Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

im still ascetic

not if Pooky targets you tonight you aren't.

I don't get a choice of who I target,

I automatically target the players at either end of the mechanical player list

you knew it was from Xtoxm from what was said in the message?

it was signed ~Xtoxm

Noted.

Yeah, I'm pretty okay with Starcrossed town.

[Flavor Leaf]

starcrossed is never scum without xtoxm also being scum, and even then isn't necessarily scum with xtoxm, and xtoxm doesn't really have a reason to bail starcrossed out right here, so scum is on the xtoxm wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: chara

why Chara over Gamma Emerald?

For what it's worth, Chara is my 2nd pick, but I'm gut town reading them

[Flavor Leaf]

you should.

not because i'd want to see it, or anything, but.

i'm not sure about judging the xtoxm wagon on speed, you did call for it, Flavor.
i unfortunately have no read on him, but i'll give Gamma a crack.

This is the one that was scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

you should.

not because i'd want to see it, or anything, but.

i'm not sure about judging the xtoxm wagon on speed, you did call for it, Flavor.
i unfortunately have no read on him, but i'll give Gamma a crack.

This is the one that was scummy.

the second one, not the first one

[Flavor Leaf]

Ydrasse

- top of my world


Hopkirk - you already know


Starcrossed - Kanna is my buddy. Pooky is my bear. I also just explained my town read here.


Unwnd - Could be a gambit, but Unwnd's been trying to get my attention a lot, especially Day 1, and the claiming of scum is something weird if scum, and it makes sense if they are town.

Xtoxm - Risky scum play, I genuinely don't think Xtoxm would have claimed the disloyal part of his role as scum, and think that's a genuine town claim. Could be wrong.

Chara - they were getting pushed heavily day 1, honorary on the Gamma wagon, but honestly, if Gamma is scum, I think this is p townie, however, they did make some posts I did not like, like the one about the Xtoxm wagon being called for, but I think they're misfade bait this game.


Venus Mars and Pluto - Could be scum, but this is Nancy town meta, and she'll let me know it if I push her, even if she is scum. I understand her argument against skitter.

skitter30 - Skitter's made some wacky things that I don't like, but I do think she's town told a bit with the hesitance at the end of stuff, which is something I've seen her do when she hard pushes me as scum when I am town. See TENET, see another game, see probably another game.

Catboi - genuine vanilla claim, I liked it, nice wall. Not enough for me to locktown them, but I generally like what I see.


RCEnigma - hasn't done much, usually I'm pretty good at reading them, but I don't know if Hectic picks them if he knows my history with RCE, and I don't even know RCE-Hectic dynamic if it's even a thing. There were a few votes Day 1 I did not like by them.

Morning Tweet - Ascetic Miller is a weird claim, but I think there's some towniness in their post. Finding scum on Gamma Emerald, wagonimcally, makes me feel this isn't scum, but they're definitely misfade possibility for Hectic if they are town.

Titus - didn't like their Day 1 at all. If Lunar is town, this is probably scum, but they seemed willing to be faded today, but they also hopped on Unwnd early after we talked about her being the hammer. She also stole the Ydrasse hammer, which could be trying to get on the wagon.

Lunar Martian - There's the potential that they were scum who thought they were in a direct 1v1, but I don't think they come up with this on their own, so it'd have to be a Hectic play. I read them a little bit townie, and unfortunately, I think this will be a misfade this game if they are town.

Firebringer - I have like nothing on FB, and usually I'm pretty good at town reading them.


Gamma Emerald - been a lot of things I don't like, the early wagon on them could have been dannfloor bussing early, that e-1 xtoxm vote was rough.


Tiers are divided by double spaces

[Flavor Leaf]

okay you're kinda being a dunce if you're looking at me+dann interactions and thinking that was a bus
like, I voted him very early on and never left, and I'm p sure I had the chance to

unfortunately, that's part of dannflorr's scum meta.

[Flavor Leaf]

Interesting tidbit, but probably a coincidence: Pooky claimed the message in our PT just before Xtoxm claimed it in the main thread.

interesting is indeed the word for it. hmm

[Flavor Leaf]

what about my scum meta eh?

i can see you being town here, sure

[Flavor Leaf]

I really think that early Gamma wagon is being way over emphasized, I'm pretty sure i vote that as either alignment 100% of the time so for me at least personally it is way too early to be AI

other than that ya dunno why we're voting Gamma whereas i dont exactly buy Charas progression on me so theres something at least. will defer if there are better reasons for Gamma obviously

you realize I specifically caught dannfloor because of that, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

well, I did. It was the primary chain, supplemented by multiple chains, and dannfloor and hectic both know it.

[Flavor Leaf]

that chara vote of yours is rather momentum swingin. I wonder what happens next, Ascetic Miller.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, you're right.

VOTE: Morning Tweet

TMI'd

[Flavor Leaf]

honestly, it's an Ascetic Miller claim, let's just kill here, and move on to tomorrow. They're gonna be misfaded eventually if town anyways

[Flavor Leaf]

boo!

[Flavor Leaf]

Tinfoil Gamma/Xtoxm scum team, and they pulled a Flavor Leaf, but I’ll let that go for a bit

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn, Gamma, if you legit pulled that off here, props to you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m happy full sending this MT fade, though.

Ydrasse can have the hammer when it’s time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m like 90% MT is scum.

They started Hatcheting me oddly, and they were discrediting me in a way where I think they knew Gamma was town, so when I flipped it on them, they absolutely knew they were caught in the moment, which explains their playstyle change.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t hate that wall at all, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn.

That 10% looking possible

[Flavor Leaf]

FL i stand by that you didnt catch Dann based off an RVS wagon, IMO its very unlikely that was telling

I disagree. I knew 100% for a fact there was scum on that wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

And in addition the other reasons that I saw later in the day, I was like extremely positive Dannfloor was flipping scum.

