Yellowstone

[Noraa]

if Flea died to the PGO then Guillo is scum? or are there other possibilities?

[Noraa]

Jacko its 4 am :O
get some sleep!

[Noraa]

Jacko its 4 am :O
get some sleep!

Nah fam I start work at 4:30 am

:O that's too early!

[Noraa]

Hey all

Looks like the day started just after I went to bed last night and then was locked by the time I had woken up - see my previous wry comments about the mafiascum experience for European players

G's been stretching today, I'm not gonna lie.

As I understand it, Vax is either:
PGO -> means Flea died from visiting them -> means either G is scum or scum no-killed to frame G
Not PGO-> means scum killed Flea and Vax is 90% scum because why would town!vax lie about their role

I've still not heard back from Vax ref why they didn't claim D1 fwiw

--pedit lolwat from math. In this scenario either Vax or G is scum 90% so why look elsewhere?

this is my exact thought process :O

[Noraa]

Ok what shitty investigative did you use on me that can't even clear me?

[Noraa]

Ok what shitty investigative did you use on me that can't even clear me?

Why do you and DGB care so much as to what investigatives we are if you’re town?

cuz why tf would u use something on me that doesn't even do jackshit?
like if I'm conftown, that'd be bomb.
but if u use a damn investigative on me and then kill me the next day, its a whole damn waste of a night action.

[Noraa]

Math is ++town by play imo, if there's scum outside {vax, guillo, noraa} it's
DGB

except you just called me town a hot second ago so why am I even in a pool of scumbuckets?

Because we have a lot of confirmed/semi-confirmed roles

well unless the scum team is just Vax/Guillo, something went really wrong.

[Noraa]

I think its more likely that guillo was doing a kill and got blocked than vax being scum.

VOTE: Guillo

[Noraa]

Vax for policy

its day 3. this isn't acceptable at all.

[Noraa]

cool. both town leaders are bad then.

[Noraa]

You know this kinda reminds me of the time that Weak fn targeted scum!me.
I was widely TRed but the weak fn was my strongest SR and the weak fn had a strong TR on me.
The moment he died, it was obvious I was scum but I first started out saying I hadn't been visited then later admitted I had.

Vax kinda reminds me of that. I'm not 1000% sure tho.

But the masons favoring me over both guillo and vax does 100% show how bad they are.

[Noraa]

I don't care if I'm shading conftown atm. Bc I do think they have done a shitty as fuck job.

[Noraa]

FYI mod msgd me, said there was a mistake. I received a picnic basket last night.

I'll be on later tonight, christmas stuff with fam now

yeah the problem is that the mod is never going to confirm something like this bc confirming/denying will tell us Vax's alignment.

[Noraa]

Anyways both masons suck if they think limming me today is optimal play.

[Noraa]

FYI mod msgd me, said there was a mistake. I received a picnic basket last night.

I'll be on later tonight, christmas stuff with fam now

@Nero Cain

can you confirm this?

If moderators make mechanical mistakes that put the integrity of players at risk, he must publicly confirm them, otherwise it is just another bluff.

mod won't. otherwise we will be able to know Vax's alignment.

[Noraa]

Last time a mod mixed up the night actions leading town to lots of confusion but the mod couldn't confirm.

[Noraa]

NORA
NORA
NORA

earlier I said your vibe here is different from JVs game but like




Momrangal
Mathblade

Marky-
JV
DBG
Guillotina
Infinity
Vax
Nora

JV claimed the kill yesterday
DBG confirmed the block
Marky confirmed himself as camper
Vax is very likely telling the truth here

That leaves you, G, and infinity in the outliers

Where is scum?

I don't know. but I am not.

[Noraa]

I don't know. but I am not.

You need to put work in to help further ease my paranoias

tell ur mason buddy to shush then. I'm not going to reread thread just to find twenty more pages of bullshit when I'm done.

[Noraa]

The mod cant say

"I was supposed to send someone a PM, but forgot to do it"

The mod has to confirm mechanical mistakes they made to the public.

What if im a cop and i get a wrong check and for that i get a town killed after claiming?

This is why mods have to confirm mechanical mistakes to the thread. It's policy!

no it's not. The mod will pm the person that they messed up something for. That is it.

[Noraa]

I don't think DGB is optimal play here.
I think we choose one out of vax/guillo bc its like 90% confirmed that there is scum in those two.

[Noraa]

I don't think DGB is optimal play here.
I think we choose one out of vax/guillo bc its like 90% confirmed that there is scum in those two.

Stop saying that. It’s not true.

Stop saying I'm scum. Thats not true either. Don't tell me what to say when ur saying things that are even more ridiculous.

[Noraa]

Y'all didn't use the damn cop on me?! >:(

Ok
UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

well then vax or DGB is scum.

[Noraa]

what is ninja?

[Noraa]

what is ninja?

Ninja means it acts but is invisible to watches and tracks. I suspect you knew that though.

this a modifier?
no I don't know of it and haven't ever seen such a role/modifier before.

[Noraa]

This wouldn't be the first time I've seen you play that game as scum

You must think very poorly of my scum game to think that I would ever be USR like this as scum.

[Noraa]

Ok so y'all think I'm a ninja that did the nk last night?

