Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[WindowsXP]

That was day 1 wtf are you trying to say?
Of course my reads changed between day 1 and today. In fact i gave new reads start of day 2. Keep up.
Me having scumread samantha d1 isnt the gotcha you think it is day 2 with new info

[WindowsXP]

I would not mind dying today if it means i can be rid of the bad takes

I am waiting for your Nero case.

Its like pretty blatant idk how to case something that can be observed from reading an iso.

Fmpov it feels more blatant too bc of nero trying their best to tie me to him

[WindowsXP]

still please never lim vasex i proved they were town d1 with the flash wagon that managed to happen on them

[WindowsXP]

bc some of yall will see me flip green and then think vasex is automatically scum bc being wrong is illegal

[WindowsXP]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85556
Blood got same energy as nopoint in 5his game

[WindowsXP]

thats y im asking who u would vote for if not nero

STD probably

[WindowsXP]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85556
Blood got same energy as nopoint in 5his game

btw same exact shit happened that game as this game

i push on scum early

i end up townreading scum for whatever reason

i change my mind at EoD and realize i was wrong and made bad assumptions due to another townie explaining it to me


next day people assume that is because i am their partner and shitpush me regardless of me actually trying my ass off and taking very concrete stances and making an effort to help solve because i do not want town to be fucked because of it.

andres 100% recognizes that here and lowkey tonally i can tell they are town based on how they were defending me here because honestly if i saw the same bullshit twice i would be mad like that too.

[WindowsXP]

STD probably

what he has done?

do you townread them?

[WindowsXP]

do you townread them?

maybe
please tell me why std is the scummiest person for you now?
it is easy to say it honestly if you are not making a lie right now

they were on the cabd wagon end of day and have barely made an impact for me.

they were a name i ended up scumreading moreso when i remember rereading the game after the flip happened.

i need to reread their iso to pinpoint what exactly i found that pinged me but very much mainly their wagon movement was the biggest that tipped me off.

[WindowsXP]

also this idea that someone who ends up having defended scum has to be scum is like so bad and nooby can we please actually examine intentions and thought processes like i clearly have a fluid thought process that is genuine wrt T3 and i was able to drop the assumptions and correctly step aside and allow enchant to hammer at the end.

if im scum there i just hammer and let enchant not take in the towncred they so rightly deserve for that push.

[WindowsXP]

i missed talking with cabd time. i want to hear more from him. it was good to see him post, i don't quite agree with anastasia 100% about reaction tests and all that jazz. but at the same time, he is actively ignoring anastasia's contributions to cling to two meta reads as his scum reads. it would be easy to fake. i wish i could just ask cephrir what he thought but i can't boo stupid no cheating rules.

someone tell me why it would be dumb if the claimed cops checked the same person i bet it would be dumb

god i need more coffee before i post i probably sound like a fucking idiot

this kind of post pings me -

its like making excuses in advance, scum know they are bullshitting so they wanna soften the blow by making it seem like "aha i was just wrong bc this" and bc you know the person you are pushing is town.
still reading ISO - will be back with more, this one just tonally stood out to me a lot.

[WindowsXP]

there is also the static sort of single minded push onto cabd only - i dont understand this kind of mentality unless you are scum trying to just rack up mislims and dont wanna spew too many people.

[WindowsXP]

VOTE: cabd

please just like ignore anastasia for today and lets collaborate to figure out scum thats outside anastasia if you are so sure - I think the votecounts and multiple wagons do tell on a person being mafia. I dont think anyone at this table is particularly skilled enough as scum outside of me in obscuring VCA, and I am town - lets really look at how people are shifting their votes.

I haven't had to time to look at read progression between these votes for people.

but a wagon doesnt get a large following that is pure on d1 like that.

I also think it is scummy that STD is here posting and doesn't care that anastasia and vasex are fighting and would rather add to the cabd fire to push it there.

I dont think ana is scum and I jumped on vasex mostly to apply pressure to a slot that is a lot of noise

and you're perfectly content with that?

so you think its TvS? or maybe even SvS?

