willing to lynch Chemist for it.
3) Leverage
Chemist as the capability to get out of situations the “Chemist” Way.
Like to the point that no one feels directly comfortable on lynching chemist.
So Chemist can sound so genuine and make people uneasy on voting him.

And with all this I don’t know what else I have to do to explain to people that Chemist is Scum here.

Like thinking that SW or the great one can be scum is just laughable right now, tbh

Who’s “the great one”?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don't wanna shut you down TSE but I just don't see how that exchange is even slightly scum indicative for chemist?

If you wanna case chemist off meta/play you can keep doing that but I think he's hard to read and the things I see make me lean town personally

-S

Have you seen the link of that Mafia 451 game I sent you?
It legit is the same thing Chemist is doing here.
Also notice how
@Chemist
Refuses to mention that game.
Because he knows I’m right.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

there are 4 im p sure

maki
bitmap
chemist
hectic

^
There’s your scum team!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don’t think he’s scum anymore oka

^
This proves Insomnia is Town.
100%.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Quickly let’s speed lynch Chemist!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Chemist

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Got it, and have those individuals all claimed things that give feedback? Or are we assuming that they'll get feedback?

I'm ignoring the problems with the assumption that scum didn't claim ascetic(though you should consider that if scum didn't claim ascetic, then they are probably in the group of people advocating for a pine lynch, as that's one very good way to keep themselves out of the PoE that follows from that line of reasoning, while not risking being caught).

-Cerb

You wanna Claim JOAT by any chance?
If you say no and Claim JOAT later you are confirmed scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Got it, and have those individuals all claimed things that give feedback? Or are we assuming that they'll get feedback?

I'm ignoring the problems with the assumption that scum didn't claim ascetic(though you should consider that if scum didn't claim ascetic, then they are probably in the group of people advocating for a pine lynch, as that's one very good way to keep themselves out of the PoE that follows from that line of reasoning, while not risking being caught).

-Cerb

You wanna Claim JOAT by any chance?
If you say no and Claim JOAT later you are confirmed scum.

Titus has my claim. <3

-Cerb

? WDYM ?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sherlock i claimed my other shots earlier
tracker and neighbouriser
though i'm gonna try haggling with Moriarity tonight to see if he can give me a few gunsmiths too

Sure you don’t want to Neighborize me?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

hey Somni why have you changed your mind on Aaron!scum?
you seemed pretty confident earlier

Because of me.
We are Informed Roles.
We are Informed we are both Town.
So we connect and understand each other.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Best Lynch -) Chemist

Disagree?
No reason to.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

GN I’m going to sleep.
Better see Chemist being lynched in the morning.
Or ima be triggered.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Bitmap

I still think Chemist is the better lynch but this works too.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Chemmy

-S

Yeah so I think we win here after I figured out that Alisae made their entire mafia team Neighborizing JOAT’s.

Furthermore, VOTE: Chemist

And to convince you all even further.

-He JOAT claimed which follows the scum roles.
-He is currently in his scum meta.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

RN I just trying to figure out whom out of RRx Hectic and Ank is last mafia.
Question is would Ank Kill Insomnia as mafia?
The answer I have for that is “only if Insomnia caught Ank scum slipping”
(Like During Night Phase)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

FL, I’m not scum. Like, mechanically.

Awesome. I wasn’t thinking you were scum either.

Honestly, I don’t think it’s TSE, i was just doing it for clarity’s.

Can you give me a rundown, Jim, on the mechanical stuff this game?

I really think it’s just RR and one of Hectic/AF/Chemist.

Have masons been outed yet?

VOTE: RR

Espeonage and I are masons essentially now

I’m sorry but after I did the gamesolve I don’t know how anyone could think it’s me.
Do you honestly believe me to be a mafia Neighbourizing JOAT?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

That question is only meant for those who doesn’t see me as Lock Town/IC RN.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE Alisae isn't a complete idiot to make all of the scum have the same role. They would make it so that multiple people have very similar roles tho.

Oh trust me on this.
Alisae

WOULD

do that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I mean who ever doesn’t see me as an IC RN feel free to vote me.
Either way Chemist the Scummy scum butt butt is de de dead.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I agree not every joat is scum but I can see it going up to three now

this game seems entirely built around the joats

-S

I think it’s all 4 TBH.
As it’s something I’d personally do.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If I’d do it anyone else could do it.
That’s the way I see it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not a rolecop, PS

Are you a JOAT?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s like.
Both mafia JOAT’s had the

EXACT

same abilities.
When designed a rolesetup you never do that unless you intend to have all roles like that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Plus what statement do you see more of? “I’ll do All” or “I’ll do all but one”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It could be 2/2 but it’s more likely all 4 are JOAT’s with Alien, Neighborizor, Rolecop

[TrueSoulEnergy]

FL, I’m not scum. Like, mechanically.