That’s wagonomics for you

[Flavor Leaf]

im willing to wait it out on MT, tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

the reads list was fire

[Flavor Leaf]

good stuff, MT, either alignment. Neither would be more impressive, that's how fire that post was.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm going to do some wagonomics here sometime. Can someone remind me of all the claims that have happened?

[Flavor Leaf]

skitter, nancy, can I get read lists from both of you?

[Flavor Leaf]

it really sucks being into fashion in this day and age where I barely get to go out and about

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel isolated from my mafia mindset right now

My brain is still in the process of just moving and soaking in my new environment, I don't really feel like sitting down and doing mafia things still

Apologies for that regardless, but I'm sure this funk will pass

bruh, I got you. Take the time you need before returning, you aren't a Day 2 fade.

You will draw the night kill, or be able to help us out tremendously in a few day phases

[Flavor Leaf]

skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Tweetie

my tender heart can't handle these swings!

I'll take you on a ride, and push you at a nice calming level, just keep swinging on the playground

[Flavor Leaf]

Venus, did you really take a nyaa and use that for your read on MT?

[Flavor Leaf]

does Auro wanna play Hackey Sack at all with me this game?

I don't think he has to catch up. I'll get some stuff eventually down that I want Auro to check out for me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Venus, did you really take a nyaa and use that for your read on MT?

I interpreted it as Ydrasse not sr her.

And I’m not Venus btw. Shiro=Venus, I’m Mars, Auro=Pluto.

this happens every game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm like so bad at remember hydras

[Flavor Leaf]

does Auro wanna play Hackey Sack at all with me this game?

I don't think he has to catch up. I'll get some stuff eventually down that I want Auro to check out for me.

He’s beeh more active here than he was in CoD. He barely posted anything in that game.

but he my boo thang

[Flavor Leaf]

i don't think i can read Tweet properly, if that list was apparently so towny.
though i recognize it's a bad idea to base that feeling on Tweet's scumread on me including that i'm disconnected with the game right now, when she's also feeling that way and is apparently town. :/

but i don't have a strong reason to SR her. i guess i'm just upset with the state of things.

I like this post.

[Flavor Leaf]

Chara, you're doing great this game, by the way.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like if you're town, you are absolutely killing it.

And if you're scum, you're doing a fantastic job considering I essentially came into this game expecting you to be scum based on draft pick alone.

[Flavor Leaf]

Skitter, here's the thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

You've come so far since that game we were scum in with Eddie Cane, a game I look back at very fondly, and I truly think you have turned into a fantastic scum player, unparalleled in the specific things you do.

Unfortunately, this is also a reason that I believe you are scum.

You are doing an insane job right now, and I am physically town reading you. Everything you have done is townie. Even the way you are questioning reads and having doubts on slots. Like oh my god, skitter.

I think you're playing at a high level.

However, I also have access to this floor that you are on, and frankly, I've seen this track because I too think it is a good track, I've rented it out a few times myself. I am just so familiar with the role that you've been playing this game, and the fact that I was naturally town reading you...doesn't make sense.

You and I both know I don't town read you when you're town like that. And yes, you did bring it up that it was weird that I was, but I think it's exactly what ScumSkitter would do too.

And I really just don't think Hectic picks Nancy and Co, even though I am individually lean scum reading her.

[Flavor Leaf]

Skitter, here's the thing.

You've come so far since that game we were scum in with Eddie Cane, a game I look back at very fondly, and I truly think you have turned into a fantastic scum player, unparalleled in the specific things you do.

Unfortunately, this is also a reason that I believe you are scum.

You are doing an insane job right now, and I am physically town reading you. Everything you have done is townie. Even the way you are questioning reads and having doubts on slots. Like oh my god, skitter.

I think you're playing at a high level.

However, I also have access to this floor that you are on, and frankly, I've seen this track because I too think it is a good track, I've rented it out a few times myself. I am just so familiar with the role that you've been playing this game, and the fact that I was naturally town reading you...doesn't make sense.

You and I both know I don't town read you when you're town like that. And yes, you did bring it up that it was weird that I was, but I think it's exactly what ScumSkitter would do too.

And I really just don't think Hectic picks Nancy and Co, even though I am individually lean scum reading her.

[Flavor Leaf]

Was talking about Skitter in that post, I thought I was going to finish it faster than I did.

But yeah, I expected Skitter/Chara to be the best drafts for this game for multiple reasons. Player ability, hectic/flavor familiarity checks, not the base obvious level, so with the addition of town reading Starcrossed, Ydrasse, Hopkirk, and Xtoxm, I think you just are scum here. I see the path and the play you're doing it completely if you are indeed scum here. I'm about 80% which is rather high.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like if you're town, you are absolutely killing it.

And if you're scum, you're doing a fantastic job considering I essentially came into this game expecting you to be scum based on draft pick alone.

yeah, i get that. i signed up wondering if i'd be a draft pick and expecting it to come up in discussion.

i don't feel like i'm killing it, i'm unhappy with where my focus has been so far. but i appreciate the sentiment, it is rather motivating.

I am solidly town reading you, Chara, you're doing something right.

[Flavor Leaf]

i'm upset that skitter and Tweet think i'm scum. it is silly, i know.

Tweet's read is fair, i suppose, considering i also SRed her, though i thought i explained why that was. but seeing that reason along with being disconnected when she's also feeling that way is a little... presented without irony i'm just going to frown at it.

and this game has reminded me that a lot of things the majority of players look at in mafia when determining reads are tools i don't use/don't agree with the significance of.
just, seeing several players all agree that X action is scummy, or Y action is towny, it makes me feel very misaligned with the meta as a whole when i don't agree.
i know i shouldn't be bogged down in it.

pedit: this was a response to Nancy.

don't be ashamed to be misaligned with the meta, I've never been in meta here once

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer and Skitter, I think it's hilarious if you're S/S right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

oh my gosh, you totally are

[Flavor Leaf]

FL please i can't handle you scumreading skitter when i only changed my read on her because i felt stupid for scumreading her p l e a s e

I think she pushed you to get rid of your scum read on her.