Why do I have to comment on everything that's going on

I think its TvNull

[WindowsXP]

i have no more questions, your honor

Thank you prosecutor.
Now advocate would like to ask suspect

it is very similar to micro 1000 where dunnstral n his partner voted for each other pretty much all of day 1

windows what do you think about this?

funny. i was in that game and ragequit spectating once they started pushing onto my townreads when i replaced out lol i have to reread that game

[WindowsXP]

now like my reads make a few assumptions:

a) cabd is spewed town from d1 wagons.

b) enchant is town(this one is very solidly a yes)

c) andres is town (this one is not as solid but i would bet my life[in this game] on it)

d) kerset is town

e) there are at least 1-3 scum on the cabd d1 end of day wagon

[WindowsXP]

this game is hell

we have a perfect record so far

why sad

b/c people are galaxy braining themselves into defending scum

if you think im taking stances as solid as I am here as scum + was scum with t3 who didn't see the writing on the wall way before and didnt just bus the fuck out of him then you should get real. I know you have never played with scum me if you think I'm gonna stall out a town wagon and then bring massive attention to my partner and then pretend like they aren't getting limmed if im scum with them.


like you have to make the egregious assumption that scum 100% defend only scum and 100% only attack town.

[WindowsXP]

i dont wanna vote blood. i think they're obnoxious and they are wrong about their view on what scum vs town would do in my slot wrt how d1 went but they're >rand town based on how they pushed t3.

[WindowsXP]

VOTE: Cabd

VOTE: Cabd

VOTE: cabd

oh lots of stuff happened

UNVOTE: cabd

i want to give him a chance to speak again

VOTE: Cabd

VOTE: Cabd

VOTE: cabd

yes you did

[WindowsXP]

i know i am ignoring the other votes but your other votes were:

dunns(??)
anastasia
samantha
vasex(which is a scummy vote considering i was baiting a wagon there)

[WindowsXP]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

People think that windows was like:

Ok T3 attacks kitty as planned, maybe we can get cop voted out in D1! It will be huge advantage!... You know what how about i lolaccuse him here. It will be fun distancing, what could go wrong? hehe

no im just really dumb scum who tries to bring attention to my partners everytime they make a small slip

[WindowsXP]

i hard claim town

Solid town
Xp and Andre made a huge mistake, attacking you today

I-..........

[WindowsXP]

i wish i could understand the plane of thinking that you occupy because I truly cannot understand how you get these reads. I feel like you make some really bad assumptions a lot and its just ... wow.

[WindowsXP]

Windows XP help me sheep you.

im high asf rn idr what the playerlist looks like

[WindowsXP]

So far Andre case seems to be just Nero OMGUS followed by vasex, who wish to get a badge for voting every single player in this game.

[WindowsXP]

VOTE: Almost50
fuck it

[WindowsXP]

this is mainly because a50 rolled back the miller claim which is incredibly scummy to do here seems they are afraid of a rolecop

[WindowsXP]

have u got to reading the micro game again xp

No actually i was high as shit and forgot LOL

[WindowsXP]

VOTE: nero after some thought. Just had a towngame loss that qas largely driven by me so im tryna avoid the same mistakes as i made there here and not be bullied into least resistance lims instead of my hard gut scumreads

[WindowsXP]

I think that there could be scum in the leading 2 wagons but im more sure of scum where im voting if that makes sense

[WindowsXP]

Std, what do you think about xp?

i think they're hunting i think they're trying to find scum

If anyone can fake this, it's XP.

You arent wrong but my stances eventually betray that i have been ignoring egregious parts of other players play to fake stuff - sorta like a subtle paper trail with reads i leave.

I think personally my t3 progesssion was town indicative for me but not much i can do to convince that

[WindowsXP]

This has nothing to do with how they are reading me, but like ive also changed my mind on how im reading STD and how i approach that slot and imma say they are town here.

[WindowsXP]

So ig what im saying is that dunns is a scumlean for me

[WindowsXP]

wow

buy me dinner first

No u

[WindowsXP]

I guess I am curious what made you change your mind about me

a story for a later date, as the kids say

[WindowsXP]

again i would like to ask y r scumreading nero for defending t3 n not scumreading xp for it

this is 1 dimensional.

[WindowsXP]

The main reason I TR XP as I was re-reading was 769. I have a real hard time seeing that kind of post coming from Scum.

i agree that xp is town but not cuz of that that can easily be posted by mafia

except like why do i purposefully stall out multiple wagons? lol

[WindowsXP]

nah ur just a bit 1 dimensional as a player and this x action = x alignment across the board.

im like not in the mood to explain why its different how nero approached t3 and how I did but u do u here.

[WindowsXP]

again i would like to ask y r scumreading nero for defending t3 n not scumreading xp for it

this is 1 dimensional.

also im not saying he should scumread u im saying its not consistent to not do so if it is for nero

[WindowsXP]

nah ur just a bit 1 dimensional as a player and this x action = x alignment across the board.

im like not in the mood to explain why its different how nero approached t3 and how I did but u do u here.

[WindowsXP]

Look - how does nero reach the conclusion of cabd scum here and say im an acceptable lim in the same breathe.

