Silent Star 3: Royalty

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i was on gypyx and i would've stayed on gypyx if i didnt wake up randomly

i defend hopkirk multiple times prior to that

i spent all of d1 pushing for a dunnstral elim

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think it was pretty obv at end of first part of d1 that i heavily preferred launching dunnstral to launching TGP

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when i flipped it was 4-4 if i remember correctly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you can also read my back and forth with dunnstral on the 2nd part of d2

im geniunely angry at him and want him dead ~ i dont really do scum theater like that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hello skitter!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dunn really was super scummy wasn't he?

i wasn't just being crazy right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am hurt

u can launch me now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and i disagree about being in the top 4 since i was actively trying to launch dunn on both days and nobody listened to me but whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there were 6 scum

4 of them treestumped so there are 2 left

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the hammer on hopkirk was very shady

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

i dunno

i feel doubts

I like TRQ for town because she feels like she's trying

I like Gloria for town because her paranoia and fears feel real

Infinity town-reading everyone in a game with 6 scum is just too funny if he's actually scum

that leaves me at Ydrasse-Isis-Flea for possible scum.

Ydra feels like she hasn't tried very much, her excitement for day start feels kind of faked? so do her semi-townslippy posts. I could be wrong about this.

Isis:

Isis/Skitter didn't feel like scum-theater, her push on Dunnstral at the end of first part of D1 doesnt feel partnery? I don't like how absence second part of d2 but that could just be because of RL reasons/burnout.

I really can't state how much I've been waiting to dance with her since that time she killed me so brutally in Epilogue. I was beyond excited because this time I actually have a green role PM. I want her to be green too so badly.

Flea:

The hammer is just ick.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i think its fairly obvious im town because I never try to get dunn elimmed if I'm actually scum with him.

but if you guys want to elim me after not listening to me on dunn then I'm just done with this game and I'll go apologize for being an idiot to Hop in the dead thread.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky we both know this right here is fake coming from you given my history for dance games so far

well if you're town you should obvtown

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i pushed dunn over TGP at end of day d1 and i spent most of d2 complaining that nobody was listening to me on dunn while verbally sparring with him but like whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

helloooo everybodyyyy

I am annoyed i don't get to dance. very much so. but those royals had it coming

tweetie i will dance with you after they execute me for being right. <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i want to launch flea

what do you think of flea Ydrasse?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u thinking

Gypyx (6): Gloria Cleary (2210), Ydrasse (2322), Hopkirk (2386), PookyTheMagicalBear (2392), team rocket queen (2408), Infinity 324 (2475)

this is an all town wagon?

cuz the most we could get was 6 yesterday

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky i am going to be honest you saying my excitement for a dance portion of a game potentially being fake felt like i was being dunked into a pool of water and that pool of water was actually the world telling me you're scum for saying something like that about me

i think its pretty obvious im not scum here since i wanted dunn dead both launches and nobody listened to me but w/e

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its not my fault nobody listens to me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz i've never bussed a scum teammate in 20 years of playing mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not on d1 anyway

esp not in a game where it results in an instant loss

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and scum-theater with hectic for trust fall would be because it'd be super weird if we didn't interact given our meta history together.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its not my fault nobody listened to me on him being scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

heres the thing

you can read my interaction with dunn

and decide for yourself is that Pooky theatering for town cred or Pooky who's actually annoyed and wants to kill dunn but nobody is listening to Pooky.

do the reading.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i switched and made it 4-4

u think i do that to a scumbuddy? like seriously no

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

man i love people talking abt my scumgame

i would've expected you to not take the easy way out skitts :/

disappointed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rescind dance proposal

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gloria I've wanted to dance with Isis since the first second I've stepped into this game.

She has refused. That part of me is dead.

You don't think I deserve to live just yeet me.

I think it's fairly obvious I'm town from my interactions with Dunnstral and Hopkirk in D2. If you are still paranoiaing on me then just get rid of me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like just read my end of D2 interactions with dunn and hop

that doesnt come from scum!me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i've already given who i think the scum team is..

i dont really care anymore who dances

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im probly wrong on the scum team

and nobody would listen to me even if i was right

im sorry its hard to care right now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz i was right about dunn and literally nobody thought I was right and i know i messed up at the end of the day on gyp cuz i woke up like 15 minutes early and i was sleep deprived and i probly deserve to die for it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its kind of a shit feeling to know you were right about this dude you scumread the whole time but like literally 0 people listened to you on and then the next day u find out hey if they listened to you you couldve just won the game right there but nah

and now they wanna elim you next cuz like you messed up on something else so its enh whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like jessie is super brilliant

if she's scum she probly easily wins this game so im just going to believe she will win as town and sheep her for the rest of the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gloria/Infinity/Jessie/Isis dance

