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Raya36

Varsoon, hellbooks
Yukino

Elbirn, Dunnstral, PookyTheMagicalBear

In post 398, Varsoon wrote:Aw shit, dawg
Hey, Elbirn
Are you town?

AwYeh
Sup dork?

Why should I be voting raya36 rn? I have read nothing so far

Well,
I got a job teaching where I was expected to carry the load of 4 teachers despite it being my first year at the school and as a high school teacher.
The stress of the work and the mental abuse that my advisors ran me through had me so stressed I went into hypertension and passed out driving.
I quit that job and won't be able to teach again likely due to having pulled out of two different schools now (first was when my dad died and the school treated me like shit and students threatened my life too) and also my certificate ran out without me locking down a permanent position in order to upgrade it to a 5 year cert. So thousands of dollars and years of investment went down the drain thanks to work environments being infinitely more stressful than they should've been. Woo
I started totally-not-a-union at my new workplace so we could be paid a livable wage and change the workplace culture from treating us like trash
I was not offered a position to return to after my contract expired, despite being an exemplary employee otherwise
My fiance bought a house, had me help her paint and clean it, then left me for reasons that even she regrets but she won't come back because she would feel guilty over it all and like she was taking advantage of my kindness, which seems like a lie but whatever
I was in such financial and emotional stress that I gained a hundred pounds over the course of a year
I was rear-ended by someone, which ended up destroying my radiator since the car in front of me had a trailer hitch set up to pulverize anyone who rear-ended them, and the person who hit me drove away
My insurance did not cover it
Months later, I was rear-ended by a sheriff
He paid me off the books, but only after a month of delaying
During that month, my landlord threatened to have my cats killed and to evict me despite never breaking the terms of our lease
My car still isn't fixed because I had to use the cop's money to pay my rent payments ahead of schedule or I'd be evicted
I got a job at a call center despite being having 10+ years work experience, having taught for 3 years at college and high schools, and having post-graduate education
Then Coronavirus happened
I moved to a new apartment and the stress from it was awful and I'm still not unpacked a full month later
I'm only alive and afloat now thanks to government assistance over the virus, which ended as of this week as far as I am aware
One of my closest friends was hospitalized during a manic episode and I don't know why and I don't know his condition, but I've known he was suicidal for years so that's probably it
But I came back to mafiascum and I managed to avoid Radiant-Cowbells-DeathTunnel 2: Pooky Boogaloo so that's good, I think.


And, hey, it's not all bad. The girl that I love and who is the only woman who has never let me down (the 30+ girlfriends I've had over the last 15 years have largely been manipulative and abusive) is coming to visit all next week and she knows how I feel about her. As fate would have it, she's in a two-year long relationship that's on the decline but I don't want to be the person who ruins or ends that relationship for her. Were she not in that relationship, I would ask her to live with me. We've talked pretty extensively about this stuff, though. She feels strongly for me, too, but, again, she's dating this other guy.
I recently took a little roadtrip to see a friend and that was really nice.
My mom retired, found love after dad died, and is having a great retirement. She fishes, grows and sells her own produce, and is having a blast out in the country.
Final Fantasy 7 Remake came out and it's actually good.
I'm designing a few new theme games to run down the pipeline.
I'm still alive.
I'm financially and emotionally more secure than I've been in the whole last year.
So, you know, it's the small stuff.
How are you, bud?

In post 402, Elbirn wrote:Why should I be voting raya36 rn? I have read nothing so far

They're playing very safe but also not following up with play that'd be consistent with their stances.
Post 37 is especially rough for me, especially juxtaposed to their "Ya got me" ish coming on the next page. I've literally used that response as scum before, so it pings me hard.
Their stance re:DkKoba/Pooky really reeks of them actually going for low-hanging fruit until they realized the DkKoba wagon was gaining no traction and with the replace they've backed off in a way that's safe but indicates a real hard Scum v Town relationship. I originally had in mind that DkKoba/Pooky was scum and Raya was town via PoE but it makes more sense this way, now, given what I've realized about DkKoba especially.

Also, your other options to lynch today are:
Pooky, who is town.
Hellbooks, who is probably town.
or
Dunnstral, who might be town but Raya's positioned hard against and is calling a team of Me + Dunn, so y'know. I know I'm town and I had an early townread on Dunn that's faded due to Dunn's coasting but, like, it feels like maybe Raya's just sort'a parroted my stance on the thing while ALSO saying I'm scum which feels more than a bit sketch.

