Manatee's Pokemon Large Theme | Game Over

[SirCakez]

im sheeping cakes

his reads r sexy af

DID YOU FUCKING POCKET ME POOKY????

[SirCakez]

WOULD THE MODS OF THIS GAME REALLY MAKE A SCUM VIGILANTE???

[SirCakez]

Damn we are rolling them this game
I'm finally on the right side of a large theme stomp ayyy

easiest game of my life

FUCK

[SirCakez]

I town

also i dont even care if i get miselimmed cuz this game is like ez win lol

relevant

VOTE: Imaginality

if this flips scum I get to gloat to cakes so this better not flip town

more

[SirCakez]

all right fuck this
in the posts and ISOs everything is telling me it's Milo
but my gut and paranoia are saying it's Pooky and he pocketed me super hard

[SirCakez]

isn't it a known fact that Pooky doesn't bus??

[SirCakez]

lol wut

mastina is so far out of her scum range she couldn't find her way back to it with GPS

come on y'all Pooky was dead on about this and so was I

[SirCakez]

Isn’t it a known fact bell is trash at scum?

One of those two facts is broken now. Which is it.

where are the receipts for bell being bad at scum?

[SirCakez]

Like cakez dude you’ve literally been paranoid of us since day one why would we EVER bring you here

SO YOU COULD USE THE ARGUMENT THAT POOKY HAS BEEN POCKETING ME??

[SirCakez]

its not milobird

bell way out of scum range

koba is the last possible baddie

FUCK ME MAN

[SirCakez]

I've literally never misread bell in my life

there's no way he suddenly went from "unable to post as scum" to "top posting god scum bell"

it's literally just koba

[SirCakez]

Also, fuck no.
You're cross voting each other Pooky. The end.
Vote Mastina.
Mastina votes you.

The end as far as I'm concerned.

-Bell

PUKE

[SirCakez]

ok fuck this fucking game
I am voting someone before the end of the day today
I just want to hear from Titus

[SirCakez]

This is not bell!town at endgame,

here's what bell!town in a large theme endgame looks like:

viewtopic.php?t=84709&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=34613&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go

There's 7 pages but if you just skim some of the last page you can see he looks completely fucking different from the spam machine that's hard at work here

It's not even the same person he's just scum here.

this link is broken as hell

[SirCakez]

ok im stepping away from this game to do work now but I'm thinking furiously about this

[SirCakez]

I do think the Bell from the last page of the ISO in Death Curse sounds different
less emotional and ragey, more analytical

[SirCakez]

I think I understand more how sircakez hunts. He doesn’t seem to have developed past a newer player’s mindset in regards to players. Rather he hasn’t made the connection that not only do town fuck up a lot but that they fuck up loud (e.g., koba, bell, Mastina) while scum try to obfuscate their mistakes and errors.

is this just shitty AtE or what?

[SirCakez]

Bell I literally looked at your elo play in Death Curse and you were analyzing posts and making arguments without emotion
here you're all like "rah rah Pooky is obvious scum SirCakez you suck"

[SirCakez]

is this notsci here right now?

[SirCakez]

Bell wtf how can you say you're the same in this game when you're so clearly spamming AtE at us

[SirCakez]

Bell wtf how can you say you're the same in this game when you're so clearly spamming AtE at us

ok but Bell is doing the same thing as you notsci so the point stands

[SirCakez]

I think I understand more how sircakez hunts. He doesn’t seem to have developed past a newer player’s mindset in regards to players. Rather he hasn’t made the connection that not only do town fuck up a lot but that they fuck up loud (e.g., koba, bell, Mastina) while scum try to obfuscate their mistakes and errors.

Note Pooky has blamed Koba had wrong reads repeatedly but he’s also mirroring your own mindset. That being wrong just means you’re scum when that’s not true. You need to be able to see not just what someone does but also what someone thinks. I can save this for post game though.

-Bell

example

[SirCakez]

it's AtE because you're trying to guilt trip me by calling me bad and implying that if I vote Pooky it will somehow make me a better player

[SirCakez]

there is still no good argument for why Pooky vigged his buddy apparently

[SirCakez]

what "content" have you given me???

