mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Bell]

The whole world is about to get derailed from what I can only assume is a misunderstanding of vague wording.

[Bell]

You're jumpin to conclusions my dude.
And Nero isn't going to respond well to this.

[Bell]

Instead of doing this, why not ask him to clarify what he meant by what he said?

[Bell]

He said he blamed Titus for a potential misplay,
not that he himself or she intentionally meant to jeopardize their win condition.
Perhaps they took a risk that did not pay dividends.

i also don't really think Taylor would say no to this.
Or at least I think Town taylor's first response would be to post in here and ask the rest of the town what they think.

[Bell]

Actually I retract that last part.
Taylor swift, Mysterious Lady.
Not necessarily a team player.

[Bell]

....
They're accelerating the game that from my perspective can only really be a good thing.
She can also control who she blows up on, so they're giving her the option to pick whoever she wants.
If she's scum she should just explode on one of the town or whatever.
If she's town, she's got pretty good shot of just hitting scum.

[Bell]

She's a suicide vig.
In my eyes.
I see no issue of putting potential scum in this position.

[Bell]

Oh.
she doesn't get to kill anyone.
Yeah.
She's never going to do that you silly people.

[Bell]

NGL, inviting scum to a hood with 30 pages in it so they can have the option to kill themselves is...
Not great.

[Bell]

It's literally never in your interest to suicide.
I don't think the information trade was worth it.
But I mean, I don't really care.

[Bell]

Taylor hasn't given us any usuable intel on the other two btw.

Did you ever stop and think that maybe she can’t because she is not scum?

Hmmm?

That townies may play “suboptimally” or not get your stupid plan.

I sure as hell dont. Bell doesn’t

And one of us HAS to be town at minimum. Imho both

Math, if you're town, Taylor's town, then Bell is very likely scum.

It's either you Taylor Chemist
Or bell Taylor Chemist

That's my solve today

I feel like, both your solves are wrong.

[Bell]

You’re right though, that if Taylor isn’t scum, I likely am. Just due to percentages, but I mean,
In that case, everyone is more likely to be scum when someone flips town. So that’s silly.

[Bell]

Why can't Taylor be scum?
Why can't Chemist be scum?

Or are you just objecting to Math/yourself being the third?

The latter.

[Bell]

I agree it was not, in my opinion, an optimal play because they lacked leverage.

However I also think that this is just a way of saying that the society wants to pull the town to this elimination in particular and they’re using whatever reasoning they want to get there.
Taylor isn’t LESS likely to be scum because of their play. The third party doesn’t know who the scum are anyway.

Already voting Taylor Titus.

[Bell]

Why can't Taylor be scum?
Why can't Chemist be scum?

Or are you just objecting to Math/yourself being the third?

The latter.

Join us on Taylor then? Nero and I are both on.

Ok, let's suppose that it's not you or Math despite you defending the possibility of Taylor gamethrowing. Who would be the last scum? SS? Why?

I’m failing to see how Taylor is game throwing by declining to kill herself.

Because PoE. Ya. Or Shelly, or POD.
It really doesn’t matter which way we go here as long as it’s not me and my one town read.
Even if both math and I are a scum team I think we still lose even if we’re saved till last.

At least you recognized that we’re not scum partners.

[Bell]

It’s simply preference to me at this point.

I’m not sure how these nights are gunna go. But I look forward to finding out,
I’m chillin’ cause I’m town.

[Bell]

Instead, Math falls back to the tired refrain of the Alliance are egomaniacs who refuse to work with town despite Dr. D's wildly desired execute.

This isn’t really important.
I personally feel you town sided and just made some mistakes because, you know, people make mistakes.

[Bell]

...
NGL, I’m troubled by their thinking.
I could see where Martina was coming from but if scum wanted to kill themselves they’d have just conceded already.
I’m not some bastion of logic, people are pretty able to see their own flaws in their plans, so I don’t really get how they all missed it.

Then again, bay of pigs.

[Bell]

Taylor probs still scum tho, just cause math.
And she hasn’t been a bastion of townieness this game.