Ydrasse-Flea-Me in POE

Launch me today

Leave Ydrasse/Flea for the NK

if the mafia NK a mafia , you know the other one is also mafia.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the key here is if you get 4 town players dancing, you want to launch the townie out of the three players left out - because when you have MMT and you launch a T, mafia are forced to kill an M and you get the other M guranteed on the next day when mafia suicide.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

theres no point for me to dance with you if everyone thinks im red

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the best case scenario for town today is to dance 4 town leaving MMT out and then execing the T

ill volunteer to be that T that gets execed because nobody trusts me despite me being glaringly obvious town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

u need to unvote


we need the dance pairs set up before we go to night

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

flea is obvscum imo. i agree on that with u

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we do not dance before night we dont get dance protection. pls do not vote before night

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean pls do not vote before dancing. thanks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think infinity-jesse-gloria towncore is probly enough to win the game. we will have 3 executes and a forced NK to get rid of Pooky-flea-isis-ydrasse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

jessie as long as the f3 internal towncore is puretown we will win

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you think there is 0 chance any of inf-jessie-gloria is scum, we can force win no matter which of ydra/isis/flea/pooky are scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because can he really risk putting gyp at E-1 ?

if any town player hammers thats game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its ok i understand what you mean

but fleas end of d2 was just so scummy. i dont even understand why they pick flea to final scum actually.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I always want to dance with you Isis.

and the f3 has to be a consensus f3 that every1 agrees is TR. just because I think you are town doesn't mean anyone else will think you are town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think its weird she asks me what dance pairs i want in 2834

i respond like right away in 28352836

then she doesnt have any response and just ghosts the thread until you post you want her to dance and she's suddenly back here right away

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, I don’t think the votes in 2208 and 2209 make much sense if the team is flea/ydrasse, what do you think? See 2373 for a relevant VC

ydra was never in any danger from that and scum know they have to setup up distancing no?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my heart hurts from these pooky posts

it's harder for me than it is for you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Scum didn’t know they would be treestumped, also having the top 3 wagons on scum is a huge risk.

I think its a reasonable assumption.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is it because you’re scum without me this time?

you know I'm not scum darling

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why is that? numbers game?

theres 6 scum in a 13 player game

they know they probably don't win after 2 mis-elims - because that never passes review and is incredibly unbalanced.

they know the town is all VTs so no killing power.

the logical conclusion from that is there will be some scum treestumping to bring the game back into a winnable game-state - hence they need to set up associatives for after the "reveal"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think it is relevant to this that flea stressed that fae did not understand why thegoldenparadox thought there could be mechanical guilties? or that isis said town treestumps seemed likely/possible again but non-town treestumps did not?

I don't remember either of these statements and I would need to see them in context to give an actual response to this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky my darling i am scumreading you as we speak

that's fine i'm ok being dead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I dont think isis was talking about scum treestumps - her belief of mech guilties seems more tied to cop investigations which she thinks hectic would not include.

I'm not sure right now what I think of flea's comments to TGP, it feels like Flea wants to maintain this excuse almost for launching TGP even after TGP has already been flipped?

What do you think?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it is tough for me to separate the two in this instance because she was talking about the town treestumps as the mechanical innocents from the previous game.

yes but the Hectic quote is about cop guilties so that's what I assume she is talking about.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if isis were a conspirator, i believe she would have also been thinking about scum-treestumps at the time she said that, due to there being six conspirators, all of which needed to survive the first two eliminations, which would otherwise grant them a majority.

I don't think she's scum because I wouldn't put Isis into F2 over some of the others - she is barely engaged with the game right now and I don't think she would volunteer to continue on.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do recognize the scum team are not in a great position if they are actually all voting hopkirk at end of day yesterday and might have no good choices.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because it doesnt make sense for scum to risk having gypyx at E-1 when you can just lol-hammer for game over.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you went from wide TR to USR because some things about the setup that we did not know are now known...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

scum knew they would lose if gypyx was executed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky my darling i am scumreading you as we speak

that's fine i'm ok being dead

I feel bad about this exchange.

Sorry Ydra, I let some of my unhappiness with things unrelated to this game spill over and I should not have.

I have been moody and a bit crazy this game and I have not been doing very well at controlling my emotions and that's unfortunate and wrong of me.

Please forgive me for being a jerk - is there something you wanted to discuss about why you are SRing me or any of my behavior you find suspicious that you would like me to explain?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

flea if you are town you should unvote because we need to decide dances first

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

theres really no point for a self vote

its just ate and not going to actually affect any1 except negatively

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pls dont hurt me anymore isis

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no we aren't dancing

and we probably never will

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my main issue with you is that like... you're ateing over wanting dunn and no one wanting dunn but... stuff like your vote/hardcore casing of tgp doesn't reflect that at all? why didn't you vote for dunn except for a brief moment?

because literally nobody thought I was right on dunn and I was in such a depressed rut that i never even bothered to put the vote in.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you really think there would've been no one who would have joined you/considered to vote it??

i dont remember there being a lot of support and it was depressing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm confused by his insisting he would always want to dance with me, yet rescinding his offer.

you said no so that part of me had to die

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Last time I refused to townread you, on some scale, you insisted I must be scum and selfvoted either metaphorically or literally and told everyone to get me next. It was a marathon but still. What's different here?

well theres way more information here that goes into my decision making and your read of me isnt nearly as important by comparison.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You know town!me is going to use the mechanics optimally (scum!me would copy that too). Why are you acting so surprised about the dance decline? And also did the town consensus against it surprise you?

