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[Purple Heart]

You also wanna talk about hwo you didn't talk Taly's approach in goodfaith?
You wanna talk about that too?

[Purple Heart]

I have things I want to get out of people first, including a full reads list from uncrowned, you, Noraa, and tracy

just like a most likely to least likely to be town right now?

kookiemonster
murdercat
infinity
uncrowned
purple heart
gamma emerald

didn't you hammer a wagon I put at L-1?

[Purple Heart]

You also wanna talk about hwo you didn't talk Taly's approach in goodfaith?
You wanna talk about that too?

He asked me to ask him questions. I didn’t really have anything to ask him, but I did anyway because he wanted me too. What are you on about?

1366 feels like stretching to find reasons for reads.

[Purple Heart]

You also wanna talk about hwo you didn't talk Taly's approach in goodfaith?
You wanna talk about that too?

He asked me to ask him questions. I didn’t really have anything to ask him, but I did anyway because he wanted me too. What are you on about?

1366 feels like stretching to find reasons for reads.

I saw something I found scummy and pointed it out.

I’m pretty sure gamma is town and the fact that everyone finds him suspicious now and not yesterday is weirding me the hell out. He’s not trying to look town anywhere and his approach is very natural IMO.

Okay
explain it then

[Purple Heart]

btw I've been using this time to work on a case.
So...

[Purple Heart]

Its not nearly close to done yet but I'm not posting it until Murder said his peace anyways.
What he has could just prompt me to drop my read entirely apparently so...

[Purple Heart]

What were each player's approach to the council?

[Purple Heart]

The way I see Tracy, I wanted you to track her.
My mindset on the slot is I can think of a lot of reasons why she's scum.
- She basically got a free pass and no one really talked about the slot or thought about it.
- Hammer can be a scum hammer.

However, there is somethings I can say that make me feel like Tracy could be town, and this is the most important thing ot me.

From Tracy's POV, I don't think she's really aligned with anyone?
Like she really comes across as just doing her own thing to me.

I also think the scum in the council is Infinity and I will be casing it. It just makes perfect sense for Infinity to be scum.

[Purple Heart]

A lot of that is why she felt like a good person to track.
ESPECIALLY the fact that no one really talks about her?

[Purple Heart]

Like if its not Infinity its Gamma.
Gamma to me honestly in retrospect, seems like he's coasting and I can't exactly remember for the life of me why I liked his posting.
I think I liked his take on Uncrowned when I said that Uncrowned could be TMI'ing me?

Like I'm not sure about this and I'm going after Infinity.

Infinity just makes the most sense to me.

[Purple Heart]

You are welcome to make an argument for it, but I think tracy should be the flip today. I think there examples of associations between Gamma and tracy (even just now when I pressed about the read there) but I think I should wait until we get confirmation of tracy's alignment.

What do you see from Tracy's POV.
I personally love working with associations so hit me with it.

[Purple Heart]

Why does Tracy at the start of the day come out and come out with a stance that busses gamma?

[Purple Heart]

What do you see from Tracy's POV.
I personally love working with associations so hit me with it.

Well that read on Gamma looked super fake to me just now, but that could be only tracy scum failing to have a reason to SR there.

However, there is another possibility which I think is reasonable and that's both Infinity and Gamma being scum. That would be the only world that makes sense to me where Tracy is town.

What about from Day 1?

[Purple Heart]

Why does Tracy at the start of the day come out and come out with a stance that busses gamma?

What do you see from Tracy's POV.
I personally love working with associations so hit me with it.

Well that read on Gamma looked super fake to me just now, but that could be only tracy scum failing to have a reason to SR there.

However, there is another possibility which I think is reasonable and that's both Infinity and Gamma being scum. That would be the only world that makes sense to me where Tracy is town.

What about from Day 1?

I think with the intention of making Gamma look better if (when) Tracy flips

But Infinity/Gamma is a real thing

The bus sounds really pre-emptive. It sounds like a really weird strategy and if this is what was what was going to happen, I wish you actually held this until you saw what Gamma wanted to do because now I think we'll just never know. I feel like it would have been better for you to do so.

pedit: Okay but what about Tracy's POV?
Okay you know what, look.
I'm passionate about this Infinity case. I want to post it.
Let's talk about that, and then maybe later or after me and Taly can map out tracy and we can talk about that if that's something we still want to do.

[Purple Heart]

Yeah I feel like otherwise we'll just go in circles

[Purple Heart]

Can we just say that Infinity just ghosted out of the thread?
thats wild

come back I wanna play some more n_n

[Purple Heart]

I Don't think Infinity ghosting out of the thread is actually a reason why he could be scum (but it could, I just don't feel strongly about it and I feel like its unfair for me to throw that at him), but this is just moreso me trying to get him to come back.

I was having fun playing with

my food

Infinity n_n

[Purple Heart]

Is he at least posting in hood?
Do ywall even have day talk?

[Purple Heart]

I'm here and don't have much to say? I don't have paranoia on murder anymore, I really feel like it's tracy/purple still.

that's it?
You don't want to continue the conversation we were having?

[Purple Heart]

If you don't I'll just post your death sentence.

[Purple Heart]

oh ok

[Purple Heart]

I don't think I'm interested in council participation.
I don't I should be either, I think the Flea kill makes me look bad enough that I shouldn't ever be in council.

[Purple Heart]

Man Infinity.
I feel like I'm forced to 1v1 you given my start of the day, and I certainly want to have this 1v1. Its gonna be fun to kill scum.
If you are town and you are learning blue, waiting for me to attack is correct.
Here's the problem though.

I could just
not attack.

You're being careful and I respect that.

dw though, I will attack you and I will come at you hard with full force.

You could be scum realizing you're mistake from twilight and playing it cool.
Or you could be town and what I said clicked.

So if you're town.
Show me.
It will be hard. Gamma knows how I am when I get this way. Its hard for me to pull myself out of tunnels.

If you're scum, I wish you best of luck in the 1v1.
If you're town, I hope you can do the best you can to convince me I'm wrong. If you fail to do so and you flip town, I'm sorry. I'm just doing my best to solve the puzzle.

[Purple Heart]

How the Infinity killed the Alisae

　　　　　　　　　

The Infinity ISO Map

Infinity 324 (1768)

MURDERCAT

✦15 =178 =376 +378 +380 +382 ◆+392 +443 +446 -?449 -453 =571 +592 -629 -632 -634 -669 =670 -814 -869 -971 =972 =976 -1042 =1053 +1078 +1084 =1094 -1109 -1134 =1243 +1307 ✦1320 ☀ =1416 =-?1422 -1470 +1576 ☾

tracy flick

=7 =137 -139 -187 =1022 +1064 =1065 -1109 -1134 +1304 ☀ -1470 +1583 ☾ -1678

Swizzle Pop/Noraa/kookiemonster

=10 =13 =24 =192 =291 =296 -345 +367 +?392 r =473 +?-?562 =564 -632 -657 -675 -681 =705 =712 ?728 -767 -775 -781 r -791 =813 ?969 ?972 =1082 =1093 -1109 -1134 -1287 =1328 +1347 ?1349 =1416 -1422 ☀ =1446 =1537 =1568 +1581 ☾

Uncrowned

=183 =194 ✦392 +624 =629 -846 =866 +873 +875 +887 +992 ✦846 -1134 +1137 ?1162 ◆1320 =1342 +1352 ☀ +1446 =1476 =1523 ☾

DkKoba/Purple Heart

+34 v41 u60 -159 -163 =292 =260 =296 -303 -309 -313 -352 -355 -357 -?+?364 -443 -446 -449 r =464 -503 =506 =533 =534 -536 -538 =562 +578 +593 -629 =715 =745 +773 ✦846 +973 -979 +986 ◆1102 -1109 -1119 -1126 -1129 -1134 =1142 -1147 =1166 +1188 =1207 =1208 =1243 +1250 -1281 -1283 -1287 =1292 =1294 -1307 +1309 ?1349 -1401 ☀ -1470 -1479 -1497 -1499 -1514 =1539 =1542 =1543 =1553 =1557 ☾ v1694 =1707 -1712 =1718 =?1725 -1729 -1678

Gamma Emerald

=43 =60 =139 =296 -297 -347 +604 =667 =696 =791 ✦+846 =887 +995 -1134 +1137 =1349 ☀ +1446 +1581 ☾

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OutWorldER

=7 -?139 -152 -178 -297 +339 +344 +592 -846 +992 -?1084 -1090 -1109 -1134 v1313 ☀ u1428 ✝

Flea the Magician

=7 =206 =296 +973 -1109 -1134 =1207 =1243 +1250 +1252 ☀ ✝

Before I tell my story, I need to post this map.
A lot of the story I want to tell is based around Infinity's progression on us and it include's some of Noraa's progression as well.
What this section of this case is about is going to be able his progression on other players and what this could mean.
- Flea. What interest us on his Flea read is how much it hinges on Taly's read and he scumreads us because if we're scum, we could just be defending a buddy. This read is likely indicative of TMI.
- MURDERCAT. Why is he electing to vote someone into the council that he has mostly - interactions with, even up to him electing him into council.
- Tracy. In general everything here is all over the place.
- Uncrowned. Their townread on the slot seems to hinge on the fact that they just seem really natural. This could be them defending a buddy, and I wouldn't say its impossible for Uncrowned to be scum with Infinity, however I feel like somethings from Uncrowned just don't exactly line up from Uncrowned's perspective.
- Gamma. Honestly, my only complaint is where does the read on 604 come from?
- OutWorldER. In retrospect to OutWorldER flipping town, I feel like Infinity's progression on the slot in general is bad.
I care about this a lot because he seems okay with OutWorldER even though I said in thread prior to it that OutWorldER was my prefered kill, several times.

I feel like another reason for scum!Infinity that I feel like could make Infinity scum in this game is his progression and handling of this player.

I also need to say I don't really feel strongly about any of these? (except OutWorldER)
I feel obligated to include it because its like, something, but its not the story I want to tell because the story I want to tell is what I believe makes Infinity scum in this game.

There's also another thing that I needed to ponder as well:
Why does Infinity feel the need to show his top TRs?
No offense, but I don't think anyone will care.
This may not exactly be the same, but I used to provide a FoS vote count alongside a normal votecount in games I modded.
As a mechanic, it acted as bloatwhere. There was no reason to include it and it was never important enough to use.
It seems weird Infinity is the only one that is using the heal tags for that purpose.
He said so earlier in the game that thats how he wanted to use those tags, but later in the game, when I started pushing for a council and that's what town needed to do with their time at that moment, Infinity is still using it to show his Top TRs.

