Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [scum pt]

[Menalque]

if we no kill tonight we get andres alive tomorrow and re-evaluating

buuuuuut we can spin a "hmmmm awfully convenient that this seems to back up NDmath's claim when I don't think anyone would target NDmath with a NK..." argument maybe

if we kill andres tonight and I bus you then I can kill NDmath the following night and go to gylo with plus+ydrasse (maybe mylo with plus+ydrasse if Ndmath really is a commuter) I think either of those scenarios benefits me?

ehhhhh I think I don't want andres alive tomorrow more than anything else

[Menalque]

ugh we did do some distancing but I also wanted to win this game in 5p not go to 3p or 4p so I didn't really spend that much time worrying about just townbinning you and the optics of that because I wasn't thinking about the possibility of you flipping

joder

[Menalque]

okay

andres needs to die, he'll re-evaluate and he's definitely not the person I want re-examining my push on osuka on D1, even if he is still leaning me town aorn

the only other option is making a kill like plusjoy or something and going to 3p (andres, me, Ydrasse) but like honestly that sounds awful given andres' TR on ydrasse

[Menalque]

wait, is that awful?

kill plusjoy

bus shelly

try to kill math, or kill andres -- only after shelly flip math is confirmed so proooooobably kill math here and just live with it if it doesn't work

the problem here is that it's a massive gamble on how much andres is an intellectual player vs how much he's a gut player. intellectually, that looks worse for ydrasse when you think about it -- do I really go to 3p with andres and ydrasse when ydrasse is andres' top TR? but also tbf, why does ydrasse bring me to there with her

[shellyc]

no joyed kill is so bad and plus votes ydrasse / ydrasse votes plus any day

get rid of Andres, no kill is ehhhhh but town most likely no lims

[shellyc]

shelly do you remember who you've had optimal success creating bad associations with? because that would be the ideal person for me to bring to 3p gylo which is my current guess of the way things are going

joyed had a Theory about ydrasse/shelly earlier, see if you can evoke that and make plus vote ydrasse

[shellyc]

if anything I think associations with plus are not SvS
interactions with math are ehhhhhh quite bad
interactions with ydrasse are actually quite not SvS but joyed is an enigma
interactions with Andres are also quite bad

[shellyc]

highest percent of victory is plus alive since that dude changes his mind 10 times a day
ydrasse is pocketable and I think early-game I’ve pocketed to some extent
Andres will rethink if alive
actually there’s a high chance of math voting plusjoy tbh

[Menalque]

yeah one of my main concerns here is that I think things are nicely set up for a plus + math scum team push

but I'm worried that it's hard to push plus as a partner for you because that wasn't something I had in mind or set up for very much

I think there's still a chance of getting Ydrasse to vote plus especially if plus seems overly keen on pushing you tomorrow

[shellyc]

yeeeeeah I hope we get this done in 5p

plus + math is very good push but I think maybe Ydrasse is competent enough to wake up from that world (hopefully not)
if I get limmed today maybe kill plus since they have very little partner equivalence with me and maybe push math as my partner

[Menalque]

The problem is if I kill plus that raises a lot of questions about what world ydrasse or math would have to be living in to believe that town!plus is a better kill than town!mena

[Menalque]

Surely

surely

The NRG, se stupidly townsided as they sign off on setups as being, did not sign off on:

Informed loyal cop, jailkeeper, town checker, full commuter

Vs

Informed goon, rolestopper

[Menalque]

Although the more I look at it the more I think “yes. yes, that is exactly the sort of thing the NRG would do, and this is why I stopped playing normals”

[Menalque]

Yes, 2 strong TPRs plus another able to get guilties, plus a role that cannot be killed at night is totally balanced

Surely the commute is BS. Like we know he has something but that’s a bluff right

[Menalque]

It’s just so much less /elegant/ than if he’s ascetic

[shellyc]

menal whats your timezone?

I’ll be on the site a lot (I have a few days off) in case there’s a vote for joyed
I think math has a very high chance of voting joyed, im gonna AtE to ydrasse if necessary, I think math doesn’t vote me

[Menalque]

EU, so GMT+1

[shellyc]

oooh Massclaim Time

I lowkey wanna claim a clear on ydrasse and Get That Vote on joyed but meh I think we should both go for VT

[Menalque]

this is very interesting

hmmm

okay, I'm gonna lie low briefly to see how the reactions to the plus vote pan out before I enter

[Menalque]

btw if you're fronting a plus scum read you really need to vote him as he should be confscum to you now

[shellyc]

yeah, I'll vote joyed now as they are “confscum” to me

[shellyc]

you better claim a pr my dude and clear ydrasse or something, its to establish plus/math here

[Menalque]

I’m considering claiming backup JK with a softclear on you

[shellyc]

Might be a good idea tbh, backup jailer is a decently-strength role

[shellyc]

also explains how you highboy dipped to dodge the nightkill since you are a backup

have you softed JK?