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Post Post #4599 (isolation #400) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:16 pm

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I'm pretty sure VP townreads me because he is literally factionally informed I'm town but okay
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Post Post #4602 (isolation #401) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:17 pm

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@Mena by calculated do you mean that I spent time in the night phase digging through your posts and putting my vibe into words? Cause then uh yea it's calculated.
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Post Post #4605 (isolation #402) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:18 pm

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Okay fuck you too
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Post Post #4609 (isolation #403) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:23 pm

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Not getting limmed and not exposing scum as having at least 2 defuses seems like a pretty big win to me?
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Post Post #4611 (isolation #404) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:24 pm

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In post 4606, Menalque wrote:Please refer to
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Post Post #4615 (isolation #405) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:28 pm

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In post 4613, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:tbh I think your read on VP is weirdly strong

I went back to VP's D2 posts and I'm still not sure what there screamed town to you
He can't explain it cause it's fake lol

I have menalque's last day 2 posts linked in my wall you can go just look at how fast he swaps for no reason.
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Post Post #4619 (isolation #406) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:31 pm

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In post 4614, Menalque wrote:
In post 4611, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4606, Menalque wrote:Please refer to
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Amazing that your jumping skills are directly into incorrect reads at the exact moment that's convenient :^)
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Post Post #4633 (isolation #407) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:06 pm

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In post 4625, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4609, Dwlee99 wrote:Not getting limmed and not exposing scum as having at least 2 defuses seems like a pretty big win to me?
I already would have had two defusals before there was a risk, yeah? This makes no sense.
I don't follow what makes no sense about it
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Post Post #4636 (isolation #408) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:34 pm

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In post 4635, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4633, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4625, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4609, Dwlee99 wrote:Not getting limmed and not exposing scum as having at least 2 defuses seems like a pretty big win to me?
I already would have had two defusals before there was a risk, yeah? This makes no sense.
I don't follow what makes no sense about it
Scum start the game with 1 kill.

I defuse N1.
Scum have 2 kills, kill N1.
I defuse N2.
Scum have 2 kills. Kill N2.
Town ZOMG VP IS SCUM! Lim VP.
Scum kill N3, town worried rest of game about defusals, never let defusals happen.

As opposed to what are you proposing? Scum have like 3 NKs or something they are sitting on? For what reason? To keep me alive when I was always going to get limmed at some point for having two defusals?
It's day 5 and you're still alive?
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Post Post #4639 (isolation #409) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:35 pm

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In post 4364, Dwlee99 wrote:HEAL: Bell
HEAL: CSF
HEAL: Andante
This is the composition of experts I'd like tonight
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Post Post #4646 (isolation #410) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:53 pm

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In post 4645, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4636, Dwlee99 wrote:It's day 5 and you're still alive?
You really this dense as town?
You're arguing that my argument doesn't make sense cause you'd get limmed day three but it's day five what am I missing
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Post Post #4649 (isolation #411) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:03 pm

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In post 4644, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 4639, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4364, Dwlee99 wrote:HEAL: Bell
HEAL: CSF
HEAL: Andante
This is the composition of experts I'd like tonight
I still think we should only put 2 TRs in the group and throw a nullread in to be the third

Otherwise on D6, we only have {Dwlee99, Menalque, Misty, GL, Enchant} to pick from, which is just going to be a repeat of D3

Andante should absolutely go in today b/c she's most likely to get killed

Then only one of me/Bell imo
I didn't think about tomorrow. Did you double check with the change that happens about experts at a certain point?
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Post Post #4650 (isolation #412) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:03 pm

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In post 4647, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4646, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4645, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4636, Dwlee99 wrote:It's day 5 and you're still alive?
You really this dense as town?
You're arguing that my argument doesn't make sense cause you'd get limmed day three but it's day five what am I missing
Do you think what I'm saying or what you're saying is the more likely outcome? Which furthers scum win cons more?
In post 4648, VP Baltar wrote:No shit I'm alive. Unless I'm nostradomus, pretty sure that's not relevant to what I'm saying.
I have literally no idea what you're talking about here
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Post Post #4652 (isolation #413) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:08 pm

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You literally proposed a scenario that didn't happen as an explanation for why you wouldn't have defused or something? I don't know how that makes sense at all
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Post Post #4658 (isolation #414) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:08 pm

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In post 4608, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4599, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm pretty sure VP townreads me because he is literally factionally informed I'm town but okay
This is an insane thing to say. If you want me to scum case you, I can read lots of your posts with bad intent.

I'm trying to right this game state and willing to risk my lim to do it because I think if someone doesn't correct course, we are headed to a very bad game state.

You should take a step back and think about what I would actually gain from approaching the game this way as scum (nothing), and then help me lim mistyx.
So you ask what you'd gain as scum from not trying to lim me
In post 4609, Dwlee99 wrote:Not getting limmed and not exposing scum as having at least 2 defuses seems like a pretty big win to me?
I point out if you are successful in evading a 1v1 with me that you don't get limmed and that you don't confirm that scum have 2 defusals towards their 4 defusal win con.
In post 4635, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4633, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4625, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4609, Dwlee99 wrote:Not getting limmed and not exposing scum as having at least 2 defuses seems like a pretty big win to me?
I already would have had two defusals before there was a risk, yeah? This makes no sense.
I don't follow what makes no sense about it
Scum start the game with 1 kill.

I defuse N1.
Scum have 2 kills, kill N1.
I defuse N2.
Scum have 2 kills. Kill N2.
Town ZOMG VP IS SCUM! Lim VP.
Scum kill N3, town worried rest of game about defusals, never let defusals happen.

As opposed to what are you proposing? Scum have like 3 NKs or something they are sitting on? For what reason? To keep me alive when I was always going to get limmed at some point for having two defusals?
And now I have no fucking clue how what you're saying is relevant. What does any of this have to do with you positioning to try to lim mistyx instead of me? Nothing. There's no connection. I have no idea what you're even attempting to say
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Post Post #4659 (isolation #415) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:13 pm

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In post 4653, VP Baltar wrote:I didn't say that was why I wouldn't have defused. I'm saying if I was scum, I would have killed and laughed at actually getting two defusals. What are you even talking about????
To this part I guess... greeting is dead and it's possible bell was protected N2 or Pooky was protected N1. That would leave you with no night kills left so ?
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Post Post #4660 (isolation #416) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:14 pm

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Er there would be one night kill left but you could be saving it and/or you're trying to keep the game in evens.
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Post Post #4661 (isolation #417) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:17 pm