This is scum trying to force a tvt wagon and its blatant

y is cabd town? and you can't use "he's spewed b/c u r scum" b/c im not. b/c the t3 wagon overtook him? I don't think that has to make him town.

You're egging on my wagon while saying cabd is also scum.

This is not logical

Am i the only one who sees this or are yall so blinded by tunneling me that its impossible to see basic fucking logic when it slaps you in the face.

[WindowsXP]

VOTE: Nero Cain

I would prefer Vasex for their blatant openwolfing, but I am being pragmatic

I think the leasher discussion leans them town here but i also thought t3 meta leaned them town here too so im willing to listen to another pov if you wanna convince me wrt vasex scum

[WindowsXP]

i am confident and push my reads hard. I pushed t3 town becayse of faulty meta read and knowing they are a forum maf noob.

[WindowsXP]

At the same time, every time I see a post from Nero as I re-read, it just seems so Scummy to me hahaha

Me

[WindowsXP]

there are too many inconsistencies with what you did for me to believe you're town this game dkkoba

I've joked about you being wrong all the time and stuff but being wrong is a lot different than what you did this game

so yeah if you are town then mafia should totally bring both of us to lylo for an easy win

Last game i was in with you i was wrong on 2 elims, whats different here samantha?

[WindowsXP]

Whats not consistent?

[WindowsXP]

I feigned interest in a vasex wagon as to give the impression I would help push it through.

i wanted to see who would hop on.


2 of my scumreads, STD and Etine are on, and 1 scumlean, Marky Mark, as well as a Null scum in enchant. also the potential traitor T3 is there but since i know they are from Epicmafia I understand the logic they would use there wrt being cop - so theres town logic there I know they would have.

I do have to say, I’m horrified at this post. It’s totally backwards.

It's my genuine reasoning? You see my unvote right as i came back to a wagon

[WindowsXP]

I feigned interest in a vasex wagon as to give the impression I would help push it through.

i wanted to see who would hop on.


2 of my scumreads, STD and Etine are on, and 1 scumlean, Marky Mark, as well as a Null scum in enchant. also the potential traitor T3 is there but since i know they are from Epicmafia I understand the logic they would use there wrt being cop - so theres town logic there I know they would have.

I do have to say, I’m horrified at this post. It’s totally backwards.

It's my genuine reasoning? You see my unvote right as i came back to a wagon

The general positioning you’re expressing in that page is directly opposite to how I’ve felt reading back this game. You SR Mark (who is very Town), Etine (probably Town, though harder to figure out admittedly because it’s mostly based on their emotional reactions and not their pushes), and you had Enchant as Null Scum (spewed Town at this stage). You did TR T3 and defended them using a bad meta argument. And you were also defending Nero (wanting to give them breathing room) when I strongly SR there. I don’t recall a game where we’ve both been Town and we were so far apart in our reads. Maybe you want to tell me now how you see these slots? Or just point to the post?

My reads have generally changed and i have made posts aboht that start of day which should include an updated view on mark post d1.

[WindowsXP]

Cabd [3] - Nero Cain, samantha97, Save The Dragons
Andresvmb [3] - Dunnstral, NDMath, T3
Enchant [3] - Vasex, WindowsXP, Enchant

I also think all of the Scum this game are here.

I think this is a sentiment i can agree with despite being in this pool

[WindowsXP]

I think ndmath is town this game

[WindowsXP]

I think ndmath is town this game

Okay but you’re defending Nero, and you think NDMath is Town. And obviously you’re going to argue that you’re Town. That’s a chunk of the pool of players I just said I think are Scum.

My vote IS on nero???

[WindowsXP]

andres is hitting blatant levels of towniness

[WindowsXP]

for the record save the dragons is l-1 right now

here's me not hammering

[WindowsXP]

also same as d1 we shouldnt rush the lim here

[WindowsXP]

That wasnt why i was townreading that slot but that does reinforce it for me

[WindowsXP]

alt-slip oops

You still haven’t answered - do you think both Koba and STD are Scum together?

Why not?

This is still avoiding answering directly and I don’t get it. Is that what you think yes or no? Don’t give me a why not - I’ve already expressed my views on both slots independent of that interaction.

I don't understand your TR of STD for not going after Koba at that point in time,

why would he even want to attack Koba? His vote is on Dunnstral who is the 2nd leading wagon it doesn't really make sense for him to attack Koba even if Koba is town.

I think it's possible they are S/S because of their awkward conversation here:



it feels weirdly stilted.

no its not

also why is ur link a discord link? is that where the scum PT is?

