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[Lukewarm]

But my issue with that, is that it puts us right back where we are today in regards to CoF

[Lukewarm]

My role:

I'm Banquo
I'm the crier, I can send a message during the dawn phase
If I die I can continue to send a message during each dawn phase (not just the night after)
My sticks and stones ability is that I can't be protected from dying at night
It costs 5 gold to remove that part (which I have bought)

Was there a reason you originally claimed to only do one dying message, a Final Monologue, instead of this?

[Lukewarm]

I don't know where the Ariel vote comes from, unless I did that and the killblock was just coincidental. The fact that both the nightkill and oth's vigilante kill seemingly failed should be something to keep in mind, though?

and again, what reason would scum!me have to change my claim to something completely unbelievable like this?

Have you misunderstood oth's claim? They claimed that their ability always fails if they target town. So, their ability failing is not unexpected.

CoF, can you try voting for someone and then immediately voting for someone else.

I would like to see if you have an extra vote

[Lukewarm]

Why Child wagoned?

They started to be wagoned day one, and then they claimed to be poisoned. They claimed they were going to die night 3. Then on day 3 they claimed that they had a mystery gold ability. They did not die night 3. They are now claiming that they lied about being poisoned day one and that they lied about not knowing what their gold ability did on day 3.

Definitely worth being scrutinized imo

[Lukewarm]

@enchant. We are doing a mass claim.

You are the only one who has not claimed yet. Please full claim.

[Lukewarm]

So it doesn't get lost on old pages.

@Titus I have a hanging question for you in 2905

@notty @spiff I have a hanging question for you in 2905

Spoiler: 2905

Who all has full claimed?

I did. Wisdom did. OTH did. Icebox did. Pav did. LLD did.

@Skybird claimed roleblocker - was that all?

@Titus you claimed your guess the night kill ability - was that all?

@Bowser Jr claimed to be a neighborizor in our hood - did that ability work last night? They also gave a post restriction. (That feels like a complete claim, but let me know)

Dunn and enchant I don't think I have seen anything from

[Lukewarm]

Please vote again cof. To see if it takes your second vote or something

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: enchant

Please claim. Thanks!

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

I am The Tempest from The Tempest. This is not a lie. I don't know where Ariel came from in this vote count. As for my role, I am a dreaming god. I can choose one of four abilities based on a line of text, without knowing exactly what an ability does. I can't directly quote flavor, so bear with me:

- Night 1 I used one that involved being as free as mountain winds, and day 2 was shortened with no explanation. I've been assuming this was me for lack of anything better.
- Night 2 I used one that accquaints a man with strange bedfellows, and the next day everybody had neighbourhoods. The mod confirmed I caused this, and I was told how it worked. I had the option to buy in to another play's neighbourhood for 5 gold apiece, but I only had three at the time.
- Night 3 I used one that had the word "Awake" in it a lot. The next day, no kills happened and oth is still alive. I would assume oth not being able to vote or be voted means their ability fired, but they weren't allowed to die so this happened as consolation.

Okay, so your first ability was "Thou shalt be free As mountain winds." And it shortened the day

Second ability "misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows" and it made the hoods

Third ability "Shake off slumber and beware. Awake, awake!" and it created the Ariel vote in the vote count.

What is the fourth ability?

[Lukewarm]

I have confirmed with the mod a way for you to tell us what your ability says. You can reference the play instead of the role pm.

For example, my commute ability is "Midsummer Nights Dream, Act 2, Scene 1, Line 144 and 145"

Can you look that up to tell us what your fourth ability is?

[Lukewarm]

So it doesn't get lost on old pages.

@Titus I have a hanging question for you in 2905

@notty @spiff I have a hanging question for you in 2905

Spoiler: 2905

Who all has full claimed?

I did. Wisdom did. OTH did. Icebox did. Pav did. LLD did.

@Skybird claimed roleblocker - was that all?

@Titus you claimed your guess the night kill ability - was that all?

@Bowser Jr claimed to be a neighborizor in our hood - did that ability work last night? They also gave a post restriction. (That feels like a complete claim, but let me know)

Dunn and enchant I don't think I have seen anything from

That's the only role I have.

VOTE: Enchant

Do you visit the person you guess ?

Who did you guess each night?

[Lukewarm]

Enchant is at e-2, and I am worries that Ariel will auto hammer

UNVOTE:

Enchant is still my preferred vote. Just not quite ready for the day to just end

[Lukewarm]

The dreaming god claim gives me pause. Ffery and I just played in a game with a dreaming god (Isekai), and I could see that resulting in her adding one to the game. I can also see the tempest being a role that would get a dreaming god rope card.

Also, both the shortened day and the mass hoods were up to now unexplained, and no one else claimed them.

Also, the Ariel vote is obviously coming from child of Fairies, and if you are already fake claiming dreaming god, why not say you think your ability made the Ariel vote but you don't know how it works? Why make an outlandish, and provable wrong claim like having a mass kill stop? - the alternative here being that they really are a dreaming god, and simply did not know what their ability did.

[Lukewarm]

If this is a fake claim, it is a incredible one.

It is absolutely on point flavor wise, with a flavor that CoF claimed early day one.

It explains three different, up to now unknown abilities.

And there was a purposeful "mistake" towards guessing what one of their abilities did, so that we would think they don't know what their ability does. Which is a pretty impressive move to make.

[Lukewarm]

That’s our full claim and I didn’t use it bc I was watching to see how today shook out

Is there ever a benefit to not neighborizing the only person you can neighborize? I don't understand

[Lukewarm]

Not that I ever even cared about whether you got into your hood or not, I was mainly trying to get Titus to answer without realizing that I was directly looking at her

I know that Titus visited someone night 1, and I did not see a claim as to why she would have visited them

[Lukewarm]

I'm looking back at Cephir, and I am unsure why he voted OTH in 2114. OTH claimed that they were a town vig that shot at him over night before that vote in 2069.