Theres some problems with that.
1) it can be RBed and unless I remembered wrong, I am and have always been DGB's biggest SR. As for why that RB wasn't on me, beats me I dunno.
2) it can be copped. yesterday I was basically asking to be copped so I could be conftown. Sure u can call it lamist but if a cop actually checked me, I'd be doomed if I were scum, right? Unless yaal think I'm an Ascetic Ninja which if u do, ur confbiasing like fuck.
3) it can be rolecopped. It won't come up as vanilla. I claimed vt. I wouldn't be that dumb as scum.

[Noraa]

I read the wiki.

[Noraa]

I mean masons with roles claimed day 1. Town's already pretty overpowered just based on that. I could've claimed ninja bc its negative utility and the role would fit right in right?
Im terrible at setup spec but I think that's how it works.

[Noraa]

My point is there's too much that doesn't fit bc I claimed vt and constantly drew attention to myself. If I were scums most valuable player, I wouldn't behave that way.

[Noraa]

also if I did a nk last night, it would've went thru and we'd have a double kill right?
DGB blocked Guillo. Not me.

[Noraa]

Noraa, I'm gonna slow down my posting and you can solve ok?

ur not even the biggest trash post provider in this game anyways.

[Noraa]

this game is 50% trash posts from the masons
40% king guillo
10% actual content

[Noraa]

I wish I was a vig

[Noraa]

I'd shoot half this plist and then talk.

[Noraa]

why would scum submit a kill on flea if vax is town? you do think vax is town, right?

[Noraa]

If scum see that a townie has claimed PGO and town has told another townie to target the pgo, this is a good opportunity for them to get a double pr kill. why tf would they nk flea?

[Noraa]

Either Vax is SCUM and scum killed flea to make the PGO claim seem real.
Or Vax is town and scum kill didn't go thru(I don't believe scum ever no kill here) In this case Guillo is scum.

One of {guillo, vax} is scum. We should be limming in this pool today.

[Noraa]

I think if vax is town, something definitely happened to the nk. Either a secret protective, masons, or DGB.

If DGB is lying, then protective or masons.

Scum don't no kill here imo.

[Noraa]

I skimmed the thread. Motion Detect clear on Noraa can possibly clear them if Vax is scum.
DGB result is semi-useless although the Role Cop is probably the more useful of the two. Your claims are weaker than I thought it would be I have no idea why you’re thinking scum likely has 2 PRs.

Also ninja for a motion detector is almost never a thing, motion detector is weak as is

Oh md claimed?
wiki says ninja for watcher.

[Noraa]

I wish I was a vig

Me too, I would have shot you so long ago.

Wait...Let's try something!

Oh dear camper gods! Send me a trapper role! or an ITA Shot! I beg of you to bless me with a kill action so I can kill scum!

I promise! I pinky promise I will shoot that scheming bear who goes by the name of Noraa!

I would've shot u night 1 if I were vig

[Noraa]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Too save my scummy ass

I helped u fix some typos

[Noraa]

Talk about making an ass out of yourself... "TO SAVE MY SCUMMY ASS" would be the sentence you were trying to paint me with.

1 star out of 5 for this lame comeback

[Noraa]

Mark, mind explaining what you think the possibilites are of each. And yes I am going to write them as blunt as I possibly can.

1. DGB roleblocked two killing scum two nights in a row, both with a killing role claiming a kill (essentially).
   
2. scum!vax killed Flea to keep their claim a possability.
   
3. Mafia killed Flea or no-killed to incriminate the PGO claim, regardless of the fact that a few people already suspected them to be a scum!PGO.
   
4. Mafia kill was stopped by a hidden protective.
   
5. Mafia did a no-kill gambit to both incriminate the town!PGO immediately and then whoever town!DGB roleblocked once the town!PGO flips Town.
   
6. Mafia did a no-kill to both incriminate the town!PGO immediately and when they flip Town, they will semi-incriminate who scum!DGB roleblocked.

Let me know if there's more scenarios that popped into your head. A tinfoil popped into my head while writing those down that if Gills IS scum, they have to be goon due to the Role Cop and Mafia likely has one PR which would not be doing the kill, I also doubt 4 mafia. Though I do think Vax > Gills but wouldn't mind switching it

Ok I see why 1 isn't all that likely now.
2 is more likely than 1
3 is the most unlikely imo
4 isn't that likely. I think the protective wouldve outed if this happened cuz we'd have an extra 2 conftown from that.
5 and 6 aren't that likely. no kill just sounds stupid as hell here if u ask me.

[Noraa]

I was trying to attract the shot day 1. Apparently, it was not effective. I wanted to leave a few more pr hints towards the end of that day, but the day ended quickly before I could.

I don't think scum no killed, but can't guil and Nora be scum? If so I'd rather have Nora since guil wants to die.

stop scumclaiming.

[Noraa]

Yeah today we lim inside {Guillo, Vax}

The masons are simply wrong. there's a 90% possibility this pool has scum and 10% that it doesn't. I doubt it is the 10%.

After seeing Jacko's very blunt description of events, I think DGB's scum equity does go a bit higher than I originally thought. Thats about the only thing I agree with the masons on.

[Noraa]

I want the hammer.

Math vote.
UNVOTE:

I will wait for Vax to say stuff tho.

[Noraa]

I want the hammer.

[Noraa]

I haven't gotten a beautiful hammer in a while. Let me have it

[Noraa]

I won't hammer without conftown permission.

[Noraa]

Math, I'm town.