Titus, town buddy town too you know.
But it doesn’t matter or rather this is conjecture that I’m entertaining with the thought that none of this will ultimately matter as long as you don’t make the mistake of mis-eliminating me.

[Bell]

VOTE: taylor

math, bell, this argument is ridiculous.
when you have 6 conftowns, 4 townies, and 3 scum, using what amounts to a loyal vig shot is pro-town because it either hits scum (taylor) or introduces the Double Day mechanic into the game. If taylor is town, she should suicide - if she's scum, she should not. it's that simple. since she is refusing to suicide, she must be scum.

It’s just so dumb and convoluted when what they really wanna say is “we think Taylor is scum and think we should eliminate them”

Which is fine. It’s just weird.

[Bell]

...
Oh Mastina, you card.

[Bell]

i know i am town. i also know that if i could suicide without ending the day, i would because it would narrow the PoE. pretty clear cut.

...you’re an idiot.

[Bell]

Ah crap.
Sorry.
I didn’t mean to insult you it just came out and I didn’t think to stop myself

I’m the idiot.

[Bell]

Well, time to get ready to move. I'll be seeing you guys around.

VLA today.

Pics may come later.

Take care out there Titus.

[Bell]

Not me either.

[Bell]

Hi by the way, I'm ready to defend myself from Battle mages grasp and or appeal to Morning Tweet's better read if she has one.

[Bell]

VOTE: chemist 1422

The reason I voted Shelly is because Paradox seemed pretty confident and I sure as hell wasn't.

[Bell]

Also, did not expect Math to be a third party.
Weird that.

[Bell]

Also, did the scum kill get blocked?

[Bell]

~_~ Please side with the town if you're town siding.
It's my side.

[Bell]

odd kill choice

He killed himself.

[Bell]

Why would scum ever use that ability if given a choice?

[Bell]

@The cop ability.
Also I totally didn't notice that.

[Bell]

It said he destructed.
Not that he was killed.
I figured Titus invited him and unlike me who would have spent all year trying to convince them I was town and this was dumb they had a more amiable.

Wait actually they'd just do that during the day to control the kill.
So Now I'm confused.

[Bell]

WB. SB hi hi

[Bell]

I'm wrong since if he was hood invited he'd have killed himself during the day. I'm just not sure why it said "destructed."
Instead of what it said before.

[Bell]

He DIED.
End of story.

I'm very confused.

@MorningMage: No my kill went through.

[Bell]

can we massclaim now? if we havent already...

I already claimed Obvious Vanilla Town. OVT

[Bell]

Seriously tho.
Why are you guys just ignoring this weirdness?
Are you ignoring this weirdness?

@MM: This would make more sense if everyone else thought I was scum, but this isn't the case so

[Bell]

He DIED.
End of story.

I'm very confused.

@MorningMage: No my kill went through.

you're claiming you killed SS, despite earlier thinking he had killed himself? Dude, you don't help yourself

...

[Bell]

No, which is why I'm asking around.

[Bell]

Did he say anything relevant in PT?

[Bell]

They didn't post last day phase either did they?

[Bell]

Now is a good time for a mass claim.

[Bell]

I think Math is being very scummy and creepy.

Because of the way they are talking.

It feels very odd and disturbing to have 1 line paragraphs with space inbetween.

The way this is made.

*shudders*

I'm convinced.

[Bell]

It wasn't a perfectly valid and town+ plan damnit.
It was weird! You don't kill yourself!

I say this with a town role pm.
I would have spent all of my time in that PT arguing that I was town and why killing myself wasn't in town's interest you loons.

[Bell]

....Now that I know math is a third party I can't even talk about what the fuck happened with S_S.
That wasn't a scum kill obviously.
Does no one know what destructed typically means? Is that common terminology for some other role?

[Bell]

It wasn't a perfectly valid and town+ plan damnit.
It was weird! You don't kill yourself!

I say this with a town role pm.
I would have spent all of my time in that PT arguing that I was town and why killing myself wasn't in town's interest you loons.

you're wrong though. and i dont even know why you're arguing that with all the conftowns telling you. it literally caught us taylor-scum yesterday.

