Newbie 680: In this town of Cookieland... Over!

[jerseygoomba]

So, the RB just randomly chooses a name to block until someone claims?

[jerseygoomba]

Moratorium, out of curiosity, who did you attempt to investigate before it was blocked?

[guy0]

What if we make our town's policy to claim doc or not when you reach L-1? To me that's all the taste, none of the fat. We retain the 0% chance of lynching our doctor (counterclaiming the doctor today is instant loss), but we might make it through the whole day without exposing our doctor to the scum (which drops our odds of a successful protect tonight to 0.

What thinkest thou?

I completely agree, right now we have 5 people, the cop (moratorium), a doc, a mafia rb and 2 regular townies. The doctor should absolutely not roleclaim until lylo (which i believe will be a 2 town 1 mafia situation right?). We don't want to risk losing people who we know are town at this point.

[Moratorium]

Please excuse the length of this post, it expresses everything I feel the need to say up to this point, including a player evaluation near the bottom.

I think pops was simply pointing out that there were two proofs of a mafia roleblocker being present...

Not to beat a dead horse, because it really doesn't matter, but me being alive doesn't prove anything. Scum could have just chosen not to kill me, instead taking a shot at killing the doctor (which, being as they knew there was a cop and a roleblocker in the game, is a role they knew for sure existed). But again, I'm just being an asshat by trying to get the last word in on this subject, so forget it.

What bugs me is the choice to kill mana_ku...

Makes sense to me because Mana_Ku wasn't being scummy. Everyone else in the game is, so best shot for scum to persist is to keep the confusion going. Mana_Ku was also a very neutral choice, as no one had any real "alliances" with him, so no one's going to care in particular that he's the one that died. +EV.

What if we make our town's policy to claim doc or not when you reach L-1? To me that's all the taste, none of the fat. We retain the 0% chance of lynching our doctor (counterclaiming the doctor today is instant loss), but we might make it through the whole day without exposing our doctor to the scum (which drops our odds of a successful protect tonight to 0.

So scum claims doctor, counterclaim from the real doctor, and according to you counterclaim is instant loss. Set a policy so that scum knows what rules it needs to follow to win. Great play.

So, the RB just randomly chooses a name to block until someone claims?

Well, randomly in the sense that Town "randomly" lynches someone every day, the RB "randomly" picks someone to roleblock, sure. The RB would go with the information they had at the time.

moratorium, who do you think you should investigate

Moratorium, out of curiosity, who did you attempt to investigate before it was blocked?

Ok, now, here's the central thesis of the problem that I'm having with this game. Jersey, you're now the second player to ask me about my investigations. There's only 1 scum left in the game, so that means that either you or guy0, and possibly both of you, are town. That's just a fact. So in this game, at least 1 town is trying to get the cop to reveal his investigation targets.

Do you not see that this is a bad deal for town? If I reveal my investigation choice, and it turns out that I'm picking scum correctly, scum is justified in maintaining his roleblock on me. If I reveal my investigation choice and it turns out that I'm picking a townie, scum could plausibly try roleblocking someone else and increase his chances at bypassing a doctor save.

What information are you going to gain, at all, in either getting me to reveal my investigation before Night falls, or even revealing my blocked investigation attempt once Day breaks? Either way, town gains nothing, scum gains information. "I'm just being curious" is all kinds of suspicious.

Am I being unclear about this? Please let me know because we're down to crunch time here and I need you guys on your toes.

It's a good time to hear everybody's opinion on everybody else.

Here's my honest opinion of the players, in alphabetical order.

Capricious

: Big write-up about my voting pattern on Day 1, votes me, I claim cop, he states "I believe Moratorium fully" and votes Barros 4 minutes after my claim. Too easy.

guy0

: Wants investigation choices revealed, probably the player that has expressed the most suspicions about my role in this game, in a potential attempt at saving Barros.

jerseygoomba

: Wants blocked investigations revealed, only player to maintain vote on scum on Day 2, entire logic of vote ("has everything to do with") based on investigation choice is a weak case, attempted to direct my investigation on the only player I've indicated I thought was innocent.

Moratorium

: Voting pattern on Day 1 put unnecessary confusion into the game for town, Claim on Day 2 worked out in general (traded 1 scum for 1 town and loss of cop ability) but I think not claiming and fighting my way out from under the votes might have worked better. Too much stupid use of bolding, font size, and other tags makes him look pretentious.

popsofctown

: Suspects me, suspects you, suspects Mr. Flay, suspects himself, suspects his mother, has opinions that conflict with mine, yours, his own, I could not begin to put together a coherent timeline of the thought process coming from this individual. Absolutely insane, jumps on every bandwagon in the game, creates cases while bandwagoning someone else, invents voting systems to further his inability to commit, couldn't be scummier if we buried him in the dump.