Oh im so very convinced.

[Noraa]

What point is it to fake a fruit vend anyway

This

[Noraa]

No one cc'ed the fruit vend so it does mean that Flea had to have visited Vax yeah?

[Noraa]

What I don't understand is if Vax and DGB are scum together why would they block Flea and then kill flea?
Also doesn't role block protect from kills anyways? Or is that role stop?

[Noraa]

Fruit vendor isn't exactly dangerous and if they kill flea, it doesn't matter whether or not flea is blocked.

[Noraa]

If DGB is scum that blocked flea and Vax is scum covering it up, they are actually two of the dumbest scums ever

Like optimal play if you have a goon(assuming vax isn't pgo) and a RBer is to RB a mason and then kill flea if they want the PGO claim to seem real.

[Noraa]

They weren't hints I was PGO, there were hints that I had a PR and I wanted to get to the next day to use them.

PGO is a passive role. What in the world do you mean by use them?

[Noraa]

Ok well I'm not surprised they got an actual confirmable fruit basket cuz if DGB was scum that RBed Flea and then they killed flea, that'd literally be the stupidest thing possible.
The scum team isn't DGB/Vax. I feel like we established this a while ago and going back to that is kinda dumb and its also just something that just sounds stupid? Like why RB someone that's a about to die?

[Noraa]

No the dilemma never made sense at all.

[Noraa]

No but like why tf would u RB a fruit giver? Like that's dumb as hell. At the most, the action goes thru and the kill gets blocked and u just say . Ok I think I see the point a bit more now.

[Noraa]

I'm fine with guillo. I want to see more from vax tho. Vax was in death curse and anyone in death curse I have high expectations for. Im surprised he thinks I'm scum here and I think its weird he does.

[Noraa]

Idk I feel like vax is town

And because I don't then I must be scum? Is that the reason behind your vote on me?

Because it's quite peculiar that you voted right after I pressured Vax.

I mean I don't buy the theory that scum no killed just to frame vax, so the only other explanation is that you made the kill and we're blocked.

What is scum no-kill?

this isn't the first time it was mentioned.

[Noraa]

I missed it, what is scum no-kill?

its pretty self explanatory.

[Noraa]

I missed it, what is scum no-kill?

its pretty self explanatory.

I have an idea, but I wanna make sure. Cause if it means mafia holstered factional kill, mafia factionals are mandatory.

stop pulling this clueless look out. its a common noobscum tactic.

[Noraa]

lol.

[Noraa]

You mean like you did with Ninja?

No. Knowing what a nokill is is very different from knowing what some rare as fuck modifier is.

[Noraa]

I missed it, what is scum no-kill?

its pretty self explanatory.

I have an idea, but I wanna make sure. Cause if it means mafia holstered factional kill, mafia factionals are mandatory.

stop pulling this clueless look out. its a common noobscum tactic.

And why aren't you voting me? You said that if you were a vigilante you'd kill me on Night 1. Here is your chance, hammer me coward!

If the situation was the opposite I would be hammering you right now and I would enjoy it scum.

Try me. VOTE: Guillo

[Noraa]

I missed it, what is scum no-kill?

its pretty self explanatory.

I have an idea, but I wanna make sure. Cause if it means mafia holstered factional kill, mafia factionals are mandatory.

stop pulling this clueless look out. its a common noobscum tactic.

You mean like you did with Ninja?

Mafia can hold kills on Mafia Universe and here. Not sure what site you’re on it’s mandatory.

Ok, you are worrying me bud. You know mafia factional kills are always mandatory. ALWAYS!

Unless a role allows you to hoster or the mod says you can in the OP

Other way around. stop lying. You are from MU and the rules are the same.

[Noraa]

What sites do you play on Noraa?

This is my first site ever. I don't know most of the modifiers and roles on site.

Had one hell of a time figuring out what multi ball and werewolves were.

Only know of a few modifiers
Bulletproof(I've been bp before)
novice(I've been novice before)
odd/even night(I've seen a few of these)
loyal/disloyal(I was loyal once)
weak(seen this before)
vengeful(seen this before)
this is about it. can't think of any other modifiers that I know.

[Noraa]

Oh wait I know Ascetic too. I think that sums up my list.

[Noraa]

Please quit spamming if you’re town

says the one that has 611 posts 600 of which are absolutely not helpful in any way possible...

[Noraa]

I still think Math and Momrangal could be w/w

lol wut

[Noraa]

You are gonna buy the theory after I flip camper, if not, then what theory will you buy

I'm gonna buy the vax-scum theory in that case

Well, it is that case.

ur flailing so badly ....

[Noraa]

It’s really not rare.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/da ... role=Ninja

Mafia universe has it too.

What sites do you play on Noraa?

Tbf I'm not sure I've been in a game with a ninja. It's pretty rare ime

2013 join date hasn't even seen it. Math why are u attacking a 4 month old player with whether or not she knows what some rare ass modifier is.

[Noraa]

So Vax getting the picnic basket description correct just means that flea actually visited them (which we kinda knew anyway as flea was a TPR so had no reason to lie in saying they planned to visit Vax). The whole thing isn't particularly AI

Guillo I think you're hammered mate, so you probably can't self hammer

I didnt check the vc when I voted but I'm fine with hammering guillo.