What I expect from town is to abandon using their heals for the purpose of showing their top TRs and to try to get working on building a council.

When I incoperated FoS counts into my game, thats what happened. It had use early but no one cared about it mid-late.
The fact he feels obligated to do so this late into the game makes me feel like he's trying to make a show of it.

Again, it could just be town who needs to do it for themselves, so I don't feel strongly about this and I don't think this is what makes Infinity scum in this game.

　　　　　　　　　

Required Reading

In this case, I may mention players by what colors they are using.
This is a reference to This thread where I talk about MTG colors and how those colors would strategically approach the game of mafia.
I refer to this concept a lot as well as this thread a lot.

　　　　　　　　　

Meet Koba

Koba is a toxic gamer.
I sometimes say he when refering to them, so I am going to try to do the best I can to say them. I'm associate people with one pronoun and if they change its easy for me to mess up, so I'm mostly saying this as me basically saying I'm trying as hard as I can. Mostly so I don't get reported for fucking something up.
but I don't think that changes that koba is in fact a toxic gamer.
they also play what I feel like is a very blue/black game. You could argue they're red, but I don't think so. I think if you put Koba in late game their late game will be pretty strong and they would approach late game with blue not red. I also believe that their approach to the game is just more blue then red.

I feel like Infinity saw Koba as a threat

and tried to discredit it starting with 159.
At first is vague and somewhat inquisitive, but in general he does the opposite of giving koba benefit of the doubt.
He doesn't really seem interested in his analysis and just wants to the shade the slot.

Getting scumvibes from koba.

If u think im scum then gamma scum makes little sense? Lol

Someone brought up Open 799....lol

and so?

You bussed the shit out of your partner there, you could be bussing here

Not that I think it's particularly likely, gamma's posting has felt pretty natural to me so far. But having SRs on you and gamma is not incompatible at all.

please note my d1 reads are like historically never perfect. but im pretty good at at least catching 1 scum at some point during d1 so theres that

More LAMIST. I can tell the difference between feeling a town perspective and faking it.

To us this reads like a bad faith push.

　　　　　　　　　

Exit Koba, Enter Alisae

Me and Koba as town are both Blue/Black. However how we're black is different is how we respond to not being able to get the environment that we need.
Koba is generally toxic and if they can't get the environment they wants he'll still continue to operate how they normally does. However, they can't convince people if everyone hates them. I played scum before and I poetically killed Koba in F5 for game. What happened in that game was the conditions for them to be good were not met, everyone hated them, they got toxic, they self-destructed adn weren't able to convince anyone of their reads. The conditions for Koba to pop off were not met and it was what caused his team to lose the game.
I require to be townread and to be given the space I need to function. If I don't get that environment, I self-destruct, use my emotion. I am also used to being scumread so I can tell the difference between scum scumreading me and town scumreading me most times. If the playerlist doesn't respond well me or my emotion after they press their concerns about me, I will not thrive.

This is the main difference between me and koba

.
So the way Infinity decides to respond to this, is to give me an opportunity to allow him to townread me, so he can properly figure out how he wants to use my slot to help him win the game. He also thinks that what I post could be interpretted as genuine so he waits to see how the other players react to it.

(btw just as a side note, if a player's approach to another player is different then how they approached their predecessor, the 2 seperate approaches is indicative that the slot has a high chance of being scum).

Taly’s posting isn’t bad, but alisae still looks scummy as hell. “Acting skills? I’m so town I don’t even know what those are!!”

I do think I’ve been a bit lazy with this game today and I want to re-evaluate a bit. I have only played with town noraa once before, but I keep getting worried since she looks so towny here and normally doesn’t as town lol. I would like alisae to go into depth on a read because he has trouble faking depth as scum iirc.

Purple definitely is starting to read genuine

just seems way too unnatural

both heads using the same phrase to SR me is a 99% scum tell. Hydras never work like that even if they agree with each other.

How many hydra’s have you been apart of? Is it a single digit number?
I’ve been in a lot of hydras, like 10 or maybe 20 honestly.

Like if you’re town, I don’t believe how delusional you must be to think you perfectly understand everything there is to understand about hydras when you just started playing on site and you’re just starting to try out hydraing.

Like, I’ve not been apart of a lot of hydras (Even with more then 2 players in them, hell, I’ve even apart of one of the biggest hydras on site that was had 12+ People in them), but I’ve modded a hell of a lot of games, and was the best mod in 2017, partially because I modded really cool Hydra ONLY games.

I feel like I would understand hydras to know more then well enough that you are just wrong here. If player’s view the game similarly, they will tend to use the same words. It rubs off of people. It’s very easy for both heads of a hydra to use the same phrases.

And that’s because this is a really amazing hydra. Its a hydra where both players are participating and thinking about the game and cooperating with each other. Talking to Taly about reads has been a blast.

This isn’t an experience you will get right away because sometimes hydras just won’t work.

You’re not lucky and you just don’t understand hydras well enough to deduce what is a scumtell and what isn’t.

Noraa I really think this slot is town.

　　　　　　　　　

Alisae v Noraa

So he decides to play the townie who is trying to disfuse me and noraa.
However he's quite awful at it and doesn't really try to defuse it.
I think

Infinity wanted me and noraa to fight and did not expect each other to stop fighting.

I think this because during this time, a lot of Infinity's interactions with noraa are -
I think if it was evident that the day was going to be decided between me and noraa, he was going to decide on noraa.

just seems way too unnatural

both heads using the same phrase to SR me is a 99% scum tell. Hydras never work like that even if they agree with each other.

How many hydra’s have you been apart of? Is it a single digit number?
I’ve been in a lot of hydras, like 10 or maybe 20 honestly.

Like if you’re town, I don’t believe how delusional you must be to think you perfectly understand everything there is to understand about hydras when you just started playing on site and you’re just starting to try out hydraing.

Like, I’ve not been apart of a lot of hydras (Even with more then 2 players in them, hell, I’ve even apart of one of the biggest hydras on site that was had 12+ People in them), but I’ve modded a hell of a lot of games, and was the best mod in 2017, partially because I modded really cool Hydra ONLY games.

I feel like I would understand hydras to know more then well enough that you are just wrong here. If player’s view the game similarly, they will tend to use the same words. It rubs off of people. It’s very easy for both heads of a hydra to use the same phrases.

And that’s because this is a really amazing hydra. Its a hydra where both players are participating and thinking about the game and cooperating with each other. Talking to Taly about reads has been a blast.

This isn’t an experience you will get right away because sometimes hydras just won’t work.

You’re not lucky and you just don’t understand hydras well enough to deduce what is a scumtell and what isn’t.

Noraa I really think this slot is town.

fuck man idunno i mean
does scum!noraa randomly say that I could just be a scummy player
I mean, to be fair, its not something they've gone out of their way to entertain. I feel like they've just been dead set on tunneling me still so maybe that was a fluke?

I’m worried that she did it to buddy me

Infinity if it helps, I didn't really even know you SRed DK and if I remember correctly, I SRed DK before you anyways so if anything ur the one pocketing.

Infinity, did she literally respond to you by saying "No U" when she posted everything you quoted in 675?
What the fuck

I can see why she said it since I implied her whole SR on the slot was to buddy me. I didn't mean that, but just when she was pushing on the same reaction I thought was fake alongside me it felt like buddying a bit. Accusing me of potentially buddying her doesn't make much sense though.

Noraa I forget, do you like scum or town better?

Alisae you're not helping honestly and I don't think noraa sorts well under pressure, especially when you're yelling "you're bad therefore you're scum".

I think because of Infinity's read on Noraa, if Infinity is scum, Noraa is town. It is impossible for them to be partners from Infinity's POV and Noraa's POV.

　　　　　　　　　

Alisae v Noraa concludes, Infinity's "Paranoia" begins

This is around the time I start pushing us, Infinity, and Gamma into the council.
Because me and Noraa stop fighting, Infinity fakes paranoia about both of us until he can figure out where he should position his reads.
Becuase of how I played, I think he begins to transition into a scumread on our slot because if he doesn't, he doesn't have anywhere to go.
He has a hard townread on Uncrowned, he wants to townread Flea, Noraa isn't something I'm interested in anymore, he townreads Gamma, Tracy isn't relevant and as scum its better to let a sleeping bear sleep instead of poking it.
This allows him to transition into scumreads on Tracy (if it no longer sleeps), Murder, Us, or OutWorldER.

People probably won't go for Murder. BUT they COULD go for us.
SO he decides to transition into scumreading us. It just makes sense for him to do that.
And his "Paranoia" is how he does that.
All he has to do is just make up a reason to justify it.

I do think I’ve been a bit lazy with this game today and I want to re-evaluate a bit. I have only played with town noraa once before, but I keep getting worried since she looks so towny here and normally doesn’t as town lol. I would like alisae to go into depth on a read because he has trouble faking depth as scum iirc.

I actually think her scumread our slot is fine. I don't think anything me and Taly can pump out right away will invalidate her read on koba.

I think the biggest difference between town!noraa and scum!noraa is I feel like scum!noraa will want to paint our slot scummy using whatever means possible and saying I'm overeacting does that. I think to noraa saying that me overeacting is scummy allows her to maintain an ironclad reason to scumread me. If she was town, why would she continue pressing me for overeacting when I told her that I act like this all of the time? This doesn't make sense to me.

Infinity truth is, I panic a lot when I get scumread as both alignments I can give you links but tbh I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two at a point.
atm I have no idea what's going on.

Like in my rant to taly I literally posted this before I started posting again in thread

Yo I actually have no idea what the fuck is happening in this game anymore tbh
Is it infinity who is pushing me for his 503 because that’s not how scum actually act and for every scum player who acts that way a town player can also act that way
Is it noraa for calling my playstyle scummy when she literally replaced into a town slot I was in where I was doing the exact same things?
Is it flea or Overworld for just being non-contributors and letting town kill itself?
Is it that one dude who wrote 420 for TMIing us town?

Like I honestly just have no idea whats going on atm so please be patient for me. As of writing this I think its noraa because calling me scum for overeacting just seems way too unnatural for it to be town.

Ok I got some paranoia on purple last night because of this. I mentioned that alisae difficulty faking nuance as scum, which is apparently wrong? Then e doesn’t correct me, but immediately pulls out a nuanced read (not impossible from town but still) and flips eir read on me and starts to TR me. It kinda felt like when I said that alisae had trouble faking nuance as scum e thought that I’d be easy to pocket.