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In post 2731, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.00
  • with
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  • day 3 ends in
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not voting [16]:
PookyTheMagicalBear, Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Dwlee99, Cephrir, Greeting, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, StrangeMatter, Bell


bomb expert nominations:


not nominating [16]:
PookyTheMagicalBear, Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Dwlee99, Cephrir, Greeting, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, StrangeMatter, Bell

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Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir, Bell, Mistyx, GuiltyLion


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  • Menalque v/la weekends.
  • the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.
There's actually not really a reason to NOT save it unless you need to kill a PR. Kills are just EV way more valuable later in the game actually. If you kill sooner that's a townie that can't get mislimmed. If you kill later then you only thin out the pool when it reduces town EV ie gives them one less mislim.
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Post Post #4662 (isolation #418) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:17 pm

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Ignore quote was checking even/odds
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Post Post #4663 (isolation #419) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:19 pm

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9:3

Assume scum have 2 night kills. Then if a bomb explodes and they night kill and we mislim

6:3

3:3

Scum need two mislims, two bombs, and two night kills to win. So why not save it?
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Post Post #4664 (isolation #420) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:21 pm

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If GL is scum then they probably night kill last night cause they know he is living. So GL!town unless we live in andres essentially threw the game world
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Post Post #4665 (isolation #421) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:23 pm

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In post 4657, Bell wrote:*insert Mandatory Pooky paranoia*
Straight up position reversal sucks. And even if I’m wrong and they’d suspected vp all along I still say the same.
I don't think Pooky is scum fwiw but also Pooky paranoia is fine
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Post Post #4666 (isolation #422) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:23 pm

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I do think enchant is scum

Is VP/Enchant/Menalque viable
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Post Post #4668 (isolation #423) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:32 pm

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If you lim mistyx and then me you could

But also, no, it isn't just a number, and you're ignoring how probability of random lims works when you kill sooner vs later
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Post Post #4669 (isolation #424) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:36 pm

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Two kill example in a 8:1 9p cause I don't feel like doing multiple scum odds:

Chance of limming scum each day assuming haven't limmed correctly yet:

(Kill two at start, then none):
1/9, 1/7, 1/5, 1/4, 1/3, scum win

Kill two at end:
1/9, 1/8, 1/7, 1/5, 1/3, scum win

Note the 1/8 chance of limming correctly vs 1/4 (math is more complicated than this but shows they're not equivalent EV)
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Post Post #4672 (isolation #425) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:58 pm

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Those literally just exacerbate that saving kill til the end of being able to maximizes scum EV ignoring power roles
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Post Post #4673 (isolation #426) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:01 pm

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In post 4670, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4668, Dwlee99 wrote:If you lim mistyx and then me you could
In a scum me world, why wouldn't I just lim you first and then try to get mistyx? A bird in hand etc.

The simpler answer is I'm town. Starting to think you're scum with mistyx and and that's why you're so dead set on killing me today. If you were town, you'd have similar worries to me about the game state.
How would you flip me and then not get limmed tomorrow? Are you forgetting we are in a 1v1 right now?

Simpler answer is you're scum because the alternative is that Andres fucked up the description of the bomb cause I've already shown by the rules that there is no way a scum role could cause a bomb to explode
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Post Post #4675 (isolation #427) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:07 pm

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If town blowing up bombs makes the pool smaller what does making kills when it doesn't reduce number of mislims available do?
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Post Post #4677 (isolation #428) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:11 pm

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That would be a mod lie if a scum role can prevent it
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Post Post #4678 (isolation #429) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:12 pm

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There's no "If they give the right answer then the defuser might defuse it" it says "will successfully defuse" and, more importantly, "will survive"
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Post Post #4681 (isolation #430) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:16 pm

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You know tbh the expert swap thing is a mod lie yea
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Post Post #4682 (isolation #431) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:16 pm

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Wording pretty clearly is like yea the night's experts will be the people you selected
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Post Post #4683 (isolation #432) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:18 pm

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Are you gonna respond to or nah
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Post Post #4688 (isolation #433) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:59 pm

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oops
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Post Post #4689 (isolation #434) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:00 pm

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If a number doesn't make sense try flipping two of them I do that sometimes
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Post Post #4692 (isolation #435) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:47 pm

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Yea so lim baltar
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Post Post #4694 (isolation #436) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:54 pm

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Yea think away
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Post Post #4697 (isolation #437) » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:06 pm

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But what about Menalque 180 which is much worse than whatever you're saying pooky did

I do agree vp seemingly being completely unaware of scum EV is ... weird but feels a little forced imo
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Post Post #4709 (isolation #438) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:27 am

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In post 4707, Enchant wrote:
In post 4705, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything
IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?
Okay but just flip scum instead? Also if I flipped scum that actually wouldn't tell you VP's alignment
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Post Post #4710 (isolation #439) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:33 am

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In post 4699, Bell wrote:Can you show me where mena 180’d
I got lost.
In post 4333, Dwlee99 wrote:
Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]
Menalque wrote:Strange > dwlee > baltar

Could be strange and dwlee I guess, but that’s my preference for limming them

CSF, GL, bell, ceph, VPB all town

Pooky, Andy, enchant prob town?

Misty still scum

Titus can be scum, and is likely to be scum if only 1 in strange and dwlee

VOTE: strange
This post combined with what Menalque said here:

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]
Menalque wrote:
In post 2900, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.03
  • with
    16
    votes in play, it takes
    9
    to make a decision.
  • day 3 ends in
    (expired on 2022-04-18 21:00:00)
    .
  • 3
    players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n3.

execution:


Malakittens [6]:
Dwlee99, Cephrir, VP Baltar, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion
VP Baltar [4]:
Enchant, Menalque, Andante, Greeting
Dwlee99 [1]:
StrangeMatter

not voting [5]:
Mistyx, Andresvmb, Titus, Malakittens, Bell


bomb expert nominations:


VP Baltar [4]:
PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Cephrir
Dwlee99 [2]:
GuiltyLion, Enchant
Titus [1]:
Enchant
Malakittens [1]:
Enchant
StrangeMatter [1]:
Enchant

not nominating [12]:
Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, Dwlee99, Greeting, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, StrangeMatter, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:
Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir, Bell, Mistyx, GuiltyLion


mod notes:
  • Menalque v/la weekends.
  • the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.
Was thinking this was weird if my reads are accurate but it could just be that scum weren’t around and figured piling onto the Baltar wagon would look really bad if mala went through anyway/went through today
Are what made me worried. Okay, it wasn't quite what Menalque said here, but rather the vote count he was quoting that showed him voting VPB combined with now thinking that VPB was completely town all of a sudden. He also came into today with this to say:

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]
Menalque wrote:Why were dwlee and strange experted?
Compare that to