Goddamn I'm not going to waste my time going into this.
It did not catch taylor scum. They corrctly identified her as scum and she became obvious not because of how she chose not to blow herself up but because she chose to act like taylorswift and argue that they were all scum and then didn't go to us to talk about it.

She was scum for her play, not because she didn't blow up especially because

I wouldn't have blown up either.

Yeesh.

[Bell]

Every kill from mod says "destructed in the night"

Oh. Well fuck me.

But why the fuck would scum kill S_S.
Seriously?

[Bell]

BBL.

[Bell]

i guess. I just think Math is the last scum and Titus won't go there so....

I'm doing okay and yes that kill makes no fucking sense.

[Bell]

Please save me from Battle Mage.
He keeps reading me wrong.
It's very concerning to my health.

[Bell]

Thx.

[Bell]

...Whoever you are!

[Bell]

I'm doing okay and yes that kill makes no fucking sense.

I think it kinda does from a Math POV.

I was kinda thinking that. Maybe it was a third party kill who wants to suck up to the ...People?
But why not just say that.

[Bell]

Do the king Donatello's army want to come out and say hello?
Maybe talk in thread about what's going on?

[Bell]

@Bell: You do trust me, no? I mean, skill-wise. If you do, please follow me. IF I'm wrong I will take ALL the blame.

Where am I sheeping?

[Bell]

Well, we got sometime to reflect on that morning. I see your point, but scum!Bell is going to continue the antisuicide path too.

@Bell: You do trust me, no? I mean, skill-wise. If you do, please follow me. IF I'm wrong I will take ALL the blame.

Where am I sheeping?

[Bell]

All i’m gunna do is spam your pages with why i’m Town until you give in first.

Hood someone else.

[Bell]

Eh, I can already tell you that tinfoil theory is wrong.

[Bell]

Who am I voting

[Bell]

You don’t need to test a green role pm.
I’d say trust your reads but don’t trust you reads.
Maybe trust norwe’s reads.

[Bell]

I believe so Nero, on the unrecruitable part

[Bell]

@Bell: You do trust me, no? I mean, skill-wise. If you do, please follow me. IF I'm wrong I will take ALL the blame.

Where am I sheeping?

Wait for now, then if chemist doesn't self-sacrifice you vote her, and then stay put for tomorrow when we have worked things out in the PT.

P.S. And if I'm dead by tomorrow, follow sb.

K

UNVOTE:

[Bell]

Plz reevaluate me.

You’ll look good if you do.

[Bell]

Please kill the third party before you kill town bell.
Ty

[Bell]

Please kill the third party before you kill town bell.
Ty

What have you done that's townie?

Not gotten in the way.

[Bell]

Math hasn't been as wrong as Nero stated. Math did prefer Pickaxe Pete out of the three when asked while most everyone else wanted DDL.

Math did hard defend Taylor, but it wasn't the play Math was defending at all but the premise instead.

Math wasn't around for the Gamma execution. Bell was and did jackshit despite being active.

I voted gamma and made a small case as to why his behavior was scum pinging me.
I unvoted when A50 said he was town.

[Bell]

Please kill the third party before you kill town bell.
Ty

What have you done that's townie?

Not gotten in the way.

Where have you scumhunted?

Here and there.

[Bell]

It’s pretty clear from the flips and my interactions with all the scum that i’m not scum with them.

[Bell]

This fucking election.

[Bell]

chemist today>>>>shelly sacrifices herself in the hood or gets eliminated>>>math>>>>bell

town win!

Sounds good to me.

@Titus no, to protecting a third party player who threw me under the bus the second his butt was on the line.

[Bell]

Looks like everyone thinks it's DDL.

I do not disagree. Though would like to note that Schadd said at least 1. So there could be two or more in that list.
I don't know how much I should be trusting the self-proclaimed 3rd party town block. This game could be easy or we could be on the cusp of being mowed down.

Here

Yeah that does look pretty bad. It's almost like I don't know who the scum are. I semi did this with Shelly too, though, in her case, I had reasons to think she is town, but I dunno for sure.

[Bell]

Er,
You realize how dumb that sounds to town Bell right.

[Bell]

Well MM is wrong.

