Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.08

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With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

nomnomnom

(2): Heaven, Luca Blight

Luca Blight

(2): Menalque, Quagsire

Quagsire

(2): skitter30, Captain the Furret

Heaven

(2): Alduskkel, Looker

Not Voting

(1): nomnomnom

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-31 12:15:00).

Mod notes:

• skitter30 standing V/LA Fridays and Saturdays & mental health V/LA.
  
• Luca Blight V/LA weekend.

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[nomnomnom]

Ergh
I think the claim is bullshit but UNVOTE:

Yes you unvoted but literally discredited me in the same breath.

my gut feeling was that your claim felt like bullshit

[skitter30]

hi i think i will have some time this afternoon

[Luca Blight]

Ergh
I think the claim is bullshit but UNVOTE:

Yes you unvoted but literally discredited me in the same breath.

my gut feeling was that your claim felt like bullshit

And what do you think now?

[nomnomnom]

I think it's a legit claim, most likely, you probably aren't the kind to make a massive gambit claim like that even as scum
there probably are some implications to your claim when it comes to gamedesign
trying to reduce my paranoia towards my hood and whatnot

[Luca Blight]

Thoughts on Quags?

[nomnomnom]

Still nullish, tbh

[nomnomnom]

Recently I've started to realize that a lot of my null reads in mafia games ended up being scum and that I should start scumhunting the same way I play cop or vig
if I was cop or vig I would either check Quag or Ald here, so maybe I should vote there

[nomnomnom]

What's your read on Ald, Luca?

[Luca Blight]

It doesn’t make sense to me how you hard SR me based on virtually nothing, and yet have no real suspicion of Quags after what looked like a really opportunistic hop onto my wagon.

[Luca Blight]

Haven’t read too much into Ald but he seems fine atm. His approach to my wagon was ok. Town lean.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe I'm biased but I don't see it as opportunistic
What makes it opportunistic from your POV?
Also it definitely wasn't nothing.

[nomnomnom]

I've only seen his play through modding C9++ so no direct experience
He was scum that game and if memory serves well he opened pretty seriously, at least I don't remember him doing anything extravagant, probably would have not forgotten it otherwise
Also I'm sheeping Furret's push because I want his reactions

hmm ok. i think i kinda see nom's push there from a town perspective, even if the logic is bad. like i can see why a townie might be thrown off by that kind of entrance, especially considering that iconeum isn't even in this game. i don't think scum would really pay it much mind.

When I say Town!Nom in that sense I kind of mean any reasonable player (which I believe you are).

No reasonable town player would want to 1v1 me based on your reasoning.

why would a reasonable scum player want to get involved in a 1v1 instead of trying to deflect the conflict elsewhere?

Payback's a VOTE: nomnomnom

S {Quag | Heaven/Nom | Aldus/Skitter/Menal | Captain/Luca}T

you have me as your strongest scum read yet you vote for noms? explain that for me

nomnomnom (3): Heaven, Luca Blight, Looker

ugh this wagon gives me some bad feels

wasn't really impressed with luca's 208. i feel like if he actually believed in his read on noms he'd have voted there to try and start a wagon. instead he waited until noms pointed out that he hadn't.

looker's vote on noms feels more like it's driven by personal shit instead of actual reasons why they think noms is scum. regardless of looker's alignment, it's a bad vote (although i don't think it says much wrt looker's alignment)

tentative VOTE: luca blight because i'm interested to see where this wagon goes.

Like these posts definitely don't feel opportunistic to me

[Looker]

Furret explain to me how I am pocketing you in our hood when you were the one that initiated the conversation there

There's a hood?

hi i think i will have some time this afternoon

Recently I've started to realize that a lot of my null reads in mafia games ended up being scum and that I should start scumhunting the same way I play cop or vig
if I was cop or vig I would either check Quag or Ald here, so maybe I should vote there

Def Quag

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Oh, am I in this game?

[nomnomnom]

Furret claimed our hood earlier
I'm unsure this was the best move but shrug, I don't know how to handle hoods still

[Luca Blight]

Maybe I'm biased but I don't see it as opportunistic
What makes it opportunistic from your POV?
Also it definitely wasn't nothing.

For a hard SR is was nothing.

Your point about the townreads was objectively wrong. Giving TR’s for no reason can be a scumrell, but two light townreads early on? Never in the history of Mafia is that a scumtell, no matter how you dress it up.

Not voting you after my case was justified by the fact almost half the player list had barely posted, and my vote would have put you to l-2.

It was nothing.

[nomnomnom]

How about you answer the question about Quag since we're not even talking about this anymore?
I'm trying to solve here

[Luca Blight]

nomnomnom (3): Heaven, Luca Blight, Looker

ugh this wagon gives me some bad feels

wasn't really impressed with luca's 208. i feel like if he actually believed in his read on noms he'd have voted there to try and start a wagon. instead he waited until noms pointed out that he hadn't.

looker's vote on noms feels more like it's driven by personal shit instead of actual reasons why they think noms is scum. regardless of looker's alignment, it's a bad vote (although i don't think it says much wrt looker's alignment)

tentative VOTE: luca blight because i'm interested to see where this wagon goes.

I actually didn’t hop on her though? Which is ironically a stick she’s using to attack me. I pointed out things I didn’t like and was waiting to get a read on everyone before committing to a vote.

Why is it hard to believe that I could genuinely see her as scummy, as opposed to being opportunistic scum?

you didn't wait until you had a read on everyone though, you voted directly after it was pointed out that you hadn't voted there.

pedit: didn't realize that was l-1 whoops

Doesn’t realise his vote made it L-1, but doesn’t unvote, so how the hell is that a tentative vote? He also tries to justify his vote my misrepping me (i didn’t vote Nom directly after she pointed it out, that is evident)

uh no one asked you to claim but alright

i need sleep so i'll read into that claim later

I claim and STILL he doesn’t unvote.

Tentative vote? Tentative my ass.

[Luca Blight]

How about you answer the question about Quag since we're not even talking about this anymore?
I'm trying to solve here

Yeah, sure you are.

[nomnomnom]

I'm assuming you think Quag is scum here with all of this

[Luca Blight]

I don’t know. I’m just pointing out he’s done scummy stuff which you’ve conveniently ignored.

[nomnomnom]

I haven't ignored it I literally don't see how that's opportunism
that's not what opportunism looks like at all

[nomnomnom]

What he's done is definitely ultra null is how I see it

[Luca Blight]

Jumping on someone as the tide is turning against them is the very essence of opportunism.

Before that he seemed to side with me over you. How can you not see that? Is it TMI?

[nomnomnom]

Before that he seemed to side with me over you.

show me this