open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[innocentvillager]

yeah it's that simple gj

[innocentvillager]

i just had a crazy dream 5 minutes ago that andante, mare, and faker was the scumteam and i pm'd the mods to lifetime ban me out of shame

[innocentvillager]

only a true weirdo fakeposts about mafia game dreams as scum

RC once actually had some kind of insane experience as town where he remembered events from a game that hadn't actually happened which then mirrored exactly what happened in the game he was in.

later

, he then faked having a similar experience in a game where he was scum for towncred.

it's not super beyond the realm of possibility.

ooooh watch out rc 2.0 here

but no

[innocentvillager]

i mean surely you get uninterested as scum too and it was during holiday season anyway so good excuse to step away and come back i don't see how that's unbelievable

you've been a little follow-y at times yea? but also for example if town is on the wrong track i could see you taking this approach d1

but yeah idk ill keep this in mind for tomorrow or something and maybe we can cross check ur meta a little (assuming im alive lol)

[innocentvillager]

Is it bad to town read Norths dream?

No, I was actually kinda thinking the same way. It's dumb, but it's not as dumb as my reason for townreading midwaybear.

and what is that?

[innocentvillager]

ok catboi ill give you that you're probably not scum with flow trap

and also midway

so that's kind of looking bad for my team selection

[innocentvillager]

Wait nope 2835 good point that last line reads poorly

BACK ON WE GO

VOTE: Sleepless

yeah i was honestly like slightly pinged by that as well, i wouldn't say that last part if i was town

[innocentvillager]

i kind of liked catboi's 2871 -> 2886 progression at least

pedit: yeah what faker said

[innocentvillager]

and what is that?

Based on my data no scum has landed 3rd in the draft with a number lower than 8, in fact they have been pretty consistently high (8, 9, 10, 11). If this sounds like a bullshit statistical coincidence, that's because it is, but I think the logic makes at least a tiny amount of sense because based on the data when scum go for a medium-low number they often also go for a lower which might collide, but it if it does, the medium-low number is likely to score a very good place in the draft (higher than 3rd).

Look, I warned you that it was dumb.

seems like too specific/not enough data for me to materially change my read but fair enough, interesting

[innocentvillager]

ok catboi ill give you that you're probably not scum with flow trap

Why not

don't think he would've been as chilled out if so

he pushed flow as scum for a little bit then kind of switched to you sort of jarringly

but he's not really like, pushing you either

i guess i just thinks he tries harder to avoid his partner's elim given his playstyle avoiding unnecessary bussing when flow was getting some heat already

but idk honestly cuz if catboi didn't tell me that meta bit about himself i wouldn't have made that conclusion so idk

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: midwaybear

[innocentvillager]

wouldn't it be really funny if these two wagons were both town and midway was scum and we were just wasting our time here

i think it would be

it would be a painful kind of funny, yeah.

it's really not that unlikely

[innocentvillager]

there is too much resistance to a sleepless vote here for sleepless to be town

there is too much resistance to a midway vote here for midway to be town

[innocentvillager]

Look at midways handling of the two wagons.

He had a gut town read on flow, saw the wagon and went "meh maybe I could vote there" but stuck to the gut read and voted me instead. That's a natural thought process. That's not scum with an agenda.

scum can fake whatever thought process they want if both you and flow are town

and if flow is town isn't that a great excuse to posture around ultimately voting you?

[innocentvillager]

ugh idk upon further reflection if midway is town this is a bad idea

i don't see this post coming from scum

[innocentvillager]

iv literally nobody is calling skitt scum rn wtf

a lot of people have her at null, sort of including me

i thought that post she wrote was unlikely to come from scum

[innocentvillager]

guys there's so much resistance to a midway wagon he must be scum

[innocentvillager]

guys there's so much resistance to a midway wagon he must be scum

iv idk if i say this enough but i appreciate you

once is all i need from u daddisi

[innocentvillager]

skitter uk ur not vla if u post 50 times a day u can drop the always vla act from ur avi thing

[innocentvillager]

sleepless is maf and yall are letting him get away...

ha ha ha no one listening to u andante ! we will night kill u to shut u up and no one will be there 2push us 2moro !!

