In post 396, Titus wrote:Well, if you were really familiar with me, you'd know that a) my VCA is just wagon momentum study until day 3 with a scum lynch. Lockscum means I would be willing to vote you for the rest of today.
My problem is you seem to act like we have extensive history but you don't know basic things about me, my VCA, or apparently my scum game.
I don't know much about you, we've just played a few games together. My voting patterns set off your VCA alarms for whatever reason, I don't really know why.
I really don't want to come off like accusing you of being a tyrant that constantly scumreads me to torment me or something.
You do scumread me for VCA a lot though. That's all I really should've said and stopped there, but well.. that'd be just too rational.
In post 393, Titus wrote:Tldr reply to Fidget. I don't expect you to agree on a scumread of your slot ever. That's not the point. NAI you will argue it is wrong. So unless people actually care, I am not responding to 90% of that wall.
I have a tendency to respond poorly to being scumread. Sometimes I can sympathize with the reasoning after taking a break though. In this case, I cannot. I don't get it even slightly. I don't get how the test worked, I don't see what I was doing before the test, and you certainly haven't explained it past calling me lockscum for being "sheeping scum".
Well that's the thing about wagon analysis and VCA. It's not about context. It's merely about when the votes are placed. The only exceptions are things like guilties.
I guess it's a playstyle clash that I just don't get and probably won't. Again I'm really sorry for flipping out about it.
In post 396, Titus wrote:Well, if you were really familiar with me, you'd know that a) my VCA is just wagon momentum study until day 3 with a scum lynch. Lockscum means I would be willing to vote you for the rest of today.
My problem is you seem to act like we have extensive history but you don't know basic things about me, my VCA, or apparently my scum game.
I don't know much about you, we've just played a few games together. My voting patterns set off your VCA alarms for whatever reason, I don't really know why.
I really don't want to come off like accusing you of being a tyrant that constantly scumreads me to torment me or something.
You do scumread me for VCA a lot though. That's all I really should've said and stopped there, but well.. that'd be just too rational.
Well here's the thing. There's two other scum if I am right and three if I am wrong. A dialogue with you doesn't hurt town, whatever your alignment is. So despite the fact I would be down for voting you at anytime today, I am still going to hunt other scum and check my assumptions.
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:05 pm
by Titus
In post 401, Fidget wrote:I guess it's a playstyle clash that I just don't get and probably won't. Again I'm really sorry for flipping out about it.
It's nothing new having people flip out about my methods regardless of their alignment. I don't take it personally.
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:08 pm
by Fidget
In post 402, Titus wrote:Well here's the thing. There's two other scum if I am right and three if I am wrong. A dialogue with you doesn't hurt town, whatever your alignment is. So despite the fact I would be down for voting you at anytime today, I am still going to hunt other scum and check my assumptions.
Maybe I took lockscum the wrong way.
I really should not be upset by you saying my voting patterns match what you expect from scum, but I suppose I took it more as "I used this secret technique that has revealed to me that Fidget is confirmed scum. I had this suspicion all along btw." which just seems more like you're putting on a show than actually reading me. I also kind of thought you were going to tunnel harder from the "lockscum" wording
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:15 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
so titus and fidget were just distancing? this reconciliation reads really strange to me. but maybe thats just because its past bedtime.
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:17 pm
by Gypyx
Catching up, and i see it's duel of the walls of text time, i'm not reading that
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:24 pm
by Fidget
In post 405, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so titus and fidget were just distancing? this reconciliation reads really strange to me. but maybe thats just because its past bedtime.
What seems odd about it to you? I would say the only "reconciliation" would be me softening on my stance that Titus' test is BS and therefore scummy. Now I'm just solid on the first part. I don't see any change in Titus' read of me.
You yourself pointed it out when I said Titus usually does this read on me. Maybe it's still a little early but I did probably vote more with my heart than with my head on that one, I know she has done these types of reads I don't get before. This one just seemed really bad to me ig
In post 390, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i dont see you being a baby. i dont see what titus claims to have seen. and i agree that this probably comes from scum!titus. and im not sure why so many people are either agreeing and not voting or not commenting on this at all.
See I'm with you on the first part. I'm just a bit shaken on whether or not this is more likely to come from scum!Titus. I have a sneaking suspicion people agree and don't vote because they are more acquainted to hearing this kind of thing from Titus, maybe
Gypyx wrote:Catching up, and i see it's duel of the walls of text time, i'm not reading that
Advice: yeah don't trust me. At least mine aren't worth it
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:13 pm
by Gypyx
Yeah so first of all i doubt the nosferatu wagon is going anywhere UNVOTE:
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.
There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.
I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.
Vecna is well Vecna.
VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.
so does that mean you think titus is town because as town titus always falsely suspects you?
I've never played with Titus where she was scum, I don't think. You do make a good point that she's following the pattern I guess.
It mostly means I'm getting irritated for no reason though.
I know I said you're town earlier, but this stinks of bus'ing.
Fidget's whole response to me is weird regardless of his alignment.
In post 334, Marashu wrote:That said, when I saw it, it was meant to gauge the towniness/scuminess of the person being targeted, so it strikes me as weird to do this to someone who is V/LA, or at least not waiting that it was fabricated until the person got back to see if she got nervous.