I think he's town.

TL;DR -> You're all scummy, and pops gets a pass because he's in the Special Olympics.

[Moratorium]

[quote=Moratorium]
only player to maintain vote on scum on Day 2
[/quote]

EBWOP: "only player NOT to maintain vote on scum on day 2"

[Moratorium]

and I broke the quote...



It's been a long day already.

[jerseygoomba]

Moratorium,

If I were scum, don't you think it draws WAYYYY to much attention to stick with my vote on you yesterday? Wouldn't it be smarter of me to go along with the group to fit in (blend in with the other townies)? I may be new, but if I were scum, I wouldn't be dumb enough to be the only one not jumping on a bandwagon based on a cop claim. And if I WAS that dumb, then I would get what I deserved and the town would win.

Now that I put that out there, it makes more sense to actually see that pops may not be scum. No scum in their right mind would try to incur as much outright suspicion as pops has (unless they have gigantic cajones, but that would be a dangerous game to play). So, that makes pops town in my eyes.

I have to go back and really read through the thread to post good analysis on capricious and guy0.

I do want to throw one last thought out to the town for their thoughts on how plausible this paranoid scenario is:

We could be in a 2 goons, no cop, no roleblocker (and no doctor). Both Barros and Moratorium are scum and they agree to throw Barros under the bus. That would "prove" Moratorium's cop claim, and the investigation block last night puts fear of a roleblocker in town. Puts Moratorium in a VERY safe position with which to pick off the rest of town one by one without having to worry about being picked off himself. Why wouldn't the scum try to take out the cop last night if for no other reason than to flush out the doctor? Am I being neurotic?

I'm not trying to continue my quest to get Moratorium lynched, I'm just trying to decide if I'm being to paranoid and should simply write off Moratorium as a true Townie cop and focus my energies at the rest of town.

[guy0]

ya i sorta realized the stupidity of what i said right after saying it. But what i meant was, "moratorium, what are the advantages/disadvantages of investigating each person" not "moratorium, who are you going to investigate."

I'll do my own little thingy on each person too, since i guess it would start up some discussion. (not in alphabetical order, but just the order i felt like doing)

Moratorium

Obv cop, no question about that, should survive until the end.

Capricious

Seems to be VERY dogmatic and very stubborn when it comes to his theories, and rarely changes his stance when he finds what he believes in (day 2, he started attack moratorium, then once moratorium claimed, unconditionally believed moratorium despite what was said)

guy0

Likes to closely look at all sides before voting, but usually sticks with what he initially thought in the end, unless something like a roleclaim pops out.

popsofctown

Sometimes I feel like this guy has a switch on his brain where every few hours changes who he thinks is scum. He is essentially the exact opposite of Capricious, who likes to stick to his opinions. Sometimes i feel like hes just racking up ways to prove why everyone is scum except him, could be scummy, could be ... well ... just weird.

jerseygoomba

kinda like Capricious in his stubbornness, but i feel that, unlike capricious, he makes mountains out of molehills. I think most people understood that moratorium was the more believable in day 2 except him, dunno what that says about him, because if he were a townie, he may have realized that by opposing the barros wagon so strongly, he may get some suspicion, which would lead to his lynch as opposed to a scum lynch, which doesn't seem very pro town, but this is all jsut speculative.

Some of what i said agrees with what moratorium just said, some adds a little extra.

[Moratorium]

We could be in a 2 goons, no cop, no roleblocker (and no doctor). Both Barros and Moratorium are scum and they agree to throw Barros under the bus. That would "prove" Moratorium's cop claim, and the investigation block last night puts fear of a roleblocker in town. Puts Moratorium in a VERY safe position with which to pick off the rest of town one by one without having to worry about being picked off himself. Why wouldn't the scum try to take out the cop last night if for no other reason than to flush out the doctor? Am I being neurotic?

Let me just point out the fact that a majority (3 out of 5) of the remaining players in this game know for a fact what the role makeup of this game is.

[Moratorium]

Oh and I really like the "give me your opinion on everyone" idea, and would like to see it from Capricious/Pops/Jersey. I think we will all learn a lot.