[SirCakez]

I'm not voting you right now because I'm still considering Pooky despite how it may appear

[SirCakez]

But we knew we could win with our AtE instead of being mastina who would be more easily swayed.

also this is just not true because mastina is not vulnerable to the tactics you're using against me
whether you're town or scum here

[SirCakez]

i'm going to review the quote walls again later
I went through some of them and they were all about mastina so obv not useful

[SirCakez]

I fucking lied I'm about to pass out I can't make the vote tonight

[SirCakez]

...Has no one actually iso'd Pooky until I just did?

-Bell

I did very obviously earlier

[SirCakez]

He seems just as content less as always but at least he repeatedly pushed scum

[SirCakez]

Bell you need to explain to me what is different in the ISO between this game and other Pooky games
because yes it's barren but it doesn't look any different to me from any other Pooky game

[SirCakez]

Did you not notice that he knew he was Ralts and you said in his iso it looked like he didn't know he was ralts and then pooky came in and said he actually he didn't know he was ralts?

-Bell

I literally saw that night one in the PT but I don't understand how it signifies him being town or scum

And then later down the line said he didn't read the Ralts posts in thread. But said he had in your PT?

Sorry, where did he push scum?
I see that he voted scum.
I don't see where he pushed them.

-Bell

he never said he read Ralts posts
I kinda misstated with my restating from the PT
pooky said more along the lines of if you think Ralts is scummy then go ahead and shoot them

Pop quiz Sircakez.

Why would Pooky lie about not knowing who Ralts is.

-Bell

??????

[SirCakez]

Who replaced ralts?

dats me

idrc what ralts did lol

-Bell

ok this is a little funky yeah

[SirCakez]

Red light. He isn’t hunting sircakez, this is fundamental stuff.

-Bell

huh?

[SirCakez]

reading again but I just feel like we are going in circles here with your arguments because it's just turning into WELL YOU DID IT TOO and crap flinging

[SirCakez]

Red light. He isn’t hunting sircakez, this is fundamental stuff.

-Bell

huh?

Scum don’t have to solve to win the game, so they don’t.

Compare our iso or Koba’s iso to anyone that isn’t scum this game. All of us have opinions, thoughts, arguments.
Pooky does not share them because he does not have them.

I believe I’ve said this before but there will naturally be more to critizize us for as compared to pooky because when one of us is posting content and the other is not.

6 days? Yeah sure. I’ll dive.

-Bell

I don't buy this argument at all because we both know Pooky doesn't play the same way as you

[SirCakez]

Who replaced ralts?

dats me

idrc what ralts did lol

-Bell

ok this is a little funky yeah

how is this funky?

why would i care about what ralts did?

it seems like a disconnect from knowing you're Ralts to not knowing what Ralts did but it's not a big thing

[SirCakez]

7247 is convincing, IMO

7249 Pooky looks the same there as he does here
"Logical progression, questioning people, speculating on who is scum reading them and why stirring the game state. Accusations and changes/sudden reversals in reads. Curiosity of other player's perspectives."

Like I could definitely find quotes of this from this game

I'm shocked that Bell has now discovered I play differently in different games as if this wasn't known to him already....

Absolutely shocking news.

It's almost like every game has different players and different rules and I do whatever I think is fun with that playerlist/ruleset rather than follow the same rigid playstyle every game.

absolutely wild I know.

this response is kind of bad though
I dislike the defense "well yeah I was just different there!"