HEAL: Purple
HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Gamma

I like gamma’s casual-ness to approaching reads, whereas he tried to look town more in haunted village. I have some paranoia wrt uncrowned and haven’t solidified my outworlder read, so I’m actually most comfortable with gamma as my second strongest TR.

Yeah honestly, I think this is the strongest student counsel we can ask for.
When it comes to doctor saves, the amount of kills I stopped is stupidly high for no reason. I can actually provide links but I'm either getting like super lucky or I just know how to use protection roles well.
My vote here is in spirit but I feel like it would be inappropriate for me to commit to this because I remember Taly telling me he wanted to talk to Gamma.

This also seemed a bit over the top. But idk. The slot has done so much town since replacing in that I don’t wanna scumread them, just paranoid.

I’m paranoid cause everyone’s buddying me and I don’t know how to deal with that, lol

Then e doesn’t correct me, but immediately pulls out a nuanced read (not impossible from town but still) and flips eir read on me and starts to TR me.

I don't see why either alignment corrects you tbh. If I'm scum, its obviously better for me to not correct you, but if I'm town, I feel like it doesn't matter? Also you were asking me to go in depth on a read.

I can explain me flipping my read on you though, I think the way you approached my slot compared to noraa was a lot better in that while you still seemed like you scumread me at the time, it felt as if your mind was fairly open. I think in general the whole way you approached me and noraa was kinda townie and I feel like the real time interactions with you are good enough to not warrant revisiting the early pages of the game.

Hopefully that helps you out?

Yeah that makes sense. It was mostly something I put out there to see if other people call me insane. I do think I was towny in those interactions.

HURT: purple
HEAL: uncrowned

Sorry purple. This is where I’m at rn.

My solve rn is one of {purple, kookie} + one of {outworlder, murder, tracy, flea}. My buddying sensors are blaring atm and I’m not sure who’s doing it. Outworlder is the most likely from the second group since murder pointed out the difference from 2170.

PEdit: we can decide who to doc once we form the council. I just want people who I’m confident are town on the council.

　　　　　　　　　

Infinity justifies his read

At this point Flea started pushing me and now he decides its his turn to do so.
in 1292 he seems interested in how this would be how I played as town.
I give him a bunch of my town games and if he read them, he will find that I act like this when people scumread me.
he goes on to not care about that in general in 1307.
He shades Taly's post in 1401 but does not explain how they're stretches.
In twilight, he supported Uncrowned when Uncrowned just misread "Sleep" as "Sheep"
And even after then, he continues to push it, but his arguement here doesn't make any sense.

In my MD thread where I talk about how the MTG colors can represent strategic approaches to the game, Infinity posts that he aspires to learn how to play blue.
If this is true, then his approach to twilight doesn't make sense.
If he strongly believed that I was setting up an elimination on him, a blue player responds to this by doing nothing.
Inaction is action here, and Infinity's response is what a red player would do, not a blue player. Also, it doesn't exactly make sense either.
His response to this arguement is to say he doesn't want to have the conversation because if he does have this conversation, it may give information to scum on how to doc.
but the issue with this is that this point is actually just complete bullshit.

How does saying nothing and shutting up give information to scum on who you're going to protect?

If Infinity was town and was trying to learn how to play blue, he would shut up, see who dies during the night, and see what I do at the start of the next phase.
Instead he comes out with this shitpush, which is what a red player would do.
In general this whole push just doesn't make sense, and is something I feel like is more likely to come from scum then town.

　　　　　　　　　

The Murder of the Flea

I believe with all of the events that lead up to N1, all Infinity needs to do is kill Flea and he's set the stage.
The kill functions to make me look bad.
I can't argue that I don't kill Flea because to be honest, I can kill Flea.
The Flea kill is enough to set the stage and make people want to distrust me, so with that said, people still scumread me for it, its honestly fine.
But when I flip town, you need to kill Infinity. His approach to me at the start of the day has been within bad faith.
So this is my letter to Infinity.

Your more recent posts look like something that can come from either alignment.
I can tell you are trying to learn how to play blue, but you could also just be scum waiting for me to pounce.

If you can't pull me out of this tunnel, you will die.
Good luck gamer.

[Purple Heart]

Oh yeah. This.

went even further to inquiry about this take to people they scumread and townread.

This is a super weak reason to townread someone, asking questions about people's thoughts is super easy to do as scum

They also literally did not have to take me up on my offer in questioning me or even responding to my posts toward them because this slot replaced in with a reasonably articulated level of suspicion. I don't see how scum progresses like this because I find it doubtful that this setup - one that encourages townhunting - would evaluate a slot on their personal merits rather than construct and emphasize a narrative that asserted a potential mislim.

This also feels like he was trying to find a reason to TR me, I don't know why just engaging with taly's posts get's a TR.

I also think it's exploitative to try and influence his thoughts much further on the reads he is trying to resolve at the moment.

If taly was worried about being exploitative towards me, he wouldn't have let alisae play the way e did yesterday. I don't buy this.

This is slightly a soulread. I don't want to go too much in depth with this right now. I really enjoyed their conversation with

Alisae

and they're one of the players outlining thoughts that aren't as voiced in as much volume as others in this game.

Gamma

is someone I have even more game experience with than

Alisae (if you remove the mindmelding that comes with being a hydra)

and I get the impression that they're solving. I'd like to see them in a hood.

A lot of words to say not much explanation. It's fine to not go in depth on a read but this feels like he added content for content's sake.

But what I would like for people to do is evaluate my posts instead of labeling this slot as lockscum due to 1/2 of the heads. I get the impression that people are dismissing my input in favor of asserting an easier read on

Alisae

but we're both the same alignment. It feels easier and noncommittal to criticize only half of the mindset of this slot even though one head has a higher volume of posts that have garnered valid criticism. I support

Alisae's

self-assessment because I have been familiar with their progression and mentality on this site for years, and while their approach may be soundly assessed as manipulative or agenda-based, I haven't concluded their approach themselves as a concrete alignment. But the previous statement merely clouds other people's judgment on the slot, so I want people to take an active approach to this head rather than speak around this head for a stronger solve and idea on my POV.

I did the same thing pretty much and taly doesn't call me out for it? And this also feels weird in the context of taly not talking to alisae and telling em to calm down.

I get barely anything out of this long post.

Murder talk to me.

I'll let you and Taly talk about this.

[Purple Heart]

If you can't pull me out of this tunnel, you will die.
Good luck gamer.

skimmed a bit. before I go in and read everything with 100% attention, what color are Johnny and I, Ali?

I think its impossible for me to tell you tbh. This is our first game together and its still ongoing.
I don't know how you play. I don't know how you think. I don't know how you see the game. Read the thread and give some thought to it to see which colors you feel like you most identify with.

[Purple Heart]

I could argue that's white.
I think you're new and you're still learning the game.
It took me a long time for me to get to the understanding of the game that I have and I still have a lot to learn about the game.
Only recently have I recognized how I've played and I'm starting to work on refining it.

If you don't know what represents you, its because how you play is natural to you. Its not a strategy you think about, its just how you play the game.
Give it some serious thought and consideration, or you can try out a color and think about how they would want to approach the game.

I can give you some players who I feel like repsent each color perfectly.
I think mastina is definitely white, she might have some black but she's definitely white.
I'm a black/blue player.
ABR is a black/red player though I feel like he might not be as black as he used to? Don't remember tbh its been a min since I played with him.
But if you want Red/Black for sure you do not need to look further then Lady Lambdadelta.
Taly's play here is super green.

he's not active anymore, but gobbledygook is a player who I strongly believe is mono blue.

no one jumps to my mind right away when I think of mono red or black.

[Purple Heart]

maybe I'm pink? a combo of red and white?

you're probably just red/white if thats how you feel.
I can see that.

[Purple Heart]

murder I actually think reasonates to me as mono blue

[Purple Heart]

that sounds really red!
Maybe you're red and your scumplay is black?

[Purple Heart]

btw when it comes to red for like, scumplay.
While I associate bussing as a "red" action due to the fact that bussing by nature makes the players who bussed look good as soon as the bus happens but that can fall off later.
There are player's I've been scum with who thrive off of bussing. While its not a philosophy I subscribe to, it used to be one that I did. I don't anymore because I think bussing is bad, at least when you're doing it for the sake of doing it.

[Purple Heart]

You talked about how some of my actions could make sense from a scum perspective. Cool. You can make a story to justify almost anything. What you barely touched on is how my actions are unlikely to make sense from a town perspective. Just a couple places where you say my behavior doesn't make a ton of sense from town--

Wrt heal tags, I wanted to see if other people would support my uncrowned TR so we could potentially get him onto the council. Sorta like a vanity vote. I didn't really expect it to go anywhere, but I wanted something a bit more official than "I TR uncrowned"

Originally, my plan for the council was for us to not doc me since I was such an obvious target. To discourage purple from killing me, I made it super obvious of my SR there. Maybe it wasn't the right play? I'm not sure. But obviously it's correct to not give scum info about who you're planning on doccing, and the fact that alisae tried to get info from me about that is clearly scum-motivated. I said I aspire to be blue, and I'm certainly not perfect about it--a lot of time I say things because they cross my mind as town, without a direct purpose. The fact that alisae goes from aspiring to be blue -> must mean he never says anything he shouldn't as town is super suspicious. My play also doesn't make sense from a blue scum player's perspective, so this whole thing about the MD post makes no sense.

I feel like alisae is only pushing me here because that's the only way e can get rid of me. E tried to get information from me at the end of d1 about who I was thinking about doccing, but decided on a safe flea kill since I didn't reveal my thought process

too

much. I don't necessarily think scum on the council kills someone on the council, since it is pretty risky. (esp. if the other council member is agreed on as town) However, I definitely think a kill outside the council makes sense if no scum is on the council.

This doesn't help me. It doesn't address my concerns.

Why did you want something a bit more official than "I TR Uncrowned"
How does

saying nothing

give information to scum about who you are doccing? I've asked you this too many times and you've still yet to address my point. I am having a lot of trouble understanding this.
I am saying you aspire to be blue, and I feel like if you aspire to be blue, then you should think about everything you're doing and think about it from the perspective of that color.

[Purple Heart]

btw when it comes to red for like, scumplay.
While I associate bussing as a "red" action due to the fact that bussing by nature makes the players who bussed look good as soon as the bus happens but that can fall off later.
There are player's I've been scum with who thrive off of bussing. While its not a philosophy I subscribe to, it used to be one that I did. I don't anymore because I think bussing is bad, at least when you're doing it for the sake of doing it.

