Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you seem to be leaning towards me being town, you haven't voted, you haven't actively tried to dissuade them from lynching me - it feels like you are ok with me self-destructing here despite having a good idea that I'm town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which would make sense to me if you are scum and just laughing at the town rn going after the LHFs. It's sometimes hard to come up with content when the town is busy chasing the wrong people and you are in a very good spot as locktown'd scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm just curious btw

if you are scum - is there a chess game in the Scum PT between Koba and Bugspray ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba is very good at chess

i can see it being a slaughter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Which opening did bugspray play? this is very useful information for my studies

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Added data based on posts/day for his games.




From the data it looks like he tends to post more often as town than scum by a significant margin per day - this could be skewed by the fact that he tends to replace out early as scum without doing much while as town he tends to get into more heated engagements.

Analyzing the data from this game he's at 4.64 posts/day currently - which is closer to his scum-range than his town-range. I'll do some more re-reading of his scum games when I get a chance to.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Scum games might be skewed lower than normal due to 2 of the 5 games being very early replace outs and one of them being a replace in right before game end so the sample size is quite small on the scum side.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't understand - the data analysis is of dsjtr - not datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I'm wrong then I'd like to be the hammer today.

can you explain why you want to be hammer today?

I have many many many town games where I am the elim in ELO, I'd like to avoid that.

I spent some time pulling dsj's games on this site and here's his game history until December 2019 - I excluded Partition and Grand Conspiracy due to the strange voting rules in those games:

Game Link Role Result
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83776 Townie Replaced D1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=83080 Scum Replaced D1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=83071 Scum Replaced D1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83581 Scum Lynched D3
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83530 Townie Lynched D2
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83286 Scum Won in Endgame
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82166 Townie Killed N1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82022 Townie Lynched in LYLO
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82005 Townie Replaced D1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82026 Townie Lynched in LYLO
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81962 Scum Hammers himself D2
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81816 Townie Replaced D2
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81730 Town Tracker NK'd N2


So there are two games where he does lose as townie in LYLO. I'll do some more analysis based on post count in each game. A lot of his games are newbie games where he posts very little. I did a brief skim of the games where he is scum and nothing caught my eye yet but I'll re-read again.

you can click on the links in this post

from reading his scum games - I think he is very bad as scum and I feel his play as scum is maybe worse than this game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fair

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

messed up quotes there,

my response is:


I am only slumslotting your slot in the event that tw dies in the night and skitter gets a 2nd visit confirmed

This is what is confusing me about your posting. I liked this answer for example

I'm just curious btw

if you are scum - is there a chess game in the Scum PT between Koba and Bugspray ?

but then you make this comment. Are you tl me or shading my slot, I really can’t tell.

that's just my normal banter

also why is there an evil smiley face there

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i meant tw/skitter

Um . . . that’s two?

How do you forget you’re a PR here?

i mean tw/skitter can't be the scumteam because that would mean I am the only PR.

also cuz datisi got a pm from mod that skitter is FN

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we definitely need dsjstr's flip to make sense of anything

please elaborate

Dsj flips scum ->??

Dsj flips town ->??

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have trouble seeing how you could think I am scum with dsj

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

SS is not interested in solving the game but he somehow knows im town and has the mechanics down pat.

like i find the timing of this to be kinda suspect :/

?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bleh sorry i know i'm not being helpful
(i'm feeling like ... really burnt out rn)

i'm leaning towards voting pooky here cuz i'm not sure how else he'd be sorted
and he feels really disingenuous in several of his arguments
and is shading like ... many people

i don't really want dsjstr in lylo either tho

what i really dont want is a green dsj flip today followed by easy lynch of me tomm in lylo for scumwin

id rather get lynched today, flip green and you guys think about what I said about dsj/ss knowing my role is green

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ummm not sure i agree with this assessment

are you suggesting that I as scum couldn't think of anything to say for 46 straight hours and somehow didn't think that people might think that was suspect?

you've been mostly fluffposting the whole game tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just went through my entire ISO, I have 8 fluffposts in 170 posts. What are you on about?

i re-read your ISO today and it felt very fluffy

just my opinion - people can re-read it themselves and come to their own opinion ofc

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

should i just take the plunge and vote dsjstr????

dats i really don't want you to autovote pooky tom in that case :/

Skitter,

I've read all of dsj's scumgames and a few of his longer town games that I linked prior to this.

The difference between him here and his previous scumgames is that he's lasted longer than a few days - in 2 scumgames he replaces out almost immediately, one of them he replaced in on the last day and did nothing, very rarely does he actually play the game out when he is dealt scum and his scum play is very crap.

I also re-read a few of his town games and he usually gets into stupid arguments - but this could be because they are mostly newbie games.

A possible explanation for his play this game is that he feels uncomfortable and out of his depth- however I do not believe dsjtr offering to off himself via lynch to avoid lylo is within his scumrange - his scum play lacks that level of deception.