[Bell]

Just gunna keep saying the truth to your face until I get miseliminated.

@Titus, no. Read the game and discover that I'm town instead and that you should put someone not town in that seat.
I will bury you under posts pointing out why I'm town if you invite me to that thread.

[Bell]

Er,
You realize how dumb that sounds to town Bell right.

Can you explain why you've been so lackluster this game. Usually as town you tend to have some form of presence, while here i'm struggling to remember a single thing you've done that's relevant other than protecting Tayl0r.

Please recall the many reasons I've already stated I've been lackluster this game.
I'm not driving the wagons. I'm not driving the eliminations. Its been your show the entire time and you've made it abundantly clear that's how you guys wanted it.
So I stayed out of the way and just gave my input when it was asked of me, while trying to get a handle on the game as best as I could.

[Bell]

Who's the last 2 scum Bell? And why?

I already answered this question.

I'm in the Cain camp. I don't need to know who the last two scum are. I just need to keep myself alive until town wins.

[Bell]

Are you sure that's objectively the best plan.
It involves executing town Bell.

[Bell]

Did chemist say they would explode?

[Bell]

Iunno, I'm not being very hard headed from my POV. I'm genuinely saying I'm town here. I don't think it's in either of our interests for me to actually xplode instead of just taking myself off the chopping block by convincing you that this is the case.

[Bell]

Have you ever had someone be this insistent about being town and ending up flipping scum before?

[Bell]

How about this.

I'll do what A50 and Superbowl tell me what to do.

[Bell]

I trust them more than you.
I'm not totally against killing myself but only if there's guaranteed odds of victory.

[Bell]

I think I'm being reasonable by trusting thetwo players more closely aligned with the town and have been more prone to caution.
MM doesn't count because he's both annoying and wrong, the worst combination.

[Bell]

Why am I more likely to flip scum than Shelly/TGP?

[Bell]

Why am I more likely to flip scum than Shelly/TGP?

This is assuming Chemist is scum. Which proves the pools are most likely scum ability and created to make Shelly/TGP look guilty.

....Jesus christ.

[Bell]

Why am I more likely to flip scum than Shelly/TGP?

This is assuming Chemist is scum. Which proves the pools are most likely scum ability and created to make Shelly/TGP look guilty.

....Jesus christ.

Who's the magical town cop then? You tell me.

You're making the assumption that you can outguess the scum team.

[Bell]

You're playing wifom with them. That's just not a working strategy.
The less assumptions you make the less likely you are to make a mistake.

[Bell]

Question.
What does scum!MathBlade get out of claiming 3P?

[Bell]

You're playing wifom with them. That's just not a working strategy.
The less assumptions you make the less likely you are to make a mistake.

You don't want to chance a 50/50. If Math heals right, town wins.

No, I really don't! There are better odds than that if you just suddenly decide I'm town and I think we win just right then and there?

[Bell]

If you guys had ONE correct town ead out of the remaining town people alive do we win?
Should I go back and make a case for town Bell?

[Bell]

I don't have a scum me tho.

[Bell]

*Waves hand back and forth*
Hello? Right in front of you. Town hand here. All you have to do is grab it.

[Bell]

Does Norwe think town me should kill myself.

[Bell]

Does Norwe think town me should kill myself.

I think town!you should sit down and have a nice cup of tea.

[Bell]

Do u see why I don't trust your plans.

[Bell]

You can blow yourself up and deny scum an NK.
@chemist.

[Bell]

Shhh Norwe.
I wanna see what happens.

[Bell]

You're responding too quickly to information, you don't give them enough time to mess up or ask follow up questions to verify it.
That's kind of a mistake imo.
I fake town slips as scum and town and mistakenly scum slip as both scum and town.
Acting ignorant or trying to undermine someone's understanding is their focus. That kind of thing is exactly the kind of behavior I would expect Scum to do.
On the otherhand this game is long so I think it could be column A.

[Bell]

reminder that you are a hardclaimed not town...

[Bell]

So you're claiming town.
And not 3p doctor.

[Bell]

Why did you throw me under the bus all of a sudden if you were just fake claiming math?

[Bell]

Okay, why did you throw me under the bus 3P Doctor Math.