I think I used to be a red scum player in that I don't know how to seem towny as scum besides trying to seem extremely angry(for example my tornadoes with LLD in Death Curse). I've come around to realize that town!me never actually gets that mad and expresses it. I'm more of a "lets bottle it up and make them eat their words with my green flip" kind of person. I've talked to quite some people and they've told me faking anger is definitely not the only way to seem towny. I think black describes me the best besides the fact that I'm not a big personality. I'm easily squashed.

black best describes big personalities though.

[Purple Heart]

black best describes big personalities though.

its the part that said, they either do well or they suffer greatly. that describes me way too well.

ah i see

[Purple Heart]

It doesn't. But I still wanted my SR to be prominent and in the thread just in case. Yeah maybe it was wrong, when I see something scummy I'm really biased towards just saying it. But it's what I did, and you still haven't explained why it's more likely from aspiring blue scum than aspiring blue town who made a mistake. "Aspiring" means I'm not quite there yet.

It really doesn't feel like ali is trying to analyze my motivations, feels like e is just creating a narrative and then saying "but I could be wrong!" at the end of it.

So why are you saying I'm trying to get information out of you about who you want to doc?

[Purple Heart]

It really doesn't feel like ali is trying to analyze my motivations, feels like e is just creating a narrative and then saying "but I could be wrong!" at the end of it.

I sorted you.
I identified what your motivations are.
I just need to explain them and how much sense it makes to me that you're scum.

[Purple Heart]

This is the way I play the game Infinity.
I plug in answers and see if they check out by trying to see if the events in the game can be explain if a person is scum.

I plugged you in and tried to see if the game makes sense for you to be scum.

It makes too much sense to me.

[Purple Heart]

This is the way I play the game Infinity.
I plug in answers and see if they check out by trying to see if the events in the game can be explain if a person is scum.

I plugged you in and tried to see if the game makes sense for you to be scum.

It makes too much sense to me.

do you have time to try to plug gamma in?

I mean I would kinda like to see his D2?

[Purple Heart]

So why are you saying I'm trying to get information out of you about who you want to doc?

If my gameplan was to set a lynch up on you, wouldn't it be better for you to shut up, wait to see what the kill was, and then see what I do at the start of the next phase?

@Purple Cause it could give scum info on who we’re going to doc?

how can you give information about something you haven't decided on yet?

I guess. I just like getting my thoughts out there so they’re in the thread. It’s more of a risk for scum!you to NK me if my SR on you is very visible.

if you're that worried about that insist on being protected.

^ especially this one. If I say "I don't want to be docced tonight", scum can just...shoot me. Yeah there's wine involved but then I have to come up with a totally different plan which is...not great.

For post 1 you could just, not say anything.
Instead you posted "Why does town ever post this?" which comes across to me as an attack on my slot.

for quote 2, I'm asking this because you need to get the other players to agree on you to doc a player. You may have a plan, but that plan may not be agreed upon. Hence why its undecided. I'm not asking you to talk about your plan in this post, but rather I'm trying to question and figure out what exactly it is what you're doing.

for quote 3, I don't see how this is me trying to get information out of you about how you're thinking about using hte doctor.

I feel like if you were town, you would just drop the angle entirely.

[Purple Heart]

Murder do you not feel like gamma is being set up when everyone started the day SRing him? Yeah some of those players are town but it's a lot more likely that some are scum.

You would have to convince me why flea kills purple and not you then

Cause I might get docced and then be semi-confirmed town

Whats the difference between shooting a player who was protected by a doc and not killing

[Purple Heart]

Nothing? Except you don't know who gets docced so no killing is bad?

Correct! The difference is nothing.
If scum do not want to give the council information, they may not want to participate, and thus, they can no kill.

If multiple nights pass where no one dies, what do you think that means Infinity?

[Purple Heart]

I'll explain the doctor in the setup.

The doctor isn't here to save a kill. You cannot ever prove that it stopped a kill UNLESS you not only saved someone, but guessed correctly who to track.
The best use of the doctor is to keep an important player alive. Its not to stop a kill, and even when you are using the doc to try to stop kills, you don't stop kills.
Fun fact, you actually stop more kills by just protecting important players.

I understand this role perfectly and I feel like my rate of succesful night actions where I stopped the kill proves this.

[Purple Heart]

I've recently thought of something that is .... painful af to try to think about cuz it happens to fuck up all my reads.
if the council really had a scum .... why didn't they just have the protect on themselves and then no-kill at night to clear themselves?

That doesn't sound like the end of the world.
Ask Pooky about no kills and they can tell you the samething I'm about to tell you.

When someone no kills, they do it to support a claim when they're desperate.

Like legit just ask him, he literally needed to no kill to try to prove his own doctor claim because he was desperate and he lost this game.

It makes very little sense for Alisae to No-Kill on N4 to create a "fake doctor" and then unclaim doctor - scum no-kill out of desperation to create a claim they need - they do not no-kill and then "unclaim" that makes absolutely no sense.

[Purple Heart]

It means scum are trying to play 7:2 mountainous nightless which is super townsided

They might consider that a trade that benefits them if they don't like the council.

[Purple Heart]

Don't talk about ongoing games though.
Let it be clear I'm not trying to encourage that.

[Purple Heart]

I think the Flea kill is enough that regardless, it will always make me look bad.

[Purple Heart]

I'm having a hard time seeing...almost any of ali's read progressions from town though.

honestly
same

[Purple Heart]

im sorry you randed scum bro

[Purple Heart]

If Infinity is actually scum?
Not Noraa
not you
Everything out seems possible.

[Purple Heart]

everything else*

[Purple Heart]

Okay that answer sucks and thats mostly just because thats off the top of my head who is not partners with infinity.

Everything else seems possible but it would be lazy to not try to sort out what is most likely and what is least likely

Tracy, Infinity doesn't seem that likely considering Tracy is doing her own thing and it seems like Infinity's read on the slot could change at any moment? Like its possible but its probably the least likely.
Uncrowned Infinity also seems possible from Infinity's POV but not as possible from Uncrowned's POV? If I were to explain it, I feel like Uncrowned is working against Infinity a lot of the time, and while it could be distancing, I'm not sure and I don't know what Uncrowned is doing that suits a scum agenda.
Infinity and Gamma seems possible? I don't really know tbh.

I Just know not Noraa, not Murder.

[Purple Heart]

I'm going to take a break for a bit.
It'll probably be a short break but Taly is apparently writing up some stuff

[Purple Heart]

Here is where my head lies at the moment-

Kookie, Uncrowned

Murder

Tracy, Gamma

Infinity

The bottom 3 are slots that I'm still sorting in some form even in spite of a definitive read. My take with the

OWER

townflip was that it implies scum on the wagon but with the speed at which the lim occurred alongside no counterwagon, scum were not in a position to deflect attention on another slot and had the ability to argue against other votes. This analysis revolves around a perceived gamestate, so I'm not confident between what's likelier scum or town via interactions.

Tracy/Gamma

I can agree with the points that

Tracy

has only been active in relation to a few conversations right now, but I'm still not too convinced that the non-guilty was a way to innocent her slot for two reasons:

1)

She wasn't a slot that caught attention and nobody really discussed her hammer throughout Twilight, despite how flippant it seemed.

2)

Very few slots took issue with

Gamma's

council but slots as

Noraa/Uncrowned

weren't convinced of the reads there, if

Gamma/Tracy

were true, what does it serve

Gamma

to try and innocent

Tracy

when the thread's progression is to question counciling him in the first place?

Murder

, what's your take on

Gamma's

progression in the hood? Was there any suspicion amongst you guys in the thread? Because 2/3 of the council entering this dayphase with different reads on each other gives me pause.

With the plan to track

Tracy

and make the assumption that a non-guilty was planned to innocent her via scum-in-council feels like confbias.

My initial take with

Tracy

being a townlean was that she seemed unconcerned with the POVs that the plist had with her and she was transparent with her thought processes via meta and mechanics. The chart she created, while not so clear, did not feel something I'd seen anybody do before? I'm going ISO map

Tracy

and evaluate her more critically.

I'll get to

Infinity

in the incoming post, this read is based a good bit on

Alisae's

case but it's something I want to push in light of their entry here.

~Taly

[Purple Heart]

Oh yeah. This.

went even further to inquiry about this take to people they scumread and townread.

This is a super weak reason to townread someone, asking questions about people's thoughts is super easy to do as scum

This is a nitpick, why are you isolating my reasons behind a read on you instead of looking at the full picture? The context behind the post emphasized why I felt this reason was valid.

They also literally did not have to take me up on my offer in questioning me or even responding to my posts toward them because this slot replaced in with a reasonably articulated level of suspicion. I don't see how scum progresses like this because I find it doubtful that this setup - one that encourages townhunting - would evaluate a slot on their personal merits rather than construct and emphasize a narrative that asserted a potential mislim.

This also feels like he was trying to find a reason to TR me, I don't know why just engaging with taly's posts get's a TR.

Because

Koba

was a suspected slot and regardless of successors, the suspicion of a predecessor tainting how players view that slot happens a lot.

And this is an oversimplification of my POV... Writing it off as something more simple than it is does not feel sincere.

I also think it's exploitative to try and influence his thoughts much further on the reads he is trying to resolve at the moment.

If taly was worried about being exploitative towards me, he wouldn't have let alisae play the way e did yesterday. I don't buy this.

I was MIA around post 1400 which was the majority of Twilight. If you're referring to EoD, I wasn't present to gatekeep

Alisae

... also, that's not my primary interest as a head playing with them. I take all of their thoughts with good faith because they're the most trustworthy source to me in this game.

And I was being truthful by not personally pushing you as you stated paranoia because I wanted to know how you resolved it without my specific input. Yes, my idea was something I mentioned to

Alisae

but it was my way of reading you, not others'.

This is slightly a soulread. I don't want to go too much in depth with this right now. I really enjoyed their conversation with

Alisae

and they're one of the players outlining thoughts that aren't as voiced in as much volume as others in this game.

Gamma

is someone I have even more game experience with than

Alisae (if you remove the mindmelding that comes with being a hydra)

and I get the impression that they're solving. I'd like to see them in a hood.

A lot of words to say not much explanation. It's fine to not go in depth on a read but this feels like he added content for content's sake.

This feels like a rehash of the rest of your post here. I'm not saying anything but I am - in fact - giving reasons for my reads?

I made a post prior to this where I would rationalize my thinking with the

Gamma/Infinity

heals/townreads, I don't know what more you're asking about.