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]
Menalque wrote:my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die
Look through Menalque's ISO from this "baltar needs to die" to complaining about me and strange being experted, but not baltar, there is no progression in between there. Which is why I immediately unvoted and:

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]
Dwlee99 wrote:UNVOTE:
Don't want day to end

Does anyone think it'd be weird for strange to choose to blow up the bomb when she knows she is extremely likely to be the one accused for and limmed for it?
Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]
Dwlee99 wrote:Menalque: why were you voting VPB yesterday? Why are you townreading him now? Why do you scumread me and strange more than him?
Eventually got Menalque to say this:

Subject: KTaNE [twilight four]
Menalque wrote:
In post 4065, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4063, Menalque wrote:Yeah, I saw dwlee, I just don’t really feel like engaging on it atm
It would be helpful for me if you answered that
In the barest of bones— it was less related to finding VPB actively scummy and more to do with paranoia around him being defuser twice

But I just think he reads as town, and that goes with how I felt about him in the PT, and I realised it was at least partly ego — I didn’t want to be the one who called VPB town only for him to single handedly win for scum by defusing 4 times

But fuck it, if he’s scum, he’s played really well and he’s fooled me
[...]

3.) Menalque's progression on VP reeks of scum angling to get us (Strange/me) mislimmed. I mean, he literally came into the day complaining that we were made experts after the bomb had exploded, when really if town he should be considering VP the most suspicious given his previous thoughts that Baltar needs to die. It seems to me like he pushed Baltar for the bus cred on Day 3, but on Day 4 he now had to follow the new plan of getting as many townies killed before Baltar's flip.
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Post Post #4711 (isolation #440) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:34 am

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In post 4698, Bell wrote:Pooky said the scum team was trying to kill VP Baltar by adding him to the defusals repeatedly.
Now he’s just speaking the scum party line that he argued first.
This does give me paranoia that pooky is bussing a little bit but I have to read his ISO to review if he has reasons he townreads me now/scumreads VPB
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Post Post #4712 (isolation #441) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:41 am

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Btw Datisi said it could be possible that there is a scum role that can blow up a bomb without being in the expert pt

I do not want to believe this because that would be fucking stupid
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Post Post #4715 (isolation #442) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:02 am

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VP flipped his read on me because I didn't understand how the words he saying made any sense in response to what I was saying. I've since gone through and shown how what he was saying wasn't even relevant to what I said in , but then he just skipped that post and continued calling me scum
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Post Post #4716 (isolation #443) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:07 am

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@Bell, here are some direct quotes from Mena that display what I'm talking about. These are linked in my wall but I think only the second one is quoted in full
In post 2582, Menalque wrote:My current reads (update):

town: Andante, Greeting, Andres, GL, Bell, CSF, Ceph, VP Baltar, enchant

null town: pooky
null for lack of engagement with them: Strange, mala, dwlee

good odds of scum: Titus

scum: misty, frog

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pedit: appreciate the thought, Andres, but I was an expert last night and am therefore ineligible
In post 3465, Menalque wrote:Why were dwlee and strange experted?
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Post Post #4718 (isolation #444) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:09 am

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In post 2854, Menalque wrote:my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die
In post 2855, Menalque wrote:VOTE: baltar
In post 3465, Menalque wrote:Why were dwlee and strange experted?
Pretend second two were linked last post
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Post Post #4719 (isolation #445) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:10 am

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In post 4717, Enchant wrote:
In post 4709, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4707, Enchant wrote:
In post 4705, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I tend to play for worst case scenario

if VPB is town, we can defuse 2 more times safely so we can block the mafia bomb kill twice.

if VPB is scum, we kinda can't afford to defuse anything
IF DWLEE DIE WE STILL DISCOVER VP ALIGNMENT?
Okay but just flip scum instead? Also if I flipped scum that actually wouldn't tell you VP's alignment
You maybe win against VP (and most likely will), but on next day you are toast.
I'm more likely to draw a night kill or a bomb on me than to be limmed
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Post Post #4731 (isolation #446) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:24 am

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In post 4725, VP Baltar wrote:Therefore, if I was scum, I'd just want to get people dead rather than limp along and not be doing anything useful for scum for several days. If I'm scum, I have already achieved above average toward the wincon, very little to gain by hiding kills etc. I don't see how this is actually confusing for you. You're being intentionally obtuse because you want to get me pissed off and having stupid arguments in thread over semantics like this.
It's literally -EV for scum to use kills early and also would get you limmed easier. Why would I believe you would do something obviously umoptimal as scum? Do the math yourself and see that saving kills for later days increases scum win odds
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Post Post #4732 (isolation #447) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:24 am

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Honestly baltar if you're town then Datisi is hard trolling us and I want out
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Post Post #4733 (isolation #448) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:25 am

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Like a role that if town experts 3 town then scum can basically guarantee 3 mislims. Do you think that is balanced? No. That's fucking dumb and Datisi likes to get around setup spec but that's way too much
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Post Post #4734 (isolation #449) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:26 am

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In post 4731, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4725, VP Baltar wrote:Therefore, if I was scum, I'd just want to get people dead rather than limp along and not be doing anything useful for scum for several days. If I'm scum, I have already achieved above average toward the wincon, very little to gain by hiding kills etc. I don't see how this is actually confusing for you. You're being intentionally obtuse because you want to get me pissed off and having stupid arguments in thread over semantics like this.
It's literally -EV for scum to use kills early and also would get you limmed easier. Why would I believe you would do something obviously umoptimal as scum? Do the math yourself and see that saving kills for later days increases scum win odds
And you're still ignoring where I literally go through and show how what you're saying in response to me doesn't make sense cause it's completely irrelevant to what I said but you wanna call me obtuse
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Post Post #4736 (isolation #450) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:28 am

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In post 0, Datisi wrote:


Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes

modded by Datisi | backup-modded by GeorgeBailey | reviewed by Not Known 15 and Gypyx


player list:
  1. catboi

  2. PookyTheMagicalBear

  3. Frogsterking

  4. fireisredsir
    Lukewarm

  5. Andante

  6. Mistyx
    Morning Tweet

  7. VP Baltar

  8. GuiltyLion

  9. Enchant
    The Bulge

  10. Dwlee99

  11. Cephrir

  12. Greeting

  13. Andresvmb
    *
  14. Cat Scratch Fever

  15. Menalque
    *
  16. Titus
    *
  17. Malakittens
    The Praetorian

  18. StrangeMatter

  19. Bell
bold = confirmed, asterisk = prod, strike = replaced


still talking:

