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So basically:
Is she Scum, who is defensive and just trying to avoid being eliminated - but then named a list of names that never saves her?
Or is she town, who is defensive and demotivated - and named a list of names of the people she is actually suspicious of?

If town, engage with the whole player list please

In post 386, TTTT wrote:marci
you haven't said a word about Somnus yet
now would be a good time

oh my bad i thought i already mentioned it but apparently not.. i think their townie.

In post 393, furtiveglance wrote:They have nothing else to say about the game. I would prefer PPP probably but I'm optimistic that Marcistar is mafia

Nah I have more I could say, yall just aint ready for that conversation

In post 394, furtiveglance wrote:The game has gone a bit stale and I want to jumpstart it

In post 397, furtiveglance wrote:What do you notice? To me it was

saying I was mafia

(no) and

two of my townreads are mafia

(I don't think so)

In post 399, Lukewarm wrote:because I wanted to see if she shifted focus to one of the other players given a little bit of time, but thats not a thing that can happen any more.

I was gonna tbhs but, like, yknow? I think at best people are too quick to townread Ailianna.

Ok fair enough Marcistar. I haven't written you off but I'm sure you can understand that I don't like you not giving full reads on the whole player list.

honestly it wouldve been mostly "idk i think they could be either alignment " and giving a readslist for it to mostly be that im not aboutta do

In post 391, furtiveglance wrote:

Intent to hammer Marcistar

not yet
I don't even want a claim from marci yet
UNVOTE:

In post 402, marcistar wrote:

In post 386, TTTT wrote:marci
you haven't said a word about Somnus yet
now would be a good time

oh my bad i thought i already mentioned it but apparently not.. i think their townie.

can you give me some reasons why?

In post 400, Lukewarm wrote:So basically:
Is she Scum, who is defensive and just trying to avoid being eliminated - but then named a list of names that never saves her?
Or is she town, who is defensive and demotivated - and named a list of names of the people she is actually suspicious of?

I really don't like this Luke
we wanted and were promised your read on marci once she got active
but this is looking like you are trying to save her without actually going out on a limb trying to save her
it would be suprememely helpful to have your read on her play so far, based on your experience with her
yes I know I spelled that wrong it was for increased emphaphasis

Luke
to get you jumpstarted here are some questions:
1) as town does marci usually take this long to develop actual reads?
2) as town does marci ignore pressure?
3) as town does marci often have reads outside the mainstream of the other players?

In post 404, marcistar wrote:honestly it wouldve been mostly "idk i think they could be either alignment " and giving a readslist for it to mostly be that im not aboutta do

nah
you said you have three scumreads or at least scumleans...

In post 385, marcistar wrote:

In post 377, furtiveglance wrote:Marci who is the most sus rn?
Feel free to say me

yes you

aliana or mr turtle as well

and you've said Somnus is townie...

In post 402, marcistar wrote:

In post 386, TTTT wrote:marci
you haven't said a word about Somnus yet
now would be a good time

oh my bad i thought i already mentioned it but apparently not.. i think their townie.

BigTerp is townie too apparently...

In post 178, marcistar wrote:

In post 173, BigTerp wrote:

In post 170, marcistar wrote:

In post 168, BigTerp wrote:

In post 161, marcistar wrote:no, r u?

??

what about it

You were directly asked if you were town. Your response was "no, r u?" Please explain.

I think you might be town B)

so you have five reads out of eight players which means your readlist is something like this?

TOWN
Somnus
BigTerp

NULL
Lukewarm
TTTT
PPP

SCUM
Turtle
Alianna
furtive

my problem is that you have said these things when you do have reads

I don't think its useful to make a whole readslist thats just 90% "hehe idk they could be either alignment!!"

In post 404, marcistar wrote:honestly it wouldve been mostly "idk i think they could be either alignment " and giving a readslist for it to mostly be that im not aboutta do

@marci
is 2061 your only Newbie scumgame?

In post 407, TTTT wrote:

In post 400, Lukewarm wrote:So basically:
Is she Scum, who is defensive and just trying to avoid being eliminated - but then named a list of names that never saves her?
Or is she town, who is defensive and demotivated - and named a list of names of the people she is actually suspicious of?

I really don't like this Luke
we wanted and were promised your read on marci once she got active
but this is looking like you are trying to save her without actually going out on a limb trying to save her
it would be suprememely helpful to have your read on her play so far, based on your experience with her
yes I know I spelled that wrong it was for increased emphaphasis

In post 408, TTTT wrote:Luke
to get you jumpstarted here are some questions:
1) as town does marci usually take this long to develop actual reads?
2) as town does marci ignore pressure?
3) as town does marci often have reads outside the mainstream of the other players?

