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They're out of the fence, they're bucking wild, they're off to free land now.

I guess we just watch 'em go

In post 389, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if we're both town and you vote for penguin the loss is on you dude

In post 394, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 392, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 306, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if you ask me if new information changes my mind

i would tell you resoundingly

hell to the no

Yeah, I won't hold this exact post over you as the reason why I did not see a world where you found me as town.

which of your posts am i supposed to townread you for again

In post 396, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:306 was obviously a shitpost

If you are town, and so sure that I am scum, what was the incentive for you to make these posts again?

Or is this you realizing that the way you were approaching the game was gonna cause me to vote penguin before penguin got a chance to vote you?

Are you actually upset at me cuz I don't understand why town!you would be mad at me if you think I'm mafia.

your emotional appeals are incoherent and don't make sense to me.

For you to be actually angry and upset at my play there are two things that could be true:

Town!you is pissed off at Town!me for misreading you. ok but if that's true I guess it's kind of on you to convince me you're town?

or

Scum!you is pissed off at Town!me for reading your correctly and making sure you can't win. Which, I mean ok ? like being upset isn't going to make me townread you.

What doesn't make sense to me is

Town!you thinks I'm scum and is mad at me for what I'm doing ??

Like um if I'm scum and I have convinced town!you to vote for town!penguin and that's a for town!you

like what r u mad at me for?

In post 402, Lukewarm wrote:If you are town, and so sure that I am scum, what was the incentive for you to make these posts again?

I overstate read strength to reaction test and induce emotional responses to sort people. I don't actually need to case you or push you because I can single vote you to yeet you.

In post 343, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 340, Faker wrote:

In post 338, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im like 95% sure we win just by going penguin-marci full send but ill let faker do stuff so she doesnt get mad at me for not taking this game seriously.

Why does Lukewarm pick the hardest minigame again? Is the theory here WIFOM redemption? iirc you joined second. Perhaps he hoped I'd join instead, but shrug.

i think if luke really thought marci was scum he wouldve joined sgb to yeet her

him going to sillyposting feels like him trying again redemption saga

maybe he thinks he did it wrong the last time and now hes going to try again by shading me

like lol good luck with that strat

I think this theory is absolutely horrible.

this slap fight is silly

I am going to vote penguin

you claim you're going to vote penguin

if we're both town then we're both clowns.

Nothing you're doing so far is helping to convince me you're town so I suggest you work on sorting the other 5 players in the game instead of wasting your time trying to convince me that i'm scum.

Post 15, before marcistar has ever posted:

In post 15, Lukewarm wrote:I would prefer going to the game where we have to vote for a townie, which ever one that is

This is Sillyposting. This is again before ever scumreading marcistar.

You (Pooky) say you think he would have instalocked SGB after he does scumread marci. He responds with this:

In post 79, Lukewarm wrote:I was pretty close to locking into the sillytalk one tbh.

Tired of ending up in the hard games for these things lol

This is inline with 15.

The second he sees me voice a desire for Sillyposting (which makes third after himself and Meuh), he locks it in in post 106:

In post 106, Lukewarm wrote:VOTE: Sillyposting

I don't think I have it in me this game to try and do either other game.

This is again perfectly inline with 15/79. I ask if my timing had something to do with it, and he follows up with the perferctly reasonable 110. Sure enough:

In post 110, Lukewarm wrote:That being said, you and Meuh both stating a preference for that location did make me want to go ahead and do it. In the prior runs I have seen of this, when someone locks in, there has been a good chance that 1/2 other people panic lock it.

So, there was a chance from someone to go there, the two of you panic lock in, and I be forced into another game

The original premise, that he wanted to go to Sillyposting for the easy game, is perfectly sensible. He's gotten a hard game repeatedly and has had a rough time playing mafia in general lately. From there, his posting is perfectly in line with that. Maybe it's intentionally so, but the premise makes sense and Lukewarm isn't going to abandon the easy game and respite it represents over a page 1 YOLO where merely being in it doesn't even guarantee a win.

Also, my alternative theory (that it was a reaction hoping he'd have a good chance against me) makes no fucking sense because the second I made it clear I'd have little fun in that game, but were considering going anyway, he shut it down.