But what I would like for people

to do is evaluate my posts instead of labeling this slot as lockscum due to 1/2 of the heads. I get the impression that people are dismissing my input in favor of asserting an easier read on

Alisae

but we're both the same alignment. It feels easier and noncommittal to criticize only half of the mindset of this slot even though one head has a higher volume of posts that have garnered valid criticism. I support

Alisae's

self-assessment because I have been familiar with their progression and mentality on this site for years, and while their approach may be soundly assessed as manipulative or agenda-based, I haven't concluded their approach themselves as a concrete alignment. But the previous statement merely clouds other people's judgment on the slot, so I want people to take an active approach to this head rather than speak around this head for a stronger solve and idea on my POV.

I did the same thing pretty much and taly doesn't call me out for it? And this also feels weird in the context of taly not talking to alisae and telling em to calm down.

I get barely anything out of this long post.

Murder talk to me.

1)

I thought this was clear... I was directing this to

Flea

but referenced the playerlist in the italicized, here...

2)

Why doesn't this give you any enlightenment on this slot? What is the disconnect with me this game?

3)

I did calm down and talk a bit through

Alisae

in the PT We just have differing schedules for this game often times.

Infinity

, it confuses me that your entire take towards this head specifically is to argue my townreads, including my POV on you.

It feels disingenuous because you never followed up 1401 on why 1366 didn't align with a genuine read, you waited to case it later when you were being pushed.

Specifically because you're arguing my slots council heals that you do not agree with, and not my townreads in general. Your argument is that I'm providing little content under the guise of pocketing players, but you don't outline my progression with

Murder

(someone you agree is town) or

Flea

(someone that is flipped town) as manufactured.

It makes me wonder if you're deflecting attention elsewhere.

~Taly

[Purple Heart]

You are welcome to make an argument for it, but I think tracy should be the flip today. I think there examples of associations between Gamma and tracy (even just now when I pressed about the read there) but I think I should wait until we get confirmation of tracy's alignment.

Did you anticipate the consensus reverse on a read there so quickly?

Infinity v Purple is difficult to read tho I'm p confident purple is town and my partner has only helped push that along.

Infinity is unfortunately probably my next strongest TR right behind Purple :/

What is difficult to read? I can probably make a summary translating

Alisae

, we discussed the case in the PT a good bit.

Also
HEAL: Uncrowned
HEAL: kookiemonster

Just got the consensus on these two heals of

Uncrowned/Kookie

in

Ali

within our PT as I typed this.

~Taly

[Purple Heart]

Reading up

[Purple Heart]

I feel like tracy can be a compromise for both for you today
I do need to read the last like 5 pages in depth though

We (mostly Taly) would like to talk about Tracy a bit more. We might map it out, but we would like to talk about it more before we settle there.

[Purple Heart]

Why?

we wanted the playerlist to post

[Purple Heart]

You know what Murder
I'll throw you a bone.

Noraa, Uncrowned, Murder
Tracy
Gamma, Infinity

are you assuming scum in the council or is something else motivating your SRs?

my reasons to TR Noraa, Uncrowned, and Murder are just stronger then the rest atm

[Purple Heart]

The last game PH played involved MtG flavor to some degree. I think trying to extrapolate MtG colors into a playstyle means Ali is remembering that game and trying to utilize it to some degree. I might be this guy:

but I really feel like Ali is town for trying to make something of that, since if e were scum why would e bother?

nah I can explain why I made that thread.

I made it because one of my favorite league streamers/analysists sorted the league champions into colors and brought up MtG colors. I’m mostly just trying to apply that knowledge into mafia.

[Purple Heart]

Like if its not Infinity its Gamma.
Gamma to me honestly in retrospect, seems like he's coasting and I can't exactly remember for the life of me why I liked his posting.
I think I liked his take on Uncrowned when I said that Uncrowned could be TMI'ing me?

Like I'm not sure about this and I'm going after Infinity.

Infinity just makes the most sense to me.

Why can't it be Murder? Honestly the accusations of "caosting" and "lurking" are EXTREMELY OBNOXIOUSD ANJHDFN INFDURIATINGV and I REAQLLY WQISH Y'ALL WOULD ACTUALLY PUT MORE THOUGHT INTO YOUR READDSSA THO THE POINT WHERE YOU NEED MORWE THASN ONER WROLD TPO WSXDPLAOIUN THEM<M

Why can it be murder? If you feel like its murder I feel like the burden is on you to present why you feel that way?

[Purple Heart]

I feel like Infinity saw Koba as a threat and tried to discredit it starting with 159.
At first is vague and somewhat inquisitive, but in general he does the opposite of giving koba benefit of the doubt.
He doesn't really seem interested in his analysis and just wants to the shade the slot.

tbh
I could see this.
I just do NOT want to give Murder a pass when his play has been "do not much D1 > post a lot in the hood to look solvy > post a PoE D2 that he then walks back and accuses me and tracy for mediocre at best reasons"

Do you feel like murder’s posts in hood was built to pocket both players?
I would like to see you flush this read out a bit more

[Purple Heart]

that sounds really red!
Maybe you're red and your scumplay is black?

Btw Ali could you PM me a link to that thread so I don't have to dig through this one to find it?

its in my case under required reading.

[Purple Heart]

Infinity and Gamma seems possible? I don't really know tbh.

tbh
thinking about the desperation argument for a no-kill. Would this not be the team MOST LIKELY to be desperate for a break in the situation? A good few people had explicitly named us two as their team guess. In that scenario we'd probably want AT LEAST ONE of us to have a solid reason to be townread, no?

tbh I didn’t even know people were saying you and infinity could be the team d1. Even if I feel like the amount if small enough that its not that necessary. You still have some room to breathe I feel like. I can see you making this play about just as much as I can see you not making this play.

[Purple Heart]

HEAL: Gamma

[Purple Heart]

Hehe

[Purple Heart]

HURT: gamma

[Purple Heart]

Noraa I think you should always be on the council so who do you want to share a neighborhood w/

[Purple Heart]

If gamma ends up on council again, I will tear this game apart. legit, gonna be SO DAMN mad.

noraa fuming

[Purple Heart]

Anyone else?

[Purple Heart]

Uncrowned getting UTR is giving me pause and I'm not willing to TR there.

why does it give you pause

[Purple Heart]

Dunno if I'm willing to compromise on murder. Perhaps.

im perfectly fine w/ murder tbh

[Purple Heart]

HURT: uncrowned
HEAL: Purple
HEAL: murder

[Purple Heart]

It’s probably better if I’m not but Noraa really wants me to be on the council and I’m always voting her into the council so might as well give her want she wants?

[Purple Heart]

I feel a lot more safe if she decides the council if that makes sense

[Purple Heart]

Like I kinda don’t really care so I’ll let someone who cares more decide
It works kinda like that

[Purple Heart]

I s2g if I posted another case on scum that everyone is going to just not care about I am going to fucking babyrage

[Purple Heart]

like literally whenever I've recently wrote case, it has always been on scum, and no one gives a fuck

like????????

[Purple Heart]

This game feels so dead wtf?

[Purple Heart]

also I feel like we're not doing much with the time and thats a huge pet peeve of mine.
It's not even that the day just feels done because it feels very not done.

Like I posted a case on Infinity
no one cares

Murder feels like it could be tracy
no one cares

We have a council that we need to create and no one cares about either like

what's going on in this game, it just feels like no one cares about anything and no one wants to take the iniative to do anything.
It feels so weird but maybe I'm just delusional

[Purple Heart]

Also though tracy is super quiet and I want people to agree that if we don't get something from that slot soon we are 100% yeeting it

are you suggesting that them being quiet is intentional or?

[Purple Heart]

And what
are we just murdering tracy based on the logic of murdering OutWorldER?

[Purple Heart]

honestly
seems like the same player to me tbh

[Purple Heart]

like whats the difference?

[Purple Heart]

HEAL: Kookie

[Purple Heart]

are you suggesting that them being quiet is intentional or?

Idk maybe maybe not I feel bad about dating that if someone is legitimately just busy
But they were in thread like 20 minutes before I accused them

i mean the answer to the question is no because given how active they are in the game in general, its impossible to tell how meaningful it is.

[Purple Heart]

tracy should solve
I agree with you

[Purple Heart]

tbh when I read your post I thought that tracy being quiet was being interpretted as being scum indicative. I don't think thats what you meant on re-read.

[Purple Heart]

I think I just mind melded with infinity lmao

have you even read my case on infinity?
You actually didn't talk about it at all????????

[Purple Heart]

or did you post on the page I posted it
I forget honestly

[Purple Heart]

no you didn't okay.

[Purple Heart]

The koba/purple slot's garbage tracy read:

Spoiler:

Nah this is like 3 of 3 I'm in with Taylor, this is bog standard taylor at this point Pretty sure MCs response is standard too ^_^

by nai i meant not alignment indicative; as in, i have seen taylor swift troll in a similar manner as both alignments.

This is towny. When i see people like take a behavior of someone else and label it NAI its like usually town motivated.

tracy - doesnt seem like a strong scumhunty sort at all. was sus at the start from their early mechposting but the way they reacted to the pressure was town.

u know im not understanding much of what ur sayign but im still getting good vibes from the posts themselves

LOL koba is not this naive

tracy flick - Their interactions with people seem really natural and to me it feels as if they're really trying to figure out the motivations of the other players.

As for

Tracy

, I liked 74 because giving meta without much input is the only non-manipulative or biased way to give the opportunity for reading someone in depth.

Note to look into that more.

I don't think she's given much context to her reads or ideas beyond the mechanical discussion, so I want to know your idea here as well

Flea

.

Honestly Tracy came off to me as someone who was just doing their own thing

Put in tracker requests now I guess

Track Tracy

Put in tracker requests now I guess

Track Tracy

Explained by this beauty:

The way I see Tracy, I wanted you to track her.
My mindset on the slot is I can think of a lot of reasons why she's scum.
- She basically got a free pass and no one really talked about the slot or thought about it.
- Hammer can be a scum hammer.

However, there is somethings I can say that make me feel like Tracy could be town, and this is the most important thing ot me.

From Tracy's POV, I don't think she's really aligned with anyone?
Like she really comes across as just doing her own thing to me.

You know what Murder
I'll throw you a bone.

Noraa, Uncrowned, Murder
Tracy
Gamma, Infinity

Somehow a null read now

Tracy/Gamma

I can agree with the points that

Tracy

has only been active in relation to a few conversations right now, but I'm still not too convinced that the non-guilty was a way to innocent her slot for two reasons:

1)

She wasn't a slot that caught attention and nobody really discussed her hammer throughout Twilight, despite how flippant it seemed.