Spoiler:
  1. PookyTheMagicalBear
  2. Andante
  3. Mistyx
  4. VP Baltar
  5. GuiltyLion
  6. Enchant
  7. Dwlee99
  8. Cephrir
  9. Cat Scratch Fever
  10. Menalque
  11. Titus
  12. Bell


explo-dead:

Spoiler:
  1. fireisredsir,
    DATS Inc. 1-shot bulletproof bodyguard
    ,
  2. catboi,
    DATS Inc. macho 1-shot daredevil innocent child
    ,
  3. Frogsterking,
    DATS Inc. intel master
    ,
  4. Malakittens,
    GB Inc. informed infiltrator
    ,
  5. Andresvmb,
    DATS Inc. simple doctor
    ,
  6. Greeting,
    DATS Inc. trainee
    ,
  7. StrangeMatter,
    DATS Inc. vanilla employee
    ,


events & votecounts:

Spoiler:
Math isn't semantics though
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Post Post #4738 (isolation #451) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:30 am

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1.) The doc didn't need to be killed if scum weren't going to kill anyway, and also could be blown up (happened)
2.) The one kill that did go through was on someone who scumread you, exactly what you mean by "shaping gamestate"
3.) We don't know what scum informed knowledge is, but scum could know what PRs to be afraid of etc.
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Post Post #4740 (isolation #452) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:31 am

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Yea but that is fucking troll idc if he is now telling me it's possible when I ask him if he did that it's literally evil and unbalanced as fuck
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Post Post #4742 (isolation #453) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:32 am

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It's essentially 3 guaranteed scum mislims that's why
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Post Post #4743 (isolation #454) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:33 am

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In review surely someone would have said "hey this role that can just blow someone up goes against scum having limited night kills and will surely lead to an all-town hood being chain mislimmed right?"
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Post Post #4746 (isolation #455) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:37 am

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In post 4745, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4742, Dwlee99 wrote:It's essentially 3 guaranteed scum mislims that's why
Not if someone looks at the switches and actually thinks about it for 5 seconds. This is what I mean by being intentionally obtuse
But then everyone goes "no way someone is scum in the group kill kill kill"
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Post Post #4747 (isolation #456) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:37 am

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There should be a comma but I'm sure you understand what I mean
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Post Post #4751 (isolation #457) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:42 am

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In post 4748, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4738, Dwlee99 wrote:1.) The doc didn't need to be killed if scum weren't going to kill anyway, and also could be blown up (happened)
2.) The one kill that did go through was on someone who scumread you, exactly what you mean by "shaping gamestate"
3.) We don't know what scum informed knowledge is, but scum could know what PRs to be afraid of etc.
1) if you're scum who want to kill ever, you need to kill the doc. Why would I as scum put a doc as a defuser to draw suspicion on myself rather than just kill them????
2) who hasn't scum read me, but yeah pretty fucking convenient that happens the night I'm about to get sussed hard.
3) how would scum know what PRs andante and greeting are?
1.) The doc was a simple doc so no, because they have PRs to kill as well
2.) There have been people that didn't scumread you, and EoD3 you were actually townread cause you literally got experted.
3.) Role cop? But that's not really what I'm saying. I'm saying scum could have info that informs them how they want to save their night kills.
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Post Post #4754 (isolation #458) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:57 am

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But there was scum in that hood

Hoods are much more WIFOM though than something like this imo
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Post Post #4756 (isolation #459) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:02 am

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I didn't think about scum being allowed to remotely detonate a bomb because I just doesn't make sense. I mean flavor-wise what's the explanation for that? That the info we got sent by the mod was wrong? GeorgeBailey swapped out the bomb manuals?
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Post Post #4759 (isolation #460) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:04 am

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In post 2727, Datisi wrote:
Frogsterking has been executed day 2. he was a
DATS Inc. intel master
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Spoiler:
welcome,
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role abilities:

~ if you are acting as a bomb expert, only your info needs to be correct in order to disarm the bomb.
~ if you are acting as a bomb defuser, your bomb will explode only if two or more modules are solved incorrectly, rather than only one.

win conditions:

~ you win when all GB Inc. infiltrators are dead and at least one DATS Inc. employee is alive.
~ alternatively, you win when DATS Inc. employees act as successful bomb defusers 8 times.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

bomb experts are:
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Frogster's role also required him to be in the PT, which you're suggesting scum can blow it up without being there
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Post Post #4760 (isolation #461) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:05 am

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Funniest world is that there is a scum role that can do what VP is describing but they used it N1 on catboi and VP is still scum here
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Post Post #4761 (isolation #462) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:06 am

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Omg and even funnier world would be Mistyx is the scum with the role that can do that and VP is trying to bus her to then save himself
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Post Post #4766 (isolation #463) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:26 am

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Nah I'm a completely normal person not weird in any way
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Post Post #4767 (isolation #464) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:27 am

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In post 4763, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4760, Dwlee99 wrote:Funniest world is that there is a scum role that can do what VP is describing but they used it N1 on catboi and VP is still scum here
Uh....is dwlee TMIing scum here?

How do you go from "that's too broken to exist" to "here is an even more tinfoil theory so I can still call VP scum!"
My brain likes to find the most funny situation. That w/ the Mistyx one is funny
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Post Post #4769 (isolation #465) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:31 am

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No I actually kinda think Mistyx is town especially since you're scum
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Post Post #4770 (isolation #466) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:31 am

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Mistyx is doing absolutely fuck-all though so meh maybe she is scum
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Post Post #4773 (isolation #467) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:30 am

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Oh yea it was Easter, forgot about that
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Post Post #4775 (isolation #468) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:36 am

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Well yea
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Post Post #4777 (isolation #469) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:53 am

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What do you think of Menalque
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Post Post #4784 (isolation #470) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:59 am

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My writing has been described as "erudite but casual"
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Post Post #4785 (isolation #471) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:59 am

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^ that's to
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Post Post #4787 (isolation #472) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:00 am

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I believe andante
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Post Post #4788 (isolation #473) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:01 am

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In post 4786, Bell wrote:
In post 4784, Dwlee99 wrote:My writing has been described as "erudite but casual"
I’m flabbergasted anybody thinks that.
It's a real quote believe it or not. Not about mafia though and I don't really agree
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Post Post #4792 (isolation #474) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:03 am

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Homie just replace the word vote with heal :sob:
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Post Post #4799 (isolation #475) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:08 am

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Andante has never been wrong about mechs
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Post Post #4805 (isolation #476) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:10 am

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Omg my first Andante experience. Beautiful. Every dog hopped on the dog cop checked dog Miller and limmed that so fast

The game that reignited my mafia addiction
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Post Post #4807 (isolation #477) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:11 am

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I'm town you booger
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Post Post #4822 (isolation #478) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:19 am

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In post 4815, Andante wrote:I speak truth and only truth. Dwlee is town.
Menalque still trying to mislim me funny
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Post Post #4823 (isolation #479) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:20 am

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Tbh if you had this much certainty with strange you shouldn't have let us lim her but oh well I guess
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Post Post #4828 (isolation #480) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:23 am

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In post 4826, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:does Andy!scum fake a mech clear on her scum partner Dwlee when Dwlee is already winning the 1v1

I mean you can't really think this
Exactly Menalque is scumz
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Post Post #4833 (isolation #481) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:24 am

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In post 4829, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4826, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:does Andy!scum fake a mech clear on her scum partner Dwlee when Dwlee is already winning the 1v1

I mean you can't really think this
Sure why not? Tomorrow when I flip green, she just says LOL WELL I THOUGHT I WAS RIGHT

And everyone says "Oh Andy!"