[SirCakez]

Yes, I'm aware we're going back to the topic of insulting sircake's competence. But I want it to be noted that Pooky didn't get real pressure because that reveal came late while Sircakez was like "he's just town" until later when it became "actually, he just shot Gyphx and hasn't done fuck all since" Not the greatest, I get it. But that provides more context for Pooky not doing more, because as scum he simply had little motivation to with Sircakez approach.

why are you even coming after me for this? everyone agreed with me that Pooky was probably cleared from the shot up until like day 9

[SirCakez]

He also sets barriers and has skepticism, he sets up hoops for me Toogoloo, and vaxkiller to play better so he can read us more showing some level of caution in who he elects to trust and follow. I'm not sure, but did Pooky ever elect to show skepticism of you Sircakez in this game? Neither of you knew the other was town based on what you've shared from your role pm. Did he ever show suspicion or curiosity? I'm actually not sure if he would as town show skepticism of you given how you might react and avoiding points of conflict but it's a thought to be thunk. A give away I think for normal scum would be just never showing skepticism of a player that has joined you in a neighborhood with an unknown alignment. I don't really like this angle and I don't think it will help you. But sharing it anyway.

-Bell

no he didn't but I assume he thought I was cleared in the same manner after we shot scum...
and Fire outed a clear on me too

[SirCakez]

happy birthday Bell!

[SirCakez]

Happy Birthday Bell.

Hope you spend your time on things that are more enjoyable than spamming this thread full of nonsense

.

In my opinion, Pooky does not say the bolded part as town, if you want to talk about knowing Pooky on a personal level perhaps apply your knowledge of him there. To note, I do not know Pooky that well as a person and don't really understand his underlying motivations. We haven't really interacted outside of games of mafia.

-Bell

I just don't think this is true

[SirCakez]

I want to dive mod meta because I don't think it's been considered enough how fucking weird it would to be to have a role with a town-scum vig pairing

[SirCakez]

frick that was useless they've only modded two open games

[SirCakez]

like I've said not much is changing here :/
all the logic and scumhunting is pointing me at Milo but my gut and paranoia continues to say Pooky

[SirCakez]

i know
im just thinking out loud

[SirCakez]

I don't understand what the thing about the role stopper means for solving here

[SirCakez]

Ok I get it
That's +scum Pooky points but not definitive in my eyes

[SirCakez]

Except I’ve proven in thread (which can be checked by checking around the mod posts on the topic) I understanded how it worked and would know the poison would kill.

But Cakez is too pocketed by /logic/ to see so it doesn’t matter!

stop saying this shit I'm clearly not pocketed here or I would have voted you guys out already

[SirCakez]

I'm literally agreeing with you that this makes Pooky look a lot worse here

[SirCakez]

Pooky's counterarguments are not very good here

[SirCakez]

my brain is fried by finals right now

[SirCakez]

that's why I'm telling them to stop doing it
you guys are both doing things that are just annoying and could be scum tactics

[SirCakez]

you guys are honestly both so frustrating because you're both like YOU'RE THE WORST PLAYER EVER HOW COULD YOU NOT SEE THAT THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY SCUM
like no shit!

[SirCakez]

walking away again now need to keep studying

[SirCakez]

you guys are honestly both so frustrating because you're both like YOU'RE THE WORST PLAYER EVER HOW COULD YOU NOT SEE THAT THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY SCUM
like no shit!

I don't think I have ever said this to you and I am sorry if I made you feel that way.

I know it's not what you said explicitly but it's like the vibe I'm getting
it's just like an extremely difficult decision but obviously it's hard to see that from your PoV
I've been on the other side of this in a LyLo before and it sucks

[SirCakez]

I agree with Milo here - wasting a shot on someone who is already dead just to get rid of a potential cop result when scum were so down in numbers doesn't make much sense

[SirCakez]

Except consistent mood is typically a scumtell, real emotion is fickle and subject to change at all times. Especially with me, where my erratic ness is on record

see this is the kind of stuff that's driving me so crazy
you claim this is a towntell
Pooky claims it's a scumtell because you're being inconsistent therefore it's faked

it's impossible to believe anything y'all say because of this

[SirCakez]

I keep having weird dreams and visions where I finally vote one of you and then the other person was the scum and they gloat in my face

[SirCakez]

Goddamn 7752 is so town I'm not sure scum!Bell could write that post

[SirCakez]

can you show me these "pookits"? I've never heard of this before

[SirCakez]

Titus where you at right now?