2)

Very few slots took issue with

Gamma's

council but slots as

Noraa/Uncrowned

weren't convinced of the reads there, if

Gamma/Tracy

were true, what does it serve

Gamma

to try and innocent

Tracy

when the thread's progression is to question counciling him in the first place?

With the plan to track

Tracy

and make the assumption that a non-guilty was planned to innocent her via scum-in-council feels like confbias.

My initial take with

Tracy

being a townlean was that she seemed unconcerned with the POVs that the plist had with her and she was transparent with her thought processes via meta and mechanics. The chart she created, while not so clear, did not feel something I'd seen anybody do before? I'm going ISO map

Tracy

and evaluate her more critically.

And what
are we just murdering tracy based on the logic of murdering OutWorldER?

honestly
seems like the same player to me tbh

like whats the difference?

This is all of the slot's posting on tracy. It's not good. Lim this when tracy flips scum.

Okay what the fuck do you actually expect?
On D1 they didn't post much if at all when I repped in.
Like what?

[Purple Heart]

I feel like that's huge misrepresentation of the gamestate.
Why would I have more posts on tracy?
Like, no one really talked about tracy at all during d1.

I could post all of the other player's D1 posting on tracy and also argue "its not good"

[Purple Heart]

The koba/purple slot's garbage tracy read:

This is all of the slot's posting on tracy. It's not good. Lim this when tracy flips scum.

Okay what the fuck do you actually expect?
On D1 they didn't post much if at all when I repped in.
Like what?

I expected you to not continuously TR her for awful reasons? Like having null reads is ok.

Where am I TRing her and for what?

[Purple Heart]

also I could argue no one outside of kookie cares about scum!gamma concept and uhh I opened D2 talking about scum!Tracy so saying no one cared about mcat thinking Tracy is scum is odd 0.0

like there's definitely a lot of interactions being glossed over

You know the weird thing is it seems like a lot of players could go for gamma.

And also honestly I forgot that you opened D2 with scum!tracy but also its hard to care given that was start of the day and its not recent.

[Purple Heart]

like maybe im just delusional

[Purple Heart]

Murder, what's your take on Gamma's progression in the hood? Was there any suspicion amongst you guys in the thread? Because 2/3 of the council entering this dayphase with different reads on each other gives me pause.

Gamma literally posted 3 times to the effect of "sounds good". Infinity and I TRd each other but it was clear there wasn't much to gain from accusing each other in there in my mind. Also my read is in big part due to NKA.

Infinity/Gamma

can you BOTH validate this account?

What is difficult to read? I can probably make a summary translating Alisae, we discussed the case in the PT a good bit.

Infinity looks scummy sometimes but then he looks towny others. difficult to read.

Then look at the interactions around

Infinity

. These are a few things that contributed my read to the slot when

OWER

townflipped;

1)

1109 Paranoia EoD was directed at half of the plist even though he kept with the

OWER

vote. 1313

2)

Infinity

placated the 1v1 between you and

Alisae

when we replaced in 511 578 593, but has recently changed his reads to T/S or even S/S provided that a scumread he compromises on

(Tracy)

is plausible. 1839 1849 1916

(The change from 1583 EoD1 of that slot being potential town to now also pings me.)

3)

Murder

was in his council but

Infinity

, while seeming to work with him a lot here 1718 1768 1778 1810 etc..., is not forming council involving

Murder

. 1906 This is a very weak point and the most recent one, maybe this is confbias, but it's something that vexes me specifically. I don't know what my other head thinks here.

Overall, I get the impression that he's positioning himself to have a valid reason to target the lower players in his readslist after D2.

Infinity

is welcome to argue these points, I just want you

Kookie

, to elaborate on your readslist because both heads have a solve with us as a TvT.

This is a nitpick, why are you isolating my reasons behind a read on you instead of looking at the full picture? The context behind the post emphasized why I felt this reason was valid.

What about the context behind it made that different?

My biggest pull on this slot is that they deflated the Noraa/PH 1v1 at a time where nobody else introduced this idea 573 598 715 767 and went even further to inquiry about this take to people they scumread and townread. 571 675 and 696.

My take on your progression here was around the fact that it was a unique reply to the 1v1 as nobody else had considered it TvT at the time. I agree that it was one of my weaker reasons to townread you, but my issue is that you didn't look at the rest of the sentence when you commented on it.

That makes me think you

searched

for reasons to doubtcast my intentions in 1366.

I was MIA around post 1400 which was the majority of Twilight. If you're referring to EoD, I wasn't present to gatekeep Alisae... also, that's not my primary interest as a head playing with them. I take all of their thoughts with good faith because they're the most trustworthy source to me in this game.

I guess? I just feel like alisae was being super manipulative for all of d1 (especially with the “leaving me to die” shit) and letting alisae do that while saying this felt contradictory.

They actively try to control a game unless they're disengaged in my experience, it doesn't register as AI to me off principle. For game's health, I will work to relieve tension more.

1) I thought this was clear... I was directing this to Flea but referenced the playerlist in the italicized, here...

Sorry about that, I missed the context of this I think.

Tbh I don’t think all of your posts are incredibly scummy, but I think ali is very scummy, and I thought koba was scummy, so that’s good enough for me.

I pointed out 1366 because I thought it was a scummy post, and I didn’t think going into a whole case would be useful? Also not sure what you mean by “the council heals you disagree with”, since I think gamma is town and I know I am.

The bolded feels icky to me because you don't seem to be evaluating my posts unless it suits your read based on

Ali

or on

Koba

, and that's an easy angle to push without having to explain yourself.

I'm not asking for a huge wall debunking or 1v1ing

Alisae

on their case 1781 but you're not addressing it even though you targeted their read progression and this was a big shift to it. 1849

I feel like tracy can be a compromise for both for you today
I do need to read the last like 5 pages in depth though

This slot was in your D2 entry PoE and your

Gamma/Tracy

duo is based around the idea that scum existed within the council.

Why diffuse

Infinity/PH

here?

Can you quote a post or two, not sure I follow

like gamma was fairly inactive and then it felt like he saw an opportunity to me, not sure what you want me to quote

Seriously how the FUCK can y'all call me inactive when I have like 120 posts!??!?!@?!?!?!?!?!!?!? IT KINDA PISSES ME OFFFF

I understand the frustration but this isn't productive. What is your solve and why

Uncrowned

in the council?

I skimmed up. bunch of useless shit imo reading up.
anyways.
I will be fucking mad if gamma is on council again. They've been nowhere near towny and anyone TRing needs to stfu and take a moment to think.

WHY TF WAS HE EVEN ON COUNCIL YESTERDAY?

HE WAS SCUMMY AF AND U SCUMBUCKETS JUST LET HIM BE.

If it happens again and gamma gets last minute put on council, I'm gonna be on caps lock every post tomorrow.

Perhaps I overlooked it or it was before

Kookie

as a hydra appeared but I didn't see this much issue taken to

Gamma

council D1.

Also,

"scumbuckets"

isn't helping me see your reads

Noraa

, could you elabroate?

I get the impression that

Infinity/Murder/You

are having difficulty navigating the gamestate but you've each presented some form of a solve.

(Reference to 1865 1978)

Where is the disconnect?

~Taly

p-edit

ooo, people are finally posting

yall im going to so ISO maps on

Tracy

alongside

Murder/Gamma

and I had one on

Flea

I'll post soon.

furthermore, im going to be working on ISO groups, one with

Murder/Uncrowned/Noraa

and

Tracy/Infinity/Gamma

to hone in on reads and make sure im not missing anything

i like

ali's

council votes though

and this pedit serves as encouragement to focus on the council before we evaluate a lim. that will make a tangible PoE for us to discuss lims.

2016, I don't follow your take, you're mainly just requoting mine and

Ali's

posts.

[Purple Heart]

I could post all of the other player's D1 posting on tracy and also argue "its not good"

No one else is making excuses to TR her/not lim her. And it was koba too which is the weirdest part.

PEdit: I saw that and will respond tomorrow probably

Why would I want to kill her over you

[Purple Heart]

Why would I EVER
kill Tracy when you are voting her and you seem okay with the kill

[Purple Heart]

Like she's null she needs to post more
but you're fucking scum and you need to die.

[Purple Heart]

I could gamble on tracy
OR
I could just kill you and get a scum flip

that sounds better to me

[Purple Heart]

PEdit: I saw that and will respond tomorrow probably

then

, you

r punish

ment fo

r tardin

ess is kit

ty gifs!!!

~taly

[Purple Heart]

PEdit: I saw that and will respond tomorrow probably

then

, you

r punish

ment fo

r tardin

ess is kit

ty gifs!!!

~taly

kill me

[Purple Heart]

so I read the case but im on mobile so my response won't be as detailed as I like

the main flaw I see with it is what benefit is scum!infinity ever gonna get out of trying to break up your conflict with Kookie? it doesn't add up to me. he was already mostly TR and could've easily just coasted into council and not bothered at all with taking a stance on you two. in fact taking a stance on you two limited his options in where to push later on, which i dont think is something scum would care/want to do.

then the part of the case about bad read trajectory is eh considering half this lobby has had terrible trajectories anyway and I think ones from gamma/Tracy look far worse than anything infinity has done.

also what do you mean by "blue" "red" "black" player etc. am I missing something there?

Read the required reading to get the colors.

As for this, the best answer I can give you is towncred and to set himself into position to try to drive the agenda, control the narrative. It's not about coasting into council. Also I don't think him taking a stance on us limits his options, I think throughout the whole game he had opposite reads on me and noraa. As long as he kept up having these opposite reads, he can kinda just do whatever he wants.
Let me link you a game where I was scum, defused a TvT that I didn't need to defuse, and asked you why you think I did that and why you think it was a good play? Another answer to "why does scum defuse a TvT" can be that they just feel like it.

This is the game
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73827
In this fight Sakura and Beeboy go at each others throats and I try to defuse it. Why do you think I wanted to defuse it?

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

[Purple Heart]

btw for teh record I won that game.
also Uncrowned, can you vote for a council?

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

that guy is fucking dead holy shit

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

that guy is fucking dead holy shit

i told you, you want results

im your hydra partner

or did i actually tell you i forgot

~taly

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

that guy is fucking dead holy shit

i told you, you want results

im your hydra partner

or did i actually tell you i forgot

~taly

any truers?

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

that guy is fucking dead holy shit

i told you, you want results

im your hydra partner

or did i actually tell you i forgot

~taly

any truers?

nani
what do truers mean

I obviously understand the benefit of scum breaking up TvT. I try to look at things from a probability perspective though. Sure, he CAN break it up for towncred, but WOULD he be more likely to do it or not? I'm opting for not. I just don't think it's worth the trouble.