And then the theme song to Family Matters starts playing in the background.
LOL
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Post Post #4844 (isolation #482) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:29 am

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VP still voting me weird champ
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Post Post #4853 (isolation #483) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:32 am

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I say we kill Enchant just to say we did
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Post Post #4860 (isolation #484) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:35 am

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In post 4854, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4844, Dwlee99 wrote:VP still voting me weird champ
Why? You're being intentionally obtuse. Clearly my good faith read was misplaced. You need to die. Bad move on your part to save your buddy mistyx.
Homie are you for real right now
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Post Post #4862 (isolation #485) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:35 am

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God, Andante never change
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Post Post #4868 (isolation #486) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:36 am

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I explained like twenty billion times how you're speaking past my point and you just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist to say I'm obtuse or some shit. Same shit Menalque is doing
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Post Post #4873 (isolation #487) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:39 am

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In post 4866, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Anyone else getting cold feet?
Totally reasonable town mindset from VPB rn to say I'm scum cause I don't buy into the "Datisi is a total fucking troll and decided to make this game of the suffering of 3 unfortunate townies and the person that should not have been exploded" world theory
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Post Post #4875 (isolation #488) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:39 am

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In post 4871, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4862, Dwlee99 wrote:God, Andante never change
Remember when you said you believed her. Good times.
I was optimistic LOL
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Post Post #4877 (isolation #489) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:40 am

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In post 4874, VP Baltar wrote:I got work to do. I'll be back for some more dwlee-andante-mystix gaslight hour later
This is scum claim right like come on how is this a reasonable world in your opinion
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Post Post #4880 (isolation #490) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:41 am

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Yea I told Andante in the scum Pm "claim you have an inno on me, then be like 'oh it's actually just a role cop result' and while doing it don't even E-1 VP for someone to hammer"
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Post Post #4882 (isolation #491) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:41 am

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In post 4878, Andante wrote:
In post 4875, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4871, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4862, Dwlee99 wrote:God, Andante never change
Remember when you said you believed her. Good times.
I was optimistic LOL
I mean, you saying I'm wrong and maf has goons? you wanna go before VP?
nope, Andante never wrong on mechs
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Post Post #4883 (isolation #492) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:42 am

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In post 4881, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4873, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 4866, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Anyone else getting cold feet?
Totally reasonable town mindset from VPB rn to say I'm scum cause I don't buy into the "Datisi is a total fucking troll and decided to make this game of the suffering of 3 unfortunate townies and the person that should not have been exploded" world theory
A point you allegedly confirmed with the mod. Keep calling me the crazy one.

Fact: scum can mess with defusers

Fact: fogster had a role that can affect bomb outcomes for town

Fact: mod says scum could affect bomb outcomes

Dwlee: VP is crazy, that would never be possible. Also what if scum used that ability on catboi (WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUGGGGGGGGGG)
But from outside the PT that is absolute madness and yes Datisi confirmed it COULD exist but that doesn't mean it does
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Post Post #4885 (isolation #493) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:43 am

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And no I don't actually think it exists except used on catboi and Mistyx has the role BUT it'd be funny if that did happen
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Post Post #4887 (isolation #494) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:44 am

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But my brain said it doesn't exist
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Post Post #4888 (isolation #495) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:45 am

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Oh and if Andres fucked up the bomb kodak moment
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Post Post #4894 (isolation #496) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:46 am

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Ooh ooh another funny scenario: VP is scum and thought he was defusing the bomb for Andres, but then Andres described the bomb wrong and so it blew up, and now he gets limmed when he actually tried to defuse it
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Post Post #4928 (isolation #497) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:02 am

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VP why haven't you claimed
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Post Post #4933 (isolation #498) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:35 am

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In post 4930, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4928, Dwlee99 wrote:VP why haven't you claimed
Am I at E-1?
You probably will be like CSF said and I'm claimed cause of Andante so
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Post Post #4935 (isolation #499) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:47 am

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Okay homie
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Post Post #4938 (isolation #500) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:54 am

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VPB I don't get why your reason for thinking I'm scum is still that you think I'm being "obtuse" and not cause Andres is fucking dead
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Post Post #4940 (isolation #501) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:02 am

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In post 4939, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4938, Dwlee99 wrote:VPB I don't get why your reason for thinking I'm scum is still that you think I'm being "obtuse" and not cause Andres is fucking dead
Obviously you killed andres. I initially thought, 'well I don't see a lot scummy in dwlee's day play, could something else be happening here?' Then I express this thought today, and you proceed to exploit that to piledrive me by ignoring all the evidence to the contrary of me possibly being scum. And then when I explain that evidence, you act like your brains are made of concrete when we all know they are not.

So yeah, you killed andres and I never said that's not the case if you're scum. Example No. 500 of you acting like you can't understand basic conversation.
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Post Post #4941 (isolation #502) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:03 am

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But you were the one that completely misunderstood conversation and are still ignoring the post where I went over that despite me linking it two or three times
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Post Post #4945 (isolation #503) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:07 am

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VP that post has no relevance at all to you not trying to lim me at the start of the day...
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Post Post #4950 (isolation #504) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:44 am

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In post 4947, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4945, Dwlee99 wrote:VP that post has no relevance at all to you not trying to lim me at the start of the day...
Why do you keep talking in circles? You said I didn't reply to you asking questions, I post that I actually did, then you say that's not relevant to this other thing you didn't say!

I'm not going to keep doing this because you're just openwolfing me and it is starting to piss me off.
Bruh you literally are saying I'm being obstinate not understanding what you're trying to say when the thing you were saying wasn't ever relevant to the start of the conversation!
In post 4948, VP Baltar wrote:Like, are you just trying to get me titled? You've already duped enough town to possibly lim me today, is that necessary?