[Bell]

Why did you throw me under the bus all of a sudden if you were just fake claiming math?

1) I don’t own a bus
2) What?

Are you trolling me rn.

[Bell]

Because if Math refuses to suicide, we execute him.

I will make it easy. Hood Bell.

I have said several times I cannot execute.

It is against my wincon.

You called me town for most the game and knew my position on killing myself but still suggested I be killed here. If you were fake claiming 3P this shift doesn't make sense.

[Bell]

I'm waiting for A50 and SB to get here.
>.> <.<

[Bell]

Read it again.

[Bell]

Norwe seems impulsive. I want the less impulsive ppl to avoid us snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by mistake.

[Bell]

There's probably a safe way to win this. That doesn't involve making the current assumptions you guys seem to be operating under.

[Bell]

VOTE: Chemist

[Bell]

Chemist is confscum. Stick to the plan.

What's the plan tho.
Are you ever going to change your mind on scum me. Or is this going to be a conversation.

[Bell]

I was thinking we could switch to hand signals and smoke signals next day phase to spice it up a little.

[Bell]

Then he's last scum and we're fine.

[Bell]

Oh.

[Bell]

She did give results.

[Bell]

Hi Chemist. Can you share your full role information so far. Everything you got. Night actions and everything.

n1 one visit on titus "glad to see that"
n2 no visits on math
n3 no visits on norwee
n4 no visits on A50
n5 no visits on titus

[Bell]

No, this is just how I am as a person.
You can probably find examples if you meta me.

[Bell]

Peace.

[Bell]

Yellow

[Bell]

I mean we basically have an autowin no unless bell is scum

Good news. I'm town.

[Bell]

How do we autowin from here?

[Bell]

If Shelly explodes this game is over for scum.

[Bell]

I wanna just wait for Shelly to come in, if she's town she wins the game for us.

[Bell]

Math you can pull this out, all you have to do is miseliminate me if you're scum.
I believe in you.

[Bell]

Did shelly say whether she would explode or not?

[Bell]

Why do we want A50 to explode?

[Bell]

Oh because they might not have the same win con as us so for town to win they would need to dwindle their numbers before they dwindled ours?
Aren't we already even with them though?

[Bell]

....
It is normal for me to uncomfortable with this new information, right?

[Bell]

I am speaking for myself.
If we're already even we'd have lost if that team needed parity to win right?

[Bell]

...How come I wasn't informed I was a traitor at the beginning of the game?

[Bell]

I'm literally too dumb to understand this convoluted shit imao.

[Bell]

Well I have no incentive to play along.

VOTE: MathBlade

[Bell]

I'm not even a traitor so Math just pretty much scum claimed.

[Bell]

I'm pretty interested if the game is going to end or not or what the hell happened in this game.

[Bell]

We are literally at 5v4 if Bell would quit being silly.

[Bell]

No kidding.

[Bell]

His argument doesn't even work as wifom. He did indeed, implode.
Which is okay. Um, he tried really hard this game and I was cleanly fooled.
Bleh.

[Bell]

Yay we win!

[Bell]

I take all the credit.

[Bell]

gg have a good one Math.

[Bell]

Why didn't you just Argue I was scum after Shelly suicided?
and claim town with a convoluted scheme?
Eh I'll ask after the game.

[Bell]

That was a good VCA.

[Bell]

I don't really think she spiraled at all about any one other than you math.

[Bell]

My reads were so-so.

I for one am grateful that the third parties all decided to town side. Though it sounds like only one had the option not to.

[Bell]

He asked people not to use the L word and the mod intervened confirming that they meant what they said and they weren't scum arguing about stuff that was related to their win condition.
I doubt Ban hydras would have been miseliminated anyway just because of the pilots involved.

TBH, I don't think it confirms them as anything othe than having an opinion and a (good) one imo.
Ironically Christopher scum was complaining about hydras because he in fact was using it as an excuse not to hunt. >.>

[Bell]

Don't get it.

Also it turned out that ban hydras was vigged. So the point is especially mute since town apparently thought they were scum anyway.

[Bell]

I was a player in this game.

gg have a good one.