Awesome. I wasn’t thinking you were scum either.

Honestly, I don’t think it’s TSE, i was just doing it for clarity’s.

Can you give me a rundown, Jim, on the mechanical stuff this game?

I really think it’s just RR and one of Hectic/AF/Chemist.

Have masons been outed yet?

VOTE: RR

Espeonage and I are masons essentially now

I’m sorry but after I did the gamesolve I don’t know how anyone could think it’s me.
Do you honestly believe me to be a mafia Neighbourizing JOAT?

Read on, i clearly stated my thoughts afterwards.

Read on, I clarified it wasn’t directed at you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE Alisae isn't a complete idiot to make all of the scum have the same role. They would make it so that multiple people have very similar roles tho.

Oh trust me on this.
Alisae

WOULD

do that.

Wait, you have experience with Alisae then?

Interesting. This changes stuff.

Little bit. To the extent they could definitely do something like this.
Plus their nothing like Chemist.

Alisae has the capability of doing something like this.
While the chance of Chemist to do something like this is next to none.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

RN I just trying to figure out whom out of RRx Hectic and Ank is last mafia.
Question is would Ank Kill Insomnia as mafia?
The answer I have for that is “only if Insomnia caught Ank scum slipping”
(Like During Night Phase)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

What’s this for exactly?
I mean Bitmap did this with you and look where and what he ended up.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Ank
Your going to honestly tell me Scum!you wouldn’t kill Insomnia after you slipped scum in neighbour chat?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think it’s fair to think you could still be in the POE.

I’m not giving a damn about setup in this game tbh

Or you can treat me like an IC.
Because Legit lose nothing if I’m lynched or killed.
In fact it helps town and is the reason scum is avoiding both killing and lynching me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

you don't know why I find that post so funny

and you will continue not to know

You shouldn’t find that post funny.
I think that’s a bad look/vibe on you TBH.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

lynch me before RR tbh

?.
What is the point of this post?
Elaborate.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

lynch me before RR tbh

?.
What is the point of this post?
Elaborate.

I'm very confident on RR being town for spew reasons and I'm pretty sure I have to get lynched at some point since there are multiple people who have been screaming for my head over the past two days, one of them being a nightkilled townie

Can I have your opinion on Hectic and Ank?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think hectic handled the Oka gambit in a towny way

I have no idea how to read Ank and feel like there's some mechanical stuff going on there so I'll let other people handle that slot

Can’t get much from that TBH.
WP Chemist. WP.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Maybe it’s Chemist and RR and there just fucking with me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I have no idea how to read Ank

99% of the site can't.

I think your laugh is your scum tell.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Maybe it’s Chemist and RR and there just fucking with me.

oh my god

Are you saying that as In “OMG that’s stupid?”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

there is no situation where bitmap goes "hey confirmed town titus am I allowed to push [scum buddy]"

that's only something they do if they want to be able to back out of the push post-flip

I mean.
They also said “You were outed town”
When I made a case for you being scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

no

it's "oh my god you're completely ignoring what I just said and calling me scum with RR instead of engaging me on my read like I asked"

Maybe cause I don’t by that your both Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I kinda hope chemist is town this game but think he flips scum

if that makes sense

-S

Oh he

WILL

Trust me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

im rly happy with my team tho

Because I seen through you.
All of you.
In every single way.
In every way you think.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let me know when something interesting happens.

I'll be posting in my neighborhood in the meantime.

There’s like....
No one in there.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Stop ignoring me

RR is not a good lynch today because Bitmap's vote on them does not come from a partner for reasons I explained

Now get off the wagon or engage with me on this

That’s false.
Have you seen Bitmap play?
Have you been paying attention to Bitmap.
Let’s test your memory shall we.
Who was Bitmap in a Neighbourhood with?
(Only let chemist answer this)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I kinda hope chemist is town this game but think he flips scum

if that makes sense

-S

Oh he

WILL

Trust me.

I don't think Chemist flips scum but I think a Chemist RR debate is healthy at the moment. Just please don't overpost TSE.

Again, you don’t know Chemist like I do.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He pocketed me, bitmap, as well

I don't think this is something you emphasize unless you're trying to use it to push an agenda

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Yeah no it’s a normal take.
I feel the remaining scum team is Chemist and Ank.