She came off like a town leader because of it. I think you caught her, Chara.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Skitter

Let's see what happens.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man, Chara, I feel so bad.

I think it's Firebringer and Skitter.

Firebringer has town read me in games like 3-4 games in a row, and has been one of the only people in those games to do so, and back me up/sheep me. He is my loyal puppy.

And now that I'm actually conf town, and he's the person I have the least agency with this game....LOL

[Flavor Leaf]

I do incept things into Firebringer's head.

Last year's Team Mafia BEFORE I SLIPPED, I had Firebringer not sure if I was straight up trolling him in every single post or if I was legit.

good times

[Flavor Leaf]

i had 5/6 poe'd scum day 1 in tenet.....im so sad

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like FL is going to wagon every single player in the game today

that's how you know I'm town!

[Flavor Leaf]

I am still annoyed u self hammered. And annoyed i voted u flavor

Well, I thought I'd make it back into the game later, but then game ended too fast.

I was hoping to make a Resurrection solve. The star moment possibility came for me. That would have been the divine move.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh yeah, I replaced into that game too

[Flavor Leaf]

what if we all just fell under chara hypnosis except for skitter.

i mean, something similar happened, I hope you understand the correct conclusion behind that

[Flavor Leaf]

I think skitter's pretty obviously scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think skitter's pretty obviously scum here.

yeah but u think im scum too tho

nah, im past that. im with ya now

[Flavor Leaf]

I love me some Mandibuzz.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I spent so much time in that battle tree. I got me that shiny dratini

[Flavor Leaf]

i think the 3d could have been fine, but I think the games have just been a shell of what they used to be story/general play through wise.

[Flavor Leaf]

i also love Mandibuzz. <333
a vulture pokmon was long overdue.

Yeah, it really grew on me. 7th gen I like more than I feel I should because I like Salazzle and Silvally, because Silvally's like me, lost, pieced together, and evolved through high friendship.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've played every pokemon as they came out essentially since Gen 1, I was the right age when pokemon got big.

[Flavor Leaf]

anyone play pokemon stadium 2? That chansey minigame, 100% every time.

[Flavor Leaf]

lol, skitty

[Flavor Leaf]

i've been avoiding the thread for a bit because i've been a little afraid of how toxic it must have gotten while i was away. hectic actually changed one of our discord dnd servers from a picture of FlavorLeaf's face to a mario related picture so... yeah.

if someone could post 'it's not that toxic' somewhere on this page somewhere then i'll be able to catch up tonight

hot damn, toxins flying all over the place

[Flavor Leaf]

She had some hesitation in voting for Danfloor - is that something she fakes if she knows he is red and doomed? I think probably not - there's no gain from standing in front of a speeding train driven by the GREATEST TOWN PLAYER OF ALL TIME.

I disagree. This is something I have actively called out for as town skitter in other games. I think, skitter on her game, always would do this at this point in time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh i'm not sure i do as scum for a buddy, but i'm susceptible to getting skitish/nervous as hammer approaches as town

Yeah, I thought you were town telling at the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I can't see one of Chara/Skitter/Ydrasse not being picked this game.

And frankly, I'm town reading Chara pretty heavily right now.

But if you'd like to case Ydrasse, I wouldn't be opposed to hearing it.

[Flavor Leaf]

PS I still want to here Xtoxm's reasoning for why he sent the message to me and why he didnt push me when i failed to mention anime in the beginning of the day.

i was building up to it. i like subtlety. then you dropped the post and it was strong, and have since revealed extra info (my name signing). you got the memo.

Spoiler:

did y'all have fun in the night

my read on starcrossed

i sent you the message bc boon asked for invests to be on you and im a good boi
also i left it til the final hours of deadline, hadn't read the pages prior to my entry and had to make a decision

Good shot, xtoxm...

Everytime Xtoxm talks, I town read him.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I can't see one of Chara/Skitter/Ydrasse not being picked this game.

And frankly, I'm town reading Chara pretty heavily right now.

But if you'd like to case Ydrasse, I wouldn't be opposed to hearing it.

I just think it's Skitter, ydr, if you're scum here, you already know you're winning.

[Flavor Leaf]

Please, Ydrasse knows I'm pocketed.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the last one is ur best bet

why? did he tell you in the scum pt?! Ohhhh....

[Flavor Leaf]

Guys, I'm starting to get doubts on Skitter.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nahhhh, I'm not gonna fade her

[Flavor Leaf]

My dastardly charms are working!!!!

when did skitter become so charming :O

she knows it's my weakness!!!!! aaaah

[Flavor Leaf]

I know you're not fl <3

I was talking about Ydrasse.

Jury's still out for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Is my heart really about to be split into 2, and am I going to have to pick between Chara and Ydrasse...

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd prefer to stay on Skitter for now, but Titus can easily be scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm almost willing to townblock with Unwnd, that's how high I'm town reading him right now.

He just made sure he never end games as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

yay

[Flavor Leaf]

Skitter, Venus, Titus, Gamma, Catboii, RCE

contain all the remaining scum, I feel.

[Flavor Leaf]

[Flavor Leaf]

don't frown at me like that. Ydrasse is making it sound more... salacious than it is.

I just want you both to be town because I'm definitely gonna protect both of you if either of you are scum, like obviously.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm frowning because I'm nervous of a guilty/inno thing between the 2 of you.

[Flavor Leaf]

something like that, you eased it for me, though, thank you <3

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not really vibing titus rn
I would prefer like rce or xtoxm

remind me why you scumread those two?

FL: i'm not sure about why there would be something like that between us, unless you're just nervous about something in the future?

something like that, you eased it for me, though, thank you <3

[Flavor Leaf]

I just think Skitter's the fade today, Star

[Flavor Leaf]

Paranoia read- hectic picked a scumteam full of people he thought could seduce Flavor Leaf. Not sure where Dann comes into that one. Any ideas Flavor?