What do you think about andante and Titus both faking information on me today and then claiming the fake info is definitely reason to kill me. Makes complete sense and always happens to scum, I'm sure.
No, I'm trying to understand why you just never respond to what I'm talking about when you keep calling me obstinate for you just talking past me

I think Andante is town. Titus is prob town, so yea idk
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Post Post #4956 (isolation #505) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:05 am

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In post 4955, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Ummm ok

So last night's hood being all town predicates on Titus town, right?
Well yea
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Post Post #4958 (isolation #506) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:14 am

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VP, the start of our conversation was you asking why you'd angle to lim outside of the 1v1 if you're scum, right? And I said that you would avoid being limmed and also that you wouldn't confirm that scum have 2 defusals out of the four to win, thus possibly allowing scum to get another defusal.

But then you said some shit about having defusals and just using the kills instead of holding onto them.

Please explain to me how this actually counters my point because you keep just calling me obstinate for saying this isn't a response.
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Post Post #4962 (isolation #507) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:24 am

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In post 4961, Menalque wrote:Titus likes a big brain play as scum

I remember when she was on (and maybe the driving force behind?) a scumteam in nomination mafia that made the first set of nominees the entire scumteam
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=80998
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Post Post #4963 (isolation #508) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:28 am

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Subject: Open 767: Mafia PT
Titus wrote:Let's go for the triple scum plan.

Really confuse them.

It might bite us in the ass but oh well. I'm in for fun.
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Post Post #4965 (isolation #509) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:33 am

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Homie if you're thinking I'm trolling you idk what to tell you. If you want me to troll you I can though
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Post Post #4967 (isolation #510) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:41 am

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You read that one though
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Post Post #4968 (isolation #511) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:43 am

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In post 4964, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4953, Cephrir wrote:i don't think that makes you scum
I hope you understand how infuriating this game is from town!VP perspective when like four players are just actively trolling me.
I will say if you're town then I will probably be feeling the same level of frustration as you on day six or actually just night 5
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Post Post #4971 (isolation #512) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:09 pm

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How do you know they're town 0_0
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Post Post #4974 (isolation #513) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:27 pm

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I leaned into it for that post
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Post Post #5002 (isolation #514) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:09 pm

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Did you seriously fucking hint what your role was to someone you thought was scum when you could have let them try to blow you up instead or something

Like bro if you're town why would you not just trade for scum there ahhhh
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Post Post #5003 (isolation #515) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:09 pm

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Please just be scum
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Post Post #5008 (isolation #516) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:27 pm

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In post 5004, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if VPB flips town its going to be really funny tomm
Stop
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Post Post #5012 (isolation #517) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:38 pm

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Epic ty I appreciate it
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Post Post #5013 (isolation #518) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:38 pm

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Consider me asleep in a comfy cave, away from the cold of winter
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Post Post #5017 (isolation #519) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:57 pm

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In post 5014, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:[begin encryption protocol delta niner echo tango]
[we jump codename[froggy] when they're asleep]
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This is why it's so hard to lim you, you're funny
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Post Post #5065 (isolation #520) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:21 am

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In post 5060, Bell wrote:I think this is because you either prepared your fake claim way in advance or you’re just what you say you are.
I just don’t know what to say baltar, your reasoning and justifications are difficult to swallow. But i still want to vote dwlee. Just based off of emotions.
Does this mean my wall was logical
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Post Post #5082 (isolation #521) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:39 am

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I think Mistyx isn't playing agenda'd and has been pushing not me which is epic
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Post Post #5087 (isolation #522) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:40 am

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Baltar's case on me is still awful
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Post Post #5088 (isolation #523) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:41 am

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In post 5085, Andante wrote:
In post 5082, Dwlee99 wrote:I think Mistyx isn't playing agenda'd and has been pushing not me which is epic
what has mistyx done?
Not much that's the scummy part
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Post Post #5091 (isolation #524) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:41 am

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And then she was here and was like oh I was busy cause Easter but then she was gone again without really giving much
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Post Post #5093 (isolation #525) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:43 am

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In post 5089, Andante wrote:
In post 5082, Dwlee99 wrote:I think Mistyx isn't playing agenda'd and has been pushing not me which is epic
Like, I think this post is so bad.. like Dwlee... hello?? there's 3 maf left, and you wanna be all "MIST IS TOWN" just cause VP wants mist? or is this TMI that you know mist really is town
VP and Menalque want Mistyx and she was pushing Baltar. Could be bus and we'll probably flip her at some point but I'm not willing to go there over Baltar who I know is scum like what is this argument
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Post Post #5095 (isolation #526) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:43 am

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Yea show me where I said she is town
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Post Post #5097 (isolation #527) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:44 am

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In post 5094, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Mala arguably didn't push any agenda at all either
Well yea but Mistyx is doing*slightly* more than Mala. Whatever we can flip her eventually idc just not today
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Post Post #5098 (isolation #528) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:45 am

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Andante's really gonna come out and say I'm 99% town only to vote me and scream for my head the rest of the day and wonder what went wrong isn't she
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Post Post #5099 (isolation #529) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:45 am

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Also after calling me an easy read
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Post Post #5104 (isolation #530) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:46 am

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In post 5093, Dwlee99 wrote:Could be bus
Andante read these words PLEASE
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Post Post #5105 (isolation #531) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:47 am

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"oh you don't think it can be a bus???" I JUST SAID IT COULD BE
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Post Post #5106 (isolation #532) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:47 am

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You quoted me saying it !!
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Post Post #5111 (isolation #533) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:50 am

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In post 5110, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5087, Dwlee99 wrote:Baltar's case on me is still awful
I haven't even tried to actually case you. Just pointed out your opportunism and feigned ignorance today to get me dead. There are parts of your iso that are not good, but I gave them charitable assessments overnight. I can certainly be less charitable.
And I've shown how there is no feigned ignorance you're just talking past me
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Post Post #5114 (isolation #534) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:51 am

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And if you mean refusing to accept scum have a blow up button then mb if you're right on that but chance is sub 10% imo
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Post Post #5116 (isolation #535) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:52 am

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In post 5112, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5098, Dwlee99 wrote:Andante's really gonna come out and say I'm 99% town only to vote me and scream for my head the rest of the day and wonder what went wrong isn't she
This never happened. See what I mean by willful misrep
It's called prediction
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Post Post #5118 (isolation #536) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:53 am

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He has been sitting at E-2 for forever
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Post Post #5124 (isolation #537) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:55 am