[SirCakez]

ok I believe you but like can you give me a game he did it in bc I want to read it over

[SirCakez]

yeah I was looking for a specific example where Pooky was scum and totally snowed someone

[SirCakez]

yeah I was looking for a specific example where Pooky was scum and totally snowed someone

Oh. This shouldn't be that hard. Pooky could quote some games himself but because he's oppositional scum I don't think he would.

I think an example would be how Pooky approached Alisae in smoke filled chambers.

-Bell

lmao I forgot about this when Alisae claimed Masons with scum Pooky
that is a good example

[SirCakez]

check this out: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12253101

[SirCakez]

yeah I was in that game Bell

[SirCakez]

what if all the evidence pointed to one person instead of having a mountain of evidence implicating both people
that would be nice

[SirCakez]

You could tell me the mod fucked up and both of you are town and I'd believe you lol

[SirCakez]

what if all the evidence pointed to one person instead of having a mountain of evidence implicating both people
that would be nice

Could you explain what you're referring to?
If you're expecting a clear answer.

Just go with what Notty said.
I'm simply making an argument of capacity.

-Bell

I'm not I'm just thinking out loud

[SirCakez]

I would strongly recommend that you vote Pooky and focus on your finals.
This is simply too much cognitive load on top of that.'

Yes I know me saying that is annoying. Saying it anyway because I genuinely think that will help you.

-Bell

this argument is pretty filthy but also convincing

[SirCakez]

but I want to wait to do the vote until after I'm done w finals Monday because when I put it down I'm going to be obsessively in this thread for a long period of time and I don't have time for that right now

[SirCakez]

I don't put too much water into that Mastina wall bc she was wrong on me like all game

[SirCakez]

I wasn't wrong all game what are you talking about
My big miss was Koba other than that most of my scumreads and townreads were right

[SirCakez]

Titus what's up?

[SirCakez]

my last final is tomorrow at 8 AM don't worry about time
it's not like I have work to do here I've been thinking about this every day when time comes I can put a vote down

[SirCakez]

Holy fucking shit
Whoever the scum is here is getting a Don Corleone nom from me

[SirCakez]

I've seen posts from both of y'all that I'm convinced could not be written if you were scum
But SOMEONE HAS TO BE

[SirCakez]

1) Good luck cakeboy

Thanks I sure fucking need it (for my final and for this vote lol)

[SirCakez]

Thinking thinking thinking

[SirCakez]

I guess one thing worth considering here is that the scum is probably just as pissed as whoever the town is here so the AtE doesn't mean much

[SirCakez]

You guys are making me just want to vote whoever is the most toxic spammer

[SirCakez]

Frankly I don't feel any more posts can significantly change my mind here
Just a matter of deciding

[SirCakez]

Goddamn I have to decide here today
This may be the hardest mafia game I've ever played

[SirCakez]

6 hours

[SirCakez]

If I'm wrong whichever one of you it is better not gloat
Okay you can gloat a little but don't be obnoxious

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Milo
Ultimately for me it all goes back to the fact that Pooky vigged a teammate when there's absolutely nothing to suggest that he would do this as scum
And the mods would have had to put in a scum vig role paired with town
And Milo's ISO before today was truly horrific
And I don't believe imaginality bussed his entire team
And the AtE from Milo all day today feels so wrong

PLEASE DON'T HURT ME

[SirCakez]

IM SO SCARED

[SirCakez]

BABY TAKE ME HOME

[SirCakez]

OH GOD OH GOD

[SirCakez]

WHAT HAVE I DONE???

[SirCakez]

It's okay Pooky

[SirCakez]

Nothing can hurt me anymore I'm on break now

[SirCakez]

It's okay

[SirCakez]

It's all gonna be okay now

[SirCakez]

It's gonna be okay Pooky it's gonna be okay

[SirCakez]

We're okay now

[SirCakez]

They can't hurt me anymore

[SirCakez]

What are you talking about Pooky?
We won it's okay

[SirCakez]

https://youtu.be/kWUV5-frRU4
Watch this one it's so good

[SirCakez]

Helllooooo
Is anyone out there??