[Noraa]

MAFIA FACTIONAL KILLS ARE ALWAYS MANDATORY! UNLESS STATED IN THE OP

This isn't true I've been in/seen multiple games where scum intentionally no killed and I don't think there was a specific rule allowing it

the opposite is actually true. the normal is that no kill is allowed. The OP has to specifically say its not allowed for it to not be allowed.

[Noraa]

I still think Math and Momrangal could be w/w

lol wut

I know... it's a gut feeling.

Problem is that in that scenario, you can't be scum and I want you to be scum.

ur hammered. fess up.

[Noraa]

MAFIA FACTIONAL KILLS ARE ALWAYS MANDATORY! UNLESS STATED IN THE OP

This isn't true I've been in/seen multiple games where scum intentionally no killed and I don't think there was a specific rule allowing it

Then this site does not play mafia.

according to math, MU is the same soooooooooooo

[Noraa]

Guillo if you change sites people are gonna play the game differently idk wtf you expected

I expected the site to play Mafia. The yeet and the night kill is guaranteed, unless otherwise stated.

stop arguing over some useless shit. there's no point.

[Noraa]

Tbf I am year+ from playing on MU could be a new rule they added

Oh. well nvm then. I haven't ever played on MU before but I hear a lot of people here play there so yeah.

[Noraa]

Guillo if you change sites people are gonna play the game differently idk wtf you expected

I expected the site to play Mafia. The yeet and the night kill is guaranteed, unless otherwise stated.

stop arguing over some useless shit. there's no point.

Noraa, we are just on the same page today :3

I mean I would have probs phrased it slightly more politely, but I agree with the sentiment

I'm pretty annoyed with this plist atm so nothing coming out of my mouth is gonna sound too nice

[Noraa]

and since we are in twilight. Yes, I am a camper.

u could be twilight trolling. would you do that?

[Noraa]

Noraa, you know it's all in character. I do think you are scum though.

well if ur town, this was disappointing as hell.

[Noraa]

Im yeeting vax tomorrow if ur town.

[Noraa]

Holy fuck I love flea so much. I will personally smack all the scums if I find out they killed Flea last night postgame.

[Noraa]

If DGB is town they’re doing a good job. If it’s scum it won’t listen.
If secret protective exists they’re doing a good job. Telling scum who is protected is silly.
If masons exist they will discuss overnight.

My suggestion is block Noraa if I was a roleblocker.

big fat waste of a role block but if Guillo is scum, I'll be cleared unless scum think they can afford another nokill after 2 entire nokills(night 1 blocked, night 2 blocked)

[Noraa]

We should get at least 2/3 claimed TPR night actions tonight (assuming scum manage to nail one) so ought to have a decent amount more info to go off, beyond G's flip

no. we do not tell them what to do. but we can suggest and they do what they choose. we can't let scum know all of the actions exactly.

[Noraa]

Bruh are you just gonna continue shoving the word LAMIST in my face?

[Noraa]

I mean technically it's a phrase, but when you try and 'help' by telling me not to do something that I wasn't doing, then it feels appropriate

no...

[Noraa]

I hope there is spoilers in the dead chat

mods almost always give pm spoilers even if they aren't willing to give post spoilers so uh if ur town, u can definitely get ur spoilers.

[Noraa]

I mean technically it's a phrase, but when you try and 'help' by telling me not to do something that I wasn't doing, then it feels appropriate

no...

I mean if you disagree, you are welcome to explain why you thought I was telling the TPRs what/who to target and actually refute me

I just did think that so I told u to stop.

[Noraa]

Wait has hammer been did done

yup. I got my hammer.

[Noraa]

Math u think imma ninja right? use that role cop on me tonight.

[Noraa]

I will come up vanilla because I am 10000% a vt.

[Noraa]

Math u think imma ninja right? use that role cop on me tonight.

Yah, nice role luring.

-___________-

u better flip scum.

[Noraa]

everyone here is confbiasing so hard.
Noraa didnt get tracked anywhere.
She must be ninja.
Noraa was role copped and got no role.
She must be godfather.
Whats next?
Noraa was copped and came up green.
Scum have a bus driver.

seriously wtf? are y'all insane. By the end of this game I'm gonna end up being a mafia multitasking ascetic ninja godfather bus driver in all these shitty fanfics.

[Noraa]

Guillo ur hammered. The votes of the dead don't count.

[Noraa]

Momrangal conftown.

Limpool {Vax}

[Noraa]

Truth be told, I've put zero thought into this game but I do think vax is basically confscum here.
I will listen to mom and only mom tho.
Half because ur conftown.
Half because I think you are one of the few people here that will see the town in me and defend me so this becomes one of my few town games this month where I don't get flashwagoned for shitty reasons.

[Noraa]

WHY

WHYWHYWHY

Im sorry for ur loss. Im secretly not that upset about it. Math would've just tunneled me today.

[Noraa]

He wouldn't have because he RC'd you. He would have known your alignment for sure

damnit.

[Noraa]

I wanna be conftown >:(

[Noraa]

But also, Mom, Rolecops don't tell alignment. Just role.

[Noraa]

DBG IS SCUM HERE, WHAT I DONT KNOW IS WHO THE PARTNER MAY BE, IM NOT TOUCHING VAX

I won't question it.
Choo choo
VOTE: DGB

[Noraa]

Mom and Math probably got some sort of incriminating night action on DGB.

[Noraa]

If it was math's action, u can just out it since he's dead. But if its urs, don't out it.