[WindowsXP]

Imagine trying to say I'm a good wagon when I was against the STD wagon.

[WindowsXP]

yes, my scum strategy involves letting all the people who scumread me stay alive.

[WindowsXP]

learn some fucking NKA you asses.

it literally is like basic logic and theres 100% scum on this wagon that's formed on me.

[WindowsXP]

k self defense done, we are getting nero today thx. VOTE: nero

[WindowsXP]

if this flips scum and yall try to STILL say im scum im gonna just self vote and let yall play i am not playing with a table who thinks they know better than basic logic.

[WindowsXP]

Ok now why windows is town:
Look at your previous game and check which one is typical scum behavior

A

Scum first accuse their partners and then back off once wagon on them gets serious.

B

Scum first defend their partners and then hop in once wagon on them gets serious.

Observe your previous games and you will see that B is the common case.

Also look at windows arguments, I didn't agree with them but they were reasonable. You can even see that the previous site thing was real.

I’m not the only one doing it. And Kerset has a solid point here.

Kerset also defended XP though. I don’t know man.

no andres, my scum strategy is to nightkill my biggest supporters

[WindowsXP]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

What are the chances...

...that scum thought WindowsXP!town was the traitor?
...that WindowsXP!scum was bringing up the topic of traitors to give the traitor an opportunity to manifest itself?

If scum thought WindowsXP!town was the traitor, then scum must have defended WindowsXP as their possible partner.

Remember how laboriously WindowsXP defended T3?

We might need to yeet Windows for the info.

this is why you were left alive as a CLEAR.

[WindowsXP]

Votecount 2.12

Save The Dragons

[10] - Kerset, bloodhail, Anastasia, Dunnstral, NDMath, Nero Cain, Etine, KittyTacky, Vasex, Enchant

[ELIMINATION]

Dunnstral

[5] - Rathe, samantha97, Save The Dragons, Almost50, Andresvmb

Nero Cain

[3] - WindowsXP, Marky Mark, DrippingGoofball

Not voting

- Cabd

With 19 players alive, it will take 10 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 2 is Wednesday, May 19 at 8:55 pm EDT. You have (expired on 2021-05-19 20:55:00).

Ana, Vasex, and Anastasia are on this wagon here on STD - this is an acceptable solve for me here.


I think NDMath is town based on meta, their reads have depth to them vs scum!them having lack of depth with their reads.

[WindowsXP]

I am not interested at all in anyone who was pushing the Dunns wagon d2 at all.

[WindowsXP]

Also - if enchant is still alive in Elo then I think they should be seriously looked at, especially if Nero does indeed flip red - bc the quickhammer onto STD starts to look scum motivated.


While their D1 suggests town, I don't want to discount a deepwolf.

[WindowsXP]

dkkoba why are the people voting for dunnstral yesterday off the table to you just out of curiosity

have you heard of basic logic?

[WindowsXP]

Imagine trying to say I'm a good wagon when I was against the STD wagon.

this doesn't mean what you think it means.

no andres, my scum strategy is to nightkill my biggest supporters

but etine was the shot as that explains why Kerset died, not Kerset.

Ana, Vasex, and Anastasia are on this wagon here on STD - this is an acceptable solve for me here.

notice how I'm not a part of this solve. XP knows I'm town.

i was looking at the STD wagon and accidentally put Anastasia twice. literally stop trolling

[WindowsXP]

VOTE: xp

l-1 go ahead and fakeclaim

nah ill let ur partner hammer so they can tell on themselves.

[WindowsXP]

nero is like blatant scum here but idc bc this town doesn't deserve scum handed to them on a silver platter here.

[WindowsXP]

I mean that a very arbitrary assumption to make ref bare entries in the list

you just have to put yourself in their shoes

the goal of making a list like that is to look town/justify pushes while not outing your team at the same time

it's not like it's impossible for nero to be mafia but it's enough for me to bet against for now

this is why u are alive lmfao

[WindowsXP]

I actually never gave an opinion on nero until today

you also didn't answer me

i dont care to answer people who arent reading me in good faith and refuse to use basic logic.

[WindowsXP]

but you think scum Nero leave Andre alive? nope

yes a lot of people leave andre alive

[WindowsXP]

well the reason I wanted to know is because, from my point of view, voting dunnstral isn't indicative of anything since mafia didn't know he was mafia

unless I'm missing something

???

[WindowsXP]

he flipped mafia wtf do u mean

[WindowsXP]

Kerset has been killed Night 2. They were a

Town 3-shot Vigilante

.

Dunnstral has been killed Night 2. He was a

Mafia Informed Traitor Neighbour

.