[SirCakez]

Coloratura
We fell in through the clouds
And everyone before us is there welcoming us now
It's the end of death and doubt
And loneliness is out
Coloratura
The place we dreamed about
The melodies inside yourself
And love come pouring out
And everyone's allowed
We're feathered by the crowd
And up there in the heavens
Galileo and those pining for the moon
Know it's a slow burn
Through Pioneer and Helix
Oumamama, Heliopause, and Neptune
We're a slow burning tune
But we'll get there
So for now
In this crazy world, I do
I just want you
In the end, it's all about
The love you're sending out
And up there in the heavens
The explorers who've all gathered by balloon
Saw the world turn
Through Voyager, Callisto, Calliope
Betelgeuse, the neon moons
We're a slow burning tune
But we'll touch down soon
So will you
And in this crazy world, I do
I just want you
And up there in the heavens
Galileo saw reflections of us too
Pluribus unum, unus mundus
And all the satellites imbue
The purple, yellow, green, red, orange and the blue
Oh, it's a crazy world, it's true
Sing it out
Oh-oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh-oh
Oh-oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh-oh
And in this crazy world, I do
I just want
In this crazy world, it's true
I just want you
Poets prophesy up in the blue
Together, that's how we'll make it through

[SirCakez]

It's gonna be okay Pooky
It's okay

[SirCakez]

It's okay

[SirCakez]

Thank god it's over

[SirCakez]

GG

[SirCakez]

YUP I BET HE DID

[SirCakez]

Bell and notsci did everything right it was just impossible for me to decide

[SirCakez]

Yeah but the whole game was so bloodthirsty at that point that I don't really blame them I'm sure someone else would have

[SirCakez]

You guys did absolutely nothing wrong it's my fault don't blame yourselves

[SirCakez]

I couldn't get past the fact that Point vigged scum in the end
I think had that not been a factor I would have been swayed

[SirCakez]

Pooky not point lol

[SirCakez]

I fucked up and forgot you were a co-mod on this game SS
I would have totally discounted the point about not having a scum vig in the game

[SirCakez]

Everyone is telling me this mech case is so strong but I don't understand why it was only brought up at literally like three days before the final deadline of the game when it occurred much earlier

[SirCakez]

I really wish the peak moment of this game had not happened when I was up to my face in shit irl with finals

[SirCakez]

Well obviously now

[SirCakez]

Yeah
I wish it had been solved earlier so someone could have smacked me in the face with it harder
Because I only had Milo arguing for it and I was suspicious of them so it was just hard to consider as much as I should have

[SirCakez]

Pookys argument that scum just double tapped TIL in retrospect was obviously stupid but in that 1v1 man....I couldn't make heads or tails of anything because there was so much shit flinging going on and I was so unsure and I had literally no one to talk to because Titus couldn't help either

[SirCakez]

People are saying "it's so obvious it was Pookys xD xD" but it's soooooo easy to say that when you were sitting in dead or spectator chat with a dozen people talking about it and you already knew who it was and you weren't sitting here with like 50 pages of posts from the same two people blasting you with AtE and "xD the other person is obviously scum" over and over on top of the shit I was dealing with irl leaving me with no time or brain power to work here

[SirCakez]

Yeah and you had been doing that all game with multiple chained mislims so I was taking that with a grain of salt

[SirCakez]

I did consider 1) but I thought there was a good chance that Milo left me alive because they thought I'd be easier to sway than Mastina, and other confirmed town were dying every night anyways

[SirCakez]

Leave notty alone I guarantee someone else would have done it if he didn't

[SirCakez]

Who cares? It's over and done with all we can do is do better next time there's no point beating people with sticks about it and acting all holier than thou

[SirCakez]

gg koba enjoy your break

[SirCakez]

The problem was people got it into their heads that we just couldn't miss after nailing Dwlee and imaginality and having so many spare mislims that we could just kill everyone. I was guilty of that myself.

[SirCakez]

No one is saying the Wisdom quicklim was smart or good play lol