[Noraa]

I wish I did

But, we still have one kill yesterday, and a proven block on a VT

doesn't that all just mean vax is scum tho?

[Noraa]

I didn't even receive maths actions, if I did you would be conftown

doesn't matter. u believe I'm town and that trust is enough to clear me millions of times imo. from what I've seen of u, ur reads are very very good and I trust them with my life.

I reread trees a few days ago. You nailed both scum really fast and were the only one to get it right.

[Noraa]

No, Vax is a proven PGO regardless of alignment

And DBG yesterday chose to lynch PGO over her blocker. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective

then what happened to the nk.

[Noraa]

Ok I see what ur saying. DGB would probably doubt Guillo before thinking vax's claim is fake.

[Noraa]

from my perspective, there are a few ways to explain this.

Either Vax is not PGO, but rather a scum pr that doesn't want investigative on him or just a scum, so scum killed Flea
Vax is a town PGO. Scum no killed for strategic reasons or they forgot to submit a nk.
Vax is scum PGO. Scum no killed because they forgot to submit the nk.

[Noraa]

Math targeted me and I'm not a PGO so that means that scum did nk him. Nothing happened to tonight's nk. DGB who did u block?

[Noraa]

Mom and Math probably got some sort of incriminating night action on DGB.

It's impossible, I am town and a roleblocker.

Why was Vax's claim being fake more possible than guillo being blocked scum?

[Noraa]

Why didn't you push guillo then :O

[Noraa]

I don’t fully trust Momrangals judgement regardless of them being Town, sorry bud.

Mom has incredible reads.

[Noraa]

Im a lot more level headed than yesterday. Math was really messing with my head calling me scum in every other post.
I just died in a game and am feeling a lot better about everything.
I won't run around calling everyone scum today lol

[Noraa]

I haven’t seen them yet, so I can’t just trust someone’s words which I don’t believe in.

you modded shady trees. Mom was the only one with the right solve.

[Noraa]

They knew one scum from the start, not hard to find the connection to you and then the traitor.

Although I don’t recall much of that game I barely read it I was too busy

I still pretty firmly believe mom has incredible reads.

[Noraa]

Mom reminds me a lot of Mush.

[Noraa]

Mod more or less confirmed Vax pgo

If vax is PGO, I would say he would have to be town.

scum PGO don't no kill there

[Noraa]

I tend to have solid town-seeking reads, and you’ve said as much as well. We both have opposing reads, which is right lol

Who are your TRs. I do believe you have solid TRs that's correct.

[Noraa]

I also, very, very much have a natural strong distaste for buddying up

Just putting this out there

:3 idc I wanna buddy u!

[Noraa]

Starting work again be back soon

okie bb!

[Noraa]

maybe the scum just ... forgot to submit?

[Noraa]

its happened before. one of my first games ever, night actions had to be submitted by pms and my scum buddy forgot to submit so we nokilled. Imma go check the OP to see if it has to be pms.

[Noraa]

hm ... the OP doesn't say that.

[Noraa]

well then. either we have a BP or the scum no killed. (assuming vax is town PGO)

[Noraa]

Clearly the ranger is not a mason.

The role PM doesn't lie.

What is going on here?

its flavor ....
don't shade the masons :/

[Noraa]

Let's not assume, maybe they figured out in thread that they have the same role name and decided to fakeclaim masons.

wtf....

[Noraa]

Press x to doubt

....................................................


Infinity/DGB?

[Noraa]

To be clear, I was doubting the idea that the masons were fakeclaiming.

oh got it.

[Noraa]

So I also saw it say rangers but it never once crossed my mind that they were lying. But earlier they had specifically said their flavor was called rangers.

Im weirded out that DGB's first thought was "IS THAT FAKE"

[Noraa]

YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T GOING TO DO THIS

well I thought they were both saying the mason claim was bullshit and that does look really bad so yeah.

[Noraa]

she's in the scum pool via POE however there was a moment, where it became clear at least to me that the Nora that's playing here is, and was an entirely different person than the one who was playing in JVs game.

mom I really wanna know my town tells. tell me plssssss

[Noraa]

Do we full mass-claim here? If there’s no other protective, which I would have thought would be on Math, Roleblocker is almost definitely a Town role over a scum one, unless of course they’re red checked.

Unless you got a secret to tell the class, full claims are already out there

We specifically told protective to claim Vt

We already covered the fact that math and I believed infinity to be the secret vt and they did not move at all last night.

The only option left is Nora and if she was such a role I feel like she would have already claimed it.

Specifically, she said she said use the rc on her because she's going to come up VT

well technically that could have been bc I only want the masons to know.

[Noraa]

ok so mom should be thinking the solve is Mark/Infinity if we clear DGB and Vax and me.

[Noraa]

The problem is I don't really know much about setup spec and last time I got convinced to trust all the prs were town, one was scum and we nearly lost the game if not for the scum pr guiltying a town vengeful

[Noraa]

Mom is the setup spec that DGB has to be town bc lack of town power correct?

[Noraa]

Infinity did not move last night

that's not a clear since there are 2 scum.

[Noraa]

Mom is the setup spec that DGB has to be town bc lack of town power correct?

from my perspective, both masons are power roles so that is like ++++town power. I don't think a RBer is necessary? Again, I suck at setup spec.