[innocentvillager]

all of my change i spent on you

vote count 1.8 !

Sleepless Assassin (6):

northsidegal, Menalque, Andante, Faker, catboi, Mare

flow trap (5):

skitter30, Datisi, Sleepless Assassin, SirCakez, innocentvillager

midwaybear (1):

flow trap

Faker (1):

Something_Smart

not voting (1):

midwaybear

14 are alive, and it takes 8 votes to posthumously nominate someone for the rock and roll hall of fame. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-01-06 14:00:00)

other ideas

• did you know that skitter30 is vla on fridays and saturdays?

Sleepless Assassin (6):

northsidegal, Menalque, Andante, catboi, Faker, midwaybear

midwaybear (5):

flow trap, Datisi, innocentvillager, skitter30, SirCakez

flow trap (2):

Sleepless Assassin, Mare

Faker (1):

Something_Smart

this is the new VC i believe

[innocentvillager]

@Something_Smart can u please choose a wagon

Sleepless, please be around to vote for whoever isn't you, whether that's midwaybear or flow trap

don't worry, it's not ending in a no hammer

[innocentvillager]

8/14 is more than normal (7-7 split is a no-elim) especially when our plist is already polarized

in all likelihood unless these are both scum like literally i can't see how we actually kill scum with this little time left but /shrug

[innocentvillager]

i feel like scum don't have to try very hard to manipulate the votes such that it ends on town given how clueless some of us are with how little time there is left.

[innocentvillager]

i wanna know if

flow trap, Datisi, innocentvillager, skitter30, SirCakez, Sleepless Assassin

OR

northsidegal, Menalque, Andante, catboi, Faker, midwaybear

has more scum in it (Mare and SS being on neither side really)

[innocentvillager]

if this is TvT then it's just dumb.

also yeah i kind of neglected work these past two weeks but tbh they were a little more chill. i probably won't be around during the weekdays daytime nearly as much as i've been recently. skitter sorry to hear about your ankle sprain. Hopefully it gets better, i sprained my foot 7 months ago and it's still not back to 100%.

[innocentvillager]

i feel like scum don't have to try very hard to manipulate the votes such that it ends on town given how clueless some of us are with how little time there is left.

hm, wouldn't you think that scum would have either already done that if they easily had the capability to, or we were never going to hit scum at all and so they don't need to?

in other words, i don't think that a town elimination is inevitable unless the major wagons {flow, sleepless, midway} are all town. does that make sense and is it clear how i'm disagreeing with what you said? maybe it's not super important

i mean sure they could've already been in a spot to ensure the town elimination

i just think regardless of the initial setup, i think it's very unlikely that if flow or midway are the only scum here that they end up dying over sleepless because of how many votes are needed, they can just stall out until one of us gets impatient and hammer sleepless. And i think if sleepless is the sole scum there's a big chance that scum can get us to consolidate on flow or midway. maybe idk how exactly it's gonna happen, all i know is that the odds aren't in our favor here.

skit idk why i ended my comment with that sorry. i was going to add how my case is a very tail end of the distribution and that the vast majority of people recover in a couple months so odds are very in your favor. good luck

[innocentvillager]

what

who tf cares what midway's draft position is

if we think he's scum we kill him

it's that simple

[innocentvillager]

killing a TPR is worse than killing a VT but killing a SPR is better than killing a goon so it's the same thing??