Ank was trying to puppet Insomnia but failed so NKed them because of that and the fact Chemist would

ALWAYS

be the lynch if Insomnia was still alive.

Chemist is trying to puppet RR and try to hard defend them because Ank failed with Insomnia. Chemist is trying to succeed with RR.

Thus.
Let’s see how Chemist reacts to this vote and if he will

Actually

vote it.

VOTE: Ank

If Ank Is Chemist’s Buddy there is a 90% chance they don’t vote them.
And a 95% chance they don’t stay on/try to get rid of the Ank Top wagon.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Stop ignoring me

RR is not a good lynch today because Bitmap's vote on them does not come from a partner for reasons I explained

Now get off the wagon or engage with me on this

That’s false.
Have you seen Bitmap play?
Have you been paying attention to Bitmap.
Let’s test your memory shall we.
Who was Bitmap in a Neighbourhood with?
(Only let chemist answer this)

is it uhhhhhh

JOHN CENA

Thanks for Open Wolfing.
Town!Chemist wouldn’t have been afraid to say Ank.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

not voting ank uvu

TYVM for scum claiming as last scums with Ank.
Much appreciated Chemist.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

fwiw I admit that I forgot who bitmap hooded but I don't see how that's relevant at all

Maybe this means Ank isn’t your buddy?
:/.

VOTE: Chemist


@Titus
Who you thinking?
Ank or Chemist?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

you're welcome uvu

please lynch me now so I don't have to deal with this anymore

@Titus
I think we just lynch Chemist as at this point he’s Open Wolfing.
Not sure if it’s actually Ank as his buddy or not TBH.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I just don’t think Chemist would do this hard defending if RR was their buddy.
Makes more sense for Ank.
Although if Chemist flips Town in some world somehow, I wanna lynch Hectic.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE I hope you know you're the reason I'm not having fun this game

:O
But Chem Chem!
You haven’t proven to me your Town.
Nor playing to your Town Meta.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So I think the posts you're quoting are + scum equity for RR.

I'm trying to decide which is better to lynch between Chem and RR but I'm kinda thinking it could just be both of them now? Is it really that easy? I'll need to look over the case against Ank.

PEDIT: Again, that was early into the day, you're assuming that Bitmap pushing there would lead to them getting lynched, which isn't necessarily true.

I agree that it isn't, but it locks Bitmap into scumreading RR, or at least having a basis of a scumread there, which generally isn't ideal that early on

So you think Hectic has more of a chance to be scum over Ank and RR?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also you are not allowed to call me "chem chem"

Why not?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE I hope you know you're the reason I'm not having fun this game

:O
But Chem Chem!
You haven’t proven to me your Town.
Nor playing to your Town Meta.

ah yes I'm sorry for not ticking some obscure boxes, that clearly makes it my fault that my enjoyment of the game is being harmed

yeah no.

What exactly makes you not having fun this game?
Only makes sense from a Scum PoV.
Unless I’m missing something?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So I think the posts you're quoting are + scum equity for RR.

I'm trying to decide which is better to lynch between Chem and RR but I'm kinda thinking it could just be both of them now? Is it really that easy? I'll need to look over the case against Ank.

PEDIT: Again, that was early into the day, you're assuming that Bitmap pushing there would lead to them getting lynched, which isn't necessarily true.

I agree that it isn't, but it locks Bitmap into scumreading RR, or at least having a basis of a scumread there, which generally isn't ideal that early on

So you think Hectic has more of a chance to be scum over Ank and RR?

Probably Ank > Hectic > RR for me right now?

But I don't think any of those slots are that likely to flip scum

You do realize 2 Of the SAME mafia JOAT’s have flipped right?
And your all the JOAT’s like that.
I mean you can’t say I’m playing bad or anything.
I’ve went from AF!Scum to AF!Town and even got Insomnia to do the same.
I’m just seeing this game like your Mafia451 one where you deceived the cop.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s just Sometimes I don’t like Chemist’s Chemist Play.
Just don’t at all. It’s hard to play with for me.
I apologize if I took it too far Chemist.
just note I’m trying to solve your slot and your not making me think your town at all.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, this is meant to be a fun game. If someone makes a simple request can you just accept it?

the fact this even has to be stated means that TSE is a literal fucking animal

Yes.
In

every

single

way your thinking of RN Alisae.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'd also like to apologise for getting you caught in the crossfire of me ekeing out a win in the pressure micro.

okay yes that is your fault /s

sorry y'all it's just been a long week

I'll hopefully feel better tomorrow since friday

Cya tomorrow.
And to help you further if your actually Town here.
(I’m only lynching within You, Ank, Hectic or RR today)
If you could. Can you give me your full reads on Hectic.
So I can get a better view of where your at towards them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also if your scum and I’m being an ass to your alignment because I’m Town trying to solve.
My apologies.
I’m just following my win con as I have it where I need to improve my win record and will win at all costs.
So yes. Scum might feel harassed in the process.
But never directly towards the individual player.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist isn't here anymore right?