[Noraa]

It is true that I am not a protective. I am a vt.

[Noraa]

The problem is I don't really know much about setup spec and last time I got convinced to trust all the prs were town, one was scum and we nearly lost the game if not for the scum pr guiltying a town vengeful

Lmao except there was a secret town BP vengeful there.

were u in that game? I dont remember .... u being there O-o

[Noraa]

right I feel like we've been over this already O_O

[Noraa]

Mom is the setup spec that DGB has to be town bc lack of town power correct?

from my perspective, both masons are power roles so that is like ++++town power. I don't think a RBer is necessary? Again, I suck at setup spec.

If there’s no protective what’s the real use of a scum roleblocker. Blocking the investigatives? Just kill them. It doesn’t fit as a scum role that’s why I said earlier if they’re a roleblocker they’re Town.

Momrangal can I ask where Math checked last night so I know where the visit was?

well if DGB is scum, they could literally just be a goon and not a RBer at all.

[Noraa]

What dumb did you do lol

I looked at 4:2 and thought 2 is half of 4

2 is half of 4....

[Noraa]

I'm thinking DBG/mark scum team

why are we killing vax today then?

[Noraa]

This mark!scum suggestion is actually making me laugh so hard bc the moment the game started, I felt something off but then slowly convinced myself that I was wrong(typically my day 1 SRs are all town)

[Noraa]

Is my solving ability getting better :OOOOOO

[Noraa]

(typically my day 1 SRs are all town)

like legit half my town games, all of my SRs day 1 are town.

[Noraa]

was

O_O

[Noraa]

is nero a bastard mod?

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

I'm thinking DBG/mark scum team

why are we killing vax today then?

Because tomorrow is LYLO and he is a terrible person to be in such a position. Possibly the worst person ever to be in a LYLO and I'm hoping that Vax flipping town removes all the extra noise

sounds good. well I'm now on autopilot. I'll be on the lookout for scum outside of your solve but I bow down to all your reads and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the scum team really was just Mark/DGB/Pig

[Noraa]

But mom can you tell me where you realized I was town? I wanna know my town tellsssssss

[Noraa]

Said it before and I'll say it again, I'm 90% sure DGB has to be town based on setup spec.

setup spec doesn't always matter
it could just be a scum sided game.

[Noraa]

But mom can you tell me where you realized I was town? I wanna know my town tellsssssss

Maybe if you actually flip town.

Also not all tells can be articulated

try ur best. I wanna knowww.

[Noraa]

Noraa
Marky Mark
DrippingGoofball
JacksonVirgo
Infinity 324

This is the composition that I'm expecting tomorrow.

I'm also expecting tomorrow to be LYLO

I don't think DBG should get let off the hook tomorrow, I don't think Nora should be looked at tomorrow.

I'm thinking DBG/mark scum team

Pedit: it is

I looked at that and thought that and my mind believed that scum will compromise half of town

See, this is exactly why I do not trust your judgment. You say you assume tomorrow is LYLO, meaning you're voting who you think is Town which is stupid. You also say that in LYLO we should NOT look at Noraa which is plain stupidity as LYLO is where you should look at EVERYTHING you possibly can to not lose. You also say that you're confident that it's a DGB/Mark scum-team even though I've been constantly saying why I think DGB is mechanically Town unless a protective claims, which nobody has yet to debunk outside of Noraa but as they said they don't have setup speculation experience and it appears they don't as well (sorry Noraa :C). You say Mark is likely Town because of their claim yet COMPLETELY contradict yourself here by saying you're thinking of a DGB/Mark scum-team. Either you're witholding or even lying about information, in which I won't accept, or you're just absolutely bonkers and repeat my first eleven words. In addition, you state the obvious by listing everyone who will be alive except the person we are voting and yourself who would probably get shot tonight as you're a Mason.

Mark is not likely town bc of a claim. I believe mom suspects mark of being a mafia goon. Rolecop on mafia goon will show up same as vt.

[Noraa]

I think it's important to recognize when someone's out of their scum range and I think most people who only have one scum game on site couldn't fake what mark is doing this game, much less someone who was limmed d1 in their only scumgame

My first three games on site were all scum games and half the players all said there was no way noobscum could be this good.

[Noraa]

I'm also not expecting anyone else to look at anyone else but vax and even if I manage to convince to get another lynch, people will still look at Vax tomorrow

ngl, if u are sure vax is town, u should push a SR of urs today bc Jacko has a point. U probably die tonight.

[Noraa]

Ah okay that makes more sense now you put it like that.

I did not understand that. explain.

[Noraa]

@Noraa, @Infinity, what's your current reads on the other. I am asking this for a reason, but I cannot say until you both answer (and if I remember).

Dunno. Was pretty certain he was scum at one point but I also suck ass at reading infinity so that's fun.

[Noraa]

@everyone

, when you see this post. Quote it and full-claim with any results you have regardless of previous plans as we're either in LYLO or we're going into a LYLO after tonight and I would like to treat this as LYLO for safety. Also write a tier-list for reads and a brief description about why that read is the case whether that be mechanical, gut or anything. Scum usually have weak ass reasonings where Town wouldn't.

Let me reiterate.

If there is a protective, DGB is likely counterclaimed by your role and thus forcing the 1v1 in a likely LYLO or the day before LYLO is the pro-town move.