It is hard to come out and case my nullest read in the game. But she is the one sitting at e-1, so here we are. I can see glimmers of town, like I mentioned wrt to her scum list, but it would not blow my mind if she flipped scum.

Yes, I am hedgely, and sorry about that. But I just don't have a strong read on every player in the game. Some people land in null /unsure.

To answer your question

1) Yes. She holds off before she commits to a vote in almost every game I have been in with her, unless something really pinged her early.

2) I am not sure how you are defining "ignoring pressure."

3) Sure?

But, I think the important part of these questions was: yes, I have seen Marci play fairly similar to this as town and get miselimed for it. If she is busy irl, she can get disconnected from games, and if she gets a lot of pressure she can get demotivated.

Best example off the top of my head was SirCakez Divide and Conquer game, where I feel like she got a lot of flack for basically the same reasons she is here.

So, I can see this coming from town Marci - but I don't think it automatically makes her town either.

I am sitting about as on the fence with this read as is physically possible. Which probably is not super helpful. But, I would rather kill Somnus over Marci here. After the last page or so from Furtive, I would actually rather kill Furtive over Marci here as well.

In post 411, TTTT wrote:@marci
is 2061 your only Newbie scumgame?

I played against scum Marci in another newbie game, so I know she has another. I can see if I can find it.

In post 412, Lukewarm wrote:Best example off the top of my head was SirCakez Divide and Conquer game, where I feel like she got a lot of flack for basically the same reasons she is here.

Here are some quotes from town Marci, on Day 3, just before she is miseliminated that game



She is being called out for uncertainty, not committing to reads, ect

And she just goes :shrug: sorry I don't have reads I'm confident in, and then obviously that did not sway the other players, and so she dies.

you two played as a hydra in a game that ended barely a month ago
so that's one reason I don't love the mutual null reads

do you know each other IRL?

Here is the other newbie game

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87122

In post 416, TTTT wrote:do you know each other IRL?

We met on Mafiascum, but we have sense added each other on Discord and talk semi-regularly.

So, I am friends with Marci, but never met irl.

In post 415, TTTT wrote:you two played as a hydra in a game that ended barely a month ago
so that's one reason I don't love the mutual null reads

I have played a lot of games with Marci, and I have a pretty mixed bag on reading her.

--Correct Reads--

Divide and Conquer game I just linked, I was sure she was town and was defending her all the way to the point she got miselimed despite my efforts.

Our Isekai uPick game, I was sure she was scum and pushed her hard even when other people thought she was town.

--Incorrect Reads--

Our Shakespeare uPick game I was banging pots and pans together trying to get her eliminated, but she was town

The newbie game you linked, I defended her all the way up to MeLo - and only won because I finally decided to just sheep the other confirmed town

--No Reads--
The newbie game I mentioned just now, she was in my null reads to slight town leaning with reservations, for basically the whole game

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Sorry if you expected me to have some reliable tell to read her on in games, but I don't. The one exception being her early real time interactions can sometimes be a bit weak when she is scum, but I did not get any of those from her this game to look at, so not helpful

In post 411, TTTT wrote:@marci
is 2061 your only Newbie scumgame?

In post 415, TTTT wrote:you two played as a hydra in a game that ended barely a month ago
so that's one reason I don't love the mutual null reads

I am ready to town lock TTTT all the way to Elo (where obviously he should be reconsidered if he is alive at that point) for this.

I never see this much meta work from Scum unless they are desperate. There is no reason for Scum TTTT to be digging through Marci's past scum games here, or whatever he did to find our hydra game either.

Town: Lukewarm, TTTT.
furtiveglance should replace TTTT's vote on marcistar.

In post 389, Mr Turtle wrote: May I ask, am I the only one who has a hard time understanding PPP's posts? They're worded very confusingly and I don't really know what to make of it.

There's just two that I had a hard time understanding. Pimpest and I had a brief dialogue about 332 but it quickly dissolved (was late at night). I took a look at it later on with a fresh set of eyes and still didn't entirely understand it, but it's kind of whatever. 378 pinged me a lot harder. I'll get to that in a bit.

In post 378, PlmPestPlaY wrote:Waw. It appears to be true, at least for this type of setup. Given what I've learned, I am now a lot less interested in the game for some reason. Sooo eeeh double wappa? VOTE: Somnus

Ok. So there's 2 I didn't understand, but there's a couple other ones that I have questions about. Surely you knew that in mafia, people get voted off, correct? I'm not being sarcastic when I ask that, so please don't take my question as me being snide because I promise you I'm being serious. I've never played on Epic Mafia, but is it so fundamentally different from forum mafia that you didn't know the goal that we're working towards? What changed to make you less interested in the game pertaining to the setup? Help me understand.