[innocentvillager]

like if we want to kill midway we should just kill him

the claim part is just a formality at this point

[innocentvillager]

im just saying flipping midway is higher risk higher reward than flipping a different slot in terms of mechanical advantage for town

so EV wise it's probably similar to flipping someone who's either VT or goon

we had 5 on midway functionallity 6 with SS's vote, maybe Mare and Sleepless would join too

[innocentvillager]

ugh idk upon further reflection if midway is town this is a bad idea

Midway we get him to claim the town PR of the pair he drew, then not vote him because of it, what the fuck is even the point

Yeah i was thinking this
VOTE: flow

lol is this why u thought it was a bad idea?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: flow fine

[innocentvillager]

cakez i think u need to move unfortunately

[innocentvillager]

lmao sleepy is not a pr

[innocentvillager]

oh u mean midway

lmao

ya idt it matters but someone else might ya

[innocentvillager]

i don't think midway goes through at this point considering there's intent on sleepless and considering that someone will probably chicken out after a pr claim

i mean you and skitter basically just did

[innocentvillager]

but its fine doesn't seem like mare wants to vote for bear either, i don't think we had enough votes for midway either way to get to 8

[innocentvillager]

all of my change i spent on you

vote count 1.8 !

Sleepless Assassin (6):

northsidegal, Menalque, Andante, Faker, catboi, Mare

flow trap (5):

skitter30, Datisi, Sleepless Assassin, SirCakez, innocentvillager

midwaybear (1):

flow trap

Faker (1):

Something_Smart

not voting (1):

midwaybear

14 are alive, and it takes 8 votes to posthumously nominate someone for the rock and roll hall of fame. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-01-06 14:00:00)

other ideas

• did you know that skitter30 is vla on fridays and saturdays?

Sleepless Assassin (6):

northsidegal, Menalque, Andante, catboi, Faker, midwaybear

midwaybear (5):

flow trap, Datisi, innocentvillager, skitter30, SirCakez

flow trap (2):

Sleepless Assassin, Mare

Faker (1):

Something_Smart

this is the new VC i believe

Sleepless Assassin (7):

northsidegal, Menalque, Andante, catboi, Faker, midwaybear, Mare

flow trap (5):

Sleepless Assassin, skitter30, Datisi, innocentvillager, SirCakez

midwaybear (1):

flow trap

Faker (1):

Something_Smart

[innocentvillager]

SS is functionallity going to vote flow trap so that's 6

then just need two more from sleepless wagon if we're gonna kill flow

[innocentvillager]

yes ik that's why we're unsplitting it

[innocentvillager]

S_S already said he's voting highest wagon that's not sleepless.

[innocentvillager]

skitter i can hammer too
go worry about your meetings

[innocentvillager]

why? ill be around to hammer if needed

[innocentvillager]

what's the insistence on hammering now lol?

[innocentvillager]

yes i am going to hammer very close to deadline if that's what you're worried about

[innocentvillager]

nsg im literally obvtown how are you worried about me being scum

if i don't hammer someone just insta kill me tomorrow

[innocentvillager]

i actually don't rly understand but sure

seems like skitter has opted for meetings

[innocentvillager]

is the difference that big? i mean ur the setup guy so i can't rly argue with u but that feels kind of counterintuitive to me

like all the killing roles for example, are really good scum roles bc they're just extra free kills

so are things like roleblocker

like it's not obvious to me that these benefit town much more than scum

ill give you that ascetic cop/bulletproof is more useful for town than scum

[innocentvillager]

ok his blood is on your hands skitter

hope that's a good thing

[innocentvillager]

this was totally TvT i bet

[innocentvillager]

Just hammer who cares anymore we don't need 12 more hours

u could've done it if you wanted to

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: sleepless just in case my vc is wrong and we don't vote until deadline or something

[innocentvillager]

ya rip sleepless

[innocentvillager]

please take a hard look at midway if i die tomorrow

im not saying just kill him without thinking but he needs to be a serious wagon

[innocentvillager]

gg, followed along very loosely

I’m never going to try to read SS again idk why I thought I could read him.

Not envious of those who had to play through it, seemed like a slog, good thing I was killed D1 I guess. Also would’ve tunneled mwb incorrectly probably

I’m surprised catboi was never a serious wagon with how many people wanted to kill him.

[innocentvillager]

thanks for mod schadd and congrats to scummers