Dann tops the list, obviously

[Flavor Leaf]

fl started it with me i was specifically targeted

I wouldn't say I specifically targeted, if anything I was just naturally pulled, and now I'm in the gravitational pull

[Flavor Leaf]

It's inescapable really, but I don't quite mind it

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, I have some confidence in my ability to read Skitter, I made the case earlier.

I do think Skitter has done a great job at coming across as townie, however scum her will always come across as townie, that's just how she is.

But with certain pushes she's made, it seems like she's doing the job for scum instead of town, and I believe Skitter has been trying to find the other mason by pushing specific people so that Hectic can figure out if they are mason or not.

That's why Venus got pushed so hard, they were a potential mason candidate for them.

[Flavor Leaf]

be careful btw Flavor

women always hurt you in the end.....

I'm always expecting to get hurt, it's fiiiiiine

[Flavor Leaf]

i thoooooought we established trust :c

I am so far in your pocket I've essentially accepted a loss if you are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

anyone who knows me accepting a loss, knows how deep a pocket that must be

[Flavor Leaf]

but you’re ready for pain grumble grumble... hmph !!! i’ll prove that fear wrong

I'm accepting the possible pain. I'll never be ready for it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am but a dragonfly in the deep abyss, dreading the thought of returning to the time before this existential splitting of the life force consumes me from the inside.

[Flavor Leaf]

like i think if we were in an endgame

with mason + townie + ydra!scum.

and Ydra/Mason crossvoted

I'd put 80% chance FL tells the townie to vote out his last mason.

Yeah, just switch Mason with Hopkirk, and townie with Chara, that's exactly how this game is going to go

[Flavor Leaf]

Ugh, Starcrossed role fits so perfectly if they’re scum and all ascetics are town

[Flavor Leaf]

I like both of them

[Flavor Leaf]

Ugh, Starcrossed role fits so perfectly if they’re scum and all ascetics are town

well you'd have to kill xtox first and he'd have to flip scum!

Damn, you right. thanks pookster

[Flavor Leaf]

why is skitter off the table rn?

she's not, I think she's one of the few on the table.

[Flavor Leaf]

I definitely just acted out that fanfic out loud in my room

[Flavor Leaf]

I definitely just acted out that fanfic out loud in my room

nice. was anyone around?

yeah, probably, but the people around me are well warning I may break out into character out of nowhere if the inspiration arrives.

[Flavor Leaf]

Skitter's like obvious scum guys, just fade her today.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

Aight

OFFICIAL CLAIM #2

RCEnigma is my 2nd mason

Congrats, Skitter. You got another.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCEnigma's my ride or die, of course he's my mason.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, Hopkirk, RCE, Ydrasse masons. Go from there.

Fade skitter.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here's my list of potential ducks (scum)

Hopkirk
RCEnigma

Titus
Lunar Martian

Firebringer

Probably two in there. Lim here before the more embedded mates find convenient ways to not lim here. Let me reference TENET once again and say that Gypyx/A50 were slanker/lowballing slots that somehow got

townread

just because nobody wanted to get rid of them. Cabd/LLD carried two slots that should've died on like D2/D3 because town revolted against itself.

bolded is very possible.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's honestly between Titus and Skitter for me today.

[Flavor Leaf]

i'll go Titus because skitter is talking more, and I think Titus vanilla claim, at least we just lose a Vanilla.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Titus

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm ready to move to the next day, tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

Skitter has become almost too scummy for me

[Flavor Leaf]

Its too bad our mason leader is too troll to care about us just outting the whole mason squad. Otherwise it would be funny to see his reaction to us doing that.

wait til you see that I didn't pick a single Mason and stacked myself with abilities.

[Flavor Leaf]

i am honored to join this elite group of shitposters!

imagine if hectic had actually picked us to be his mafia team

holy shit we'd rock this game so hard

I don't think you would have here. third time you roll scum against me is it.

[Flavor Leaf]

if you don’t pick masons ......

Sssh, I want you to stay alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

i am honored to join this elite group of shitposters!

imagine if hectic had actually picked us to be his mafia team

holy shit we'd rock this game so hard

dude we really gotta be scum together one day

it's this one

[Flavor Leaf]

i feel like ive definitely said the scum team some point during this game,

[Flavor Leaf]

i feel like ive definitely said the scum team some point during this game,

Well probably, you've said about 300,000 different permutations.

It's the way.

[Flavor Leaf]

see, I like to paint a picture with every possibility out there, even the major tinfoils. Then I'll use some of the stuff around, to make things more likely and less likely

occasionally, a couple outliers happen, like in Boardgames, but nonetheless, I will usually be able to catch at least all but 1 scum, and that's kind of the way I imagine Hectic is playing against me.

There's 1 player he's expecting to possibly win the game for him.

[Flavor Leaf]

It better be Sherriff of Nottingham

I'm so good at this game

[Flavor Leaf]

fl are you really serious abt rce being a mason.... cuz if not i think he's scum

He a Boon Babe.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCEnigma has on record stated his only goal in mafia was to be able to accurately read me.

I couldn't have let him be scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

wait, he wouldnt have had to read me then...

[Flavor Leaf]

i wouldn't think Loyal wouldn't be unable to go onto a Miller.

Miller is still town.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, loyal wouldn't work that way unless it was some major difference, but xtoxm just claimed normal old loyal/disloyal

[Flavor Leaf]

xtoxm loyal messages would be given to the millers, and the disloyal ones wouldnt.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's really down to Titus vs Skitter for me right now, they aren't both town.


Fade one, probably make the other hammer Unwnd Day 4.

[Flavor Leaf]

Question: why would Xtoxm not just claim Messenger? Why claim the modifiers? That significantly weakens the role for no reason.

It gives the conftown in case he dies. If he's tracked on disloyal nights, then it forces a 1 v 1 for scum where scum are literally forced to bus the target or face an uphill battle and net more conftown.

