In post 3959, Desperado wrote:I hate this argument. Scum reads are not required to work together. That you're using it to defend yourself leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
...why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth that I think that it's fucking dumb not to consider how your reads work together. Seriously, scum don't fucking exist in a vacuum. Why are you adverse to using that fact to scumhunt?
Because you are making a conditional statement (If Mala is scum, I am not) and then applying the statement in a way to make you appear to be town without satisfying the condition first. It's really underhanded.
And scum don't exist in a vacuum, but what constitutes scum-scum interaction and how associative tells actually work are just about the most subjective aspect of mafia in my opinion, and the argument that because you've been FOSing Mala since day one, you couldn't possibly be scum together, does not align with my perspective. Do you honestly believe that a Mala scum flip would clear you as town?
Guys, you could be fucking running the place. You could be making scum very sorry you're alive. Right now, you're making me sad that voting you isn't a fucking option.
Mala's AtE is null, particularly a 'Town doesn't want me in LYLO' bit.
In post 3974, Ghostlin wrote:And before anyone goes 'why would I want to make scum sorry I'm alive, Ghostlin? I'll get shot.'
You're. Confirmed. Fucking. Town. Getting shot is your goddamn job, along with rooting out the scum.
Nine fucking people aren't voting. You better have reasons why right the goddamn now.
In post 3975, Ghostlin wrote:IT'S ONLY DAY FUCKING THREE, WE SHOULDN'T BE FEELING APATHY NOW!
I don't think it's reliable. IIRC when it was brought up originally someone provided some counter examples. I certainly wouldn't trust it enough to draw any conclusions from it.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:46 pm
by notscience
hm, fair enough.
Thoughts on Mala's AtE?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:51 pm
by Desperado
It's been basically nonstop since she replaced in and she seems pretty committed to it at this point. I'd compromise on her if necessary but if she's scum she has 0 credibility with the town and is basically a non-factor at this point--FTL and Bro are both better votes.
Mac's still alive for the same god damn reason you are. I'm not thrilled about either of those, but that's going to be my default response when asked about you/Mac.
Get better soon, andy. Whatever's going on, it's not worth getting drunk and wrecking yourself.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:28 pm
by Trust Fund
In no particular order within categories.
Town:
8. Mac (Neighborhood interactions)
9. mastin2 (Actions, townposting)
6. Faster Than Light (As nacho said last game, you can't fake this level of crazy bad gambiting)
14. notscience, Midori Uzuki (innocent child, duh)
19. Trust Fund (Because it's me)
21. zMuffinMan (Day one interactions with Rach, etc)
16. Mutleyddmc (Un CC'd vig in a confirmed single scum faction game)
Town reads find them town:
20. Venmar (per mastin)
Lean null-town:
2. Andrius (If he's softing what I think he's softing, needs to be confirmed before lylo)
Null:
4. BROseidon (Reaction to my little test was good, but ffery's reads are a thing I trust)
10. Nachomamma8 (Not nearly enough action, but I'm guilty of that too, and ffery townread 'em)
To Sort:
1. Aj The Epic (Need to ISO)
5. Desperado (Factor in new castle meta data of scumgame)
7. Ghostlin (I really should have a read here)
12. Malakittens (was leaning town, sunk)
18. TiphaineDeath (need to re-evaluate)
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:29 pm
by Trust Fund
(For the record, syr pretty much ditched me, so it's all cabd right now. If he comes back, i'm sure he'll spam some gifs to let you all know.)
Null
Andrius (fery have him as town I think)
Nachomamma (I think fery have him as leaning town)
mastin2
Mac
Scum
nhammen/Mala
BROseidon
skull/mutley
Here's ffery-gif's last reads list. She was much more sure about Bro than Mala.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:38 pm
by Trust Fund
BnB's reads are fragmented everywhere, but I'll try to piece them together.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:46 pm
by zMuffinMan
while sos's reads may have had something to do with why they were killed, i think it was more to do with them being a universal town read with strong influence on this player list.
i don't think it's wise to base reads on, "sos was killed; they must have been on to scum."
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:53 pm
by Trust Fund
Good thing that's not what I'm doing, muffin.
I always compare my reads to ffery's. Especially when her alignment in confirmed. I've hydra'd with her several times, I know her strengths and weaknesses at reading players (she's good at nacho, she's bad at rach, for example)
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:02 pm
by zMuffinMan
ok. then continue doing what you're doing and tell me when you decide on who you want to vote today.
btw what is the difference between "null" and "to sort"? presumably you still need to sort the nulls, no?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:08 pm
by Trust Fund
To sort means I know exactly what I need to do to sort them and or i'm thinking they're scum but need to confirm before I go for blood. Nulls, otoh, I don't know what I'm going to do with them yet. but I don't see myself voting my nulls today.