This was not because it is against his alignment to have me there. It was because he has not had the best time playing hard minigames, playing with me, or playing mafia in general lately and my pessimism promised more teethpulling misery on the horizon. He wants the respite and the fun.

Plausible as town with little reason to doubt the surface is unfortunately not enough to conclusively call him town, but it is enough to have me say this line of argumentation is terrible.

In post 408, Faker wrote:The original premise, that he wanted to go to Sillyposting for the easy game, is perfectly sensible. He's gotten a hard game repeatedly and has had a rough time playing mafia in general lately. From there, his posting is perfectly in line with that. Maybe it's intentionally so, but the premise makes sense and Lukewarm isn't going to abandon the easy game and respite it represents over a page 1 YOLO where merely being in it doesn't even guarantee a win.

isn't this literally what he said as mafia

my opinion of luke as a player is wholly different from yours

I think he would absolutely want to win SP as mafia vs me or vs you, it'd be something special for him.

I would encourage you to work over 410 in its entirety and ask yourself why Lukewarm wound up requesting I not join Sillyposting.

i suck at reading dense posts

In post 411, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:isn't this literally what he said as mafia

Here's what Lukewarm said as scum in his PT:

In post 8, Lukewarm wrote:My intention as town was going to be to automatically lock myself into the Keep [Sillyposting] in my first post, but we can chat about that since I am actually scum lmao

You might be right that he is mafia, and that I am wrong for townreading him, but I am very confident the exact line of argumentation you're using is a complete deadend.

if you have a very good reason to townread him I am all ears

In post 410, Faker wrote:Plausible as town with little reason to doubt the surface is unfortunately not enough to conclusively call him town

It is not conclusive, but it is enough to have me heavily leaning that way.

If penguin flips scum, then faker is town 100% of the time.

She does not do this much to intervene, both to try and diffuse me or to get pooky to consider the possiblity that I am town.

If pooky flips scum, then I could see this coming from either alignment tbh. Scum her would need to keep me from spiraling out and to give pooky an out into reconsidering our minigame, to keep it from quickly resolving.

I also think he learned as scum not to play chicken in Sillyposting. It is a game very rigged against the scum player.

I am outright think that you should be the one voted in. If I have to deal with rolling the dice on Penguin, so be it, but I would much prefer one of them to vote you than you to vote one of them.

In post 420, Faker wrote:I also think he learned as scum not to play chicken in Sillyposting. It is a game very rigged against the scum player.

ok what would he being doing as scum here?

In post 404, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:your emotional appeals are incoherent and don't make sense to me.

For you to be actually angry and upset at my play there are two things that could be true:

Town!you is pissed off at Town!me for misreading you. ok but if that's true I guess it's kind of on you to convince me you're town?

or

Scum!you is pissed off at Town!me for reading your correctly and making sure you can't win. Which, I mean ok ? like being upset isn't going to make me townread you.

What doesn't make sense to me is

Town!you thinks I'm scum and is mad at me for what I'm doing ??

Like um if I'm scum and I have convinced town!you to vote for town!penguin and that's a

win

for town!you

like what r u mad at me for?

It turns out that I am not informed of your alignment, and so I am not sure of your alignment.

I was suspicious of some of the ways that you have interacted with me and marci, found it hard to believe your read on me was genuine, but I am not 100% sure of that you are scum

If you do flip scum, then yeah. You were trying something, it back fired, and you lost / I won. That's all well and good.

But the idea that you could still be town here is a solid source of my frustration. Because it feels entirely hopeless and pointless to try and reach you, and it also feels like you are telling me to give up on trying to sort the game, meaning it would be hard for me to reach confidence on you as town either.

And even now, you are saying that my goal should be to go all out town casing myself to you. Which 1) feels pointless, and 2) is something that I didn't want to do. I decided that I would just take on the voting power of this minigame, but it feels like you are icing me out of trying to sort you and penguin too.

So I guess, that means I just say fuck it, we lose to scum penguin.

In post 422, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 420, Faker wrote:I also think he learned as scum not to play chicken in Sillyposting. It is a game very rigged against the scum player.

ok what would he being doing as scum here?

Play slow and wait it out.

This is also completely ignoring all of the evidence I have presented that going into Sillyposting exactly the way he did is extremely likely as town. We can discuss what he does in this minigame as scum if you can give me a non-debunked reason why the current approach is unlikely as town.