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Post Post #3036 (isolation #400) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 pm

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In post 3023, Ythan wrote:A little nonsense early game about a town read on iirc Titus, a hundred wasted pages of spiraling garbage, and then an addendum about an incorrect url.
I'll even stop asking bait.

Point one, nonsense about a town read on titus.

Why is it nonsensical?

A hundred wasted pages of spiraling garbage.

How does this relate to xtoxm case?

Addendum about incorrect url.

How many people are pushing this point as a legitimate reason to vote xtoxm?
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Post Post #3038 (isolation #401) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:13 pm

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Yeah if you wanted xtoxm to live you'd either towncase xtoxm or push a legitimate scum case on me.
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Post Post #3039 (isolation #402) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:15 pm

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fuck it too many people have tmi'd xtoxm as town and literally not one of them can explain why he is town

mastina is the closest but her best argument boils down to xtoxm wouldn't play so shit as scum

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #3041 (isolation #403) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:16 pm

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If im a noise generator, you are a fucking banshee
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Post Post #3042 (isolation #404) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:16 pm

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Legitimately push a fucking scum case on me jesus
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Post Post #3044 (isolation #405) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:17 pm

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Why am i scum ythan please case me
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Post Post #3046 (isolation #406) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:18 pm

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Wanna make this a 1v1?
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Post Post #3049 (isolation #407) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:19 pm

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In post 3047, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3039, OkaPoka wrote:fuck it too many people have tmi'd xtoxm as town and literally not one of them can explain why he is town

mastina is the closest but her best argument boils down to xtoxm wouldn't play so shit as scum

UNVOTE:
I don't agree with this, but who do you think are the ones who tmi xtoxm as town
ABR and Ythan

I'd say since mastina can argue why xtoxm is town she ~might not tmi'ing
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Post Post #3051 (isolation #408) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:20 pm

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In post 3048, Ythan wrote:Wanna omgus me you mean?
why am i scum ythan why is xtoxm town these questions should not be hard to answer
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Post Post #3052 (isolation #409) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:20 pm

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you've dodged the xtoxm is town question for an entire page now
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Post Post #3055 (isolation #410) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:22 pm

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like

do you even care that xtoxm is the top wagon

saying the wagon is shit and the case is shit and refusing to dissect a single thing does exactly what
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Post Post #3056 (isolation #411) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:23 pm

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VOTE: ythan


alright then i see we shouldn't talk
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Post Post #3058 (isolation #412) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:24 pm

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do you have a clear on xtoxm?
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Post Post #3060 (isolation #413) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:26 pm

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??? your actions make literally no sense if you don't think xtoxm is town

especially if you think this day has drawn out too long
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Post Post #3062 (isolation #414) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:29 pm

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In post 3058, OkaPoka wrote:do you have a clear on xtoxm?
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Post Post #3065 (isolation #415) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:30 pm

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you know what ythan

respect the play
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Post Post #3066 (isolation #416) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:31 pm

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id do the same

its the correct play

respect <3
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Post Post #3069 (isolation #417) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:34 pm

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i know you gotta pretend its nothing but im complimenting the play ythan

i got legitimately angry but you know what, im happy now, it's damn sneaky and does play on some of the weaknesses ive shown in this game

props to you, hope you came up with it by yourself, but props for the execution anyways
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Post Post #3073 (isolation #418) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:53 pm

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I respect the rudeness dont worry about it. I've only seen it used one other time, but it really does work. Respect.

Still going to try and get you killed, but respect it anyways.

Protip: when townies insult they aren't so direct with it, its often more snide, more sarcastic you know? Something like wow I really thought x but then you did z. I suspect it has something to do with the itching feeling in the back of their head, maybe the guy I'm talking to is just wrong!town. It's that little doubt that makes them not want to be hurtful.