I just really don't get how you can be screaming for scum infinity right now and not have anything against Tracy? I'll probably need to reread your case on him a few times but I do not see the world where infinity is looking more scum than Tracy right now

1853 and 2032 are really good posts to follow up with this head on

k, im logging off for now, yall should start hitting me with questions, i feel like ive been initiating almost all of my convos.

~taly

[Purple Heart]

I obviously understand the benefit of scum breaking up TvT. I try to look at things from a probability perspective though. Sure, he CAN break it up for towncred, but WOULD he be more likely to do it or not? I'm opting for not. I just don't think it's worth the trouble.

I just really don't get how you can be screaming for scum infinity right now and not have anything against Tracy? I'll probably need to reread your case on him a few times but I do not see the world where infinity is looking more scum than Tracy right now

Because I hate voting elim bait > actual scumreads. It leaves a really painful distaste in my gut and I feel like in general if people are just agreeing on elim bait there's more going on in the game.

I think Tracy could still be scum and I want to see her solve, but I don't think she's aligned with anyone and her own play seems like she's just doing her own thing. What stands out to me is my interactions with her on D1 where I tried to get her to push a council and she was just completely disinterested in what I was doing. That's usually town to me but like the hammer is bad and no one really talked about her so she goes into the null pool.

[Purple Heart]

so you hate voting elim bait. Cool.

That's not what I said.
I hate voting elim bait over actual scumreads.

If elim bait is my scumread then I don't care about it as much.

[Purple Heart]

I voted OutWorldER because I townread everyone else and I had no where else to go.

[Purple Heart]

the fuck you expect me to do?

[Purple Heart]

Where am I TRing her and for what?

>Infinity proceeds to ignore me and says he'll respond to Taly tomorrow, but continues to shade me after ignoring my question

[Purple Heart]

Im not sure what you expect from me when it came to 483 and the post where I said she was just doing her own thing was after I interacted with her and she wanted to put murdercat in the council and vote on it like how you would vote in a resistance game

That's it.
Everything else on there isn't really a townread and i feel like if ur saying it is a townread ur misrepping me

[Purple Heart]

why would I be okay voting the person you want to kill

[Purple Heart]

Also saying I don't want to elim her isn't entirely true.
While its not my preference, if her content sucks, I'm voting her.

[Purple Heart]

If you just said that I’d be ok with it but it feels like you were making up bad reasons.

bro im saying it right nwo

[Purple Heart]

everythign I said about the slot is what I feel bro

[Purple Heart]

I might have even said that earlier tbh hold on

[Purple Heart]

ok i don't remember where I said it
but I feel like I did
/shrug

[Purple Heart]

I think because tracy is the partner and they wanted the inno on tracy.

it's not an inno though?

a suspicious hammer.

- Hammer can be a scum hammer.

why?

what do you mean why what??????

[Purple Heart]

what do you mean why what??????

like why would it be likely to be a scum hammer? or suspicious, as murdercat put it.

why wouldn't it?

[Purple Heart]

look u gonna post content or whaaaaat

[Purple Heart]

like i don't see why it'd be scummy.

holy shit
you never see scum hammer like how you did?

[Purple Heart]

we vote out tracy or infinity before we vote you out tbh so ur safe

[Purple Heart]

unless you did something like
bad
like
really fucking bad

[Purple Heart]

AGH ugh. this thread blew up. y'all needa calm ur butts.

84 posts per day btw

[Purple Heart]

like everyone's reasons for TRing gamma in particular were just... no offense kinda trash imo? He was playing such a null game D1 which lead to everyone just handing him TRs for... reasons? "the vibe"? idk.

there's definitely been a metric fucktonne of bad trajectory reads this game

does that make

gamma

scum or support the case there?

why is it purple if it isn't me?

That's Infinity's pov

Is it really?

+1 i am a fan of this question

Infinity/Gamma can you BOTH validate this account?

Yeah that’s about right

now i wanna see

Infinity/Gamma

validate your 2061 haha

Perhaps I overlooked it or it was before Kookie as a hydra appeared but I didn't see this much issue taken to Gamma council D1.

Yeah, I remember them specific not wanting me or Infinity on it. But now in D2 they’re targeting me specifically over Infinity. I think when combined with the weak-willed opposition points to kookie/Infinity as the team.

im not vibing with

kookie

-scum atm but i dont quite understand the issue behind the D1 council when it was voted by 5 people for each person...

I mean you clearly don’t want to elim her now. And koba and

taly definitely expressed townreads on her in a couple spots.

not entirely true

i had a townlean on them D1 and that has faded on

tracy

, namely because i dont trust the setup of you outling a scumteam on

tracy/i

as well as

murder

bringing up a bunch of lose ideas of associatives but still push the notion that scum was on council AND not want to sort

you/us

immediately right now.

the disposition pings me.

i dont trust your reason for the wagon because i think thats a method of you deflecting us.

Assumption: Two people who never voted each other for council probably aren't the scum team. Dumb assumption but I want to see where the associations are.

hmm still think two people who both voted eachother are less likely to be mafia together. with our powers combined...

then do you have a method of resolving this game based off of council or lim votes?

Yeah ok yeah ok I might just be at a place with work/sleep right now where catching up to this isn't feasible so time for fast and loose Johnny. No more mister reading guy.

It goes purple>Gamma>mcat>tracy>gamma>uncrown>infinity and if you disagree I would like a reason

johnnnyyyyy

, is this list going from

town

>

scum

or

scum

>

town

?

~taly

[Purple Heart]

oo

oo

oo

lo

ve

ly

i broke my tonal barrier finally

i am invested in this game

To be your blonde girl
Webby webby girl
And with me this love be

forever

your
A cha cha lovely girl
Virtual hootchie girl
Life will be so

crazy

play the game, I'm ready
Be your blonde girl
Double ww girl

Cybernetic love

in a

cyber world

To feel it

everywhere

In the air
Chiki chiki

hot blonde girl

!!!

~taly

p-edit

so it is like

purple>infinity>mcat>tracy>gamma>uncrowned

or?

[Purple Heart]

hey

uncrowned

, really wanna hear this.

like everyone's reasons for TRing gamma in particular were just... no offense kinda trash imo? He was playing such a null game D1 which lead to everyone just handing him TRs for... reasons? "the vibe"? idk.

there's definitely been a metric fucktonne of bad trajectory reads this game

does that make

gamma

scum or support the case there?

Infinity/Gamma can you BOTH validate this account?

Yeah that’s about right

now i wanna see

Infinity/Murder

validate your 2061 haha

i butchered this whoopsies,

murder

yooohhoooo

johnny

, wanna talk about those reads?

where are you at with the cases in this game?

purple/infinity/tracy/gamma

have been shat on a lot here

at least 2 town must exist in the above group

~taly

[Purple Heart]

ya has

noraa

gotten to my recent walls yet?

also, just got done ona

"first glance, no note-taking"

group ISO with

Gamma/Murder/Infinity

(because I figured that grouping all council together makes most sense to dispel or validate my perception of the gamestate)

and im really not thinking

gamma

is ever S/S with

murder

or

infinity

-

gamma/infinity

inviable based on D1 interactions mainly while

gamma/murder

feel inviable based on D2 interactions, and im a bit

?

with the scumcase there?
D1

murder

looking better than D2 but im still having a townlean there

infinity

read hasnt changed much but the notetaking is to avoid confbias so ill shelve further thoughts on this until i post the group ISO and id really like them to try to engage with my individual points

T/T/S >>>> T/S/S >?= T/T/T

in my understanding of D1 council.
this implies that scum didnt successfully townbloc all the way and im a bit more weary of

tracy's

hammer, so the

Tracy/Uncrowned/Kookie

ISO group has intensified in priority.

biggest question: 1 or 2 scum on OWER's wagon?

leaning 1

>

2 with a

T/T/S

council but this isnt backed by post analysis or commentary yet so take it with a grain of salt.

this post is pretty much a marker for where im at prior to spewing the ISO analysis.

~taly

[Purple Heart]

you know I think it might actually be impossible for us to agree on a council :/

[Purple Heart]

not sure tbh

[Purple Heart]

Kookie I feel like gets voted into council regardless but Gamma scumreads Kookie so he won't vote for any Kookie councils me thinks.
Murder I feel l feel like most players will agree on to be in the council except maybe Gamma.
Uncrowned Kookie isn't going to support. I'm not sure I want to either because they can be aligned with Infinity.
Infinity I don't see getting enough support and I have no reason to support that.
ur trolling if you say Tracy and Gamma is going to get support.
purple I feel like Infinity, Uncrowned, and Tracy won't agree on considering all 3 of those players scumread me.

What council gets formed?

[Purple Heart]

See, I'm okay with that.
I'm not sure everyone else is.

[Purple Heart]

okay but see
who is the last person to agree on this?

[Purple Heart]

hopefully murder agrees on a council with me him and kookie?
Gamma you would vote for that right

[Purple Heart]

on the basis that we kill infinity ofc

[Purple Heart]

Alright Gamma go ahead and vote for that.
I think if it gets hammered w/o agreeing on killing infinity that could be information regardless of what happens.

[Purple Heart]

me and kookie are already voting it should it should be in hammer range.

[Purple Heart]

I'm only ok with purple on the council if we elim tracy today.

luckily for us, we don't need your vote

[Purple Heart]

hopefully it won't come down to needing your vote anyways

[Purple Heart]

btw gamma i think ur healing uncrowned

[Purple Heart]

?

hopefully murder agrees to the Purple Murder Kookie Council

[Purple Heart]

if not we might just not have a council

[Purple Heart]

hopefully

[Purple Heart]

I would prefer to start working on that compromise now though

[Purple Heart]

tho ima just say infinity
nothing is stopping you from voting for a purple - kookie - murder council and then trying to push tracy

[Purple Heart]

in fact if you actually did that, and then gamma hammered it by hurting uncrowned and then healing us,
we could just cut to the chase and get straight to it and avoid the problem all together.
Your choice though

[Purple Heart]

how about this
if you get the Tracy wagon to L-1.
I'll claim intent on it.
If it is impossible for me to get a wagon through on you, then I'll just hammer tracy

[Purple Heart]

Ye Infinity wagon goes brrrrr

[Purple Heart]

Why am I scum?

because ur a delinquent and im an honour student

[Purple Heart]

Why am I scum?

because ur a delinquent and im an honour student

But you've been cheating on your tests...

and I saw you graffting and sabotaging the bathrooms

[Purple Heart]

idunno bro, those sound like delinquent activities to me.
Especially the last part, how could you actually unironically do that? That's fucked up.