None of your play makes sense.. for either alignment to some extent.

I am not surprised.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I should explain

there is an emotional quite stupid part of me that wanted to dance with you and didn't really care much about winning or losing the game.

that part of me is now dead - it needed to die to get the rational part of me back into the game.

I am now thinking about using dances to create a f3 to win the game so I don't particularly care about dancing anymore.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am not surprised you said no.

I would've been very surprised if you had said yes.

I'm not surprised the town suspects me. I have committed a most grievous sin by changing my vote minutes before deadline because I woke up in a shit mood and made very stupid decisions while not fully awake.

I imagine the game state today would be quite different if I had just dozed an extra 30 minutes or w/e.

That didn't happen. For some reason I can't speculate as to why, the fates have conspired and made me wake up too early when I was dead tired and just wanted to sleep.

I am ok with dying if we can set up a F3 that everyone can agree on and that contains 3 pure-towns as it would mean we win. Am I confident we can do that? No but I think the odds are better than convincing everyone at this point that I am town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no i put hopkirk at E-1

you hammered him like 10 minutes afterwards?

i switched the 6-5 from Gyp-Hop to Hop-Gyp

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean hop mightve convinced me to change back to gyp but it wasnt looking likely

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats kinda why i think gloria is town

she was like screaming at me like WTF r u doing

ydrasse was actually considering hammering??

then you came in and hammer smashed him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

flea who do you want to elim today if you're actually town here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky has been slinging dirt and not following up then started yeeting everything out of the pram.

i dont even know what this means

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats the reason i gotta get outta

im so alone...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky has been slinging dirt and not following up then started yeeting everything out of the pram.

considering that im proposing a f3 with reasons and a poe4 for game end that includes me in it i dont feel this is an accurate representation of my play.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dance with pooky

why did you do this?

do you know how long I stared at this? Seconds that felt like an eternity.

you're killing me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

at least when people ignored you it was because you were pushing a townie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

*swats*
Leave hoppy alone

For me, he's been sincere and honest throughout. Everything from him has felt genuine and he's been open and honest about his reads. there's nothing being hidden or anything

You're welcome?

Isn't that E-1 on hopkirk?

8 minutes left

VOTE: Hopkirk lohammer

I had far too much fun with this.

This progression makes so little sense I don't even know why the mafia chose to leave you in if you're scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i can't see you doing this as town cuz like what is this!?

Like you could've hammered Gypyx while he was at E-1 but you didn't - why would scum know you wouldn't??

and I can't see you doing this as mafia unless your team was like screaming at you to hammer b4 Pooky changed his mind.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

And if you keep going, I say that hopkirk is going to flip green pooky

why would you hammer hop if he's going to flip greeen?

why dont you vote gyp and try to get me to switch back?

I don't get it flea i really dont

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im going to try to reconstruct what the hell happened in the last couple of hours of D2 because none of it makes any sense to me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea 2510 from Ydrasse didn't make any sense either

which wagon is she even talking about?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

4 minutes left, I want not going to hit gypyx on NOT HITTING LURKERS OR LHF.

Ydrasse had threatened hammer.

If anyone was taking hoppy out, it was me.


AND I'M THE BADDIE.

I don't get this at all

what are you talking about

Why did you have to be the one to take out Hop?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you thought he was green why did you hammer him?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im trying to figure out why you voted hop

i dont know the reason

im not a psychic

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how are you upset at people being suspicious of you if you won't explain why you do things!?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky what’s bothering most is your sr Ydrasse who seems really flaming obvtown to me, so I think that’s pinging me more than anything.

I think she sounds extremely sincere and was very clearly trying to stop the Hopkirk wagon. It also reads similarly to me in Death Curse when Shelley tried to get Tayl0r yeeted with Skitter and maybe Flea? voting her. I didn’t read that as scum distancing, more like a backup wagon in case Hopkirk’s couldn’t get pushed through. Scum generally don’t hard bus at deadline in this kind of setup because that would be obviously too risky.

Gloria at the end she was willing to hammer Hopkirk.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we only need to find 3 "hard" townies to win this game.

For me those right now are Jessie-Infinity-Gloria.

As long as all three of those players are town we can get a win.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok which list do you two want?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Flea why do you distrust Jessie so much?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm currently in more or less the same place a gloria with regards to the dance pairs. there's so much information to gain from this phase and the dance paired people are guaranteed to go into the next phase so i don't understand why we would need a hard solve right now instead of then. but if i had to pick three right now it'd be me/gloria/ydrasse.

I'd like to be part of the end even if I'm going to have to die here.