Also you need to show a little more escalation if you are going with the noncompliant route, if your goal is to start a fire and refuse to put it out, you have to build there a little. You can't immediately play non compliant, that just reveals your hand too much.
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Post Post #3105 (isolation #419) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:18 am

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Mathblade is fairly confident that Mastina/Xtoxm is scum. For somewhat independent reasons as well. He thinks Ceph is town and Ducky is town. Uncomfortable by hercule. There's a lot of explanation and such if we want to go deeper. I don't know if I agree with everything he says, but he brings up an interesting perspective.
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Post Post #3106 (isolation #420) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:20 am

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(There are other reads but they aren't as fleshed out and he isn't as confident/might be older stuff)
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Post Post #3110 (isolation #421) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:33 am

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Yeah

mastina is the scumread he's a lot more confident in. He thinks that mastina calling his reads very hit or miss is not how reads work, a single read does not undermine the rest of his reads and his reads aren't contingent on whether mastina thinks they are good. He thinks mastina evaluating reads based on her agenda is just not how reads work. Also he thinks mastina is tmi'ing way too much and thinks she knows way too much about how scum would be playing. Also thought her treatment of the Ceph minor wagon was very scummy and thought that she was not questioning the naked votes piling on ceph which would be what town!mastina would be doing.

xtoxm he thinks is scum because town do not need to vocalize that they need to fact check their theories, they would check it out before posting said theory in question

oh and now is adding titus is probably aligned with mastina

roughly paraphrased and jumbled

also wants xtoxm to be killed today even though he'd vig mastina
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Post Post #3111 (isolation #422) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:33 am

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he has dgb as a fat null and wants to VCA
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Post Post #3113 (isolation #423) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:36 am

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he had to go but i might've fumbled the reason on his dgb read

it might be that his reads are founded based on vca and concurrent posting and dgb couldn't be analyzed through those methodologies
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Post Post #3114 (isolation #424) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:39 am

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okay he hit me with a minor correction on dgb

it's not a null read, he just hasn't been able to analyze that slot yet
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Post Post #3117 (isolation #425) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:44 am

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tracker claim raises so many more questions than answer but i have to go for a bit now
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Post Post #3129 (isolation #426) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:09 am

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whomst does SS think we should flip today
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Post Post #3131 (isolation #427) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:14 am

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ss is a disciple of socrates i know but i must press on nevertheless
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Post Post #3137 (isolation #428) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:22 am

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ask em about ythan
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Post Post #3150 (isolation #429) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:03 pm

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abr how do you feel about ythan
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Post Post #3154 (isolation #430) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:09 pm

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missing mastina
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Post Post #3157 (isolation #431) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:11 pm

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have you played with ythan before?
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Post Post #3160 (isolation #432) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:13 pm

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is him being like this a normal thing
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Post Post #3184 (isolation #433) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:49 pm

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if we aren't yeeting xtoxm today we are yeeting xtoxm never until lylo just want to make that clear
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Post Post #3190 (isolation #434) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:52 pm

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In post 3185, AGar wrote:
In post 3184, OkaPoka wrote:if we aren't yeeting xtoxm today we are yeeting xtoxm never until lylo just want to make that clear
What why
you just have to play it this way barring someone guiltying xtoxm or equivalent
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Post Post #3193 (isolation #435) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:53 pm

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In post 3191, AGar wrote:
In post 3190, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 3185, AGar wrote:
In post 3184, OkaPoka wrote:if we aren't yeeting xtoxm today we are yeeting xtoxm never until lylo just want to make that clear
What why
you just have to play it this way barring someone guiltying xtoxm or equivalent
... No?
just run the scenarios through your head of what advantage you get from doing what and you will agree with me, think big picture, don't think about finding the next scum, think about what scum needs to do to win and how you can prevent that
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Post Post #3196 (isolation #436) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:55 pm

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either a) we trust xtoxm TRACKER claim and we let him out information until we hit lylo and then we can judgement call on him then or b) we do not trust the claim and flip him now

reconsidering him every day is the worst path regardless of what xtoxm actually is
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Post Post #3200 (isolation #437) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:56 pm

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In post 3197, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3184, OkaPoka wrote:if we aren't yeeting xtoxm today we are yeeting xtoxm never until lylo just want to make that clear
Let's not act like it's beyond him to fakeclaim tracker