@Momrangal

, I want to clarify what Math's results were as they have multiple abilities. Or did they still get two vanilla results on Mark and Guillotina?

@Vaxkiller

, explain how exactly your role works. EXACTLY, but do not copy+paste (or fake one if you're scum) as that's not allowed. If you are Town and if this is LYLO you are putting us in a very very bad position.

@Noraa, @Infinity

, what's your current reads on the other. I am asking this for a reason, but I cannot say until you both answer (and if I remember).

@Mark

, is there a reason that you've become non-existant in this game where in other Town games you're one of the most active?

@DGB

, can you explain why you roleblocked who you did the previous two nights and also claim if you have at least one roleblock remaining.

Let's have a stab at this

I'm straight-up VT (best role in the game IMO as 0 pressure)
I have been less active mainly due to the Christmas break, which I am spending with the family. I thought this would mean that I had way more time to be active on here, but the reality is that we have been doing a lot of stuff together IRL. Sorry! It also doesn't help that most of the posting and interactions seem to take place overnight for me, due to that being evening in the US.

I totally get people SRing me here based on my play this game, but would like to hear from people who are as to why so that I can have a stab at sorting them between town and opportunistic scum.

We've not heard back from DGB ref who they blocked last night have we? That would certainly help with a solve. I hadn't considered the setup spec angle of sorting DGB's slot, so will mull over that, but I can deffo see the guilty on pig as being a potential bus (seems like good scumplay imo).

One thing that crossed my mind last night is that if DGB is scum then there was no blocked kill N1 so potentially JV could be scum too and using the vig thing as a gambit (ie kill Toog N1 with factional kill and claim it was a vig shot).

Noraa is my top TR atm - I just feel like we've been thinking along similar lines for much of the game so far. I can see Vax being scum here based on llama's play and the late PGO claim. Tbh I honestly thought the solve was Infin/Guillo, but now having to revealuate my life after Guillo flipped town and infinity got a negative on the motion detector last night. Will wait and see what DGB has to say about their result, but am v likely going to vote within Vax/DGB today.

wdym 0 pressure?
if ur a pr, u have even less pressure....
Also .... say what?
yesterday you kept saying I could be scum but now that consensus is like "Noraa is town", u flip that?!

[Noraa]

@MarkyPoo

, from memory you acted incredibly nonchalant regarding my vigi claim as if you expected the claim due to some form of TMI. I also remember a few weak ass interactions with Piggy that seemed like distancing when I re-read around my claim. I'm not gonna push on the activity thing as holiday's is a fine excuse although I feel it's been relatively all game which is a much different tone and energy whacker than I expect from town!you.


Infinity has been blatantly copying my reads over and over and I feel it's either a pocket attempt or my reads which are being copied are god-tier, although the latter is probably not the case as nobody else seems to be bothered to even read or acknowledge them.

ooof jacko ur looking a bit flaily here :/
conveniently right after mark suggests DGB/Jacko.
And then u OMGUS.

hm. *sigh*
I haven't actually thought about DGB scum = Jacko scum but I think that's actually only half correct bc if DGB scum, the Pig kill wasn't blocked. They used it on Toog. Jacko claimed toog. They might've doublekilled

If I remember correctly, DGB also waited an enormous amount of time before claiming the block. It honestly does look like buscred if we look at it from that perspective.

[Noraa]

Also DGB was the pig hammer. Generally if u blocked that person and a vig claimed the shot, you immediately vote them even if u don't reveal the block yet.

[Noraa]

VOTE: DGB

[Noraa]

I think I see what Mom sees.

[Noraa]

hm. *sigh*
I haven't actually thought about DGB scum = Jacko scum but I think that's actually only half correct bc if DGB scum, the Pig kill wasn't blocked. They used it on Toog. Jacko claimed toog. They might've doublekilled

If I remember correctly, DGB also waited an enormous amount of time before claiming the block. It honestly does look like buscred if we look at it from that persp

so to finish on the half correct thing, if dgb was jacko's partner and wanted to prove the claim, they would've outed earlier and not waited that long?

[Noraa]

I'm also not expecting anyone else to look at anyone else but vax and even if I manage to convince to get another lynch, people will still look at Vax tomorrow

ngl, if u are sure vax is town, u should push a SR of urs today bc Jacko has a point. U probably die tonight.

If my reads are wrong, I don't want Vax around because I'm unable to defend him. I feel like keeping vax around will cost us the game.

that serious?
Alright. I believe in ur judgement.

VOTE: Vax

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:

Don't want to lynch prematurely. Stuff still need to be done

UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

@Noraa - you say that I've flipped my read on you, but tbh I was chiming with you all through yesterday. I pointed out some LAMIST stuff around twilight iirc, but that doesn't mean I was hard SRing you, just that I was pointing out stuff as I saw it. If anything, I held people to account when they were trying to push for your lim over G's. I just feel on a pretty similar page to you with a lot of stuff, eg you pointing out how JV had been flailing after I suggested the DGB/JV idea

yeah I didn't like that stuff at twilight.

[Noraa]

I don't think you did ever explain how you thought I was telling TPRs what to do, so I hope you can see how it looked liked busywork fmpov

it seemed like you were so I told u to stop.

[Noraa]

FML

[Noraa]

FML FML FML

[Noraa]

VOTE: DGB

Mom said it's right. It is right. She knew vax was town. She knows DGB is scum.

[Noraa]

Noraa you realize scum can quickhammer right?