While I think xtoxm and starcrossed are S v S, it's never the strategic play to eliminate there.

I seriously doubt this. I think they’re both town.

Even though I think it's S v S, it's something where my accuracy would reveal itself in time. I am open to FL having an artifical impact on wagons throwing off my reads.

Strategically, xtoxm must give us a clear or confirm each night. If I could fake a tracker here I would and just outright hint that I got a result and was hiding it and watch the thread to get a read.

pretty sure all my info is out and about now besides my ability, which I'm holding close to my chest to try to find 2 other scum for this day phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

just fade Titus guys. It's who I initially wanted during the Night phase anyways

[Flavor Leaf]

i wouldn't think Loyal wouldn't be unable to go onto a Miller.

Miller is still town.

i think this is something that is still worth double-checking, but only Xtoxm would be able to verify it.
i've seen Millers that explicitly have their slots treated as mafia, including with loyal modifiers.

if they have the Desperate Modifier, then yeah, but Loyal is Loyal.

If Xtoxm is scum, he just lies and says what I said anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Titus

Go to Day 3

[Flavor Leaf]

you guys are just trying to full solve on Day 2, it's unnecessary, we're not going to be able to with enough security to feel good about it. too much WIFOM available.

[Flavor Leaf]

We will take down these Hectonians, 1 by 1, Dark God King Emperor Hectic's reign will be no more.

Those of you who fight by my side, are likely to fall at some point, but I will not let that be in vain!

I ask of you, no, I beg of you, I kneel here towards, you...

Please vote Titus.

The longer we stay on Day 2, the more apathy kicks in and scum can get a gamestate reset.

Titus is who I came into the Day wanting to fade, Unwnd saved themselves for a few days.

Titus also voted Unwnd early when I said Titus was to be the hammer.

Godslayer Flavor is running for Hectic.

[Flavor Leaf]

you guys are just trying to full solve on Day 2, it's unnecessary, we're not going to be able to with enough security to feel good about it. too much WIFOM available.

Boon why is it you of all people who say this or even realize it

I'm stunned

bruh, it's always me.

Why do you think I quickhammer?

[Flavor Leaf]

^.^

[Flavor Leaf]

Drasse, take the hammer if you want it

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I put this game on the backburner because I was conftown and I was expecting actual wagons to emerge. This is a shitposter's game, and that's not my style. I am not even super confident in my reads. I'm not a huge loss at this point. It's too bad too because my other games let up.

I don’t want to rush this vote. If Titus flips town, how does this help us?

Honestly I just want the game to progress, and Day 3 I can start doing some good VCA based on all the wagons. Just need a few flips.

Titus as Vanilla if town is a benefit all around because we needed a couple more town flips to do VCA.

[Flavor Leaf]

So like worst case scenario, she flips Vanilla Town, which isn’t a major issue *salutes major issue*

[Flavor Leaf]

She knows they're for her, I've given them every day.

Spoiler:

[Flavor Leaf]

And then there was 1 mason.

Alright, I'm going to do some VCA later today probably.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, I'm thinking Skitter hammers Unwnd today as of right now, but we'll see what the VCA brings.

[Flavor Leaf]

I might be thinking Skitter is town actually.

[Flavor Leaf]

- I would be upset if Ydrasse shitposted as scum to victory (so I will choose to believe it's not true)

this isn't what she's doing if she is scum, but I'm okay with protecting her until I absolutely cannot, and even then, who knows

[Flavor Leaf]

A lot of my reads last day was trying to weed out the lesser prominent, not necessarily by skill rather how influential I believe they've been towards the game. I think it's a very common thing for scum to not want influence unless it gives them a stronger position, so the lowballing slots were in consideration of

Who is intentionally trying to not have influence? Maybe this sounds confusing. I just know that scum's goal is to survive and avoid being inconvenienced. If town is wrong or just happy amongst themselves then what point is there to add onto it. There's mostly definitely scum sidelining and unfort we just picked wrong

RCEnigma was killed last night, and he wasn't a major threat or anything considering he wasn't really playing, which means scum is content with the way the game was playing out.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm also pretty sure Auro was town reading Firebringer, so that's a bit suspicious.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have to ask mod role question brb

I actually want you to full claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, this is the mass claim day.

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer and Ydrasse, you two can go first.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hello i am a conditional miller: i will appear to be scum if checked by an alignment cop who is below me in the pl. (And since i'm number 2, that's nearly everyone)

i am regularly vla on fridays and Saturdays

VOTE: fire

then why haven't you been trying to move down?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, that's super scummy of Skitter not moving, not gonna lie. They should have been trying to get to lower on the PL because of their role.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Skitter onto Unwnd is the right play today, but let's spend some time.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Firebringer

Nah, I'm going full in on this mass claim today.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Firebringer

Nah, I'm going full in on this mass claim today.

Then I don't get to use my super special awesome last jutsu to save the day and u will feel silly.

Which actually might be more funny if i don't get to use it because i get miselimmed.

Lets go with the funnier option.

I won't feel silly, just saying. I don't care if I misfade.

[Flavor Leaf]

You guys forget, I have a guilty on one of the scum members, but I'm actively going to hold it so they WIFOM and think I don't, so they'll still have to make pushes.

[Flavor Leaf]

I won't feel silly, just saying. I don't care if I misfade.

Well i will find it funny at least.

@skitter i can only send one song actually lol.

btw Morning Tweet wasn't lying about ascetic.

i really don't care much about using roles, just care about what the roles are too

[Flavor Leaf]

i mean... i'm also curious as to why Hopkirk would move down given your claim.

and it could have been useful. today isn't the final day of the game. you moving down at least allows the opportunity for a high-placing cop to make a check without being obvious about their movement.

like, if it will do nothing negative, but has a minor chance of doing something positive, it's pro-town.

Skitter's confirmed their spot in the dead thread this game sometime, it's more of a matter of when.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am for removing the dictator flavor from power as a vote of no confidence.