[guy0]

We could be in a 2 goons, no cop, no roleblocker (and no doctor). Both Barros and Moratorium are scum and they agree to throw Barros under the bus. That would "prove" Moratorium's cop claim, and the investigation block last night puts fear of a roleblocker in town. Puts Moratorium in a VERY safe position with which to pick off the rest of town one by one without having to worry about being picked off himself. Why wouldn't the scum try to take out the cop last night if for no other reason than to flush out the doctor? Am I being neurotic?

Let me just point out the fact that a majority (3 out of 5) of the remaining players in this game know for a fact what the role makeup of this game is.

What I think jersey is trying to say is that there is still a tiny possibility that what he said is true, but it is HIGHLY unlikely, as it would have meant that the mafia gambled on the 1/3 chance that there was no other cop.

[Moratorium]

What I think jersey is trying to say is that there is still a tiny possibility that what he said is true, but it is HIGHLY unlikely, as it would have meant that the mafia gambled on the 1/3 chance that there was no other cop.

While I agree with this, the point I'm trying to make is that if jersey is town and is still trying to push this idea on the other three town, two of us immediately disagree based on the role makeup of the game. I'm not trying to convince you what to believe right now, I'm just telling you what I know.

And anyone suspecting Jersey of being the RB might possibly consider this play to be a blatant rolefish, to see which other player comes out and mounts a strong defense on my behalf, so that he knows who to NK tonight.

I'm not trying to continue my quest to get Moratorium lynched, I'm just trying to decide if I'm being to paranoid and should simply write off Moratorium as a true Townie cop and focus my energies at the rest of town.

Some people might read this as "Hey everyone, don't freak out, I may possibly change my mind in the near future, please don't suspect this act as being in any way anti-town."

Which inherently isn't necessarily scummy or townie. I'm just sayin'.

[popsofctown]

popsofctown

: Suspects me, suspects you, suspects Mr. Flay, suspects himself, suspects his mother, has opinions that conflict with mine, yours, his own, I could not begin to put together a coherent timeline of the thought process coming from this individual. Absolutely insane, jumps on every bandwagon in the game, creates cases while bandwagoning someone else, invents voting systems to further his inability to commit, couldn't be scummier if we buried him in the dump.

I think he's town.

TL;DR -> You're all scummy, and pops gets a pass because he's in the Special Olympics.

Can we sig quotes from ongoing games?

@doctor claiming policy: Moratorium, your playing that thing out wrong in your head. Two things can happen if a scum player reaches L-1.
a. He doesn't claim. Unless someone does something stupid (which could happen), in between L-1 and the hammer, we lynch him.
b. He falsely claims doctor. Doctor counterclaims. We lynch the counterclaimer. 3 town, 1 scum. Scum NK. 2 town, 1 scum. D3, two townies are looking at a scum who claimed doctor earlier, and we have a flipped doctor. Town wins.

It plays out the same way if you reverse it, if scum tries to counterclaim the guy at L-1 in order to confirm the lynch.

It's a 4 town 1 scum day.

If the mafia roleblocker claims doctor today, town wins

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@ character analyses
okie dokie.

Not in alphabetical order

(dang it, political correctness is dumb! I don't even know where Caucasia is, so I'm not gonna say that's where I'm from!)

jerseygoomba

: One of the most suspicious players in the game. I need to dismiss more of his mistakes as newbish play, probably though. I don't want jerseygoomba to be YE: Internet Access edition. There's some WIFOM involved in whether i consider his vote on Moratorium D2 to be scummy, however, I think he loses points for that because it's really, really hard for me to see someone picking Moratorium for the day's lynch instead of Barros. I did post suspicions of Moratorium on D2, but I was just looking at all the angles, sorting things through. I never voted or cupcaked Moratorium. And most of the explanatory posts that alleviated my concerns about Moratorium apparently did nothing for jerseygoomba. I agree that players lose points for asking who was investigated or who will be investigated, but not too much, it's possible for them to just be ignorant of the ramifications.
Jerseygoomba's yelling that he'd love to be investigated at the end of the day yesterday makes me suspicious too. As i've explained. If jerseygoomba is townie, he would want someone else to get investigated so that we can find scum and win. I think the actual case here is that jerseygoomba is newbscum, he knew he was afraid to be investigated so he thought, "So, I should do the opposite and pretend I'm not afraid of being investigated!!" But what he failed to realize is that that doesn't make sense...
And that now, there's no reason anyone would seem any less guilty because they were "brave" enough to get investigated yesterday, because we know now the scum is a roleblocker, and the scum knew since Moratorium's first post D2 that Moratorium would not be investigating anyone else, ever again.

guy0

- I'm moving backwards in my suspicions on guy0 right now.. they are still there though. I think I blew up his inactivity at that one calendar day in time on D1. I just wanted a rise out of him, overall he passed. He's still a little bit suspicious for having so much indecision on whether Barros was scum. Wasn't he among the ones who refused to accept Moratorium's explanation of his N1 investigation? I can't remember. Anyway, somewhat not happy about that. Second place in my book.

