Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.9

Target	Wagon
Allomancer (3)	nomnomnom (211), The Limit Does Not Exist (213), GuiltyLion (229)
Eve (3)	Auro (330), BBmolla (354), acryon (378)
acryon (1)	Allomancer (215)
BBmolla (1)	Eve (361)
Not Voting (3)	SausasaurusRex (219), skitter30 (231), Karnage (299)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-03 00:18:59).

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

That weak attempt to halt the Allomancer wagon

after Allomancer was no longer at L-1

is maybe the post that has given me the top skeeviest vibes so far in this game. I’m thinking an Allomancer/Sausasaurux rex scumteam isn’t out of the question here.

- Smarter

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Damn I missed the pagetop

Okay now officially back to vegetable mode. I’ll be back either tonight after work or tomorrow morning.

- Smarter

[acryon]

I typically don't care about meta much, but I'd have a hard time supporting a lynch with such little content (Sauce).

So I looked at some of his past games, and I have seen stretches of effort and insight, but I've also seen some stretches of non-content like he's done this game. If we didn't have other viable options, I would support a lynch there, but given that I think we do, we should maybe hold off for a little more. I'm not entirely convinced he isn't just being lazy (maybe uninterested if I've being charitable).

[nomnomnom]

Ill at ease* sorry
This eve push doesn't inspire me confidence

It’s currently Auro, bbmolla, and acryon on the Eve wagon.

Who out of those is putting you ill at ease? Are you scumreading any of them?

- Smarter

bbmolla>=auro>>>acryon
in that order
I don't think that there's scum in there but I'm just not seeing eve and I think the reasons to push Eve as a lynch are... how to put it into words... everyone can see that Eve has weird lines and reasoning but do those necessarily come from scum? I doubt it. In my experience if scum takes an irrational persona it's a conscious choice in how to approach the game and how to fool the playerlist, and I sincerely don't think that Eve is that kind of player, so I have my doubts about these lines coming from a scum mindset. The other possibility I see is that someone could be this bad at scum that they're posting extremely obvious bad lines, in that case their meta should make that obvious from the get go. If Eve is that kind of player I'll already give those things some thoughts. But as of right now it feels mislynchbaity.

[Auro]

I’ll need to reread more closely to see how Auro reacted to the Allomancer wagon but that’s for later.

I offered no stance on Allomancer, and he went on my "idk" list.
I didn't even read his posts, really

Simple reasoning for Eve vote: I can't sort her playstyle as I don't find it very transparent, and since I don't find her pro-town either, she's a perfectly good lynch.

Allo can go to the copbloc, as he should be much more easily sortable.

[SausasaurusRex]

I townread Karnage and Nomnomnom, and townlean Auro. I used to townread TheLimitDoesNotExist, but I now scumread them due to Smarter’s evident strawmanning of my posts. I scumlean Eve and Allomancer, but I would rather lynch TheLimitDoesNotExist, again due to the evident strawmanning of my post in a badly-executed attempt to get people to scumread me.
In fact, let me deviate for a push on TheLimitDoesNotExist:

In 393, Smarter says I have not provided an actual read on anyone. However, in 219, I very clearly say I townread Nomnomnom, and disagree with Karnage being on a townbloc. I also imply that I scumlean Eve, though I understand how this could be missed.
In this post, Smarter also says that I defended Allomancer. I did not defend Allomancer at any point, but merely requested that we wait to see what he and other people do before acting upon it.

Smarter also says at many points that I attempted to halt the Allomancer wagon, implying I specifically don’t want Allomancer to be lynched. This is untrue. I don’t want anybody to be lynched until we have gathered all the information possible in the time we have. We can then make logical conclusions from this information, which will hopefully result in the lynch of a member of the mafia.

Now that I have finished a push on TheLimitDoesNotExist, allow me to continue.

Arcyon has asked me whether I am a player or a “weird coach that hops in from time to time to offer my general guidance”. That’s a fair point. I have lacked pushes so far this game. I hope this post has changed that for you.