Alright time to powerlynch him
VOTE: Chemist

You wanna end this that quick?
Where’s the fun in that?
I play with my food before I eat it.
What’s the fun in eating the scum so fast?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: aaronfrost

You spelt it wrong.
It’s “Chemist”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let me know when something interesting happens.

I'll be posting in my neighborhood in the meantime.

There’s like....
No one in there.

That's the joke.

Why are you joking?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m no longer playing this game, if you couldn’t tell. I’ll make one liner quips and brag post game about my reads being correct no matter what, though

RC????????????????????????????????????????????

-S

I’ll brag post game how I was right about the Role Setup Alisae Chose.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don't want to do a Chem flip or any flip until I get stuff answered.

What is your questions exactly?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Town: remember this!! Oka dies day before LyLo
TSE needs serious inspection

why do i DIE

Yes.
People need to inspect my play style if they can’t realize I’m confirmed Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i like the pokemon case a lot more

VOTE: Ankamius

Yeah that makes the most sense.

You and Ank are TVS.
VOTE: Ankamius

[TrueSoulEnergy]

BAH!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

BAH!

did u just get dayvigged?

-S

For anyone who’s stupid enough to still be scum reading S&W.
This post here Town spews them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

thanks TSE! IK that I can always rely on you to be the idiot. Love it, thank you!

I mean I helped get Bitmap lynched so eh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

thanks TSE! IK that I can always rely on you to be the idiot. Love it, thank you!

I mean I helped get Bitmap lynched so eh.

you helped your team lynch the person that was trolling their team
fantastic
thanks TSE! I can always rely on you to be the idiot

I knew you had more then 1 JOAT.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ok i talked to mods

tse should be saved until 3p lylo in which case auto lynch k thx

Lynch me in 3p
And I’ll decide who the last mafia is.
In that case town pretty much automatically wins because I can never be wrong.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ank is a good vote for today.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i do think Misty is more likely scum than AaronFF

Pedit oh my God TSE
i prefer you when you're scum

He just slipped!
He knew I wasn’t scum!
VOTE: Hectic

Lynch!

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic!

what happened to me slipping, TSE?
why'd you drop it?

address this, TSE

i like the pokemon case a lot more

VOTE: Ankamius

Yeah that makes the most sense.

You and Ank are TVS.
VOTE: Ankamius

why are we TvS?
Ank was townreading me while i scumread her

TrueSoulEnergy♤

Your both in my PoE but I don’t think both of you are the last 2 mafia.
That’s what I’m saying.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, you're the lynch with 8 alive or 6 alive, depending on how many scum are left.

And leave it up to someone else to make the final call?
I mean sure if there’s 1 scum left, Lynch me and I’ll probably nail it accurate.
If there’s 2 then I’ll have to leave it to you guys to find the last scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hey TSE
what alignment was Chemist again?

Chemist.

He was Chemist.

That was his alignment.

CHEMIST

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hey TSE
what alignment was Chemist again?

Chemist.

He was Chemist.

That was his alignment.

CHEMIST

This is why you will never improve as a mafia player and you will continue to suck.

That’s rude.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Every game I’ve seen TSE as town he’s annoyingly aggressive and into everyone’s business. Plus, he’s a major conspiracy theorist thinking the scumteam plays around him at all times. Day 1 I did not get that at all. He was mostly hiding behind that wheel gimmick. Day 2 I did get that impression, but I am reluctant to give him a town read on it because I called him out for these exact things.

I realize TSE and Ali probably have bad blood from Calendar Mafia. But TSE in this game is much more sheepish than in his town games. I could see this being because Ali is calling the shots.

I also feel like there may have been some in-fighting in the mafia chat because Bitmap’s final in game comment combined with Ali public smack talking Bitmap after his death. This makes me think two things: (1) Bitmap did not agree with how Day 1 into Day 2 went which lends some credibility to Ank’s theory that MK was a planned bus; and (2) Bitmap felt pushed out by the scum on Day 2 which lends credibility to my theory that TSE is scum (only person not on the wagon day 1 that was on the wagon day 2.