My worry is that the scum are outside of dats/dsj and they are happy to keep me/dats alive as lynchbait for lylo when they can just jump on Datisi - hence why I think removing me is the best way to clear Datisi's head if he is actually town which I currently believe he is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when I said jump on datisi I mean jump on datisi's vote on me and speedlynch me in lylo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

SS is not interested in solving the game but he somehow knows im town and has the mechanics down pat.

like i find the timing of this to be kinda suspect :/

?

=

also is it bad that i'm not really townreading ss anymore?

SS is not interested in solving the game but he somehow knows im town and has the mechanics down pat.

Ok but what about these posts:

lets say i am lynched today.

assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.

if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.

if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.

koba is a very creative and fun player. I can see them doing some crazy shit as scum

my suspicion of ss is because I think he knows im town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

alright I'll defer if you think this is scumDSJ

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i re-read your ISO today and it felt very fluffy

What is your definition of fluff then? Because mine is "posts that aren't related to the game."

promises to read the game/catchup are fluffy to me - like I sympathize with being like 70 pages behind when you replace in but you always have the option to engage into the game without prior information and catch up later or reread 5-10 pages at a time and post your thoughts as you re-read in.

also you have a fairly observational style that feels less interested in solving the game. I don't know if this is just your style but it feels like you have a very good grasp of who is who in this game but you don't use this knowledge to push for an outcome you want.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also happy cakeday pooky

thx

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

- i mgiht argue that he's exhibiting a fatalistic mindset by repping out in his scumgames (i.e. he doesn't htink he, in that slot, can further the scumwincon, so just leaves). and that volunteering to rep-out is him manifesting the same mindset in a slightly different way

I can understand repping out to further the scumwincon because you think a new person coming in would help the scum-team more - however getting lynched does not help the scum win con.

There is one game where he does self-vote himself out as scum to deny the town information so it's not impossible that he would pull this fatalistic move here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yeah i think the fatalism is more an aspect of his playstyle than his alignment, you also linked a game where he self-voted as town in lylo

that game the town basically had a lockwin if I understand it correctly and he did it to get it over with? i only looked at a few page near where he selfvoted out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what do u think about my other points (namely, the fact that he doesn't seem to have a consistent underlying throught process motivating his posts, or the fact that you're focusing on what i believe to be a largely meaningless distinction between his town and scumgames)

that's a good point - he is more all over the place in this game.

I think there's a good chance he is scum now that he's switched from wanting to get lynched to wanting to lynch me for survival which is a pretty random progression from his previous fatalism about lylo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

aside, pooky, irregardless of your alignment here i think you have a really good scumgame, just btw

tfw when your towngame is so bad that people start complimenting your scumgame -.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

me backing off dsj here has more to do with you/duck making datisi promise not to vote me right away in lylo than anything.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and dsj 3617 is quite bad,

you make a compelling case for him being scum - im just lowkey paranoid tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if dsj flips town and datisi autovotes me tomm we just lose

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

3617

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

>.>

hope you don't die then

can you come visit me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

3617 is a reversal off his previous post asking to get lynched to avoid being alive tomm - also it kind of feels like he's saying he thinks I'm not scum but he's voting for me anyway cuz it's his best path to survival

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if koba didn't get replaced we'd be on page 300 by now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have 0 chance of being nightkilled

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tis true

koba was a spamlord 4 sure

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm legit terrified of tomm if this guy doesn't flip red

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you're not the one I'm afraid of -.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you change your dying scumread pls

I kinda want to sheep you for the rest of the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i has more confidence in your reads than mine :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Exactly. @SS aren’t you supposed to be some mech genius or something?

I am. There's a big difference between killing someone tomorrow and killing them today. You may note that skitter is still alive and confirmed and can lead us in lylo. If not for the BG, they could (and would) have just killed her.

The mark is a strongman with a drawback. No point in having a strongman if there's nothing for it to bypass.

ss/tw scumteam confirmed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we need to flip ss today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if tw still doesnt protect any1 successfully - odds r he is last scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the mark is designed to get around being blown up by the bomb. they are using it to justify tw not successfully protecting skitter - there is a good chance tw isnt even a bg at this point but im more convinced on flipping ss

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we need to flip ss today

ok time to convince me why we aren't flipping u

you flip me we lose

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you guys think scumpooky really offered to get lynched yesterday to save towndsjtr then lol just lynch me and lose its whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i've literally never offered myself up to be lynched to defend someone else ever before and I sure wouldn't do it as scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

should i just take the plunge and vote dsjstr????

dats i really don't want you to autovote pooky tom in that case :/

Skitter,

I've read all of dsj's scumgames and a few of his longer town games that I linked prior to this.

The difference between him here and his previous scumgames is that he's lasted longer than a few days - in 2 scumgames he replaces out almost immediately, one of them he replaced in on the last day and did nothing, very rarely does he actually play the game out when he is dealt scum and his scum play is very crap.

