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i can see town-cakez easily making the argument that your jump off flipped scum because of some cursory amount of effort on his part onto himself and then eventually onto flipped town as scummy, considering the NM flip as it is.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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I feel like the NM flip implies that traditional wagon analysis is a trap i'm being coaxed to fall into
jokes on you i don't know how to fucking do that to begin withplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i need to go thru salsa iso a bit more.
having a hard time seeing S/S salsa-prism/DC here. Salsa was totally cool w/ voting DC a bunch, but never went near L&G despite having them here.In post 1211, Salsabil Faria wrote:I just realized I didn't share my read-list....
Good group:Kismet,Venus Fly Trap
Re-evaluate group:,Nachomamma8SirCakez,Infinity 324
Null group:,Not_MafiaMomrangal,notscience,The Bulge
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mara you think both parties involved on the blitz onto bulge at the end are town?playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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prism what happened to you being really sure ydrasse was scum at the end of yesterdayplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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why all this qualification on cakez? why not just move him up a tier?In post 2803, skitter30 wrote:and then the last tier i think is the best bet for hitting scum, and i think there's at least one, probably two, in there
i actually like sircakez out of all of them the best: i like his entrance today, he's p persistantly pushed for nm yesterday, and he also has anti-partner associatives with l/g
i still think mom is scummy, and am just not convinced by any of the reasons presented for townreading her
and i utterly hate everything prism has done since/including the hammerplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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this isn't helping me stave off paranoia and i request you change tack if you canIn post 2834, Infinity 324 wrote:
It's not and I don't even know what a typical scumgame of mine would be, most of my recent ones are really small. Though I think the way I played d1 in panic room is a decent representation of how I play d1s as scumIn post 2828, Venus Fly Trap wrote:now you're kinda saying that isn't a prototypical scumgame?
I'm not really sure how to respond to you saying it's less conviction than you'd expect me to have as scum, it felt like more conviction to me. Maybe we're defining conviction differently
why the flip from iverson onto dc?playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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and you found this satisfactory?In post 2840, Infinity 324 wrote:I still feel like iverson and salsa have been towny on play, I mostly voted iverson to try to get an explanation on the hammerplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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don't understand this, sorryIn post 2849, Momrangal wrote:Watching as town fucks themselves over, and watching them willingly self destruct with slight budges in that direction?playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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you're in a hydra and i'm not arsed to ISO everything and figure out what's you and what isn't at this point.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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why?In post 2852, Infinity 324 wrote:No but he's still less scummy than DCplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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counterthread: skitter what is so blazingly town about mena that he is occupying the same tier as me atm?playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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like he hasn't even fucking graced the game with his presence for like a fucking weekplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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so has cakezIn post 2859, Momrangal wrote:Mena has been pushing NM all of yesterday with me.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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if noddy is scum he's playing the game of his life in presence and he's basically ruined my tonal read on him for all time.In post 2867, Infinity 324 wrote:I should still sheep your notsci read right bork?
the reason i feel that i have to qualify that is that his hop off nm yesterday looks objectively pretty bad.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i'm not vibing shit. i'm vibing a beacon of town fucking taking this mantle off my failure-ridden shoulders.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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yeah i mean if this is the case i guess it's plausible he thought he was getting what he wanted and went into maintenance modeIn post 2861, Venus Fly Trap wrote:pedit i think he's got some irl stuff going on. that bit i don't think is aiplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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wasn't necessarily thinking of any one person here.In post 2876, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i haven't exactly had a higher accuracy-rate here than you
although as i right this out maybe you mean notsci?playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i'm gonna take a break because i'm getting neurotic
remember that 2 town votes on town is quickhammer range at this point.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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tonight i plan to get rip roaring hammered and probably not play mafia either
i'm gonna take mostly a break after this game too but if anyone in this game wants to hydra at some point i'd really be interested in that as kind of a side game.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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yes!In post 2918, Venus Fly Trap wrote:In post 2917, skitter30 wrote:Bork we should def to that at some pointplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i miss purpkinIn post 2919, Momrangal wrote:
I wouldn't bringing back PurpkinIn post 2916, Kismet wrote:tonight i plan to get rip roaring hammered and probably not play mafia either
i'm gonna take mostly a break after this game too but if anyone in this game wants to hydra at some point i'd really be interested in that as kind of a side game.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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you are asserting this is because you pushed him, which i don't think there is really any evidence forIn post 2952, Iverson wrote:Makes it clear he didn't see any town motivation when he thought about it earlier, but now that I have pushed him, and he's scumreading me for it, now that skepticism is worth bringing up. I think a logically complete response would be that this fits with the "Iverson is ???" opener, but this isn't the point of contention between us at the moment.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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in fact the fact that this post exists at all suggest the above isn't the caseIn post 2789, SirCakez wrote:what do you want dudeplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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this just rubs me all sorts of the wrong way considering the current gamestate and i just have a hard time seeing a town player want to work w/ someone they think is scum when even one misstep is instalossIn post 2953, Iverson wrote:While I am willing to gladiate, I will gladly help you run up my scum partners if you agree on them.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i think prism is scum and is angling to win on a different day. it's one thing to i guess give up and be fatalistic w/ all this "i want you to vote me regardless of alignment", but if he's scum it's not fatalism, it's strategy
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you misunderstand, it feels like you are saying his whole demeanor changed on you because you started pushing him, and i really do not think that is the caseIn post 2966, Iverson wrote:
...In post 2961, Kismet wrote:you are asserting this is because you pushed him, which i don't think there is really any evidence for
separate from that i do not see how his opening on you today really displays a change in tone from the start to where we ended upplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i'm just ignoring this as you're perfectly capable of making this post as either alignmentIn post 2967, Iverson wrote:This is going to be read as a confessional but I really can't resist.