I mean, you're just gonna get faded.

It's not like I'm not gonna solve as the game goes on.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fire's in the POE anyways, I have absolutely no qualms about fading them here, even if they're town.

[Flavor Leaf]

OR TODAY IF I GET MISYEETED!

This is a counterclaim to Unwnd.

[Flavor Leaf]

OR TODAY IF I GET MISYEETED!

This is a counterclaim to Unwnd.

unwnd hasnt claimed?

he claimed Supersaint yesterday

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: unwnd
he told me he was scum

i really thought ydrasse was gonna be dead.

She's scum =/

i don't nkow how to tell u this.

ur wrong mr leaf

lets all vote unwnd ill hammer

you even commented after Unwnd claimed here.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, no, firebringer's playing really poorly as town if he's town, and rather get the liability out now than later.

[Flavor Leaf]

2.6

Xtoxm(7) ~

RCEnigma

(8),

Titus

(13), Morning Tweet(9), Lunar Martian(29), Starcrossed(88), skitter30(53), Gamma Emerald(13)
Ydrasse(1) ~ unwnd(52)
unwnd(1) ~ Firebringer(36)
Titus(1) ~ Hopkirk(9)
skitter30(1) ~ Venus Mars and Pluto(159)
Morning Tweet(1) ~ catboi(19)
Gamma Emerald(0) ~ Hectic(11),

Flavor Leaf

(120)

2.8

Xtoxm(3) ~

RCEnigma(11), Titus(16),

skitter30(144)

Titus(3) ~ Hopkirk(35)

, unwnd(65),

Flavor Leaf(244)

, Lunar Martian(42)
skitter30(2) ~ Venus Mars and Pluto(241), Xtoxm(10)
Morning Tweet(2) ~ catboi(26), Gamma Emerald(29)
unwnd(1) ~ Firebringer(58)
Chara(1) ~ Morning Tweet(38)
Gamma Emerald(0) ~ Hectic(12)


Not Voting (3): Chara(103), Starcrossed(161),

Ydrasse(80)

Day 2 END

Titus(8) ~ Hopkirk(35)

, unwnd(68),

Flavor Leaf(271)

, Lunar Martian(46), skitter30(156), Starcrossed(179), catboi(31), Morning Tweet(44),

Ydrasse(96)

-- HAMMER
Xtoxm(1) ~ RCEnigma(11)
unwnd(1) ~ Firebringer(67)
skitter30(1) ~ Xtoxm(10)
Morning Tweet(1) ~ Gamma Emerald(30)
Gamma Emerald(0) ~ Hectic(18)


Not Voting (2): Chara(107), Venus Mars and Pluto(271)

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not sure fire is scum fwiw

im okay fading fire because he always town reads me correctly when he's town, and here he doesn't even have to, which means he's out of his town meta here

[Flavor Leaf]

and Tenet just happened where I had 5 out of 6 scum in my POE Day 1, so this attitude by Fire makes zero sense as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Xtoxm does look pretty bad on VCA

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not sure fire is scum fwiw

im okay fading fire because he always town reads me correctly when he's town, and here he doesn't even have to, which means he's out of his town meta here

i don't know how to tell u this....

ur confirmed town.

exactly, you should be my number 1 doggo

[Flavor Leaf]

but you're just jealous because Ydrasse is getting all my attention, and I'm not petting your head as much anymore.

[Flavor Leaf]

exactly, you should be my number 1 doggo

i don't know what to tell u. i typically ignore ICs everygame no matter who occupies it.

bruh I've never lost as IC, trust the leaf.

[Flavor Leaf]

Xtoxm(3) ~

RCEnigma(11), Titus(16),

skitter30(144)

Titus(3) ~ Hopkirk(35)

, unwnd(65),

Flavor Leaf(244)

, Lunar Martian(42)
skitter30(2) ~ Venus Mars and Pluto(241), Xtoxm(10)

this is where we'll find scum most likely.

Right now, I'm thinking Xtoxm/Lunar is getting more likely.

[Flavor Leaf]

Xtoxm might end up being the fade today.

I'm okay letting Firebringer not claim today, but I'll be going through everyone else.

Ydrasse, you're not ascetic, are you?

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, Xtoxm being taken care of early is probably a solid play, we'll know earlier on if he was lying about the Loyal part of his ability.

[Flavor Leaf]

1.4

Chara(3) ~

RCEnigma

(43), Firebringer(33), skitter30(54)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~

Dannflor

(14), Morning Tweet(17)
Firebringer(2) ~ Starcrossed(95), unwnd(60)
Morning Tweet(1) ~ Chara(80)

Dannflor

(1) ~ catboi(41)


Not Voting (9):

chkflip

(0), Lunar Martian(4),

Hopkirk

(1), Xtoxm(0), Titus(4),

Ydrasse

(62), Venus Mars and Pluto(2), Gamma Emerald(5),

Flavor Leaf

(15)

1.5

Gamma Emerald(2) ~

Dannflor

(14), Morning Tweet(32)
Chara(2) ~

RCEnigma

(43), Firebringer(34)
Venus Mars and Pluto(1) ~ catboi(51)
Starcrossed(1) ~ skitter30(89)

RCEnigma

(1) ~ unwnd(77)
Morning Tweet(1) ~ Chara(103)
Firebringer(1) ~ Starcrossed(106)


Not Voting (9):

chkflip

(0), Lunar Martian(8),

Hopkirk

(1), Xtoxm(0), Titus(4),

Ydrasse

(76), Venus Mars and Pluto(4), Gamma Emerald(6),

Flavor Leaf

(57)

1.6

Venus Mars and Pluto(4) ~ catboi(64), unwnd(96), skitter30(117),

chkflip

(13)
Chara(3) ~

RCEnigma

(49), Firebringer(35),

Hopkirk

(54)
unwnd(2) ~

Titus

(32), Chara(149)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~

Dannflor

(14), Morning Tweet(50)
Lunar Martian(1) ~ Venus Mars and Pluto(55)
Firebringer(1) ~ Starcrossed(181)