You can obviously change your mind later.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think I'm scum with Jessie?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But you’re the one who put him at E -1 and when I was freaking out at you, why didn’t you unvote him? You definitely had time to do that, so why didn’t you?

i already explained why

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Also if Flea and Ydrasse are scum together, why would she even do that? This makes absolutely no sense, especially since Flea was voting her along with Skitter. Your Flea/Ydrasse scumteam theory makes very little sense.

yea its probably wrong.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he didn't.

i made a bad mistake because i wasn't fully awake.

I'll apologize to him again when I see him in the dead thread.

i'm ok with being elimd for it - you don't have to attack me, I accept dying.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like im sure scum were laughing pretty hard at me when i randomly woke up early from my nap to stupidly move my vote

it is what it is.

I'm ok with dying for it. I just want to help you figure out which f3 will win the game. you can flip me whenever you want.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because flea progression on hopkirk slot did not make any sense at the end

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm sorry Gloria that was a poor choice of word.

by "attack" i mean accuse me of being scum

I know you wouldn't "attack" attack me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would you hammer somebody you think is town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im not using ate im literally trying to take responsibility for my mistakes and fix things

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't like your answer so I'm going to ask you until I get one that I understand.

what do you mean by "Chaos is the only way <3"

how does that answer my question of "why did you hammer hopkirk if you thought he was green?"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It feels like you’re trying to make me feel guilty for thinking you might be scum here and i just don’t think that’s fair of you to do that to me.

I'm not trying to make you feel guilty Gloria.

I am fine with dying here, I deserve it, I've made many mistakes. I will not blame you in the least I promise.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not ignoring your posts flea,

it's your explanation that doesnt make sense to me.

gyp was at e-1 for 3 hours and you didn't hammer gyp

hopkirk was at e-1 for like 10 minutes and your hammer came down and you said it was "fun" even though you maintained the whole way that you were townreadnig him.

I honestly don't know why you would do this if you are town.

I don't

I really really don't

and then for you to come here and now try to blame us for not understanding you !?! its just crazy to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how does a hopkirk flip give more information if you knew he was green and then you flipped him green? what information are you even talking about?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if anything gives more information there it's a gyp flip because we had no idea what gyp was because they literally never posted in the thread except to say they were catching up,

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why didn't chaos choose to hammer gyp then?

you had 3 hours, was the coin in your head always flipping heads?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did you really think Hopkirk wagon had a better composition than Gyp wagon?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm ignoring you at this point pooks. You're deliberately winding me up and ignoring what I'm saying, I swear.

You're the one saying you are chaos like that's somehow an answer.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm probably wrong about you the f3 I want and who the scum are.

I'm gonna stop talking and do some work on timeline reconstructing.

I'm not trying to wind you up Flea. I'm trying to get you to the point where I can see you being town because even as hopkirk died he said you were a hard townread and I need to see what he saw.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky, are you going to answer this?

Gloria my f3 right now is you infinity and jessie

that makes the poe-4 for me:

isis
ydrasse
me
flea

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i could be wrong about everything

i dont really know anything

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've given answers, several of them, and you're ignoring them. Thats on you.

i have read every answer you have given

if i liked your answers i would stop talking to you

i am trying to get to the point where I like your answers


I am doing this for you because your ate affected me and hopkirk says you are hard townread.

I am literally the only person here trying to dig you out of the hole you dug for yourself.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you should read our conversation flea and try to think about whether i am town trying to figure you out or scum trying to make you look bad.

im going to stop talking to you because I need to get some work done. we can resume this conversation later when you are not as upset at me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no you put yourself in that hole when you hammer hopkirk

dont put this on me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gyp was at E-1 for 3 hours after Infinity voted for Gyp.

So why was the scum team ok with this if your vote is a free floating, you say you hard townread hopkirk, and you have the opportunity to hammer Gyp for instant game loss for the scum team?

That's the hardest part that I struggle with to fitting these puzzle pieces in.

Is the entire scum team asleep and can't switch?

Do they somehow know you won't hammer gyp? How do they know this?

The easiest answer is flea is scum but you're screaming at me this isn't the case so I need to fit it to another answer.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

? I'm not denying I also dug myself a hole and jumped into it.

That has nothing to do with you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fuck do i need to switch for deadline or will it go through? i don’t want this wagonnnn

this post from Ydrasse 4 minutes before deadline doesn't make any sense.

but she also doesnt make sense as scum

this entire game is confused im going to reconstruct the vote timeline and try to figure out things after I get some food tonight.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky, why did you vote right after MT?

i didnt even know what the vote count was or that MT voted

I was just upset cuz i thought hopkirk tried to kill me

i was half awake at that point phoneposting from bed.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why did you stare at it if you discarded the lolfun part and only want to use dances optimally now?

Because it's hard to kill that part of me completely.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you look at trust fall and hideyoshi

i dont really do emotional posting as scum, the range is much smaller and faker.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You did plenty of emotional posting in Trust Fall. In Death Curse, you were more like, all of you are out of your gourd for thinking I’m scum here.

I think it would fall more on the side of "buddying/cute" as shelly would describe it.