I will reiterate. TSE is either scum or lying about his role. His day play does not match up with either his town play, or this theoretical Babysitter/Vengeful hybrid role he claims to have.

That’s the point of my role though.
I can mess around a little
Because mafias fucked if they kill me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Or even lynch me for that matter.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ugh, AF is spewed town once Hectic flips scum. That’s actually like one of the most obvious mislynches now

VOTE: Hectic

[TrueSoulEnergy]

uhh right claims

rolecop tracker neighbouriser

as i said

rolecop Oka night 1: vanilla
track Somni night 2: went nowhere
night 3: forgot to submit an action...

probably would've neighbourised Ank since she was my biggest scumread at the time

You mean.
rolecop

alien

neighbouriser

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nah It's AF or Hectic today.

Pine's not scum.

Hectic.

I think there is 1 scum within Ank and Hectic.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

AF is sorta Town after that one situation and AF is spewed town with a Hectic!Scum Lynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok yeah.
The last mafia is RR and Hectic.

Chemist usually Town reads scum anyway.

@Chemist reading this post
Not to be rude but like, remember Flake?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Kinda makes sense.

RR chooses to vote AF over Hectic.
Whom yet defended AF during Day 2 and didn’t care about Hectic one bit.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

tse you down

Hectic!Scum Makes RR!Scum

So I don’t care either way.
Regardless RR will be lynched.
As long as we don’t lynch AF.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Please don’t flash the day. I’ve got some notes and iso thoughts I want to post. I’m not sure some of the things being taken at face value are very sound. I’ve got a feeling someone is seriously deep cover right now. I had a similar feeling in my game at the MU qualifier game a few months back, and I didn’t act on it because I don’t usually play by “feel” and got super burned. Don’t want to make that mistake again.

~D

this is blatant fearmongering and transparently scummy

why is this slot being vetoed?

-S

Because Titus needs to see a Hectic flip to actually believe a RR!Scum world exists.

Then we lynch RR tomorrow after Hectic flips Scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Actually I think I’m being idiotic.
It makes more sense for the team to be RR and Ank based on Hectic interactions.

Yeah we CANNOT WIN THIS GAME. Until one of RR, Hectic or Ank die.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m trying to figure out if Hectic busses.
And if he did, did he bus Ank or bus RR?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

That kind of slip isn't like guaranteed to be a proper "slip" always. It depends heavily on how trained in rhetoric the person typing the post is.

The

reaction

to being pushed on it is the point. GGs reaction is bad and then he disappeared. That's way more telling than a grammatical slip by itself.

~D

Drixx, you need to explain why you so heavily thought Chemist was a mason.

I don't have to explain anything to you. You just outed yourself as scum. I already had some not so good feels towards you considering you demanded Cerb summon me to the thread but didn't make any effort to keep people from fast ending the day before I caught up reading the thread. That's the action of someone trying to do a frame job ... not someone who actually wants answers.

~D

I think I had doubts earlier on RR because 6148 seemed ~kinda townie but overall the GG push is scummy because GG has and will always be obvtown this game

I'm totally fine with this slot going I kinda don't know why Boon decided to derail onto Hectic

-S

Hectic is in same category as RR.
Hectic is better lynch then AF.
RR is better lynch then AF.

If AF is top wagon and needs 1 to make Hectic the top wagon. Please vote Hectic.

TY.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Y’all I was pushing RR for days, and now that I stop, that’s when people start actually wanting it

VOTE: RR

Vote RR.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@FL

Vote RR because AF is an Obv Miss Lynch I’d like to avoid.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: RR

VOTE: Hectic

Did i hammer?

Just vote RR.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You complain about it and this is only going to cause conflict.

Scum is within Hectic, Ank and RR.
So lynch there.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ScumRR means likely ScumHectic.

TownRR means LockScumHectic.

So vote RR.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Eh.
Yeah whatever.

Hectic’s Claim is Fake.
Chemist1422, Town Jack-of-All-Trades (Rolecop, Voyeur, Neighbouriser

Hectic said he has Tracker. But that makes no sense with Chemist’s flip.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Either way I think we lynch RR and then Hectic.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i dont see how having tracker makes no sense explain

Voy is a weaker tracker.
Scum had 2 JOAT’s of same strength.
Hectic should have Voy not Tracker if they are Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

now that I look at the playerlist again, I think it's exactly Hectic/AF

VOTE: Hectic

Vote Hectic then.