Or to actually be tracker, but scum

Why would we leave him until the end of the game based off of that claim
That's why we make the judgement call today dunnstral
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Post Post #3207 (isolation #438) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:01 pm

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Another way to phrase it is, if you are going to spend every day from now scrutinizing xtoxm's tracker claim and trying to wagon there, you should flip him today.
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Post Post #3209 (isolation #439) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:02 pm

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Do I need to continue explaining theory? or do we get it
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Post Post #3213 (isolation #440) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:05 pm

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In post 3210, Ythan wrote:I think a more cogent point is that we don't spare him for one night if we're set on launching him tomorrow. No we don't necessarily leave him alive until lylo depending on what develops.
yeah i guess this is a better way to phrase it

if we are going to be set on wagoning him every day and attempting to yeet him, we vote him off now.
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Post Post #3214 (isolation #441) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:07 pm

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the important thing to consider about a tracker claim is the +ev is very very low. on average its not going to be helpful especially in a large.

however it has a high volatility in the sense that it could be big

consider the scum POV and the idea of risk aversion
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Post Post #3219 (isolation #442) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:22 pm

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i want to see ducky's thoughts on ythan then tbh
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Post Post #3234 (isolation #443) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:35 pm

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In post 3232, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3196, OkaPoka wrote:either a) we trust xtoxm TRACKER claim and we let him out information until we hit lylo and then we can judgement call on him then or b) we do not trust the claim and flip him now

reconsidering him every day is the worst path regardless of what xtoxm actually is
Will we believe any results?
it'll be hard to believe results without flips but its just how it goes, its a messy situation, but its interesting and can be subject to post game analysis
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Post Post #3237 (isolation #444) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:38 pm

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i think im the one who is pushing now or never
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Post Post #3242 (isolation #445) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:46 pm

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are you buddying me dgb ;-;
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Post Post #3247 (isolation #446) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:48 pm

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in times like these i pray for radiantcowbells
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Post Post #3260 (isolation #447) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:02 pm

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why are we still talking about the pt thing it literally has never mattered
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Post Post #3264 (isolation #448) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:06 pm

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math thinks dgb is scum idk honestly im going to let this game continue to free fall
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Post Post #3268 (isolation #449) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:10 pm

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this game is just idk
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Post Post #3277 (isolation #450) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:00 pm

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In post 3273, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3214, OkaPoka wrote:the important thing to consider about a tracker claim is the +ev is very very low. on average its not going to be helpful especially in a large.
This is so short-sighted it hurt when I read it. I think you're only talking about "direct guilties", as in "I tracked this person to the dead person". But how about "I'm a VT" -> "No, you're not. I saw you visit this player"? Or "I visited A50 on N1, Oka on N2" -> "That's a lie. I was on you on N2 and you didn't go anywhere"? Trackers are
strong
informative roles. the +ev is never "very very low"
sure but trackers are also very easy for scum to play against
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Post Post #3318 (isolation #451) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:02 am

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its a little bit funny

this feeling by you-u

voting all these slots don't

have any value
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Post Post #3323 (isolation #452) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:08 am

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i don't have more votes but, boy if i did

id yeet ythan now - right off the ship


if i TMI'd heh, then again no

or a man who can't explan, slots nobody knows
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Post Post #3324 (isolation #453) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:10 am

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i know its not much, but its the best i can do

my gift is my vote and this one's for you
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Post Post #3328 (isolation #454) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:15 am

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MathBlade would like to send many virtual hugs to you mastina

he also says your still scum and abr is scum and titus is scum or at least nuke all those slots, he seems very very confident about this

also he thinks dgb is scum and getting bussed

i would like to yeet ythan tho

i will also send hugs

now back to the scheduled programming
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Post Post #3330 (isolation #455) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:33 am

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write your appeal in the form of song or general poetry with rhyming etc.
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Post Post #3332 (isolation #456) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:36 am

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nevermind mathblade is incredibly lame and appreciates the reach out and will move you to null
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Post Post #3345 (isolation #457) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:46 am

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dont fucking read your pms for fuck sake
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