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In post 4760, Dwlee99 wrote:Funniest world is that there is a scum role that can do what VP is describing but they used it N1 on catboi and VP is still scum here
In post 4761, Dwlee99 wrote:Omg and even funnier world would be Mistyx is the scum with the role that can do that and VP is trying to bus her to then save himself
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Post Post #5129 (isolation #538) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:56 am

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In post 5053, Datisi wrote:
vote count 5.06
  • with
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    7
    to make a decision.
  • day 5 ends in
    (expired on 2022-04-27 00:30:00)
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execution:


VP Baltar [5]:
Dwlee99, Andante, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear
Dwlee99 [3]:
Menalque, VP Baltar, Enchant

not voting [4]:
Mistyx, GuiltyLion, Titus, Bell


bomb expert nominations:


Bell [5]:
Dwlee99, Cephrir, Andante, Cat Scratch Fever, GuiltyLion
Andante [4]:
Dwlee99, Cat Scratch Fever, Bell, GuiltyLion
Cat Scratch Fever [3]:
Menalque, Dwlee99, Cephrir
Menalque [2]:
Enchant, VP Baltar
Enchant [2]:
Cat Scratch Fever, GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion [1]:
Menalque

not nominating [3]:
PookyTheMagicalBear, Mistyx, Titus

ineligible to be nominated:
VP Baltar, Dwlee99, Cephrir, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear


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  • Menalque v/la weekends.
  • the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.
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Post Post #5130 (isolation #539) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:57 am

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Oops size didn't work: Mistyx, GL, Titus
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Post Post #5134 (isolation #540) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:59 am

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HURT: CSF
HEAL: Enchant
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Post Post #5136 (isolation #541) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:59 am

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Oh Titus is scum now but Mistyx is still uncolored
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Post Post #5141 (isolation #542) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:01 am

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Ty I came up with it myself
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Post Post #5149 (isolation #543) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:04 am

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In post 5143, Andante wrote:VOTE: Dwlee

if we won't vote VP, will we vote Dwlee?
Bruh
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Post Post #5152 (isolation #544) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:04 am

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I thought my prediction was wrong but it was right and I can't tell if I'm happy it's right cause it's right or sad it's right cause wtf
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Post Post #5156 (isolation #545) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:06 am

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Could be a real scum role
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Post Post #5167 (isolation #546) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:09 am

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Andante I literally did so much you just skipped over and ignored cause you've literally repeated points I'VE MADE ALREADY
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Post Post #5179 (isolation #547) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:16 am

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Informed how? By pushing frogster all of day one with deep wolf theory? Or do you just mean nailing a scum on day 3 that was obvious af
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Post Post #5180 (isolation #548) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:17 am

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And why would I bus just to put myself in a forced scum group of 3
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Post Post #5181 (isolation #549) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:17 am

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Like my partners are Titus and Mistyx and so I'm planning to leave them to end game? That's what makes sense to you?
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Post Post #5184 (isolation #550) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:21 am

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Where am I throwing shade except for pointing out you hop around like a kangaroo from conclusion to conclusion. I've been pretty clear you're town
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Post Post #5185 (isolation #551) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:22 am

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In post 5182, Andante wrote:
In post 5180, Dwlee99 wrote:And why would I bus
why does anyone bus?
for towncred lol
There's a second part to this sentence please read whole posts I am begging you
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Post Post #5189 (isolation #552) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:24 am

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Titus is smart and capable but this game I've built up a lot more towncred than she has. Doesn't make sense to have me bus then suicide when I'd be the one capable of endgaming
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Post Post #5221 (isolation #553) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:51 am

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I'd like to vote in Mistyx/Menalque/Guiltylion today
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Post Post #5232 (isolation #554) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:11 am

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I still think Andante is town
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Post Post #5233 (isolation #555) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:11 am

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In post 5230, Bell wrote:Anyone else have Baltar associative insights?
Menalque
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Post Post #5239 (isolation #556) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:18 am

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Yea if we lim scum we can let a person diffuse a bomb once without risk
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Post Post #5243 (isolation #557) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:24 am

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In post 5241, Mistyx wrote:killing titus was correct there

0-2 in [GL/Pooky/Ceph]

which leaves bell dwlee andante enchant csf mena

VOTE: GuiltyLion

if we flip this then pooky/ceph are town and we sort in the rest

i'd rank dwlee > bell > enchant/andante > csf > mena in that group probably
Why GL/Pooky/Ceph over Menalque
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Post Post #5246 (isolation #558) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:35 am

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Why are Ceph and or Pooky only scum with GL?
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Post Post #5249 (isolation #559) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:42 am

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In post 5247, Mistyx wrote:
In post 5246, Dwlee99 wrote:Why are Ceph and or Pooky only scum with GL?
scum wouldn't send scum!gl to a group of three town bombers

and scum!pooky/ceph would take the chance to justify an explosion on town!gl
What makes you so confident that pooky/ceph would explode gl if given the chance? Especially because they could set him up to be mislimmed later with this line of thought.
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Post Post #5268 (isolation #560) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:10 pm

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In post 2728, Datisi wrote:
final bomb squad is:

experts:
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defuser:
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the information for the defuser and experts will be going out shortly. night 2 starts now and ends in
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Can the expert PT from this night be summarized?
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Post Post #5270 (isolation #561) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:12 pm

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In post 2187, Datisi wrote:
final bomb squads:

Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Frogsterking - group 1 bomb experts
catboi - group 1 bomb defuser

Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir - group 2 bomb experts
VP Baltar - group 2 bomb defuser

the information for the defusers and experts will be going out shortly. night 1 starts now, and ends in
(expired on 2022-03-31 21:15:00)
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Group 2 would also be useful to have summarized
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Post Post #5271 (isolation #562) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:12 pm

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In post 5269, Enchant wrote:
In post 5268, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2728, Datisi wrote:
final bomb squad is:

experts:
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  • Mistyx
  • GuiltyLion
defuser:
  • VP Baltar
the information for the defuser and experts will be going out shortly. night 2 starts now and ends in
(expired on 2022-04-04 20:35:00)
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Can the expert PT from this night be summarized?
It sucks
You weren't in it
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Post Post #5383 (isolation #563) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:21 pm

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THIS IS GENIUS

Everyone read this WHOLE post please. It fits exactly with what has already been pointed out about Menalque/Mistyx 1.) Just seeming like scum and 2.) Having terrible associatives with the flipped scum.
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Post Post #5435 (isolation #564) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:47 pm

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You faked a VT check on me? Wtf
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Post Post #5458 (isolation #565) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:08 am

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My concern about Andante right now is she clearly claimed a power role to the night 1 expert group. What was your claim there?
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Post Post #5459 (isolation #566) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:12 am

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HEAL: GL
HEAL: CSF
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Post Post #5466 (isolation #567) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:01 am

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If anyone has excessive free time I'd think it be interesting to look at every alive player's posts wrt the defuser confusion.
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Post Post #5469 (isolation #568) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:04 am

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Menalque's Enchant read also doesn't compute for me
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Post Post #5476 (isolation #569) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:13 am

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In post 2187, Datisi wrote:Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir - group 2 bomb experts
In post 2728, Datisi wrote:final bomb squad is:

experts:
Bell
Mistyx
GuiltyLion
I feel decent about one scum in each of these groups
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Post Post #5477 (isolation #570) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:15 am

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The bit about not knowing the alternate scum win con is weird to me
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Post Post #5479 (isolation #571) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:16 am

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In post 164, Menalque wrote:
In post 158, Morning Tweet wrote:u weren't annoying Mena i just meant I'm on extra guard it feels like. Ur good
Okay, that’s good to hear!