I mean I'm ok with it if you are. Just letting you know.

scum won't quick hammer one of their own but for now I'll UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

Mom says the scum team is DGB/Mark.

[Noraa]

I will talk zero logic at this point honestly. Yesterday was a huge misstep for me(the hammer was bullshit) but Mom knew vax was town. She told us the solve. Our job is as easy as can be.

[Noraa]

Like I fucked over yesterday but if we kill both scum, that won't matter.

[Noraa]

Who do you think is DGB's partner?

@JV Why did you shoot n1 if you think your role is negative utility?

Jacko claimed day 1 vig

[Noraa]

Yeah but if you think it's negative utility you shouldn't shoot right?

its better to shoot than not tho and plus day 1, its low risk.

[Noraa]

Hectic stole my page top >:(

[Noraa]

*kicks pichu*

[Noraa]

wait no.
*kicks imposter gloria*

[Noraa]

pfft dgb is just scum. I don't really care if we don't even get to talk today. Lets get this scum.

VOTE: DGB

[Noraa]

It went from this:

Noraa is caught scum lashing out, calling it now.

basically when DGB thought I was a mislim option

to this:

Maybe it didn't cross your mind, Noraa, but it jumped out at me.

I did once fakeclaim masons with another townie... who went along with it

basically when DGB was like FUCK I don't think Noraa is a mislim option. Plan B! POCKET!

[Noraa]

Starting yesterday, DGB's tone has been shit.
they went from "NORAA IS CONFSCUM"
to
"Hey Noraa. Lets talk some logic. We ought to be limming blah here because blah blah"

[Noraa]

Oh Lord I'm confusing people and games again, I need to lay off the bottle.

or ur just scum.

[Noraa]

I was TRing Noraa before,

if mom got the scum team 100% correct yesterday, imma call her a mafia goddess from now on.

[Noraa]

The normal townie reaction is "Noraa fucking unvote. scum will quick hammer"

instead these two over here like
"I did TR you but that vote is ScUmMy"

[Noraa]

Incidentally, Mom (while a competent player) clearly isn't omniscient, as she was the third seat on the wagon on town yesterday.

She knew it was town all of yesterday

[Noraa]

She said vax needed to die because he would cause a town loss in lylo

[Noraa]

Every single person has posted already. DGB is confscum if you believe I am town(which you should because I am town)

[Noraa]

She had Vax as the bottom of her null pile

ok? That just means you and dgb are the solve.

[Noraa]

This is, however, a tangent. If you think I am scum then make a case so that we can talk through it and scrutinise your logic.

I don't want to unless I feel like everyone is being absolutely stupid and going down the wrong path.

[Noraa]

The quickhammer was v sus at the end of yesterday from Noraa, but I was still slightly leaning towards DGB/JV being the solve, especially as JV seemed to overeact somewhat when I raised the theory yesterday. After seeing Noraa try to sheep Mom to push DGB/me today rather than owning her suspicions, I am less sure of myself.

good. handing out free town passes is a very bad scum strategy.

[Noraa]

pfft dgb is just scum. I don't really care if we don't even get to talk today. Lets get this scum.

VOTE: DGB

Again I would like to say that they're mechanically Town unless you have logic to counter my own against why DGB's claim is not mechanically Town like I've been saying.

I'm going to wait until I fully catch up before springing something

Every single person has posted. If DGB is town, scum would've lolhammered by now.

So that means one of DGB and Me HAS to be scum. Doesn't matter if she is mech clear honestly. Maybe the setup is just scum sided. Not to mention, the scum team might just be three goons.

[Noraa]

Noraa quick-hammering there as scum is actually a pretty genius play if Noraa was scum there. As Vax/Noraa was the likely scum-team at that time, Noraa hammering there launches them into a LYLO and the read of Vax/Noraa can be abused to make them look Town if they used it right, but they didn't and they're just scum here.

I just realized another problem. If DGB were town RBer, they'd be panicking rn about getting hammered. Yet DGB shows no concern at all.

They're gonna run in and say they've lost all motivation cuz I'm being bitchy or something but no, the normal town reaction is "FUCK IDC WHO YOU ARE BUT PLS UNVOTE CUZ IF UR TOWN, THIS IS GAME OVER"

The reaction to my vote in lylo is simply not correct.

[Noraa]

What if scum have 3 goons/only a gated PR?

When I was designing normal games I was told that an all-goon setup usually needs three moderately strong Town PRs. But what's the tinfoil where you're seeing 3 goons/gated PR?

We have Jacko(1 shot vig)
Flea(fruit vender)
Math(Mason + Tracker + role cop)
Momrangal(Mason + MD)

Thats enough town power imo.

[Noraa]

Idk I just really think DGB is scum. I TR everyone else

this is basically where I'm at.

[Noraa]

You say that if DGB is Town scum would have lolhammered by now, which is LAMIST and then you counter your own argument by saying one of you both has to be scum which contradicts the perspective with the first bit. If you think a mech-clear doesn't matter, you're flailing scum. Either you're scum trying to sacrifice yourself to make your buddy look better for tomorrow or you're flailing hoping one Town makes a mistake vote and your buddy takes advantage of that.

I don't counter it.

Out of DGB and I there HAS to be a scum. Otherwise this wagon would've went thru by now.
I know I am not scum. I also because of that know DGB is scum.