I don't really fake "anger" or "frustration" very well as scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Flea
Lets do it. I'm LHF here because my only defences, including this one, are either WIFOM or AtE. Pooks has jumped straight on it like a rottweiler, Ydrasse has too.

Grab your partners as I play The Last Waltz on the Theremin.

That's literally the only defence I have, or WIFOM, both of which are cruddy and I don't want to use either.

There's nothing I can do, except roll with it like I normally do ┌༼▀̿ Ĺ̯▀̿༽┐

This is accepting my fate. Admittedly with some grouchiness that because I had a me moment I've thrown the game apparently.

Jessie if I'm scum and a town player posts stuff like that. I just leave them alone and let them commit suicide because most of the time thats what happens.

I don't know why Flea did what Flea did.

I don't understand why scum would let Flea be a Last2 Scum instead of say Skitter or even Dunnstral.

I don't get it and Flea's AtE affects me because I'm weak and human and so confused.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Isis why didn't you move your vote all of the last day before the deadline?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've been putting together how the wagons moved around in the last 17 or so hours before deadline and it's not very pretty.

Like I'll be honest, going off this I probably eliminate me because my move from Gyp to Hopkirk is just asininely stupid and scummy af and basically threw away a lock-win for town at (6)Gyp - [Gloria, Ydra, Hop, Pooky, TRQ, Infinity]

If I did not see my own role PM, I would not believe that I am green here. Sucks to suck I know. I hope I don't make Hopkirk rage-quit the site off how badly I misplayed the end of yesterday.




Here are the questions I am thinking about.

(1) What is the scum team's plan at 11am after Infinity votes Gyp? If Infinity is scum here why does he even put Gyp at (E-1)?

It puts the scum-team at a chance of losing immediately if Flea or Isis wake up and hammer Gyp. In essence what I'm saying is - if Infinity is a red, how does he know Flea/Isis won't hammer Gyp?

(2) Why does Gyp bother to vote Jessie with Flea at 12:34pm EST? What's the point of jumping on this vanity wagon? Is Gyp trying to get Flea to join his side by joining Flea for a second?

(3) What is the scum-team plan at 1:38 PM EST when Gyp-6/Hop-5 after Tweet votes Hop and begins paranoiaing about how Gyp is the only wagon to gain traction?

Who is Tweet targetting with her paranoia posting? Do they expect a townie to peel off or is this some kind of theater move designed to get a scum on the Gyp wagon to move off in some kind of last minute desperation ploy?


The answer to (3) if you didn't know my role PM would be me, they decided that Pooky couldn't deepwolf anymore and Pooky needs to be extracted to save the game from ending right there and that's like the right answer 99% of the time but this is the 1% where I'm actually town here. So what the heck is going on?

Scenario (1) The entire Gyp-Wagon is town at that point in time (Gloria-Yra-Hop-Pooky-TRQ-Infinity) are town and locked on and the scum have no choice but to try to paranoia one of us off (Isis-Flea scum in this case)

Scenario (2) There are 1 or 2 deepwolfs hidden on the Gyp-Wagon and Tweet is trying to give some theater to pull somebody off and onto the Hop-wagon in order to change the elim.

I've gone over the last day a few times and there are some more questions that I can't really understand.


(4) Why does Isis just keep her vote on Hop the entire time and more or less ghost the thread?

(5) Why does Flea exclusively focus on vanity wagon on Jessie/Pooky and refuse to vote one of the two wagons that could actually end the day? Why does Flea only vote one of Gyp/Hop to Hammer Hop?

(6) Why are the scum willing to allow Gyp to sit at (E-1) from 11AM all the way to 1:50 EST when Flea/Isis could both hammer Gyp for instant game over if they have someone deepwolf'd on the Gyp-wagon?


For (6) I am thinking maybe the deepwolf is offline - maybe the scum decided f it they were going to keep the deepwolf on the wagon no matter what come hell or high water because that was the only way they could expect to win the post-flip phase?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm gonna be real here.

I messed up big time.

Not just in how I vote-flipped at the last second in a stupid manner.

But in the days before in which I let myself get talked out of Gyp, and Dunn when I thought they were scummy.

I've been more willing to settle and defer as a playstyle change and I realize now that doesn't suit me at all. By not pursuing things I have really let everyone else down here more than I would've if I had just been stubborn and kept digging.

So I'm asking you to take a leap of faith with me. I know you can't trust me because my actions are not very good but you can sheep me when I'm dead and confirmed town. Let me run this down and figure out what really went down. I can be the first launch today to insure that my conclusions here are coming from somebody who is green. I just want to make it up to Hop for punting so hard yesterday.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We essentially have 4 eliminations. We control the yeet today, we can leave the next 2 susp players for the NK/yeet tommorrow. That brings us to F4 where scum shoot and then we have 1 last elimination.

I think we can find 3 pureTown goods. I have faith in us.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We essentially have 4 eliminations. We control the yeet today, we can leave the next 2 susp players for the NK/yeet tommorrow. That brings us to F4 where scum shoot and then we have 1 last elimination.

I think we can find 3 pureTown goods. I have faith in us.