Etine has been killed Night 2. He was a

Town Lazy Babysitter

.

omg i just noticed this

[WindowsXP]

i saw red flip and didnt read more lmao

[WindowsXP]

who is dunns' neighbor

[WindowsXP]

also wasnt the big ass case on me that i was traitor?


yall really reaching so hard to find me scum

[WindowsXP]

if no one claims dunns' neighbor then they are confirmed to have had contact with scum

[WindowsXP]

MY DEFENSE OF T3 WAS DIFFERENT WITH VASTLY DIFFERENT REASONING YOU COULD NOT HAVE PLEASE STOP TROLLING

[WindowsXP]

yes u are scum who is trolling LMAO


i know who T3 was on Epicmaifa, i played chat mafia with them b4


u did not

u do not have the same depth of read I had.

ergo, my defense was based in assumptions that town would have made


yours were not.

[WindowsXP]

also, just remembered, but the reason I sided with andres during this game was bc he was in a previously ongoing game where I was scum and he was town and he was very much the same between those 2 games.

[WindowsXP]

VOTE: Anastasia

but fine. I will entertain this new evidence esp since u were off the STD wagon and nightkills dont necessarily point to u.

[WindowsXP]

well not new, but new to me.

[WindowsXP]

Actually I straight up encourage people to slog through just the first five pages of day one with the new flip knowledge. Does anyone else see things?

Koba, specifically looking to see if you see it.

not sure can u explain

[WindowsXP]

Ana, Vasex, and Anastasia are on this wagon here on STD - this is an acceptable solve for me here.

am I supposed to be 2 scum now?

yes

[WindowsXP]

are u claiming hoodmates with dunn?

[WindowsXP]

I actually never gave an opinion on nero until today

you also didn't answer me

i dont care to answer people who arent reading me in good faith and refuse to use basic logic.

Basic logic doesn't clear you (or anyone else) because Dunn was a TRAITOR. <<< TRAITOR means the main team didn't know his identity. You (or anyone else including me) could have thought he was actually Town and were pushing him for a mislim. Just my 2 cents.

do u not want a townread here?

[WindowsXP]

i do not understand yalls fascination with unclearing people like dont yall want to narrow the PoE lmao

[WindowsXP]

like XP. you're arguing that your defense of T3 was town but my defense was scum. You are also arguing that you aren't scum b/c Kerset died but you also think I'd kill Kerset whom was town reading me and that I'd leave Andre, you and Mark all alive. lol

Kerset was probably killed by Etine,

scum did not kill Kerset

it seems more likely that kerset shot etine

[WindowsXP]

stop trying to out town, XP. Also I was on the STD wagon and NKA is mostly ass.

NKA is not mostly ass, its very valuable.

it has led to my town wins nearly everytime when I am alive.

[WindowsXP]

i saw red flip and didnt read more lmao

I would have TR'd someone else for this, but coming from you it could very well be FAKE. (You should feel proud I hold your scum game to such high level of respect)

well it could be faked but also its how i am as town that I skim and dont read stuff carefully


caution is wise but i wish people were more ignorant of my meta

[WindowsXP]

idk LOL i just found kerset so towny that i refuse to think that a flipped town would try to kill them.

[WindowsXP]

kerset town

[WindowsXP]

cabd what happened to ur anastasia read btw?

[WindowsXP]

Anya has been killed Night 1. She was a

Town Universal Backup

.

anya wasn't in a hood their flip doesnt have neighbor as part of it

its safe to say if no one is claiming neighbor here, they were a scum neighbor and that the dunns wagon was mostly pure then because scum were informed of their partner.

[WindowsXP]

hey dkkoba can you produce a read list from t3 as mafia outside this game, maybe on epicmafia or whatever it was that you played with him on (with who else was mafia for context)?

also what is the point of traitor if you both are informed of who your team is and are placed with them in a pt...?

he NEVER played forum mafia before MS.

[WindowsXP]

I literally said part of my reasoning was that he was a total forum maf noob

[WindowsXP]

and the point of that is to have this sort of confusion and to reduce the number of scum who can endgame by 1

[WindowsXP]

like literally like if the hoodmate doesnt claim here its pretty much scumfirmed bc why do u hide that u are a neighbor?

its that the scum neighbor was prob defending dunns and was scum with them and them outting would expose that.

[WindowsXP]

and thus the push to get STD was influenced by the fact dunns was getting wagoned and to prevent that wagon from getting through.

[WindowsXP]

I'm not claiming.

The only thing I'm hardclaiming is that I was 100% not a neighbor with dunns.