I also re-read a few of his town games and he usually gets into stupid arguments - but this could be because they are mostly newbie games.

A possible explanation for his play this game is that he feels uncomfortable and out of his depth- however I do not believe dsjtr offering to off himself via lynch to avoid lylo is within his scumrange - his scum play lacks that level of deception.

My worry is that the scum are outside of dats/dsj and they are happy to keep me/dats alive as lynchbait for lylo when they can just jump on Datisi - hence why I think removing me is the best way to clear Datisi's head if he is actually town which I currently believe he is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I don't know which universe we'd have to be in for you guys to think it's possible that scumPooky spends hours re-reading DSJTR's games to try to derail a mis-elim wagon on TOWN-DSJTR in order to get himself lynched instead.

it's just wild

but since apparently you all believe that its just laloalalalaoalaoler

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i literally said that this felt like scum setting up a low hanging fruit dsj lynch followed by easy pooky lylo lynch for the win and showed you guys how to prevent it but you guys just ignored me and were like ya lets just kill dsj instead lol i cant even

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My personal opinion wrt to duckling’s role is that I agree with Skitter and not SS or Pooky. I still don’t really see how a marking scum confirms it but I also don’t understand why Pooky thinks that if an mfd happens again it casts doubt upon it.

mfd doesnt confirm it - SS trying to usd MFD to confirm it is what casts doubt on it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i cant believe im still universally scumread lol. gg well played

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dont waste braincells speculating about my scumbuddy. u guys mislynch me game is over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tbf i'm just waiting the greenlight from skitter to vote you anyway

offering myself up to be lynched to protect a townie mislynch is literally miles outside my scumrange roflroflrofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

datisi makes me pull my hair out this game is so fustratingly stupid

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

shouldve just lynched me yesterday if you were going to be so stubborn jeasus

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ur so bad lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

941

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i might as well vent since im destined to die

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

town: let's lynch dsjtr
pooky: no Im townreading dsj - lynch me instead
town: lynches dsj
dsj flips town
town: ok time to lynch pooky

just lololol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah i just think it's wild that people think Pooky-Scum offered to get lynched to save DSJ-Town when he was looking like the obvious misLynch candidate on d2. Like in what universe is that even remotely probable?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like even not reading my role PM - I would think its pretty obvious that this didn't happen

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i changed my read on him when it was inevitable that he was getting lynched and cuz skitter convinced me he was scum. before then I was convinced he was town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that would be like death by water torture

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when you get to koba levels of spamming maybe

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

talk to me dats

what will it take to convince you i'm a good guy here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

or should i just wait for skitter to come around and lay myself down at her feet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what are you trying to sell me? s_s/tw?

I'm trying to convince you I'm not scum lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean....... unless you're trying to convince me this setup is actually 9town and 0mafia and in order to win we must overthrow moderation and execute micc......... you being not!scum would mean someone else is................

well I'd need you to be convinced I'm not scum first before you'd actually listen to me on someone else no?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u just trolling me at this point?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

-.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can we have a deadline extension if 1/3rd of the game is going to be vla kinda stupid to play out lylo this way

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are already conf town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm writing my case on SS but I'm not 100% sure about it - I'm really counting on you to be right about Datisi and Raven

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is probably the shittiest case I've ever posted on anyone in lylo but SS doesn't really post much so there's not that much to attack - the focal point is in the reaction to Micc's response to SS's question and his general gameplay and playstyle that I find susp for being above the fray kind of. I have not examined or re-read SS games yet so if this is something he often does regardless of alignment then it would be difficult to place his alignment based on his style alone.



SS feels like he doesn't really care about the game because if you read through his ISO he basically is kind of floating above it all - he doesn't even put down a single vote - however he seems to be very aware of the game state - for example he seemed pretty sure that I was telling the truth about being a bomb quite early and I'm not sure a town-aligned player makes that jump so quickly. (Raven also makes the conclusion that I might be protown and lying but I feel much better about her belief in me than SS's belief in me - like when I read raven's posts I feel comfortable and like I kind of trust her - when I read SS's posts I feel there's something sinister there)

I got the feeling when Micc answered in thread and said I was lying about being a vig that SS couldn't believe how lucky he was:

Oh.

Well, any last words, Pooky?

This post feels like a mafia laughing at his incredible good fortune that a town player would lie about his role.

The mod just confirmed Pooky as lying, yes.

Twisting the knife

Anyone in particular i should be fn-ing?

I mean, if Pooky actually is scum then it doesn't matter.

This post doesn't make a lot of sense to me coming from SS - shouldn't be so uncertain at that point in time of my scuminess - mod had already confirmed I was lying - don't know why he puts that qualifier there.