Do you no longer think that’s me, Jessie, Infinity?

it doesnt matter what I think if you three do not agree. i will not be alive to enforce this solve.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Sooo legitimate excuses for weird plays:

- I know my role PM, I admit I screwed up. I'm sorry:
- I was drunk!

Illegitimate and condemnable excuses for weird plays:
- Painfog
- Chaos
- Generally being an unpredictable player.
- 4 mins before deadline where the optimal play WAS TO PRETEND TO BE OFFLINE.

Good to know.

flea if you are actually town you need to stop lamisting and figure out who the deepwolf in the townblock is because lamisting doesnt help anyone.

saying im done over and over isnt moving the game state foward in any way

we probly die here but if we figure out who the baddie is they have a chance later.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not even trying to LAMIST. I've accepted my doom.

Hopkirks reads say look at Isis.
My solve is you and Ydrasse.

your solve is wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im literally telling you, you are wrong and you need to go back and look at what happened and figure out the actual answer


its better you do it now when im alive than later when I am dead.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why did you want to eliminate Hopkirk ?

why didn't you try to get any of us to vote for Hopkirk during the last 18ish hours before deadline?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats literally why i am spending so much time trying to figure this out...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I had voted gypyx, they would have died.

if I say this again I'm just going to supersize it.

with that many players in, I wasn't willing to vote lurkers or LHF. Turns out that was a super bad call given 4 scum flips were lurkers pretty much.

Flea,

I'm not trying to crucify you for your mistake. I have made a worse mistake by switching.

I am trying to understand what the scum team was thinking if you are actually town here. How did the scum team know you wouldn't hammer Gyp? If I don't understand that I can't get to the point where I think you are town. So if you are town here you need to explain to me how the scum team could risk you not hammering for 3 hours and make that risk make sense.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

jessie doesnt like infinity

you need to solve that problem b4 u put them in dance pair

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we need to resolve why jessie thinks Isis is more innocent than Infinity because I feel like most of the rest of us think the opposite.

Jessie is very smart so I need to figure out if she's right.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gloria you don't have to convince me of what I already believe - I'm trying to convince Jessie or have Jessie convince me she is right about infinity because I don't get how he can be red given how the day played out.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Isis what's your read on me right now?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Townlean

I'm scared Isis

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Are you scum?

You should know I'm pretty far outside my scumrange.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't scumread him for saying that. It's fun to ask people if they're scum because it doesn't actually matter if they say yes or no

I think it matters

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't want Isis to be scum but my head is saying she is and that's very depressing for me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do you think people are more likely to answer honestly or more likely to answer backwards?

I answer with my heart usually.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it mostly has to do with your position on the hop wagon and never moving your vote or checking in.

For you to be town, it would require another deepwolf on the Gyp wagon and it's hard for me to see another one past ydrasse.

You also tried to defuse things with me/hop by saying the sweaty comment wasnt important.

It has almost nothing to do with your read on me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also in D1 Hop and you voted skitter and then dunn together - you also attacked skitter a few times, so it's weird to me why you would flip D2 to help skitter attack hop.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that's kind of boring/lame/unfun etc.

I agree on this point.

Some people use reads for reciprocity but I think it is not very important or good for meta. Feel free to be honest in your read of me, I will do my best to make it not affect my read of you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like I deeply deeply want you to be town.

I want Jessie to show up and explain to me how you deserve to endgame over Infinity.

Because looking at what happened I just can't get there right now and I hope she can change my mind.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Is this saying you townread Flea?

I'm getting there yes

I would be really disappointed in flea beyond words if flea is actually red and resorting to that level of ate.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like for me to believe in the world where you and flea are town

it would mean 2 scum are on the gyp wagon,

and ok with flea/you possibly moving your vote over and hammering.


Who are they? Why are they ok with it? Why does scum even need 2 deepwolves buried and risk the hammer-loss when 1 deepwolf works just as well?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but you're townreading flea?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm townreading everybody
Someone hold me

*hugs*

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pls convince me Jessie

I need isis to be good.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

He always feels bad. But why is he the one vote hopping to the gyp wagon to deep wolf? Wouldn’t skitter be way better at this?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Not really

That’s a p good point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So they sent infinity over to be the deep wolf. How did they know isis/flea wouldn’t hammer it?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do you think it’s one of Isis/flea and infinity?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It doesn’t make sense for infinity to come over if i am already deepwolfed on the gyp wagon

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if infinity is scum and moved from hop to gyp to put gyp at E-1 3 hours before the deadline. that is calculated deepwolfing.

their team must have decided that is the best move for infinity scum to make.

I do not believe infinity scum would make that decision on his own.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't see why they would make that move if they already have a deepwolf on the gyp-wagon at that point in time. So if you want to make the case infinity is scum, then everyone else on the Gyp-wagon at that time should be town?

I don't think they take the risk to put Gyp at E-1 if there are 2 potential town votes that can hammer.