[WindowsXP]

i will make yall learn how to play the game better rather than appeasing your demands that don't actually help catch scum.

[WindowsXP]

im neither confirming nor denying that.

[WindowsXP]

ana is pooky btw and a non hyperposting pooky is a scum pooky.

[WindowsXP]

i thought i said this the other night but like i guess i forgot to cuz i was high lmao

[WindowsXP]

Votecount 3.2

WindowsXP

[6] - DrippingGoofball, Rathe, Anastasia, bloodhail, Vasex, Nero Cain

Nero Cain

[1] - Andresvmb

Vasex

[1] - Marky Mark

Anastasia

[1] - WindowsXP

Not voting

- Almost50, NDMath, Enchant, KittyTacky, Cabd, samantha97

With 15 players alive, it will take 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 3 is Tuesday, May 25 at 10:35 am EDT. You have (expired on 2021-05-25 10:35:00).

Maf Cop - Maf Neighbor - Maf Traitor Neighbor

I disagree with the neighbor claiming. The absurdity of it being mafia provides a near-ic (agree that they should still be reconsidered lategame with context of electoral college mafia though) and thus should be kept hidden by waiting to claim.


@Andres Didn't get the chance to respond to it yesterday, but agree that your grouping of {Windows, Nero, Vasex, Myself} stuck out. (Yesterday I would've added you in too, but definitely not anymore.) I still want to trust my townread on vasex but it does seem less likely now. To me, Nero and Windows have both been caught in bad interactions with T3 and statements of half-truth. I'm struggling to decide one town one scum, since I don't think yesterday's interaction makes sense as w/w, but leaning windows as scum.

Also am scumreading Ana now; Out of time this evening will get to it tomorrow.

hey dkkoba can you produce a read list from t3 as mafia outside this game, maybe on epicmafia or whatever it was that you played with him on (with who else was mafia for context)?

also what is the point of traitor if you both are informed of who your team is and are placed with them in a pt...?

he NEVER played forum mafia before MS.

T3 played forum mafia on my homesite like 3 years ago actually.

I did not know this, and why did you not mention this?

[WindowsXP]

Also - what statements of "half truths" are you referring to that I made?

[WindowsXP]

Votecount 3.2

WindowsXP

[6] - DrippingGoofball, Rathe,

Anastasia

, bloodhail, Vasex, Nero Cain

Nero Cain

[1] - Andresvmb

Vasex

[1] - Marky Mark

Anastasia

[1] - WindowsXP

Not voting

- Almost50, NDMath, Enchant, KittyTacky, Cabd, samantha97

With 15 players alive, it will take 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 3 is Tuesday, May 25 at 10:35 am EDT. You have (expired on 2021-05-25 10:35:00).

wanna explain this ana?

[WindowsXP]

I know you can do better ND, why don't you show some better receipts alongside your accusations?

Or are you in an awkward position as scum where I am mistakenly townreading you and you don't know how to change your fake reads up and thus have to ignore reality and hope people don't notice?

[WindowsXP]

wanna explain this ana?

I am voting for you because I think you might be mafia

i mean ok im flipping green but ur next in that case lol

[WindowsXP]

In all seriousness Koba, let's minimize the chance of a not_mafia-esque scenario here where you're hammered, if there's hammer intent out there just do the claim.

nope. if someone hammers me and tries to cite my "lack of claiming" as why they hammered - instant lim that slot.

[WindowsXP]

So what, {Cabd, Anastasia, XP}? Or something? Maybe bloodhail?

i think so unless one of the townreads r rly outplaying everyone

what about enchant


i townread him off the T3 stuff but just looked at him and noticed hes been doing fuckall

i know this is weird but im locktowning blood based on this post bc its a sentiment i share from my perspective. (well not purely based on this post but this post locks it in)

[WindowsXP]

So what, {Cabd, Anastasia, XP}? Or something? Maybe bloodhail?

i think so unless one of the townreads r rly outplaying everyone

what about enchant


i townread him off the T3 stuff but just looked at him and noticed hes been doing fuckall

i know this is weird but im locktowning blood based on this post bc its a sentiment i share from my perspective. (well not purely based on this post but this post locks it in)

please stop trying to tie yourself to me

hey i dont give a fuck because im town and im not letting town fuck up bc u are making a shitty ass push on me

[WindowsXP]

just because of blood's comment im not claiming.

have fun.

[WindowsXP]

did nero claim their night results as gunsmith, i am just catching up.

[WindowsXP]

also i know this sounds opportunistic but like ive been lowkey like changing my mind on vasex throughout d2/d3 and i was afraid to out it bc i thought ppl would just think im scummy for it and i wanted to be able to gather evidence before i outted anything about it.