I've re-read the post Micc-saying that I'm lying about a vig section a few times now and SS's play feels the most unnatural to me of all the players - I would've thought it would be more believable as a town-reaction if he had voted me or not believed me but the way he posted makes me think he knew I was a town power role to begin with except I was lying about my role for whatever reason.

Exactly. @SS aren’t you supposed to be some mech genius or something?

I am. There's a big difference between killing someone tomorrow and killing them today. You may note that skitter is still alive and confirmed and can lead us in lylo. If not for the BG, they could (and would) have just killed her.

The mark is a strongman with a drawback. No point in having a strongman if there's nothing for it to bypass.

This post seems like an oversight for a "mech" genius - there is something for the mark to bypass - the bomb for example. Also the motivation for marking skitter rather than outright killing her is very simple - if they outright kill her then TW would be on the hook for not protecting her.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why weren't you on lilith ... ?

the confirmed vanilla?

this answer is weird to me

I don't understand why a BG would guard a vanilla townie - because even if you succeed - you basically traded a bg for a vanilla townie...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also which game is TW's bg neighbor from? re-reading his ISO and I couldn't find it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i've been saying pooky's scum on dayplay. you could twist MFD "confirming" one or the other.

pookyscum would never offer to get lynched - thats literally miles outside my scumrange

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rofl i cant believe you guys are pushing raven/pooky when bugspray almost accidentally hammered me on d1 and kept me at L-1 and the entire datisi-pooky fight started with Pooky voting bugspray. what a joke.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ah yeah offerered himself to get lynched

because "hey guys you should maybe lynch me today lol because i probably get mislynched in lylo" is such an impossible post to make for scum!pooky

pedit: holy shit that's a lot of posts.

you realize how hard of a throw that is if you guys actually listen to me and lynch me over town dsjtr if im scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and i didnt just make that post. i literally spent hours rereading dsjtr's games and compiling stats from them into a spreadsheet but yea you do you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how r u in the same spot. im alive right now and dsj would be alive instead of me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and its not the same spot because i wouldve flipped bomb and ss/tw would be way more likely to get lynched

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you realize how hard of a throw that is if you guys actually listen to me and lynch me over town dsjtr if im scum?

yeah. but we didn't.

Yes it didn't happen - but my point is that I tried to move it in that direction - specifically I defend dsjtr with the following logic:

Town-Dsjtr was a low hanging fruit lynch. (he turned out to be)

I literally said "I think he's low hanging fruit" and "I don't think scum-dsjtr has the deception level needed to offer himself up as a lynch" because dsjtr felt like a noob player to me - I then re-read literally like all his games from this year and datamined them for posting patterns and re-iterated my opinion that scum-dsjtr does not make the "offer myself as a lynch" play because he's not that sophisticated of a player and his play in previous games do not show that level of deception as scum.

There is no reason for scum-Pooky to make these points and offer himself up to be lynched instead - that's literally trying to get rid of a mis-elim for scum to set myself up as the lynch instead ? Like that makes 0 sense strategically for scum Pooky.

Yes you guys did not listen to me - but when I made these posts - I couldn't have KNOWN that you would decide to not listen to me. What if you guys had listened to me and said hey Pooky makes a good point, dsjtr is too noob to make the lynch-offer gambit- and decided to lynch Pooky instead of dsjtr? That would really screw Pooky-scum over hard - confirm tw as town and you guys might even not lynch dsj today if you think Pooky's play clears him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why did I kill lilith over skitter who softed PR?

you can say this of literally any scum - it doesn't make much sense for skitter to be killed over lilith except that skitter death leads to tw lynch.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i literally explained the reason for me to do it as town yesterday

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ggest fear rn is we lynch dsj, he flips green then i get speedlynched in lylo for the easy win. I think if you flip me today you remove the lylo speedlynch threat and also have a better shot tommorrow.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when I offered myself up to be lynched instead of dsj - I thought dsj would be a LHF mislynch and I also thought I would be a liability at lylo - me getting lynched instead of him helps avoid both those scenarios - it also gets datisi to move his head out of his death-tunnel as well as casts doubt on TW's PR.

that's why it makes sense for me to offer myself as a lynch on the day before lylo because the info game off me flipping green was a lot higher than dsj flipping green.

it makes no sense for me to offer self-lynch if I'm flipping red.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yes you guys did not listen to me - but when I made these posts - I couldn't have KNOWN that you would decide to not listen to me.

because acum never bluffs in any way shape or form... especially if your partner was haed pushing for dsjstr...

it's not a bluff because I have no idea how you guys would react to it.

the crux of my case was that dsjtr as scum does not have the sophistication or deception necesary to offer himself up as a lynch.

I then cite all his past games.

Skitter read those games and came up with the belief that DSJ replacing out is a fatalism thing that he's doing this time by offering to die. She just as easily could've read those games and said "hmm pooky's right, dsj is not a very smart or clever player as scum and is unlikely to do a self-lynch gambit"

There is NO WAY I would know how skitter would react to my case before I posted it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you dont think I was serious when i offered to get lynched?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

since I'm getting nowhere with the Pooky wouldn't offered to get lynched defense with you guys, let's try associatives.