They only need 1 deep-wolf and the risk with 2 off-wagon town votes is much worse than 1 off-wagon town vote?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are right they didn't know about the tree-stumping or that town would know what the stakes of D1/D2 truly were.


However I believe they could've guessed given what they did know of the setup at the time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im saying infinity would be a calculated deepwolf if he is red - im trying to think in what gamestate it would make sense for scum to do that move.

it would imply that there is no wolf already on the gyp wagon as it doesnt make sense to put gyp at e-1 with 2 potential town players laying down the hammer.

it would also imply they expected what to happen at the end?

how did they expect the end to play out?

5 town votes plus infinity red on the gyp wagon, gyp is locked to be executed unless someone switches from gyp to hopkirk.

who were they expecting from the 5 town to switch? I know they couldnt expect me to wake up early after passing out - whats the scum endgame scenario there?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

However I believe they could've guessed given what they did know of the setup at the time.

you think you would have guessed that town would be told of the conspirators loss condition as a conspirator in this game?

i think it is a reasonable expectation that the town would receive a lot of information in the 2nd phase of the game.

I think the exact nature of what game the town was actually playing in the beginning would be an essential part of that information.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

? i thought 6-6 plurality means whoever reached 6 first would get launched ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would they expect you to switch from gyp to hopkirk?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

?

that rule is for if 0 people are voting

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@mod what happens at deadline if the votes are tied at 6-6 ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i'm pretty sure it would be first wagon to reach 6 that gets launched

if it was the last, somebody could just unvote and revote to game the system.

if it's ties always result in town launches, then a person placing a tying vote is directly scum-claiming and signalling the person they voted has to be town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if the scumteam is infinity/flea then isis is the only person who could hammer during that time period

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the distribution of roles yesterday was 6 town, 6 scum.

so in the world where infinity/flea are scum,

that would mean

gyp was at 5.
hop was at 4.

Infinity-Scum switches over to make it 6-3 with Isis!town being the only person who could hammer since 5 town/infinity are already on gyp.

So how does the scumteam know/gambit Isis stays offline/doesn't hammer Gyp?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky I know you’re really good at mechanics. Is what Jessie saying make sense because I don’t know why one of Hopkirk’s strongest trs needs to prove himself like this?

i think she is confusing 2 different rules

the mod will clarify how the eliminations actually work at a 6-6 tie whenever he wakes up.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

your humility is your best part jessie

<3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler: Pooky Drunk Ramblings at 7am

so let's assume the mafia know this rule because it was a 6-6 T/S split and they are somewhat invested in the outcome of the flip.

Let's say you're the bad guys here.

You see TRQ votes GYP at 7AM EST

Wagons are:

Gyp-5(Gloria, Ydra, Hop, Pooky, TRQ)
Hop-3(Isis, Skitter, Infinity)

10AM - Dunn jumps on Hop

Gyp-5(Gloria, Ydra, Hop, Pooky, TRQ)
Hop-4(Isis, Skitter, Infinity, Dunn)

Now you can have Gyp/Tweetie jump on and make it 6-5 with Hop ahead, you'd have the 6-5 lead and by Plurality Rules you will get your elim through since your side reached 6 first.

If there is a scum in Gloria-Ydra-Hop-Pooky-TRQ, they can deepwolf after Hop mis-elim goes through.

Instead Infinity at 11AM flips to the Gyp Wagon making it:

Gyp-6(Gloria, Ydra, Hop, Pooky, TRQ, Infinity) vs Hop-3(Isis,Skitter,Dunnstral)

This is 3 hours before deadline.

What does the scum team hope to do to get Gyp out at that point?

Noon-
Gyp is still at
Gyp-6(Gloria, Ydra, Hop, Pooky, TRQ, Infinity) vs Hop-3(Isis,Skitter,Dunnstral)

Flea jumps on TRQ for a second, Gyp also jumps on TRQ. Why? If they're trying to get Jessie to abandon the wagon because Infinity is now on Gyp, it seems like a singularly stupid idea for Gyp to vote Jessie here? What's even the point of this move? Is Gyp trying to get somebody off the Gyp wagon by offering Jessie as an alternative? Who are they even appealing to with this?

Gyp flips back off the wagon to Hop a few minutes later.

1:06 AM - gyp hops back onto Hopk

Gyp-6(Gloria, Ydra, Hop, Pooky, TRQ, Infinity) vs Hop-3(Isis,Skitter,Dunnstral) vs Hop-4(Isis, Skitter, Dunn Gyp)

Tweetie paranoias a bunch of thoughts into the thread before putting Hop at 5. Who is she even trying to paranoia off the wagon here? They need someone to flip but who is Tweetie targetting?

What I'm really driving at is. What is the scum plan if I don't wake up randomly and switch my vote here? Who can plausibly even flip off the wagon? Or is the entire scum team all in on the idea they can paranoia a townie off the Gyp wagon and the entire gyp wagon is actually town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im not done yet.

there really isnt that much mech so to speak. i am just trying to piece together what happened and figure out motivations that make sense.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Genuinely are you not reading my posts here?
I HAVE SAID SEVERAL TIMES WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY I WOULD NOT GO FOR LHF OR LURKERS.

and you also said multiple times that hopkirk was innocent and you would defend him right up until you hammered him.