Not Voting (5): Lunar Martian(8), Xtoxm(0),

Ydrasse

(124), Gamma Emerald(23),

Flavor Leaf

(135)

1.7

Chara(4) ~

RCEnigma

(55), Firebringer(35),

Hopkirk

(55), skitter30(146)
Venus Mars and Pluto(2) ~ unwnd(110),

chkflip

(23)
unwnd(2) ~ Titus(32), Chara(159)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~

Dannflor

(14), Morning Tweet(50)
Firebringer(1) ~ Starcrossed(207)

Dannflor

(1) ~ catboi(74)

chkflip

(1) ~ Venus Mars and Pluto(103)


Not Voting (5): Lunar Martian(8), Xtoxm(0),

Ydrasse

(125), Gamma Emerald(23),

Flavor Leaf

(136)

1.8

Chara(3) ~ Firebringer(38),

Hopkirk

(55), skitter30(151)
unwnd(2) ~

Titus

(32), Chara(159)

RCEnigma

(2) ~ Xtoxm(9), unwnd(119)

Dannflor

(2) ~ catboi(78), Morning Tweet(57)

chkflip

(2) ~ Venus Mars and Pluto(108),

RCEnigma

(57)
Venus Mars and Pluto(1) ~

chkflip

(23)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~

Dannflor

(14)
Firebringer(1) ~ Starcrossed(210)


Not Voting (4): Lunar Martian(17),

Ydrasse

(130), Gamma Emerald(28),

Flavor Leaf

(148)

1.9

Dannflor

(5) ~ catboi(81), Morning Tweet(58), skitter30(160), Starcrossed(246), Xtoxm(16)
unwnd(2) ~

Titus

(32), Chara(159)

chkflip(2) ~ RCEnigma(57),

Dannflor

(29)
Chara(2) ~ Firebringer(38),

Hopkirk

(55)
Venus Mars and Pluto(1) ~

chkflip

(25)

RCEnigma

(1) ~ unwnd(122)


Not Voting (5): Lunar Martian(20),

Ydrasse

(137), Venus Mars and Pluto(130), Gamma Emerald(28),

Flavor Leaf

(159)

1.10

Dannflor

(4) ~ catboi(100), Morning Tweet(58), Starcrossed(317), Xtoxm(17)
Chara(3) ~ Firebringer(42),

Hopkirk

(83), skitter30(208)
unwnd(2) ~ Chara(182),

chkflip

(37)
Xtoxm(1) ~

Titus

(46)

RCEnigma

(1) ~ unwnd(153)
Morning Tweet(1) ~

Dannflor

(58)

chkflip(1) ~ RCEnigma

(65


Not Voting (5): Lunar Martian(20),

Ydrasse

(160), Venus Mars and Pluto(176), Gamma Emerald(31),

Flavor Leaf

(220)

1.11

Dannflor

(5) ~ catboi(101), Morning Tweet(65), Starcrossed(317), Xtoxm(18), Gamma Emerald(36)
Chara(3) ~ Firebringer(43),

Hopkirk

(83), skitter30(225)
unwnd(2) ~ Chara(182),

chkflip

(37)
Xtoxm(1) ~

Titus

(49)

RCEnigma

(1) ~ unwnd(153)
Morning Tweet(1) ~

Dannflor

(58)

chkflip(1) ~ RCEnigma(65)

Not Voting (4): Lunar Martian(24),

Ydrasse(161)

, Venus Mars and Pluto(204),

Flavor Leaf(223)

1.12

Dannflor

(7) ~ catboi(108), Morning Tweet(98), Starcrossed(330), Xtoxm(18), Gamma Emerald(36),

Flavor Leaf

(254), unwnd(161),

Hopkirk

(89)
Morning Tweet(3) ~

Dannflor

(58), Venus Mars and Pluto(246), Chara(195)
Chara(2) ~ Firebringer(44), skitter30(229)
Xtoxm(1) ~

Titus

(57)
unwnd(1) ~

chkflip

(38)

chkflip(1) ~ RCEnigma(65)

Not Voting (2): Lunar Martian(24),

Ydrasse

(172)

1 end

Dannflor

(9) ~ catboi(111), Morning Tweet(107), Starcrossed(351), Xtoxm(19), Gamma Emerald(41),

Flavor Leaf

(274), unwnd(164),

Hopkirk

(89), skitter30(243),

Titus

(60) -- HAMMER
unwnd(2) ~

chkflip

(54), Venus Mars and Pluto(283)
Morning Tweet(2) ~

Dannflor

(58), Chara(197)

chkflip(1) ~ RCEnigma

(72)
Chara(1) ~ Firebringer(44)


Not Voting (2): Lunar Martian(25),

Ydrasse

(188)

[Flavor Leaf]

2.6

Xtoxm(7) ~

RCEnigma

(8),

Titus

(13), Morning Tweet(9), Lunar Martian(29), Starcrossed(88), skitter30(53), Gamma Emerald(13)
Ydrasse(1) ~ unwnd(52)
unwnd(1) ~ Firebringer(36)
Titus(1) ~ Hopkirk(9)
skitter30(1) ~ Venus Mars and Pluto(159)
Morning Tweet(1) ~ catboi(19)
Gamma Emerald(0) ~ Hectic(11),

Flavor Leaf

(120)

2.8

Xtoxm(3) ~

RCEnigma(11), Titus(16),

skitter30(144)

Titus(3) ~ Hopkirk(35)

, unwnd(65),

Flavor Leaf(244)

, Lunar Martian(42)
skitter30(2) ~ Venus Mars and Pluto(241), Xtoxm(10)
Morning Tweet(2) ~ catboi(26), Gamma Emerald(29)
unwnd(1) ~ Firebringer(58)
Chara(1) ~ Morning Tweet(38)
Gamma Emerald(0) ~ Hectic(12)


