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time for 10 am tiredposting

leanscum on NPOM and Superbowl9. Both seem to be putting forth incredibly little effort to the game, their reads and votes (what few they've put forth) are incredibly lazy.

FL probably town. I don't think scum outright locktown's such a controversial move and I see no reason for him to pocket me. Same logic for Titus.

Want to hear more from Alch, but what little they've posted seems towny.

have your opinions on NPOM changed from yesterday? I agree with your take on SB9 but I actually feel worse about NPOM due to the fact that he's just kind of ignoring me and the main topic of discussion to push FL. Gives me bad vibes.

I want to get into your head-space a little bit. Why do you feel perceived inconsistency in reads and other such topics (I say perceived because you obviously don't have access to my own thought processes) is scum indicative?

In post 354, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 352, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 349, Battle Mage wrote:if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.

Why do you think that?

he was super bombastic and confident on Day 1. I don't think he's the type to go balls-out like that, unless he was confident his team would carry the victory.

Where do you get this impression of me? In Open 799 (the game we played together) I was also rather confident in my reads/solve though I will agree I wasn't as explosive as I was at D1 EoD this game.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think this is a good place to park for the time being.

I'm going against the standard grain of thought so I a must be scum! Good thinking!

Because you know, how things went down D1 worked so well for us.

VOTE: nopoweroverme for taunting town

Good reasoning again. Don't put yourself out.

here comes a curveball:

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

In post 405, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm going against the standard grain of thought so I a must be scum! Good thinking!

There's a rather large difference between "going against the grain" and "completely ignoring topics of discussion" and also "putting forth minimal effort to read the game or other players"

I don't find them relevent so I don't feel the need to comment.

Also it should go without saying but that reaction is awful, especially for just a single vote.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not scumhunting.

I don't love Outworld on this page.

In post 404, OutWorldER wrote:VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think this is a good place to park

for the time being

.

that's the sort of non-committal phrasing which i see from scum more than town. Makes the vote seem un-serious, and town shouldn't want their votes to seem un-serious, but scum might if they don't want to ruffle feathers.

In post 403, OutWorldER wrote:

In post 354, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 352, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 349, Battle Mage wrote:if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.

Why do you think that?

he was super bombastic and confident on Day 1. I don't think he's the type to go balls-out like that, unless he was confident his team would carry the victory.

Where do you get this impression of me? In Open 799 (the game we played together) I was also rather confident in my reads/solve though I will agree I wasn't as explosive as I was at D1 EoD this game.

I feel like you answered your own question here - you agree you played differently, so why ask something so inane as "where do you get this impression of me?" when you know we have only shared 1 game together and i've already said that's the basis of my assessment. It's a question for the sake of asking a question - more of a scum posturing move than town move.

In post 402, OutWorldER wrote:

@Ranny

I want to get into your head-space a little bit. Why do you feel perceived inconsistency in reads and other such topics (I say perceived because you obviously don't have access to my own thought processes) is scum indicative?

question to Ranny, which basically amounts to "you are voting for me, please stop that".

In post 401, OutWorldER wrote:time for 10 am tiredposting

leanscum on NPOM and Superbowl9. Both seem to be putting forth incredibly little effort to the game, their reads and votes (what few they've put forth) are incredibly lazy.

FL probably town. I don't think scum outright locktown's such a controversial move and I see no reason for him to pocket me. Same logic for Titus.

Want to hear more from Alch, but what little they've posted seems towny.

@Titus

have your opinions on NPOM changed from yesterday? I agree with your take on SB9 but I actually feel worse about NPOM due to the fact that he's just kind of ignoring me and the main topic of discussion to push FL. Gives me bad vibes.

question to Titus which basically amounts to "please help me wagon NPOM". Also, I definitely fall in the low-effort camp, but he singles out NPOM and Superbowl only. I'm sure there are others too. Low effort doesn't mean scum though, especially in this game where scum appears to be off to a good start.

You were the one that lolhammered Ben, let's not forget.

I find OWER's defense of FL interesting.

perhaps im just a little bitter that nobody followed me onto NPOM yesterday, and suddenly now after flipping 2 power-roles, others are catching on

Titus - my reflection on your Superbowl analysis below is... it's arguably lining up elims, but it's also fairly understandable. If someone lolhammers town, they should be the first person looked at the following day. Knowing Superbowl, I don't read so much into the "policy" stuff, as he is prone to hyperbole and being a little over-zealous at times. Not enough for a vote from me.

In post 324, Titus wrote:

Spoiler: Quotes

In post 281, superbowl9 wrote:Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon? Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town imo

In post 296, superbowl9 wrote:

In post 282, benhalkum wrote:

In post 281, superbowl9 wrote:Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon?

Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town

imo

None of the above.

Indifferent.

Indifferent people don't self vote at L-2

pedit: welp

In post 298, superbowl9 wrote:

Can we policy that tomorrow it needs to be punished from either alignment

(unless ben's scum in which case they escape with a warning)

In post 302, superbowl9 wrote:

In post 301, OutWorldER wrote:Battle Mage is here too he knows.

but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.

Nope please do not minimize your quickhammer. The bad thing about them is that they mess up the normal flow of games/wagons and cut off our discussion time, which is especially important in this type of game where there wasn't much content to go off of

This rapid shift from we got scum wagoned to Ben is likely town, policy lynch OutWorldER is particularly jarring.

Bolded is showing the read shift.