Let's assume for the sake of argument Pooky is scum here.

Who is Pooky's scum partner? Let's look at all the possibilities:


Skitter - Nah she's marked for death


Something_Smart - Koba put Pooky at L-1, SS asked mod a question that confirmed Pooky was lying about his role, Pooky is pushing SS as the lynch.


The_Worst - This would mean there is only 1 TPR in the game...


Raven - Bugspray interaction with Pooky on D1 was: Pooky nearly hammered by Bugspray accidentally, Bugspray putting Pooky at L-1 for a prolonged period of time, Pooky getting reamed by Datisi for voting Bugspray.


Datisi - LOLOLOLOLOLOL


So which of these players is supposed to be my scumpartner?

hint: I don't have a scumpartner I'm town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But dsjstr would not be a liability in lylo?

if you guys listened to me and believed me when I said dsj can't be scum because scum-dsj isn't clever or deceptive enough to pull a lynch-me gambit - then obviously dsj wouldn't be a liability in lylo since you guys believe me that he is town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

at the end i was mostly swayed by skitter and I honestly wished to all hell that we'd hit a scum for once

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you guys listened to me and believed me when I said dsj can't be scum because scum-dsj isn't clever or deceptive enough to pull a lynch-me gambit - then obviously dsj wouldn't be a liability in lylo since you guys believe me that he is town

Given your track record this game, I'm pretty sure nobody would trust you enough to stake the game on that read.

my track record this game is better than yours buddy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and honestly I'd be ok with being flipped green d2 and then u guys ignore my dsj read to lynch him for the loss because im petty and vindicative that way.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i actually have you as town over dats at this point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my track record this game is better than yours buddy

And I sure wouldn't offer myself up as an execution to save a townread and expect people to actually respect it.

yea and you haven't taken a hard stance on anything this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes thats true

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and you didnt just no try to save him - you actively pushed for him to get lynched over me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because dsj townlocked raven and i didnt

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it would depend on if you think Datisi's continued desire to lynch Pooky-scum are genuine or not because like 99% of his game relevant posts r "must lynch poooky"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pls do

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont get how neighbor without a neighbor and lover without a lover are in any way confirming of a role

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I honestly don’t understand how you think I’m buddies with Pooky. Did bugs not try to get Pooky hammered?

it's an option i'm considering due to the fact that my previous team fell apart?

and no? bugs voted pooky to E-1. recently before that pooky was already at E-1 but koba (iirc) had unvoted him recently.

bugs didnt know what the VC was when he voted me, he could've hammered me - do you really think he does this if he's my scumbuddy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bugs doesnt read like he cares enough to fake

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If he wanted to claim BG, he didn't really have another choice

only if there were no other bg's in the 70-odd games we're working with
and i think that claiming neighborless neighbor is kinda risky?

I don't get why claiming neighborless neighbor is risky - do neighbors automatically get put into a neighborhood with each other? why would neighbors from different games get put into the same neigbhorhood?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm not forgetting anything?? bugs voted for pooky when pooky was at E-2, but bugs allegedly hadn't read up to where koba unvoted pooky from E-1 to E-2, and therefore would've "accidentally hammered" pooky. i'm saying that it's within the realm of possibility for a bugs/pooky scumteam to fake that?

pedit: @raven

If you look at bugspray ISO - it's clear they are reacting post by post and they vote me when their reread is up to Post 476 - Koba doesn't unvote me until post 525 so bugs wouldn't have known at that point I wasn't at E-1 at that point in bugs reread tho I kind of doubt bugs was counting votes at all at that point in time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because you're claiming "hey i'm *role* but i'm not actually *role*" like how tf is that not risky?

my bomb ability is pretty useless if I claim bomb

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Skitter

i got a little bit worried about dsj scum when I realized his posting rate is closer to his scum-rate than his town-rate when I did the data analysis,

then I got more suspicious after he decided to vote me here:

Oh sorry then, I misunderstood. Well Skitter is mech locktown and Dats is damned close to that, so I don’t understand why dsjstr is still voting him when he cleared me but I’ll have to wait for him to answer that.

Well pooky seems to be my only option to not get killed, but I'm not really sure why me seeing you as town would make me also see Dats as town.
VOTE: Pooky

But more than anything I think I just wanted us to lynch a scum because I don't want to lose and it was wishful thinking at that point and I want to believe in you being right.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because you're claiming "hey i'm *role* but i'm not actually *role*" like how tf is that not risky?

my bomb ability is pretty useless if I claim bomb

you were asking why claiming neighbourless neighbour is risky, what does that have to do with anything?

because you/skitter are bringing it up as something that indicates tw!town and I don't really understand the reasoning behind it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How is it fallacious?