I would also like to note, however, that I still do not wish for the immediate lynch of TheLimitDoesNotExist. Whilst I feel that TheLimitDoesNotExist is clearly mafia, there is still information to be gathered before the deadline. If we do not maximise the use of the deadline to gather the most information before it, then, as a member of town myself, it is disadvantageous for town. Whilst the mafia already have all the information they need on people’s alignments, town lacks that information, and we must try and gather that information as quickly as possible. It is easiest to gather with the most people, and so we should try and gather most of it before anyone dies. Even if it turns out that we were wrong, whatever is said here is still useful. That is why I want to wait for a lynch.

Sorry it took me a while to write this.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Fuck I lost my post

The trick is to only post one-liners so it's not a problem if you lose one

-Smart

[Auro]

Whilst I feel that TheLimitDoesNotExist is clearly mafia

Really? You don't think they could be reading things wrongly, Rex?
You're 100% sure they're being disingenuous and not that there's a miscommunication somewhere?

[nomnomnom]

Sausage I don't mean to say this in a mean way but your posts are the definition of "dry"

[Auro]

Sausage I don't mean to say this in a mean way but your posts are the definition of "dry"

Rex I mean to say this honestly and I love it :3

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

But why would scum want to be off the wagon?

We just had this conversation lol.

-Smart

[Auro]

Now that I have finished a push on TheLimitDoesNotExist, allow me to continue

I love this, too xD

[SausasaurusRex]

Whilst I feel that TheLimitDoesNotExist is clearly mafia

Really? You don't think they could be reading things wrongly, Rex?
You're 100% sure they're being disingenuous and not that there's a miscommunication somewhere?

I feel my posts have been very clear. If you disagree, tell me and I’ll change my stance, because if lots of people agree they were unclear then I will know that they were unclear. However, if it is only one person that “misunderstood” my post, then they are very likely to be lying. If Smarter did not understand what I meant by the phrase “If not,” then he should have asked for clarification before making conclusions based upon it.

[acryon]

I echoed a lot of TLDNE's sentiments. Why do you think he is scum, but make no mention of me?

[Auro]

You mind being in the cop bloc with me and the other cool kidz?

[acryon]

I should clarify no mention of *my alignment.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I already apologized for misreading 219. Unfortunately I can’t delete posts or make people ignore posts that I already agreed are invalid based on my misunderstanding

I was clearly referring to lack of reads in 371 and the 0 progression shown there even though there was an additional 150 posts since your previous post

Literally all you said of substance (ie related to actual people in this game and not theory) in 371 was re: not lynching Allomancer

I don’t think I’ve misrepresented anything here. Sure, I’ve drawn conclusions about your motivations but I’m fairly sure that’s called scumhunting. If Allomancer is the only person you mention in your first post in 7 pages, that shows me that your primary motivation in writing that post was about Allomancer.

- Smarter

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I guess I’m back out of vegetable mode as this thread is now active

- Smarter

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

If Smarter did not understand what I meant by the phrase “If not,” then he should have asked for clarification before making conclusions based upon it.

Ironic coming from someone who is jumping to conclusions instead of assuming good faith.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

You mind being in the cop bloc with me and the other cool kidz?

Who is this directed to?

[Auro]

Yo Smart/Smarter wanna talk to me about anything that doesn't require me to read posts?

Pedit: Rex. Crayon's already in it.

[Auro]

But if Rex is in the Cop bloc, Allo would have to be in the town bloc (assuming I get my Eve lynch). You guys have to decide, but first I want to affirm if both Allo and Rex volunteer independently.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I’ll need to reread more closely to see how Auro reacted to the Allomancer wagon but that’s for later.

I offered no stance on Allomancer, and he went on my "idk" list.
I didn't even read his posts, really

Simple reasoning for Eve vote: I can't sort her playstyle as I don't find it very transparent, and since I don't find her pro-town either, she's a perfectly good lynch.

Allo can go to the copbloc, as he should be much more easily sortable.

Who do you think is scum? Do you have scumreads?

- Smarter

[Auro]

Not really, nothing stronk.