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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:15 am
by Infinity 324
how do you distinguish between a white knight and just me townreading you

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:16 am
by Morning Tweet
DAY ONE
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Vote Count 1.3

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skitter30 [3]
: Roden, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

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Infinity 324 [2]
: Tetrina, Ydrasse

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ssbm_Kyouko [1]
: Cephrir

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Gamma Emerald [1]
: PookyTheMagicalBear

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Roden [1]
: Galron

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Tetrina [1]
: House

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Galron [1]
: ssbm_Kyouko

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DrippingGoofball [1]
: skitter30

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Cephrir [1]
: DrippingGoofball


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Not Voting [1]
: rousseau


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With 13 still hanging in there, it takes 7 votes to exile someone. If a majority is not reached by deadline, plurality will decide.


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The Day One deadline is in:
(expired on 2021-08-17 15:00:00)


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Mod Notes:
Doing the VCs by hand, let me know if there are errors!
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:35 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 389, DrippingGoofball wrote:Kyouko is my strongest town read.
May I ask about this?
FYI I could see Cephrir!scum atm

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:37 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 398, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:House truly null, Gamma and Pooky in null because they've both done things that are lightly towny and lightly scummy, and to me they feel balanced out.
tbh I think Pooky is slightly towny rn

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:37 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 399, rousseau wrote:what is the word for when everyone simultaneously wheels on infinity and it feels orchestrated but the individuals don't feel like mafia
Chinese fire drill/flash wagon?

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:42 am
by Infinity 324
In post 403, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 398, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:House truly null, Gamma and Pooky in null because they've both done things that are lightly towny and lightly scummy, and to me they feel balanced out.
tbh I think Pooky is slightly towny rn
huh why

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:46 am
by rousseau
In post 404, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 399, rousseau wrote:what is the word for when everyone simultaneously wheels on infinity and it feels orchestrated but the individuals don't feel like mafia
Chinese fire drill/flash wagon?
too hard to make sense of even with the big magnifying glass

like sure drippinggoofball + one of wheelers likely skitter partners if skitter mafia? but eh

if infinity mafia wheelers likely town

it just, like, everyone appeared from disparate places to scumread infinity at approximately the same time and other than tetrina also put effort into those scumreads and it does not feel particularly like that's just how things happen ya know

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:48 am
by Infinity 324
scumreading town!me is such an incredible experience, people couldn't resist for very long

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:53 am
by Tetrina
How can I trust you Infinity324?

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:15 am
by Infinity 324
i'm not sure how to answer that. i could tell you what i think the towniest thing i've done are but you'd have no reason to believe me really. try to look at whether i'm saying things to look like i'm solving and have nuance or because i really believe in them (i tend to be more emotionally attached to my reads as town). also in the past i've had trouble keeping up my motivation past day 1 as scum so look out for that.

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:32 am
by Tetrina
Can you promise you're town? I dunno if you're the type of person who would feel bad promising like that as a scum

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:34 am
by Infinity 324
i wouldn't feel bad about that, i think it's important to be able to do stuff like that as scum for the sake of game integrity.

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:54 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 403, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 398, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:House truly null, Gamma and Pooky in null because they've both done things that are lightly towny and lightly scummy, and to me they feel balanced out.
tbh I think Pooky is slightly towny rn
What do you think of this part of 308 re: Infinity's push on Skitter?
In post 398, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In Infinity's discussion with skitter, I really felt like I was being white knighted at first. I didnt say anything because I wanted to see how long it would go on, and it seemed to me that any push on skitter there was heavily tied to defending me. I'm going to reread this and see what I think today though.
I'm also curious though, as to why Pooky seems townie to you

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:56 am
by Ydrasse
In post 406, rousseau wrote:
In post 404, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 399, rousseau wrote:what is the word for when everyone simultaneously wheels on infinity and it feels orchestrated but the individuals don't feel like mafia
Chinese fire drill/flash wagon?
too hard to make sense of even with the big magnifying glass

like sure drippinggoofball + one of wheelers likely skitter partners if skitter mafia? but eh

if infinity mafia wheelers likely town

it just, like, everyone appeared from disparate places to scumread infinity at approximately the same time and other than tetrina also put effort into those scumreads and it does not feel particularly like that's just how things happen ya know
i don’t feel that this is a particularly rare occurrence? i can think of two times off the top of my head where there was something scummy that happened that town all jumped on at the same time, and both times it /was/ on mafia

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:58 am
by Infinity 324
In post 400, Infinity 324 wrote:how do you distinguish between a white knight and just me townreading you
@ssbm

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:58 am
by Ydrasse
i have some thoughts on the communication stuff from last night but i want to withhold my thoughts until the next one i think :<

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:58 am
by rousseau
In post 413, Ydrasse wrote:i don’t feel that this is a particularly rare occurrence? i can think of two times off the top of my head where there was something scummy that happened that town all jumped on at the same time, and both times it /was/ on mafia
it didn't feel like that to me though

like 'scummy thing happens! we will vote infinity for scummy thing!'

it felt like

'i am now scumreading infinity because...'
'i am now scumreading infinity because...'
'i am also scumreading infinity because...'

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:00 am
by rousseau
In post 416, rousseau wrote:like 'scummy thing happens! we will vote infinity for scummy thing!'

it felt like

'i am now scumreading infinity because...'
'i am now scumreading infinity because...'
'i am also scumreading infinity because...'
i am trying to say it felt like the bottom one not the top one (which is the situation i think you were describing)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:02 am
by Ydrasse
if the latter is the result of the first i don’t see a difference in the situations

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:02 am
by Ydrasse
like infinity has said some scummy things, so i am reading her as scum because of these things, so i will vote her

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:02 am
by rousseau
In post 418, Ydrasse wrote:if the latter is the result of the first i don’t see a difference in the situations
you think all of your reasonings align?

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:04 am
by Ydrasse
not 1-1

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:05 am
by Ydrasse
if you think all of us are individually not-scummy, do you take issue with the reasons we all have even if they aren’t the same?

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:07 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 414, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 400, Infinity 324 wrote:how do you distinguish between a white knight and just me townreading you
@ssbm
White knighting is used to counterattack skitter here. Essentially the same words could be used to TR me in a different context, where I'm not being pushed by skitter, and that's the distinction. It's because it's tied into your push on skitter who was pushing me at the time. You were using a defense of me in your push on skitter, rather than just explaining a TR on me. It's the context of the words that distinguishes the wk from the tr

VOTE: infinity I want to do this or DGB right now in the interest of consolidating a bit

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:08 am
by rousseau
In post 422, Ydrasse wrote:if you think all of us are individually not-scummy, do you take issue with the reasons we all have even if they aren’t the same?
i guess maybe only the main participants were being considered when i said individually not scummy; drippinggoofball's 'excessively conciliatory' post also noteworthy and would not classify it as such

it's just weird to see come together like that, like different reasonings reaching the same conclusion at the same time, hard to make sense of like i said