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Also as a general FYI I won’t be paying any attention to mechanics for the first couple of days so imma just roll with the majority on that

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feel like I’m going to be able to read catboi this game

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very neutral on morning
kinda town leaning titus
kinda town on andante
Won't be paying attention to mechs but started wanting to be defuser
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Post Post #5480 (isolation #572) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:16 am

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In post 5478, Bell wrote:
In post 5476, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2187, Datisi wrote:Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir
- group 2 bomb experts
In post 2728, Datisi wrote:final bomb squad is:

experts:
Bell

Mistyx
GuiltyLion
I feel decent about one scum in each of these groups
You're welcome.
Agree
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Post Post #5481 (isolation #573) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:18 am

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In post 115, Menalque wrote:Hey tweet, u town?
In post 118, Menalque wrote:Hey titus, how you been?
Tweet is Mistyx. Shortly followed up by doing a similar thing to Titus. Possible self-consciousness that he just had a weird interaction with a partner and should do the same to a townie?
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Post Post #5482 (isolation #574) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:23 am

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Also feel free to reread with the knowledge VP is scum
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Post Post #5483 (isolation #575) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:25 am

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I'll go Mistyx or Menalque. I certainly wouldn't be okay with either endgaming. Can lim Mistyx first just because of the mena claim but mena is probably scum so it doesn't quite matter
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Post Post #5513 (isolation #576) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:46 am

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HEAL: Bell
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Andante

VOTE: Menalque

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Post Post #5515 (isolation #577) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:47 am

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CSF claimed lazy, she can't act anymore
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Post Post #5517 (isolation #578) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:52 am

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To summarize hood cause useful: we all agreed Andante was mildly townie and defused without much issue.
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Post Post #5519 (isolation #579) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:03 am

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If I scumread the defuser choice I'd treat it like a vig personally but
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Post Post #5525 (isolation #580) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:14 am

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That kill points more towards you than away from you imo
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Post Post #5538 (isolation #581) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:30 am

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In post 4760, Dwlee99 wrote:Funniest world is that there is a scum role that can do what VP is describing but they used it N1 on catboi and VP is still scum here
In post 4761, Dwlee99 wrote:Omg and even funnier world would be Mistyx is the scum with the role that can do that and VP is trying to bus her to then save himself
With this actually confirmed, the timing of Menalque's Mistyx push while VP was alive to pushing pooky the next day looks even worse
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Post Post #5541 (isolation #582) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:31 am

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In post 5527, Menalque wrote:Pooky -> GL -> Bell -> Enchant -> CSF -> Dwlee99 -> Andante
This list is decent. I hope you understand why you kinda have to die even if you're town here though
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Post Post #5555 (isolation #583) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:12 am

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To the crumb thing, look at this post where scum had crumbed joat super early and I lost because I put too much stock in it: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13243775
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Post Post #5556 (isolation #584) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:13 am

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HURT: Pooky
HEAL: Enchant
Okay sure I'll do this though
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Post Post #5563 (isolation #585) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:00 am

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Experts can't be put as defusers which is good to have solid townies not put there
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Post Post #5564 (isolation #586) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:01 am

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I mean do you expect scum!mena to just concede cause that's lame
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Post Post #5568 (isolation #587) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:03 am

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We are limming mena today
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Post Post #5569 (isolation #588) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:03 am

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I need way better reasons than "scum mena would just flop over"
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Post Post #5608 (isolation #589) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:26 am

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I feel like the only person who would kill Cephrir here is Menalque. Does anyone have a refutation of that?
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Post Post #5613 (isolation #590) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:28 am

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I claimed VT a billion pages ago as well
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Post Post #5615 (isolation #591) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:12 pm

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Who is Cephrir threatening by being alive? His death feels like it can allow you to say "Cephrir townread me and died" and that's it
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Post Post #5617 (isolation #592) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:16 pm

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Mena said he wouldn't kill Cephrir
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Post Post #5618 (isolation #593) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:17 pm

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In post 5524, Menalque wrote:
In post 5468, Cephrir wrote:
In post 5406, Menalque wrote:Andy
Dwlee
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Bell

^ i feel good about all this being town


Mistyx, GL, Ceph, CSF <— this is the problematic section for me as it stands

\/ feel good abou this being scum

Pooky
im really obviously town and also like the only person defending you like dude
In post 5510, Datisi wrote:
Cephrir has been killed night 6. he was a
DATS Inc. vanilla employee
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Spoiler:
welcome,
Cephrir
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DATS Inc. vanilla employee
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role abilities:

~ you have no special abilities.

win conditions:

~ you win when all GB Inc. infiltrators are dead and at least one DATS Inc. employee is alive.
~ alternatively, you win when DATS Inc. employees act as successful bomb defusers 8 times.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.


the sun rises. it is now day 7.
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Post Post #5619 (isolation #594) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:17 pm

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It was his first defense on day start
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Post Post #5623 (isolation #595) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:24 pm

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I think anyone would have been better off killing me tbh, but the only one who really seems to benefit from killing Cephrir is you which is why I think it's an indicator for you. It's not just "What is the probability that menalque would kill cephrir as scum" it's "what is the probability that menalque is scum given cephrir got murdered"
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Post Post #5627 (isolation #596) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:06 pm

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I'll consider it
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Post Post #5648 (isolation #597) » Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:01 am

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I asked at the beginning of the game if we could unvote for defuser but this was after scum seemed to realize (cause it was covered in the first 100ish posts)
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Post Post #5732 (isolation #598) » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:11 am

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If we lose to menalque!scum I will never forgive myself or anyone here
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Post Post #5734 (isolation #599) » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:13 am

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Like I really respect the effort menalque is going through regardless of alignment here but there is just way too much for me pointing to menalque!scum for me to want this to live to endgame.
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