Underlined is where Superbowl9 shows he has no interest in sorting OutWorldER if Ben flips town.

It's chaining lynches in its worst form.

In post 365, Flavor Leaf wrote:Personally,

I don’t think it’s impossible for Ben wagon to be all town.

However, off the wagon was killed, so

I’m thinking 1 maybe 2 scum max on the wagon

for clarity sake.

superbowl9, Titus, NoPowerOverMe - is the spot where one would be on that wagon.

SuperBowl kinda looks like irritated scum. And NPOM immediately went to come after me.

No way is there scum that isn’t off the wagon

, so I’ll look there in a bit.

I don’t think Titus is scum here because the town reads she stated makes sense based on her skills with wagonomics.

lots of flip-flopping here. FL goes from stating it's all town on the wagon, to 1-2 scum max on the wagon, back to being certain that it's all town on the wagon.

I'm also not mad about the idea we look away from the wagon - think there's a decent chance of scum on wagon.

In post 414, Battle Mage wrote:I don't love Outworld on this page.

In post 404, OutWorldER wrote:VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think this is a good place to park

for the time being

.

that's the sort of non-committal phrasing which i see from scum more than town. Makes the vote seem un-serious, and town shouldn't want their votes to seem un-serious, but scum might if they don't want to ruffle feathers.

In post 403, OutWorldER wrote:

In post 354, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 352, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 349, Battle Mage wrote:if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.

Why do you think that?

he was super bombastic and confident on Day 1. I don't think he's the type to go balls-out like that, unless he was confident his team would carry the victory.

Where do you get this impression of me? In Open 799 (the game we played together) I was also rather confident in my reads/solve though I will agree I wasn't as explosive as I was at D1 EoD this game.

I feel like you answered your own question here - you agree you played differently, so why ask something so inane as "where do you get this impression of me?" when you know we have only shared 1 game together and i've already said that's the basis of my assessment. It's a question for the sake of asking a question - more of a scum posturing move than town move.

In post 402, OutWorldER wrote:

@Ranny

I want to get into your head-space a little bit. Why do you feel perceived inconsistency in reads and other such topics (I say perceived because you obviously don't have access to my own thought processes) is scum indicative?

question to Ranny, which basically amounts to "you are voting for me, please stop that".

In post 401, OutWorldER wrote:time for 10 am tiredposting

leanscum on NPOM and Superbowl9. Both seem to be putting forth incredibly little effort to the game, their reads and votes (what few they've put forth) are incredibly lazy.

FL probably town. I don't think scum outright locktown's such a controversial move and I see no reason for him to pocket me. Same logic for Titus.

Want to hear more from Alch, but what little they've posted seems towny.

@Titus

have your opinions on NPOM changed from yesterday? I agree with your take on SB9 but I actually feel worse about NPOM due to the fact that he's just kind of ignoring me and the main topic of discussion to push FL. Gives me bad vibes.

question to Titus which basically amounts to "please help me wagon NPOM". Also, I definitely fall in the low-effort camp, but he singles out NPOM and Superbowl only. I'm sure there are others too. Low effort doesn't mean scum though, especially in this game where scum appears to be off to a good start.

1) I said for the time being because at that time NPOM wasn't literally lockscum, and I had planned to take this day a little slower and return to my usual style. That has changed.

2) My disagreement more stemmed from your surprise since outside of being more aggressive and more memey I didn't think my play was that much different from O799.

3) Yes, I wanted Ranny to stop voting town. To do that, I wished to have a genuine conversation with him about his thought processes and how he performs his reads.

4) Yes, I was reaching out to one of my town-reads to see if we could consolidate votes on a player I don't exactly feel good about. Especially now.

Also I didn't consider you low-effort? You provided interaction and actual original thoughts of your own, which is more than I can say for SB9 and NPOM before just recently.

I can see your reasoning for suspecting me for Number 1 but I do fail to see what exactly is wrong about the last two parts.

I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the person primarialy responsible for the D1 mislynch saying who is and who isn't town at this point.

In post 419, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 365, Flavor Leaf wrote:Personally,

I don’t think it’s impossible for Ben wagon to be all town.

However, off the wagon was killed, so

I’m thinking 1 maybe 2 scum max on the wagon

for clarity sake.

superbowl9, Titus, NoPowerOverMe - is the spot where one would be on that wagon.

SuperBowl kinda looks like irritated scum. And NPOM immediately went to come after me.

No way is there scum that isn’t off the wagon

, so I’ll look there in a bit.

I don’t think Titus is scum here because the town reads she stated makes sense based on her skills with wagonomics.

lots of flip-flopping here. FL goes from stating it's all town on the wagon, to 1-2 scum max on the wagon, back to being certain that it's all town on the wagon.

I'm also not mad about the idea we look away from the wagon - think there's a decent chance of scum on wagon.

The underlined isn't true. By saying scum must be off the wagon, he's saying the entire scumteam wasn't on the wagon. He's not saying the wagon is pure town.

In post 421, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the person primarialy responsible for the D1 mislynch saying who is and who isn't town at this point.

Why? It's either associatives or scumhunting.

I'm not big on the Titus tunnel below. Fundamentally the conclusion doesn't bear much resemblance to the reality of what transpired. Ben was vocal, clearly scumhunting, not trying to buddy anyone, and not really hedging his bets. He was basically acting like your typical enthusiastic Day 1 townie. Titus took umbridge with his retaliation towards her, whilst at the same time calling him meek and weak. At best, not a fair assessment.