I feel like there were plenty of people suspectic OTH because they claimed to be self clearing, but were suddenly backpeddling on if they could. But seeing the full claim, Cephir should have immediately known why their clear failed since he was bulletproof.

I kind of feel like he should have then believed that they were town, since there still was a mafia kill that night, so this shot at him had to come from a vig.

Like, from his pov, OTH was either a town vig, or they were scum who knew he was bulletproof and then made up their claim to fit with it.

I don't like the vote, but he does walk it back soon after in 2169. So maybe that was him realizing that? I wish he was here for me to ask

[Lukewarm]

Presume so, never checked

If you did not know that you visited people, what was this?

There's three people who claim lost gold. I'm wondering if the lost gold comes from visiting the same target.

[Lukewarm]

Me questioning something that I had questions about makes your read on me plummet? That's probably not a great way to read someone.

[Lukewarm]

It feels more like he's looking to discredit me to promote a CoF elimination or save Enchant or save Pav (this one is unlikely since I am mostly alone in my SR there)

Are you even reading my posts that are not about you? Lol

I just town cased CoF and found something new I find suspicious about enchant.

(I also just town cased you a couple pages ago, but saw something that bothered me)

[Lukewarm]

I think it was a misunderstanding of your role though.

I thought your ability was "guess the night kill" and so I was expecting another ability from you that you used night one, andd it caught my interest that you had not claimed anything else.

Turns out your ability is more like "target a player, and if that player dies over night create a PT with them"

[Lukewarm]

Anyways, does anyone have any thoughts on 2985 before we just kill enchant?

[Lukewarm]

Thanks Bell

VOTE: enchant

[Lukewarm]

I'm not sure how Luke is seeing CoF as town when I feel their are parts of their claim that doesnt' add up.

What parts do you not think add up?

[Lukewarm]

Luke's sudden defense of CoF is weird and I don't love it.

The way this is framed gives me hives

[Lukewarm]

But isnt lld conftown from your role?

^^^

I feel meh about our wagons but don’t care to try and derail at this point. I think CoF is a DG regardless of alignment and the main thing I took issue with was then saying they had mod confirmation what they did

If you **were** derailing, where would you go?

[Lukewarm]

I had not actually considered scum dreaming god.

I kinda made the leap from "I think they are telling the truth about being a dreaming god" to them being town.

Ugh. I guess I need to re-iso them

[Lukewarm]

Scum dreaming god isn't impossible, just rare since it's a really useless role for scum to end up with. None of my abilities so far would help scum in any way.

I don't think so. Shortening deadline means town has less ability to control where the vote goes because there's more pressure to compromise, and hoods are pretty strong pocketing tools for scum.

-GE

Also, if you are scum, you could have decided with your team to forgo last night's killing opportunity to get town cred.

I am not sure this follows through. So far, all of their dg abilities were announced. The shortened day. The hoods. And now the Ariel vote on the vote count.

Does not make sense to me that they would have purposefully no killed to claim they stopped it, but then also activate their Ariel ability to fairly obviously disprove it. I don't think that the scum team ever no kills.

As the day has gone on, I am leaning even more towards the idea that I successfully drew the night kill. With an off chance that you stopped wisdom - but I am leaning town on him, so I am not leaning that way. But I still think that is a more likely solution then scum choosing to no kill.

[Lukewarm]

Ever no kills *here*

[Lukewarm]

By existing in the first vote count of the day lol

[Lukewarm]

I am surprised. I thought it was gonna auto hammer

[Lukewarm]

It does seem to count towards the total votes in play though, so it actually makes the elim need +1 vote to go through otherwise

[Lukewarm]

Well... That's apparently a thing

[Lukewarm]

Congrats Bell! I was rooting for you by the end

[Lukewarm]

Congrats Bell! I was rooting for you by the end

[Lukewarm]

Congrats Bell! I was rooting for you by the end

But y tho.

-Bell

I wanted you to get revenge on notty for bloodstained lmao.

He had you completely convinced he was town, and you got to return the favor

[Lukewarm]

Although - Bell, why did you decide that I was such a priority to kill? Like, you tried to kill me off. Twice. All while there were TWO mech cleared townies out there, skybird and LLD lol

[Lukewarm]

Although - Bell, why did you decide that I was such a priority to kill? Like, you tried to kill me off. Twice. All while there were TWO mech cleared townies out there, skybird and LLD lol

And you had me pocketed. HARD lol

[Lukewarm]

Re:The Vanilla Potion thing.

I see that it was intentionally separate from the other abilities, even looking at the role pm the gold ability is separated from the others. But I do see LLD's point that that could have been clearer. A simple "gold purchase options are treated differently then your normal abilites" line somewhere under the gold mechanic rules in the OP.

[Lukewarm]

I do wish we still had Lukewarm about.
I feel he's the sort who could figure this out.

I saw this, and it gave me a nice ego boost. But it turns out that Bowser forced you to do it

[Lukewarm]

Although - Bell, why did you decide that I was such a priority to kill? Like, you tried to kill me off. Twice. All while there were TWO mech cleared townies out there, skybird and LLD lol

And you had me pocketed. HARD lol

I did end up killing LLD because I was worried she would flip on me for how I was playing with her in the neighborhood. I didn't think she was cleared just for having a neighborizor/watcher role. It was townie but Bowser was pushing pretty hard for them in the neighborhood and so I could delay it there.

-Bell

Lld was hard cleared by Off the Hook's vig shot that back fired.

[Lukewarm]

So, I kinda got real invested in that sonnet I wrote before

I reposted it into my gtkas page and added a stanza by stanza commentary if anyone is interested

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13180112