And I saw Dunnstral playing completely different to this as scum.
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:14 pm
by Battle Mage
In post 391, votato wrote:i have a little but i cant talk about it. by day 2 or 3 ill probably give some more details. as for the association you're drawing between me and dunn, stun, you're right that we aren't scumbuddies, but i dont think your reasons why are all that strong. plus the only reason you know that is cuz you and i are scumbuddies.
Last time I saw something like this it flipped town, but what can ya do!?
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:22 pm
by Battle Mage
In post 389, stungun0404 wrote:Does anyone have experience with scum Dunnstral? I have only played with town Dunnstral as scum to my recollection (2 times).
I know that as town he is not the hardest player to sort, but he still is a little bit tricky. He is easier to sort than nm for sure.
Also, he might get easier by the day, but he also might not. So I am not totally against a lynch there, but would just prefer to keep him in for two reasons. One is he is one of the few players I have experience with, so I might be able to read him better as the game progresses. And two, I do not really find what he has done so far to be super scummy, and if anything the push against him gives me a slight intuition he might be town. I could be wrong there, and I would like to see him post more, but I am not super suspicious.
I do think it is very likely, however, that if one Votato/Dunn is scum, the other is not, and should be assumed to be town. I just don't see them as connected, as votato has made very little mention of Dunn in his posts and Dunn throwing votato out of the blue as a scum partner to someone... wouldn't seem like the smartest plan if they were scum partners? I mean, that's a little bold, drawing that much attention to you
and
your partner?
I've seen scum-Dunnstral once. He tried harder than this and seemed more engaged in a game where he replaced in maybe 60 pages deep - definitely feels town here. Agree with top half of your post, last para doesn't sound right to me. In my recent experience, scum often make little mention of their buddies to avoid associations being drawn. But lynching Vot-scum first is the play, and then decide whether to bite for his stungun 'slip'. Gut says probably not.
Be careful adding another vote, because votato could self-hammer, or someone else could before we get the chance to hear back from Votato, ending the day phase sooner than preferable.
Really? You think scum would self hammer on day 1? Dislike this post a lot, it is just like a drawing attention to themselves post, trying to make themselves look useful and pro town
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:09 pm
by geraintm
In post 350, votato wrote:so i painstakingly went over geraintm's entire ISO. there isnt even a an attempt to pretend to scumhunt. that slot definitely deserves pressure, but he is so brazen that I'm guessing town over scum actually. maybe. i dunno, its worth voting there and forcing some effort out of the slot.
you can try, but it won't force meto change.
I basically worked out that I hate day 1s, and I am better off being honest and upfront about this to people. I'd rather that than having to try and fake reads on players just to dovert attention from myself. i believe people should play honest, and so that is what i do
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:11 pm
by geraintm
In post 350, votato wrote:so i painstakingly went over geraintm's entire ISO. there isnt even a an attempt to pretend to scumhunt. that slot definitely deserves pressure, but he is so brazen that I'm guessing town over scum actually. maybe. i dunno, its worth voting there and forcing some effort out of the slot.
The dunn thing does actually seem like a plausible scumslip.
am I allowed to quote from another game in this game?
if you go look at my last game you'll find the same there
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:20 pm
by geraintm
In post 384, Green Crayons wrote:
Is this the only example you have of him actively reading the thread? A quick response to the very last post, not directed at him, doesn't scream to me as actively monitoring the thread.
I am pretty sure I answered that just as I was going to bed, it was something I could do quickly
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:22 pm
by geraintm
In post 386, stungun0404 wrote:GC has a fair point, geraintm is still voting not science based off RVS reasoning, which is just a very lazy vote park that is not seemingly going to get us anywhere this day phase. I'm not real fond of it.
it is lazy. i'll move it though when i have somewhere better to move it to. i am notgoing to move it simply for the sake of moving it. that is the sort of thing i dislike others doing so i am not going to do it myself
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:35 am
by Green Crayons
I mean, there are competing bandwagons and people who have voiced or failed to voice reasons for why they joined them.
Plenty of reasons for a better than RVS vote.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:37 am
by Green Crayons
I do appreciate you actually participating in D1, though.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:38 am
by Green Crayons
In post 407, farside22 wrote:He's a VI. If you want a link to his past games, let me know.
I just finished playing with him. He wasn’t a VI.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:40 am
by Green Crayons
In post 405, Battle Mage wrote:Agree with top half of your post, last para doesn't sound right to me.
It did seem like premature association analysis. Interesting theory about AI.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:44 am
by Green Crayons
VOTE: Battle Mage
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:06 am
by stungun0404
Why is BM becoming a valid counterwagon? I see no logical reason to vote them... at all.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:08 am
by notscience
Because NM said so and he’s a paragon of transparency!!!
, clearly nobody is getting behind Green Crayons, and I think I'm townleaning Dunnstral. And seriously, voting BM on Day 1? This dude has run out of ideas...
He reads votato as scum only because of your meta analysis. But your meta analysis specifically said it was a wash on alignment, and so wasn't AI:
In post 334, stungun0404 wrote:While you may be fairly active in some of your scum games, this evidence does not suggest that in your town games you are always lurking at the start.
Thus, I don't think this initial analysis into your gameplay is very alignment-indicative, as it seems you are breaking pattern regardless of alignment.
So his votato vote pushes a wagon based on nothing AI. He does get in a sweet "lol ooOooOooOoo I'm teasing you with maybe I'm scum" jab, which is more likely to come from scum than town.
In post 391, votato wrote:i have a little but i cant talk about it. by day 2 or 3 ill probably give some more details. as for the association you're drawing between me and dunn, stun, you're right that we aren't scumbuddies, but i dont think your reasons why are all that strong. plus the only reason you know that is cuz you and i are scumbuddies.
Last time I saw something like this it flipped town, but what can ya do!?
He points to non-player-specific meta that would suggest that votato is town. But just lols over it and keeps his votato vote. His decision to pick and choose "meta" to justify whether votes should move is particularly glaring when you consider he uses meta a few posts later in Post 403 to argue votes on Dunn are misplaced.