An actual good point being made.
If the point was to get a reaction from shelly, then I would agree wholeheartedly. The goal was to get a reaction to see how easy it was to get a counterwagon to Taylor and what the less active slots would do voting wise.
Tldr reply to Fidget. I don't expect you to agree on a scumread of your slot ever. That's not the point. NAI you will argue it is wrong. So unless people actually care, I am not responding to 90% of that wall.
I will respond to the Vecna is Vecna comment. Vecna and I have a frequent history of suspecting each other day 1. His vote doesn't matter much to me because I expect it as either alignment. As town, he gets paranoid of me. As scum, he has to fake it. I'm going to read Vecna based on how he engages with others when he gets invested.
meh, might actually be town
UNVOTE: titus
boring
might actually be right about fidget. that response was heeeella wordy. exciting?
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.
There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.
I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.
Vecna is well Vecna.
VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.
I hate this woe is me. You are acting like this is a personal vendetta when I have no idea who you are. You're clearly some sort of alt that I have no knowledge of your main. So if my methods always ping you then it's either a) you're scum or b) you play like it. You spend this rant as if you're speaking to town me too.
Through page 15. Not touching the Pickaxe Pete wagon based on who got on. Reevaluating the wagon conclusion based on the motions of new wagons.
I think Battle Mage is getting sheeped by scum for his invalid premise and a reaction by Pickaxe that is easy to jump on.
I'm sorry I didn't mean for it to come off like accusing you of having a personal vendetta.
What I mean is that your method has a 0% success rate on me. Which is an option you left out, so I suppose that is option c).
I'm torn because the craziness of your test and its ensuing result doesn't match up with your confidence level. I feel you could have thought it was a good test as town, I guess. It's not the first time. I would say I'm past it but I just spent a lot of time getting annoyed about it so maybe it's a little soon to say that
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.
There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.
I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.
Vecna is well Vecna.
VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.
I hate this woe is me. You are acting like this is a personal vendetta when I have no idea who you are. You're clearly some sort of alt that I have no knowledge of your main. So if my methods always ping you then it's either a) you're scum or b) you play like it. You spend this rant as if you're speaking to town me too.
Through page 15. Not touching the Pickaxe Pete wagon based on who got on. Reevaluating the wagon conclusion based on the motions of new wagons.
I think Battle Mage is getting sheeped by scum for his invalid premise and a reaction by Pickaxe that is easy to jump on.
I'm sorry I didn't mean for it to come off like accusing you of having a personal vendetta.
What I mean is that your method has a 0% success rate on me. Which is an option you left out, so I suppose that is option c).
I'm torn because the craziness of your test and its ensuing result doesn't match up with your confidence level. I feel you could have thought it was a good test as town, I guess. It's not the first time. I would say I'm past it but I just spent a lot of time getting annoyed about it so maybe it's a little soon to say that
Well, if you were really familiar with me, you'd know that a) my VCA is just wagon momentum study until day 3 with a scum lynch. Lockscum means I would be willing to vote you for the rest of today.
My problem is you seem to act like we have extensive history but you don't know basic things about me, my VCA, or apparently my scum game.
so you wouldnt agree with me your scum game relies a lot more on gimmicks like this early early vca, while your townplay involves a lot more gut and natural progression?
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:25 pm
by Vecna
In post 405, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so titus and fidget were just distancing? this reconciliation reads really strange to me. but maybe thats just because its past bedtime.
I dont think ive ever seen town titus actively back away from a read. Whether its a case of realizing she picked a target thats putting up too strong of a fight, or its genuine reconsideration..
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:26 pm
by Vecna
In post 406, Gypyx wrote:Catching up, and i see it's duel of the walls of text time, i'm not reading that
that....seems like a bad approach? why would you actively do that and then let us know? Trying to create an image?
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:34 pm
by Gypyx
Hmmmm i think figet's reaction to titus's reaction test feels like paranoia, i'd say scum!paranoia but not sure about this one
In post 253, RedPanda wrote:I just don't see the reward of towncred which will evaporate as the game goes longer as enough incentive for scum to make that move.
I mean, you're kinda proving yourself wrong by giving BM towncred for doing that self-vote then right?
???? BM can't coast on the towncred forever?
True, but it's still giving him a headstart, no towncred lasts forever
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:55 pm
by Gypyx
In post 324, Tayl0r Swift wrote:pob in your latest post you didnt mention me. thats the first time youve done that in a while. does that mean your read on me has shifted?
I think this post is coming from a town mindset, an akward one but still town
In post 414, Gypyx wrote:Hmmmm i think figet's reaction to titus's reaction test feels like paranoia, i'd say scum!paranoia but not sure about this one
Could you pleas explain this one? I get you were doing it from memory, but what memory was it that led you to this?
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:19 am
by Marashu
In post 414, Gypyx wrote:Hmmmm i think figet's reaction to titus's reaction test feels like paranoia, i'd say scum!paranoia but not sure about this one
What does that mean? Wouldn't scum paranoia be fake paranoia? So, does it feel like paranoia or does it feel fake?