There are several issues with me being scum here, but hypothetically my start today would have been intentionally scummy with the goal of looping in this narrative of a playstyle shift later. I'm very attuned to the power of narratives and am very intentional about leveraging them as scum. I start out getting a handle on the table, but at a certain point I develop a preternatural instinct for what will be townread, when, and to what extent by the players in the table. The daystart is something I have pulled out all the time as Iverson and I am acutely aware that the hyperaggression gets scumread.
The goal of today would have been to start out hitting hard either to distance or to specifically work with the town player I was attacking, and to leverage that narrative of a playstyle switch to swing it back and seal a 3-0 shutout. I am never going deep in this table and it does not matter who the other 2 scum are, I would clearly be last priority.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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what are these issues?In post 2967, Iverson wrote:There are several issues with me being scum hereplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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additionally: why were you so sure ydrasse was scum eod yesterday and then went nowhere w/ that today?playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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as an aside this really isn't contributing to my read and in fact you felt more aggressive in 2181 then you do hereIn post 2970, Iverson wrote:All of that said, I am legitimately town, and the playstyle shift is because, as mentioned previously, hyperaggression for its own sake without caring that I would wind up getting voted was silly and unfair to the other town, even if it's their responsibility to read me correctly.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i don't understand why, i guessIn post 2976, Iverson wrote:It was dependent on her seeing town blitz on scum, ie. Bulge flipping red.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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your team is what at this point? DC/Mom/??In post 2988, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah that's kinda what I mean, normally strong scum will set themselves up to have stronger arguments later on, especially if they're doing something that's anti-town on it's face, rather than relying on "it would be dumb to do x as scum", I don't think you'd think that would be effective.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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ugh is it possible i just totally fucking whiffed on infinity
i don't want to start there regardless but the early game interaction w/ l&g perhaps suggests i should eventuallyplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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what does this have to do w/ you?In post 2997, Iverson wrote:oh god you are actually bothering to try and partner hunt for me you sad sad soulplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i never said it wasIn post 3002, Iverson wrote:"infinity is town and her not voting me isn't +scum"playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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(really i never explained anything about why i made that post but here we are)playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i'm not upset, and if you feel the need to get vicious (although i don't see why we're at this point) then feel free? this isn't going to go how 2181 went for obvious reasons.In post 3005, Iverson wrote:I'm going to get less sympathetic and more vicious if I actually respond to that. If you're upset with me butting into your process I'm sorry, I think the timing shows why I thought that even if it was wrong.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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at the very core of it i'm possibly just getting paranoid, but i see an inkling of infinity shuffling reads and not reevaluating the gamestate which to me is suspicious. would welcome noddy/VFT/DC opinion on this as at times as i think you've been +scum on her at times where i haven't. Bulge flipping town probably warrants me reexamining that whole deal too.
in contrast, Prism if you've got a good "this is why infinity is town to me" sense right now too I'm happy to look at it.
Prism I am not dealing with you in a way that is throwing you away in my scum pile and positioning every future interaction w/ you as a way to get your partners. I feel like that should be obvious from my demeanor, but if I need to unvote to get you to get past that, then I am willing to. If you're town you're a huge asset to me.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i don't understand how i've done thisIn post 3011, Iverson wrote:while actively rejecting every read I have given all gameplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i've never had an interaction w/ anyone quite like this one and i don't know what to make of itplaying alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i guess - how should i, as a rule, interact w/ someone in a gamestate that is basically going nowhere who happens to be the person i suspect most at the current moment, but obviously still have a ton of reservations about the quality of my reads as a whole.In post 3011, Iverson wrote:You say that but are literally still voting me, which presumably means you are prepared to end the game with this guess.
because if there's a better way of dealing with it that's not going to involve a repeat of yesterday i'm absolutely open to it.
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DC has been mostly pinpoint on L&G (scum), NM (scum), and Mara (who you also think is scum) and Mena has been pretty ok to me since early D1.
You were on Iverson but swapped off him for 2779 and I don't get what you saw there (and you even made 2782 later)playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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i suppose that's true, although this would hold more weight w/ me if the slot were not a hydra.In post 3022, Infinity 324 wrote:DC gets very little credit for voting NM since the slot voted bulge in the end.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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if there is one right now it's to keep me off balance, but I will freely admit I can't reliably discern between that and genuine frustration other than I don't really feel I'm being all that combative w/ Prism (although maybe objectively i am coming off differently to others, esp wrt the vote)In post 3022, Infinity 324 wrote:I just can't see an agenda to his play.playing alt of borkjerfkin- Kismet
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ydra coming in and kinda soft townreading prism is interesting, as i don't think there are that many other places for today to go if not that slotplaying alt of borkjerfkin - Kismet
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