There is no good reason for Pooky to do it as town.
There is no good reason for Pooky to do it as scum.

Ergo, Pooky did not do it for a good reason.

well if you guys had listened to me and lynched me instead you would see town!Pooky and Datisi would start actually scum-hunting and you might be convinced Dsj is town instead of wasting a mis-elim on him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm not forgetting anything?? bugs voted for pooky when pooky was at E-2, but bugs allegedly hadn't read up to where koba unvoted pooky from E-1 to E-2, and therefore would've "accidentally hammered" pooky. i'm saying that it's within the realm of possibility for a bugs/pooky scumteam to fake that?

pedit: @raven

If you look at bugspray ISO - it's clear they are reacting post by post and they vote me when their reread is up to Post 476 - Koba doesn't unvote me until post 525 so bugs wouldn't have known at that point I wasn't at E-1 at that point in bugs reread tho I kind of doubt bugs was counting votes at all at that point in time.

because scum!bugs is incapable of lying about how far into their catchup they are? how far ahead they've read? especially if they have a buddy in the scum PT feeding them info?

look at bugs iso and the section where he is catching up and responding to each post as he catches up

does that look fake to you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

> tw claimed something about his role that is somewhat risky and could've possibly made him get executed
> i claimed the same thing about my role
> "hey it's more likely that these are both true"

lke it's not conclusive but

pedit: s i g h

can you explain why him claiming neighbor could possibly lead to him getting executed? like I really dont get this part

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

t h e y are more capable as scum than you give them credit for

@skitt, you were scum with bugs recently, do you think that's fakeable?

so you think bugscum faked almost hammering pookyscumbuddy and kept him at L-1 and urged the town to lynch him on the first day of D1?

w---hy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky nearly hammered by Bugspray accidentally,

where did this happen again?

pull up bugspray ISO and scroll down, bugs at 1:34am starts responding to posts in game and catching up - his response to post 476 was to vote Pooky - this would've been hammer if Koba didn't unvote Pooky in post 525.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you explain why him claiming neighbor could possibly lead to him getting executed? like I really dont get this part

are you doing this on purpose??

like
holy shit
neighbour is a role who is in a hood and can comunicate privately with one or more other neighbours
that's the point of the role
and duck was claiming "hey i am a neighbour, a role that can communicate with another neighbour, except i am not really a neighbour becaus ei cannot communicate with anyone becuase i don't have a neighbour"
when he was already under fire
and at least someone was gonna comment "hey... that maybe.... sounds like a lie......"

Since we are only playing with 1 role from each game, it doesn't make any sense to me why a neighbor or a lover would have a neighbor/lover partner

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i dont see the downside of neighborless neighbor claim, it's just an extra detail any scum could slip into their fake-claim

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Since we are only playing with 1 role from each game, it doesn't make any sense to me why a neighbor or a lover would have a neighbor/lover partner

because that's the point of the role???????

am i speaking english

is this a dream

let's say you knew nothing about this game except the setup and you were a scum making a fake-claim - is it plausible to have a neighbor without a neighborhood?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if the randomly selected game was a true love game - I'd expect there to be a lover without a lover-partner

if the randomly selected game was a neighborhood game - I'd expect there to be a neighbor without a neighborhood.

I don't see why one confirms the other or vice versa

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the mod randomly selected 9 games to pick roles out of and balance them right?

so if he randomly selects the true love setup - there would have to be a lover without a lover-partner

if he randomly selects a neighborhood setup- there would have to be a neighbor without a neighbor-partner.

Since these games are randomly selected - the presence of a lover without a lover and a neighbor without a neighbor is not alignment indicative in any way.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

since I'm getting nowhere with the Pooky wouldn't offered to get lynched defense with you guys, let's try associatives.

Let's assume for the sake of argument Pooky is scum here.

Who is Pooky's scum partner? Let's look at all the possibilities:


Skitter - Nah she's marked for death


Something_Smart - Koba put Pooky at L-1, SS asked mod a question that confirmed Pooky was lying about his role, Pooky is pushing SS as the lynch.


The_Worst - This would mean there is only 1 TPR in the game...


Raven - Bugspray interaction with Pooky on D1 was: Pooky nearly hammered by Bugspray accidentally, Bugspray putting Pooky at L-1 for a prolonged period of time, Pooky getting reamed by Datisi for voting Bugspray.


Datisi - LOLOLOLOLOLOL


So which of these players is supposed to be my scumpartner?

hint: I don't have a scumpartner I'm town.