You've got a little over 48 hours, so arguably literally every player only needs to make 1 more post before the phase ends and that post doesn't have to contain a vote so, y'know, we're pretty much up shit creek if we don't have a majority of votes on an Execution candidate here, since scum gets to choose how to break all ties.

In post 405, Varsoon wrote:Hellbooks, who is probably town.

Run this by me, why are they probably town?

Don't have any great arguments for that.
I actually didn't like them for town before the execution phase started, but they've gotten more active and have just been really chilled out and level headed about stuff, engaging without a clear agenda, imo.
There was more than one time they could've taken Raya's side against me or, vice-versa, gone hard after DkKoba when I was, but they never really did.
That said, I did misremember and thought Raya posted https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11958820 but, eeeeh, I can sort of see where a town player in hell's position might come to that conclusion regardless.

I guess the TL;DR here is that hellbook's process feels town-genuine to me, even if their conclusions aren't always great.
I'd probably be more critical of them costing during nomination phase if they didn't have IRL stuff going on then.
I also can see how someone might think their voting in Execution phase has been opportunistic but it just doesn't feel that way to me.

In post 408, Varsoon wrote:There was more than one time they could've taken Raya's side against me or, vice-versa, gone hard after DkKoba when I was, but they never really did.

Well... why would he go against you if they're scum? You're not in the nomination group right now, but Raya is.

As for not going after Dkkoba... I don't see them as the type of person who pushes hard when they're scum, they could just be watching you do your thing

My townreads right now are you, Dkkoba's slot, Raya

Which means I want to lim Hellbook

VOTE: Hellbook

As of writing this post, the deadline is in 48 hours. ALL PLAYERS only need to post once every 48 hours. We're dangerously close to just having to be forced to plurality or, worse, SCUM DECIDING WHICH OF US DIES.
The deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-07 16:54:09), at which point the execution will be decided via plurality.
With no clear plurality, the mafia team will privately break any ties.

Sure

VOTE: Raya36

Now to determine if raya is actually scum, here I go

re-reading their iso - it feels like raya has more depth in her thinking than hellbook and is more open-minded.

we have 36 hours left, and we have other people here to switch

In post 409, Dunnstral wrote:My townreads right now are you, Dkkoba's slot, Raya

why varsoon?

In post 414, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:re-reading their iso - it feels like raya has more depth in her thinking than hellbook and is more open-minded.

i mean raya has consistently pushed me because i dont have strong enough reads so imo doesnt rly fit the bill

if i die -- i wouldn't discount pooky either
i think pooky's been towny but have reevaluated whether anything dkkoba did was actually town and like yeah, the nominations were careless and i think there's no reason to townread the replace out

Forcing a switch one way or another and it ending up being a townflip is just as bad (if not worse) than letting scum decide who dies.

In post 420, Varsoon wrote:Forcing a switch one way or another and it ending up being a townflip is just as bad (if not worse) than letting scum decide who dies.

...no?

Scum deciding is always a townflip, unless we tie on both scum and then its GG literally confirmed both scum

A last minute scramble to get plurality on someone is still better even if it sucks that we didnt get consensus

Also good job getting post #420

I'm still literally on like uhhh page 3. I have not been doing my reading and haven't been very present not at 100% ya feel

I think it would be better to just iso raya and hellbooks and make a decision

Poky replaced kobba who seemed town enough the first few pages. Dont recall dunn.

Varsoon I read the "Tale of Varsoon & His Struggles" and that's an awful lot of bullshit to go through in a year, that you've kept together in the first place shows you're a strong motherfucker, good job King I'd be uhh not doing well at all in your shoes

That's why I'm saying it's worse if it's a scramble for plurality that lands on town because:
1. Now we have to WIFOM the hell out of the switch itself
2. We're left with less info from a scum-decided execute between two slots
3. We've still got the other slot that was switched from to consider and contend around

Yeah man I've been through the ringer.
Good news is CARES act goes through July, afaik.

In post 423, Varsoon wrote:That's why I'm saying it's worse if it's a scramble for plurality that lands on town because:
1. Now we have to WIFOM the hell out of the switch itself
2. We're left with less info from a scum-decided execute between two slots
3. We've still got the other slot that was switched from to consider and contend around

Yeah man I've been through the ringer.
Good news is CARES act goes through July, afaik.

I'm not sure I follow. Or maybe I get it I just don't agree? It seems like the scenario where scum picks is always worse, because it is always a town execution and we don't actually get anything but more wifom re:the spared player. It doesn't seem like good info to me either way I just wanna kill mafia