[Purple Heart]

A teacher wore sunglasses to class because his students were so bright.

bruh

[Purple Heart]

btw gamma i think ur healing uncrowned

I thought uncrowned/kookie/MCat was the plan

we're going with me kookie murder since kookie wants me in council

[Purple Heart]

PEdit: Only the asshole PE teacher uses that bathroom anyway.

in my high school school the teachers had seperate bathrooms from the students

[Purple Heart]

it was super clean and I even used one of them once after i graduated from the place and revisited the school for a college assignment for a class I dropped.

the students never went in there to my knowledge

[Purple Heart]

the kids were good for the most part and we didn't actually have any real delinquents.
If anything the graftti was a big problem and maybe the once in a blue moon flooding

[Purple Heart]

our school was also divided.
It was both a middle and high school
Middle schoolers had to take PE but high schoolers didn't and thats mostly because each student was assigned to a seperate school for each art form like visual, digital, literary, music, dance, etc.

The way our school day would work is we would have 5 periods of classes that were 50mins each, have a break somewhere inbetween there and then after the 5 periods lunch. Then after lunch we had 3-4 periods of said art form

[Purple Heart]

charter schools can in fact be cool if they get funding

[Purple Heart]

I actually think in general it was pretty good school except for its math department.
Its math department was terrible oh my god.

[Purple Heart]

let me tell you a story.
in Sophmore year, I was taking alegbra 2 and it would be my last year of math unless I wanted to take pre-calc and the other classes. I took Alegbra 1 in middle school so I was ahead.
I don't think I learned a single bit of math from that class.
We never had the teacher we were supposed to have.
We had a sub
then a sub for him that kinda just became our main teacher for a semester.
and sometimes we would have subs for him
but then we would have a sub for our main teacher and sometimes when this person was out, we had a sub for them
then this person got fired, so we had a sub for teh rest of the year and for like a day or 2 we had a sub for that guy

it was wild

[Purple Heart]

and the adminstration of the school told the students "btw don't worry about this, if you decide to take pre-calc we're taking this year into consideration and adjusting the circulum"
i'm like "nope, I would rather just go to school at 9AM then 8am and not take math"

[Purple Heart]

holy shit being able to go to school at 9am compared to 8am was so actually so amazing.
in sophmore year I was basically falling asleep in literally every class that wasn't english (which was probably my favorite class of all time and the fact I knew I got to have the teacher again the next year was amazing." I almost failed french 2 but I cheated on the test, and I almost failed biology but I somehow got my act together up and passed.
It also didn't help that I actually missed a month of school due to catch something that was really nasty. I forgot what I caught exactly but it was nasty.

But basically I would go to French
sleep during that class in the back and I was basically allowed to do that for free.
go to math, sleep in that class for free cause nothing happened in that class KEKW
go to social science, sleep in that class. this class was also a trainwreck and me my friends made jokes about how the teacher always had the flu and never got vaccinated. I slept in her class basically all of the time and she never knew. Though she was nice because occasionally she gave us treats.
biology was tough because the teacher would actively wake me up, within reason as well because I wasn't doing well in the class, but I could not stay awake for it. It was impossible for me to.
English I somehow always managed to stay awake for except for a few times, but the teacher was amazing.

and then I slept through everything else.

[Purple Heart]

sophmore year me was a savage tho.
I think I made said social science teacher quit because at the end of the year I roasted her.

The class was lit tho for 2-4 periods I basically got to hang out with my friends throughout the whole year.

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like in social science me and my friends basically got to hang out for 50 mins

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what

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why should I

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ok but that decreases the chance of getting a council and this one is 1 vote away from being hammered

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why would kookie support that council

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No fucking way y'all are limming me and putting purple on the council.

ok just push tracy
its not like im saying im not going to join that wagon ever

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They wouldn't. But you should.

well im following kookie around today when it comes to the council vote.
I'll do what they want because I think I always vote them into council

[Purple Heart]

or you could just
let scum bus

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like infinity is just scum here and if you think he's scum with gamma
let gamma bus

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I think this game is over if wagons build and everything goes according to how I think things play out.
I just want things to play out though

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I am almost certain now that infinity and tracy aren't aligned with each other.

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Wait why do you think purple is scum? For science

-RM

They tried to pocket me d1, and they flipped out when I didn’t want them on the council. Now are SRing me for no discernible reason. Their read progressions are super opportunistic. At the end of d1, they were trying to direct the track and get info about where were would doc.

everything you've posted in regards to my slot has just been in bad faith.
Murder was asking people for track suggestions. Are you saying I wasn't supposed to suggest who shoudl be tracked there? What's teh harm in that when someone asked for it.
We've had this discussion about getting info about how to doc. You're full of shit, you know you're full of shit, and the fact you are still trying to argue this really confuses me because I've argued with you that the point makes no sense but you keep argueing it.

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so uhh gamma is looking good right now

I'm guessing the move is purple/Tracy now? considering how they tried to deflect off Tracy while still also being like "ehhhh but if you guys wanna do it i guess I can"

I'm encouraging counterwagons.
How is that scummy?

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No fucking way y'all are limming me and putting purple on the council.

ok just push tracy
its not like im saying im not going to join that wagon ever

like apparently infinity is this major SR you have and you're talking about how you'll blindly follow Kookie because you trust em (in reality youre just scum buddying to them i assume) so why would you join infinity on a tracy wagon?

a Tracy red flip wins the game here right away bc purple is the obvious partner

youre playing both sides while trying to suck up to Kookie

You're just flat misrepping me, or this is some huge misunderstanding.

I always vote Kookie into council and you do too and don't try to say you don't. I'm worried we won't be able to form a council so thats why I'm trying to build one with Kookie.
I'm saying that I'm giving my vote to them when it comes to the council. Why would I not do this? Like, why would I be against what Kookie wants when it comes to the council?

I think building counterwagons is good and it generates information. I'm encouraging the counterwagon on Tracy while saying if we can't compromise I'm happy to declare intent and hammer it if it gets to L-1 and I can't get what I want. How is this scummy? It creates more information and generally, I really like the gamestate being the way it is. I don't think Infinity and Tracy are aligned together and I think we're wagoning scum. One of these players is scum and I feel like this helps generate who could potentially be with who

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like if youre so convinced of scum infinity and youre so trusting in kookie there's no way you fencesit so much and even consider joining infinity on the tracy wagon. it just doesn't add up at all. youre banking on pocketing kookie and getting onto the council.

I'm trying to get information and I'm getting a lot of it.

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My biggest worry right now is about making sure we have a council and thats what everything about me being okay with what Kookie wants comes from. It's not about who is scum at all.

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Like I seriously think you're misreading the situation here or you're misrepping me.
Can you read it over again?

What's the idea that I'm blindly following Kookie comes from. Quote it and I can tell you what's going on because the arguement you're saying here I feel like is just straight wrong cuz I think you think I'm blindly following kookie when it comes to reads but we were talking about the council.

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I'm not talking about the council?

Kookie wants Infinity out. Kookie is your strongest TR. You say you will follow Kookie. Kookie is convinced Infinity is Scum and that other scum is in Gamma and myself.

...in what world would you see this information and then still want a Tracy lelim? you've been hanging off kookie for how long now but you're still down to elim outside of Kookies established pool?

what exactly is your solve right now?

Tracy/Gamma
Infinity/Uncrowned

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bro I don't feel like I'm being unreasonable here considering you misread sleep as sheep

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They wouldn't. But you should.

well im following kookie around today when it comes to the council vote.
I'll do what they want because I think I always vote them into council

ok so yeah I misread this but... does it matter? the concept still remains

it makes no sense to me that you're THIS invested into kookie being on the council and being the chooser of the council. you trust them that much with arguably the more important job in this game but when it comes to the elim you won't follow there lead? like what?

why doesn't it make sense?
I always vote them into council.

Also don't we both want the samething? What do you mean by follow their lead here?

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also Uncrowned, I'm THIS invested into kookie being in the council because I always vote them and I don't see a scenario where I don't vote them into council.
I'm more invested about this becuase its more important. We can't decide on a kill before we decide on the council so we need to get it done.

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Let's draw it out for you.
I always vote Kookie into council.
I could vote you into council, but kookie would not support this.
I could vote gamma into council, but kookie would not support this
I could vote tracy into council, but kookie should definitely not support this
I could vote Infinity into council, but thats contradictory to what I'm trying to accomplish
Who are the only players that are left?

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so you don't want the same thing... but you'll gladly accept whatever council they want??? or am I wrong?

oh boy this already feels like a loss

Me/MCAT and someone else has to be the council or this game is done i think

mcat had a bad day start but theyre one of the few people who dont seem to be playing with much of an agenda here I think

What does noraa want and what do I supposedly want? I was under the impression we both wanted to kill Infinity.

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I'm worried purple is trying to set up a mislim on me if tracy flips green. Don't know who their partner would be in that case though.

BRO
WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT ME TO DO?
I'M SCUM IF I DON'T VOTE TRACY
I'M SCUM IF I AGREE TO COMPROMISE ON TRACY

THE FUCK DO YOU WANT FROM ME? IF YOU'RE TOWN IT MAKES NO SENSE.

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and all you've been doing is just pushing me in bad faith
that's legit all you've done this game.

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not if we kill scum today

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if we kill scum today, as long as there is a kill, the track is a cop

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or Tracy/Gamma

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I will say that purple/Tracy is more likely on the premise that i think purple is trying to buddy kookie hard atm. I think this because purple start of day was rather strong on towncrowned but i think they know kookie would be easier to point in the wrong direction. as soon as kookie expressed discontent with my slot Is when purple started throwing me into solves. trash trajectory

I've had you as a possible partner with infinity for awhile now. Taking into consideration D1, it didn't line up for you to be scum with infinity but D2 all of your actions seemed to be working with Infinity. I think you realized that Infinity was actually going to go down if you didn't work with him, and during D1 you didn't actually want infinity to go down but to distance yourself from him.

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to me it seems like you're working in tandum with Infinity to try to push tracy and discredit me for being against it.
The fact you're trying to pivot from tracy to me speaks volumes because you know tracy is actually town.

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This is funny, I'm legit TRing Koba more off of how they're being shaded for bad reasons then how they're actually playing.

Also this screams TMI to me

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I was going after Infinity not you.
You felt threatenned so you decided to act.
It happens.