I dunno if you read this post @skitter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

except it wasn't a "neighborhood game", it was a normal setup that happened to have neighbours in it and it was a conscious choice to include it

and ~setup synergy~ and the fact that neighbourless neighbour is a gutsy claim = duck probably town on mech (this is not conclusive ik ik)

what other choice does tw have? is he supposed to claim the cop role from that game instead?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but why is neighbor bodyguard supposed to be "risky" like I don't get that at all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't get how you can be this sure I'm scum and be wrong. If you're actually scum here I'm going to be very upset with you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why wouldn't you get pissed off if you can't get townpooky lynched as scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Micc

If the scum from the Mark of Death game was lynched - would the remaining scum player be able to use Mark of Death?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you're saying anger is AI for you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you've never faked anger at someone as scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will be beyond upset with you if you actually are scum this game datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because i've put up with your nonstop "pooky must die" crap for 170 pages because I think surely scumDatisi couldn't be that much of a jerk but if I find out this was all faked bullshit I will literally go nuclear on you every game you come at me like this from now on to inifinity

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i literally offered to die yesterday just to satisfy your ridiculous urge to kill me so you'd play the game straight

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah you could be scum tunneling me and laughing and having a grand !@#$ing time derping me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but I'm not going to pursue that because I'd probly get banned for 2 weeks if I did

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba is a tryhard and I don't think it's out of his scumrange. I had him locktown on d1 too but SS has kind of tarnished that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I'm not even that sure of SS being scum but I really like Raven's play way better than SS and I hate losing to Lurker-Scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if I had to make a graph of the effort level in this game rn it'd be :

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm not saying i wouldn't do it as scum, btw
like if it's within the bounds of the game i don't think i'd have a problem Morally doing that

just so happens i'm crap at faking emotions and tunnels and also i'm town

@skitt, you mean first 3 pages of the game or first 3 pages of koba's iso

no I'm saying it's a jerk thing to death-tunnel someone for an entire game and I'd be more ok with it coming from town-datisi who actually believed Pooky=Scum than scum-datisi who used a death-tunnel to hide himself.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

huh?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how about purple or blue then?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok is this better?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

s'called being scum for a reason

what do you mean by this?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah i wouldn't be annoyed

I would be FURIOUS

you better not be scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i would legit hurl my laptop thru a window

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my reaction if dats flips scum:

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There's a small subset of this plist who enjoys playing as scum and is capable of a pretty impressive level of fluidity when responding to things as scum because they Want To and Are Having Fun

ngl i would be having a lot more fun if I was scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which is why btw I think TW/SS are the scum here

cuz they r like the only 2 who aren't in a state of constant pain from this shit game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

- despite calling for your elim you were not making an effort to solve the game meaningfully; despite thinking dsj was a miselim you were still waiting for his flip to solve the game despite the fact you wanted to be elim'd before him?

i literally posted my solution for the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

Then who is scum, then?

lets say i am lynched today.

assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.

if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.

if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Saying "hey guys elim me instead" is somewhat >rand town in isolation but you also seem acutely aware of this which cancels out the meta tell. outside of that:

it's not a tell I was legit hoping to get lynched and you guys would follow my solution

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

- given you didn't actually try to play anti survivalistically D2 outside of weakly signalling that we should elim you while the major wagon was elsewhere, I'm not at all convinced that you actually wanted to die more than you wanted dsj to die.

it wasn't a weak signal - I was legit asking to get lynched instead of dsj

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

- the fact you're suddenly swinging around and wielding this as a "never elim me I'm conftown via being outside of my scumrange" based on a posting pattern which I'm pretty sure I could train my fish to do, strikes me as closet to sheer survivalism than an effort to earnestly clear yourself

I said I would never offer to get lynched as scum because it's dumbplay esp to derail a mis-elim wagon

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tw who's my scumbuddy if I'm scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you're pretty happy about the game state

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tw who's my scumbuddy if I'm scum?

Raven > SS > dats

outside chance of me

Raven doesn't make sense because bugspray almost lynched me D1

SS doesn't make sense because he literally exposed me as lying by asking the mod a question about my role and koba interaction d1 with me is obv not s/s and also cuz i'm pushing him as the lynch

Dats is just hahahahaha ok buddy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you're pretty happy about the game state

I mean I literally couldn't bring myself to post in this thread while I was sick for the weekend so... not particularly?

I'm always happy-ish tho

I mean you were pretty upbeat during D2 and going into the lynch.

today you apparently feel 0 doubt at all about the lylo and you are super upbeat when an actual townside player should be feeling pretty conflicted.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what exactly are you seeing?

You really think bugspray almost accidentally hammers his own scumpartner on early D1?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you're pretty happy about the game state

I mean I literally couldn't bring myself to post in this thread while I was sick for the weekend so... not particularly?

I'm always happy-ish tho

I mean you were pretty upbeat during D2 and going into the lynch.

today you apparently feel 0 doubt at all about the lylo and you are super upbeat when an actual townside player should be feeling pretty conflicted.