You said it yourself: "Chaos is the only way <3"

How does the scum team know that you would not hammer Gypx for Chaos?

This isn't even about your guilt. It's about whether Infinity can be scum taking a risk.

The rewards are vast but Jessie and I disagree on the size of the risk being taken and we are just trying to talk that out.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gave up 2 days ago.

Only reason I'm still here is good faith for the mod and that I haven't been eliminated.

It is extremely unpleasant for me to try to figure out your alignment in good faith and try to create scenarios in which you are innocent while you repeat over and over again that I am guilty and refuse to even pretend to engage in the game in good faith while screaming over and over again that you want to be executed.

This is not a good way to play regardless of what alignments we actually hold.

I am spending significant amounts of time on this while you continue to throw tantrums.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

everyone is crazy

i love this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its like every time infinity posts you think he could be scum so why do they send him over to be the deepwolf? its mindboggling to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i really dont want it to be isis/infinity

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You already made your read on me clear pooky. Now you're just bricking it for when I flip green so you dont look like you've TMI'd with your naff case at the start of the day on me knowing full well you dodged a bullet with ydrasse because I hammered.

why would ydra even hammer hopkirk if I'm scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky came straight into today and voted me based on PoE, saying my hammer was ick. realised that wasn't gaining traction, unvoted and went straight into AtE. Since then I've done dizzy as we've gone around in circles. I have been their sole focus that I can tell.

this is such a misrep

your play is abysmal today and yesterday

i honestly cant remember seeing someone so completely misunderstand reality.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Is this saying you townread Flea?

I'm getting there yes

I would be really disappointed in flea beyond words if flea is actually red and resorting to that level of ate.

Maybe you should read what I actually post about you rather than make shit up about how im hard-tunneled on you and want you dead.

If I am red, I just let you kill yourself. I don't spend hours trying to figure out how to fit you-green into a world that makes sense.

And the funny thing about all this shit I am doing for you is that you are so ungrateful and unwilling to read what I'm doing that you just nonstop flame me over and over again,

I am frankly sick of your posting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Don’t you dare Hopkirk Flea, please.

i am not ragevoting any1

im just sick and tired of like losing sleep over this game while flea keeps trashing me as "fake solving and going around in circles for lulz"

If flea hammered gyp this game would be over but instead flea decided nah i am never going to hammer lurkers and LHFs and i only hammer people I think are green.

WHATEVER THE HELL THAT MEANS

and HOW COULD ANYONE WANST TO HOLD ME RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH RIDICULOUSLY BAD PLAY

WHAT ON EARTH COULD POSSIBLY MAKE PEOPLE UPSET AT ME!?!??!

WHAT A TRAGEDY!?

its so such a ridiculous take that I don't think scum!Flea could come up with it because its just FRANKLY INSANE.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am not going to ragevote flea

if we lose to flea!scum - it's whatever - I don't even care at that point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Speaking of misreps.

At those numbers i wasn't going to elim LHF.

If you recall I was wanting to dance with hopkirk form the start, I'm devastated Hopkirk isn't here for this, and I have no regrets over the hammer. If anyone was taking him out, it was me.

you had 3 hours to hammer gyp

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You already made your read on me clear pooky. Now you're just bricking it for when I flip green so you dont look like you've TMI'd with your naff case at the start of the day on me knowing full well you dodged a bullet with ydrasse because I hammered.

why would ydra even hammer hopkirk if I'm scum.

Because you both lose.

what r u even talking about

after I vote Hopkirk he is at 6 votes. in 8 minutes the deadline eliminates Hopkirk.

Why in the world would Ydra decide to HAMMER there unless she is worried somebody on the Hopkirk wagon is going to change their mind?

4 are scum. 1 is me, 1 is Isis.

Isis isn't even online. So unless your theory is that Ydra is worried HER SCUMBUDDY ME is going to change his MIND. IT MAKES ZERO SENSE FOR YDRA-SCUM TO WANT TO HAMMER HOPKIRK THERE IF I AM SCUM WITH YDRA.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like do you really think in the scum PT I'm sharing with Ydra according to your BS theory that I'm telling Ydra to hammer in case Isis suddenly wakes up and moves her vote that she hasn't moved in like the last day or so when there's only 8 minutes to deadline?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont think they had a plan exactly

it looks like tweetie/gyp were just afk/awol and they had to play around that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if Gyp wasn't afk. he could be coached to actually play the game right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unless you think the scum told gyp to just shut his mouth and never post anything? cuz that doesn't seem like a reasonable thing for his scumfriends to tell him to do?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and what does that potentially mean about infinity switching

I think if infinity is red, that means the 5 people voting for Gyp are all green, because there's no reason for infinity to flip his vote if scum already have a vote on Gyp right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thanks tweetie

you always know how to make me smile :3

its rough here without you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am not ok with eliminating Isis if she is green.