[WindowsXP]

i thought vasex trying to rush the elimination on day 1 was just a quirk as town - but now further evidence does suggest it was a scum intent to get the day over with fast. it seemed they were really awkward with me when i townread them and didnt know how to act around me

[WindowsXP]

XP's claim refusal tantrum is scum.

how?

[WindowsXP]

idk how yall like assign all these actions to scum and like when u push on ppl with that logic and they flip town u never update ur reading methods.

like please stop ramming your head against a pole - its clearly not working.

im not claiming out of spite yeah, but it isnt alignment indicative nor does a claim from me make me any more clear.

[WindowsXP]

windows is antispewing

you're so far up this tunnel that you can't see any light.

[WindowsXP]

are u votato bc only votato has been so blatantly town yet so hardtunnely on my slot when im town lmfao

[WindowsXP]

like i legit give my very honest reasoning as to why i thought t3 was legit and somehow im magically scum from that?

get real.

[WindowsXP]

also did ndmath eveer answer my questions let me check

[WindowsXP]

nope they did not

[WindowsXP]

@blood i will keep "antispewing" until someone hammers me. I don't care.
ask me whatever u want.

i will answer honestly and with depth.

if im indeed scum i am digging my own grave, but i am town here and have no fear in being open with my reads

[WindowsXP]

@everyone who is voting me: consider this: are you voting me because you are assuming i am scum and then working backwards to find that solution? or did you actually find something i said scummy?

if its the t3 thing, why is my explaination not sufficient? is it not genuine?

if its something else, why?

[WindowsXP]

as for the STD thing i cant really explain why i shifted my read there - sorry.

i would if i could.

[WindowsXP]

[vasex, ndmath, anastasia] may contain all scum i believe. if not, then the extension of [nero] should be enough. i honestly cannot see anyone else being scum here. obviously make sure to reconsider in Elo if there's any inconsistencies in who has died and who is alive.

[WindowsXP]

if i put my tinfoil hat on hard enough i can maybe see Mark too but that would be like a really far out read.

[WindowsXP]

im not claiming out of spite yeah, but it isnt alignment indicative

It absolutely is alignment-indicative.

judging people's alignments based on a claim is folly. if im scum i can think of a fakeclaim easily. i just did so in a mini normal very quickly when replacing into a slot that was near doomed. my intentions there were to abuse the fact taht people on this site assume pr claim = clear and stay alive.

if people actually want to evaluate my dayplay i'll claim but im gonna otherwise just use this as a lesson to stop thinking a claim is the only way out of a shitpush.

[WindowsXP]

like i legit give my very honest reasoning as to why i thought t3 was legit and somehow im magically scum from that?

get real.

In conjunction with your early comments about there being a traitor.

If it wasn't you sending out feelers about traitors, then who was it?

so you think - i told t3 in scum chat to claim 1 shot bp and then get him wagoned for it?

[WindowsXP]

im amazed at how stupid you think i am

[WindowsXP]

if i cared about surviving i would have claimed ages ago - you should be seeing this as more town indicative because my scum instinct is to placate and pull wool over the eyes as much as possible.

[WindowsXP]

also lowkey i want to try to bait scum to potentially target me for a nightkill still so perhaps thats why i am so ambiguous because i know i can eventually reach the right conclusions and make my push for a good PoE become a threat

[WindowsXP]

like i legit give my very honest reasoning as to why i thought t3 was legit and somehow im magically scum from that?

get real.

In conjunction with your early comments about there being a traitor.

If it wasn't you sending out feelers about traitors, then who was it?

so you think - i told t3 in scum chat to claim 1 shot bp and then get him wagoned for it?

No, I literally said that T3 made this claim without his team's approval.

and u think i was like "hey lets bring attention to it and make it look scummy!"

[WindowsXP]

u know what let me see if dunns spews me town. i want to believe that dunns spewed me town.

[WindowsXP]

Dunn vs STD giving me tvt vibes.

Dunn vs STD giving me tvt vibes.

Based on what?

I wouldn't say this atm

wait

[WindowsXP]

did they already know ? lol

[WindowsXP]

UNVOTE: XP,

Please read the game from the beginning and give me your theory about how the scum and the traitor were sending each other smoke signals and feelers.

I am unvoting to give you the time.

i mean like there is an obvious path which is nero being scum neighbor with traitor and they knew from the start - but i townlean nero's dayplay atm.

[WindowsXP]

Play to your Win Condition.

@KobaXP

claiming is not part of my wincon.

im pushing for scum.

me refusing to claim when there is no mechanical cc does not exclude me from being town.