Not Voting (3): Chara(103), Starcrossed(161),

Ydrasse(80)

Day 2 END

Titus(8) ~ Hopkirk(35)

, unwnd(68),

Flavor Leaf(271)

, Lunar Martian(46), skitter30(156), Starcrossed(179), catboi(31), Morning Tweet(44),

Ydrasse(96)

-- HAMMER
Xtoxm(1) ~ RCEnigma(11)
unwnd(1) ~ Firebringer(67)
skitter30(1) ~ Xtoxm(10)
Morning Tweet(1) ~ Gamma Emerald(30)
Gamma Emerald(0) ~ Hectic(18)


Not Voting (2): Chara(107), Venus Mars and Pluto(271)

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

i’ve spent too much time looking up flower meanings but i feel like i’ve learned something

also if you want me to i can claim my role but it’s fmpov best to be like... hm

i’m like schrödinger’s cat right now and no one knows if i’m actually useful or not with what i do until i say it and to be frank i don’t think i’m the nightkill ever based off of content alone which is why i am content to keep coasting to make them guess

if that’s not acceptable tho i’ll just say it

You're fine, you don't need to claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Chara, Xtoxm, Lunar, and Venus are the most damning from surface level wagonomics and VCA, but I'll go deeper into them later, I just wanted to get the coloring done.

[Flavor Leaf]

official declaration.

Xtoxm will be hammering Unwnd on Day 4.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will say it's almost impossible for Chara, Firebringer, and Skitter to all be town this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think RCE was like the most obvious kill, idk how you didn’t expect it

[Flavor Leaf]

Chara/Xtoxm is my current solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fire's in the POE anyways, I have absolutely no qualms about fading them here, even if they're town.

We already misfaded Titus.

I’m a high risk gambler

[Flavor Leaf]

Chara, Xtoxm, Lunar, and Venus are the most damning from surface level wagonomics and VCA, but I'll go deeper into them later, I just wanted to get the coloring done.

most of these are VCs where i'm voting unwnd after being told to, and then not caring about unvoting.

I said they were surface level VCA.

I still standby you three are not all town.

I just don’t know which I’m wrong on, because as of right now, I lean town on all 3 of you

[Flavor Leaf]

She's my #1

[Flavor Leaf]

Nothing else to it

[Flavor Leaf]

And pink is pretty, just like he--

just like the best kind of helium balloons. Pink.

[Flavor Leaf]

I got a lovely poem last night ❣◕ ‿ ◕❣

what did it say?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I think Skitter/Xtoxm is TvS

[Flavor Leaf]

what were you saying flavor...? helium balloons?

Yeah, I'm going to get you a bunch of helium balloons, a bouquet, and some more caffeine.

[Flavor Leaf]

I got a lovely poem last night ❣◕ ‿ ◕❣

what did it say?

it just said I got a poem in girl's handwriting >_>

@Firebringer - what did you do to catboi?

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn, Venus just keeps putting me on the spot

[Flavor Leaf]

okay i’m going to be real i don’t think more caffeine is good

i almost never drink it and when i do i can’t do a lot but for some reason i drank an entire cup today and i’ve been shaking literally all day and i’m not a fan of it

That's unfortunate. I get that way with too much caffeine too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Chara, Xtoxm, Lunar, and

Venus

are the most damning from surface level wagonomics and VCA, but I'll go deeper into them later, I just wanted to get the coloring done.

Are you high?

Even if I was, it would do nothing to effect my ability to play mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm gonna be wrong this game. I might even be right this game. There's already been instances of both. That's just the point of the game. I didn't have maddening tunnel vision towards RCEnigma, it was just me going through my own process and trying to figure out which of my lesser reads end up being scum. I prioritize my thoughts and I feel much more comfortable pursuing those I've spent less time on earlier in the game. My RCEnigma thought was not developed in the slightest nor was Titus. We took a chance and it ended up not being great. You'll see me more demoralized and more in consideration of my reads if someone like Chara ended up to be scum, cause right now I'm still townreading them a great amount.

I'm looking over what you say for sure, Unwnd, don't worry.

You seem to have a really strong sense of the general gamestate within your reads this game, which is actually a pretty good place to be in. In games where scum isn't doing anything, this is an amazing way to catch scum.

However, scum are definitely doing things this game, even if lack of doing anything is them doing something, so it makes sense your reads are slighted a bit.

I gut town read Chara, but VCA does damn them a bit.

Could be a coincidence, and I'm still thinking that over. I might end up on it being coincidental.

[Flavor Leaf]

Chara/Xtoxm is my current solve.

Why Chara?

that was just my current solve for the last current time, i'm like 2 current's past that now.

[Flavor Leaf]

i literally feel like i’m dying and i have work for two more hours wooooo

i just want to lay down and not MOVE

I have a strong urge to comfort, but people don't know that side of me, and it'll really wreck their image of me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm gonna be wrong this game. I might even be right this game. There's already been instances of both. That's just the point of the game. I didn't have maddening tunnel vision towards RCEnigma, it was just me going through my own process and trying to figure out which of my lesser reads end up being scum. I prioritize my thoughts and I feel much more comfortable pursuing those I've spent less time on earlier in the game. My RCEnigma thought was not developed in the slightest nor was Titus. We took a chance and it ended up not being great. You'll see me more demoralized and more in consideration of my reads if someone like Chara ended up to be scum, cause right now I'm still townreading them a great amount.

This being said, I guess my strongest scumread would be Tweetie right now following Firebringer. I keep going back+forth on Skitter and it's annoying me, so much I'm not willing to deal with it right now. The problem I face this game is that there is just a huge amount of null in my reads because a lot of the happy fun time really is just mostly null content and that's difficult to sort through.

there's a reason there's a lot of null content.

Hectic is doing good at not letting specific slots become too town read in addition to the scum team positioning themselves in a way to keep everyone null.

Keep this stuff up, Unwnd.