1) I was anxious about D2 but felt reasonably confident ish? I'm always upbeat

2) what part of this makes you think I feel 0 doubt....? the only thing I'm confident about is that you're straight up openwolfing lol. again I'm always upbeat.

how am i openwolfing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

imagine if the team was datisi/pooky tho

i think i'd go straight into retirement because genuinely nothing would ever peak this game

if we were scum together i'd be happy dying cuz i know you'd lockwin this shit

but we're not scum together so -.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sounds like you are reaching and you dont actually believe this happened

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the fumes are getting stronger
is this conversation actually happening

ok what is your solve Pooky?

tw/ss

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Raven doesn't make sense because bugspray almost lynched me D1

and bussing doesn't exist?

how often do scum bus-hammer their partner on the first day of D1 off no information?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

or we aren't fucking partners

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so if bugspray isnt my partner who is my partner?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oooh i know

maybe pooky doesnt have a partner

maybe he's solo scum and Micc is his partner!?!? AM I DOING THIS RIGHT!?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game is great

never stop being so transparently scummy TW/SS

I <3 you 2

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont see how any town player doesnt feel even the littlest bit of doubt

like i have tremendous doubt about my solve i dont get how you are so confident in yours

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like its just whack how much confidence ya'all strut around with if you're actually town in this situation

absolutely fooking wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont see how any town player doesnt feel even the littlest bit of doubt

like i have tremendous doubt about my solve i dont get how you are so confident in yours

i'm projecting more confidence than i have and even then i know that my voice is cracking

like
i think there's a reality where ss has pocketed me here
there's a reality where i'm Flat Out Wrong and it's like, raven/ss or something
there's a reality where datisi has suddenly become very very self aware of his meta and how to outplay it


but i also don't feel very incentivised to consider these realities heavily, when you're really clumsily trying to drive a miselim on me and constantly shading & shooting down everything i say?

no i'm trying to lynch SS not you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we need to flip ss today

if tw still doesnt protect any1 successfully - odds r he is last scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i do think you're ss partner but I'm willing to give you another night to try to block a bulllet in the off chance I'm wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if we flip SS today and he's scum would you still think Pooky is scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i explained it in the beginning of the day

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My personal opinion wrt to duckling’s role is that I agree with Skitter and not SS or Pooky. I still don’t really see how a marking scum confirms it but I also don’t understand why Pooky thinks that if an mfd happens again it casts doubt upon it.

mfd doesnt confirm it - SS trying to usd MFD to confirm it is what casts doubt on it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the fact you came into this phase knowing what you wanted to push does not make me feel any less confident that you're driving an agenda

its literally the same team that I wanted to push when I asked you guys yesterday to lynch me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I said hey lynch me, and when I flip green this is what I think you should flip next, I'm not sure how much more weight I can put behind that opinion

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is why I wanted to die yesterday

this game sucks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

btw can you explain why you protected SS on N1? like I legit don't understand why it makes sense to trade a bodyguard for a vt

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dkko made some comment about how pushing them wasn't going to go well and i thought it was a tpr soft. i tried to find it but i literally hate reading their iso so fucking much.

i threw around a few other options but felt protecting the early tpr soft was best.

do you think it makes sense as BG to protect someone who's a VT?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so wait if you think he softed tpr why would you be ok with SS claiming VT?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im trying to figure out why you think SS is town here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you dont need to figure out my partner if you guys lynch me cuz game will be over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how is 459 scum-indicative?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont get how either of the Pooky quotes you pulled are scum-indicative

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what I'm trying to get at with the question is whether if DonC was the scum from the masked game - whether he would be a weakened scum if we killed his partner and hence he would not be much of a threat

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like at that point in the game , we knew DonC was from the masked game, so he was either a vanilla townie or a one-shot nightkill Mafia player from that game.

If the mod had indicated that the one-shot nightkill mafia player is unable to kill or can only kill once in the entire game - that would make the role imbalanced and hence DonC would likely be a VT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes and hence why I asked the question

if I knew the scum had some MFD ability I wouldn't do some stupid vigilante fakeclaim gambit to try to get myself nightkilled

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually now that I think about it I still would do that vigilante fakeclaim cuz in a 1v1 scum can't afford to mark of death me because I'd just shoot them first if they believed I was a real vig so scratch that last point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

duuuuuuuuckling if you're town savvvvvve me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i really wish I was scum tho

this game would be way easier

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nobody makes sense as my partner because I literally do not have a partner

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean the game will be over so it'll be the end of all our misery and honestly im so exhausted at this point I think that would be fine by me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if you guys were gonna do me like this today you really should've just lynched me yesterday so I wouldnt have to suffer thru lylo like this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i was gonna do some datamining tonight on SS game history but if you're deadset on killing me im just not gonna waste any more time on this game so pls let me know thanks skitter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

w i l d

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean just let me know if you are dead set on killing me and I should stop wasting time on convincing you.

I really don't feel like spending more time on this game than I already have - I'm ready to mark it down in the lost bin at this point and prodging till the end

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok that's fair I guess

sorry about putting everything on your shoulders