[WindowsXP]

i mean thats ur choice to ignore dayplay over mech claim.

dayplay > mech claims always.

[WindowsXP]

i already explained as scum i would be easily able to find a claim that would buy me multiple days. i did it recently and i could do it again. im gonna make a point if i have to, i want people to look at my slot holistically not based on a claim.

[WindowsXP]

day play is what led us to this point lol

no, refusal to holistically approach my slot and scum pushing my lim led to here.

[WindowsXP]

wtf i didnt even interact with dunns this whole game? lol

[WindowsXP]

i dont know if samantha thinks he mafia or not maybe i missed it

I don't even remember any dunnstral posts this game

but the conclusion I came to in the nancy vs titus game was that, while town and mafia games seem kind of similar on the surface, his town games have passion behind his posts

You should read my posts

"hEY gUyS DunNS iS SigNaliNg tO SamaNthA"

[WindowsXP]

fine. i am VT, quite obvious, but i was referencing my mason gambit from my last large game with my letter M soft, I wanted to not do it again the same way to bait another nightkill like i did that last game.

[WindowsXP]

i didnt want to claim bc i know bad townies take a VT claim as an excuse to have a "safe elim"

[WindowsXP]

silence in the thread?

[WindowsXP]

its been nagging me but


i think town!nero implies scum!andres.

[WindowsXP]

Windows, when can I expect an answer to my question?

i dont need to be the one to do the research, i am burned out on this game and i need to come back with a refreshed mindset.

there are >10 other players here, go bother them for it

[WindowsXP]

its been nagging me but


i think town!nero implies scum!andres.

This is practically a Scum claim from you.

no, scum me is able to successfully pocket you.

as i have already done so twice.

why do you scumread me again?

[WindowsXP]

What. My reply is embedded in your quote.

No, it is. Every time I start turning on you in a game, and you’re Scum, you throw out a SR my way. I don’t know why, but you do.

hold up i think i got town receipts from the 3 mason game

[WindowsXP]

I'm really just tired of being ignored all game. Also i reread a little more and it seems like andres decided to stop pocketing me once the hangpool closed up a bit. How sad

[WindowsXP]

from raya's mini normal with the triple masons, once u stopped townreading me i also did so in return.


im still reevalling and ur not in my poe 100% i was just tossing out theories, but im also considering pov's from people who are town.


if that makes sense.

[WindowsXP]

Well its NAI i guess i subconsiously just do it as both alignments

[WindowsXP]

Windows, when can I expect an answer to my question?

i dont need to be the one to do the research, i am burned out on this game and i need to come back with a refreshed mindset.

there are >10 other players here, go bother them for it

Uncurious about the game solve, that's a scum claim.

VOTE: WindowsXP

what is wrong with u

like i literally have outted multiple evolving PoE solves and u attack me when im clearly exhausted from defending myself.

maybe i shouldnt have had u cleared and instead had it be me.

[WindowsXP]

in thread responses takes a lot less effort than rereading a whole ISO.

[WindowsXP]

whatever ur reasons are such moonlogic and depend on me dancing like a puppet for u when ive been clearly showing effort to solve the game.

[WindowsXP]

i will be back tomorrow after work to reread dunns.
but you're not going to bully me into doing it earlier.

[WindowsXP]

showing that t3 was defending u based on some meta from years ago is not the argument u think it is actually.

also re: half truths, that is such a blatant reach. plus that quote is from AFTER my question. where's the statements that reached you to that conclusion?



and acutally my townread on you has disintigrated pretty fast because as time goes on, your depth reduces.

[WindowsXP]

wow! a solo wagon with no viable counterwagon.

definitely looks like a scum getting wagoned here yup yup.

[WindowsXP]

anyways, after ndmath inevitably scummily hammers me, go :

Anastasia>NDMath>Vasex>Andres

[WindowsXP]

why are u defending me u are probably scum

[WindowsXP]

i dont understand

[WindowsXP]

everytime ive been limmed as town ppl just ignore anything i say and just go "koba was just being bad lol ignore anythign they said"

[WindowsXP]

ok well i give up bc if this town is gonna have DGB as clear and never dying bc scum know their reads are oftentimes flawed and manipulated easily its gonnna be a town loss at this point so.

[WindowsXP]

out of PR claims - the only 3 i would have doubt on would be Mark, Andres, and Nero. There is probably at least 1 scum in that pool.


Outside of that I think NDmath + Vasex make sense too.

u know that might just be the exact solve bc i dont see scum pooky reevalling me just for "towncred" because theres a pretty well defined path to win with me flipping town