Capricious

- His positions against the pops-eric conspiracy theory and for Moratorium being cop were both correct, but do to the corrosive effects of WIFOM, he gets only a smidgen of protown credits for all this. He doesn't say way too much, but he says enough for him not to be considered a lurker. The only scummy thing he's said is that he believed the scum to be on the YE wagon... if that's even that scummy. (someone pointed out it was a little to self-vindicating, since he wasn't on the YE wagon).
Ultimately, he's managed to cover more wall with nonscummy comments than scummy comments, so he is slightly protown to me. Since he doesn't post all that much though, I'm not sure his protown actions aren't just playing along, and maybe he's scum that's good at this game. But, what can I do? So, he's below average chances of being scum to me, but not that much. He gets a pass from me on the condition that he remains active today and doesn't say anything particularly disconcerting.

Moratorium

- For all intents and purposes that i shall intend or repurpose myself with, this player is town. The doublescum gambit suggested D2 has a 50% chance of instant scum loss. If we compound that with even a 1% chance of Moratorium being unable to conceal true intentions, then the scum are signing up to lose a game that naturally (based on random lynching) favors them. Is it still possible? Maybe. Not. No. He's also been an overall nonscummy player D2 (your D1 is meh).
I'm not entertaining any perspectives of what's going on in the town if they don't involve Moratorium as the town's confirmed, innocent, powerless cop.
Oh, and Moratorium I'm going to let you be an ***hat and have the last word on that other matter. You get the last lick at the dead horse. I don't like horse meat anyway.

popsofctown

My analysis of this player shows him to be:
* 2 3/4 cups all-purpose flour
* 1 teaspoon baking soda
* 1/2 teaspoon baking powder
* 1 cup butter, softened
* 1 1/2 cups white sugar
* 1 egg
* 1 teaspoon vanilla extract

[popsofctown]

Yes, i'm continuing to bring joy and flavor to the thread!
If I actually need to do self-commentation of any sort, request something specific or otherwise complain. I just don't feel like it right now.

[Moratorium]

@doctor claiming policy: Moratorium, your playing that thing out wrong in your head. Two things can happen if a scum player reaches L-1.
a. He doesn't claim. Unless someone does something stupid (which could happen), in between L-1 and the hammer, we lynch him.
b. He falsely claims doctor. Doctor counterclaims. We lynch the counterclaimer. 3 town, 1 scum. Scum NK. 2 town, 1 scum. D3, two townies are looking at a scum who claimed doctor earlier, and we have a flipped doctor. Town wins.

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ahem..

Hey, that made a heck of a lot of sssseeee....

*cough* AHEM

Boy, that thing that popsofctown just said made a lot of good seeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

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Sorry, it's just not coming out.

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Good point, pops.

[Moratorium]

EBWOP: I didn't write that quote, pops did. I'm an egotist.

[popsofctown]

Don't worry Moratorium,

every

both times you say that, it will get a little easier.

[Capricious]

I have just realized that Mana Ku was the one who replaced Chuck Norris, this is bad.

[popsofctown]

details? And would you like to give us your player-eval post?

[Moratorium]

I have just realized that Mana Ku was the one who replaced Chuck Norris, this is bad.

More please.

[Capricious]

Aw, But I like my mystique.

It's minor. I was rereading, investigating the posts surrounding the UNI-Lindisfarne-Chuck Norris line of hydras, and concluded it to be town.

[Capricious]

I want jerseygoomba to give his thoughts or pseudo-thoughts on everyone first.

[Moratorium]

You're coming off as stalling.

[popsofctown]

It does come off that way, but i suspect he has a good reason for it. I'll allow it.

There's probably some pattern that jerseygoomba is producing, and he wants to let it iterate a bit more before he gives his analysis of it (because then it would immediately stop).

If he does something along those lines, I'll be fine with it. If it turns out he's just stalling though, we're going to have problems.

[Moratorium]

It does come off that way, but i suspect he has a good reason for it. I'll allow it.

There's probably some pattern that jerseygoomba is producing...

Do you realise that you basically just

invented

a reason to reinforce your suspicions of jerseygoomba, while simultaneously lowering your suspicions of Capricious?