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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:23 am
by Yukari Yakumo
VC 3.14
zMuffinMan (L-7):
pieguyn | Mac
GoodCop_BadCop (L-5):
ActionDan | Saki | Kagami | Jaqen Hghar
ActionDan (L-8):
Kise
bubbajack8 (L-8):
Messiah Complex
Saki (L-4):
GoodCop_BadCop | Varsoon | Katarnia LeBlanc | Sakura Hana | dramonic
Messiah Complex (L-8):
bubbajack8

Not Voting:
Nachomamma8, zMuffinMan

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.

The deadline is February 11, 3:30 PM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-02-11 15:30:00)

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:24 am
by Kagami
Pie, might be a good idea to do a wagon analysis if you have time. That could be useful, and seems like your cup of tea.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:27 am
by pieguyn
you seem to be familiar with my playstyle :>

that's probably a good idea but idk how much i'll get given it's plurality lynches

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:20 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.)
This is a lie. GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:20 am
by Messiah Complex
Unvote
Vote: GCBC

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:21 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy
I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.
)
This is a lie.
GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:24 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 3991, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:I can honestly see why Cabd is blacklisting you.
No. Wayne is totally right. Every single one of those "reads" was designed solely to manipulate.

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:25 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 4000, Yukari Yakumo wrote:Saki (L-4): GoodCop_BadCop | Varsoon | Katarnia LeBlanc | Sakura Hana | dramonic
Holy shit this wagon is fucking TERRIBLE

TERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE

-Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:27 am
by Cabd
In post 4005, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy
I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.
)
This is a lie.
GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des
Then I take it you'll have no problems self-voting tomorrow after my townflip? I can live with that. Sorry to see that mollie was right about you, I was hoping she wasn't so that I could tease her about it postgame.

I've already accepted I'm probably gonna die today, so you may proceed to get rekt tomorrow.


Also if gif actually did PM you unprompted rather than as a response to your specific questioning, I'm going to have to have a word with him postgame about the proper behaviors of a game moderator; because that's intervention.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:33 am
by Kagami
If GiF did, it's entirely possible that the role PM had a mistake or implied something that was not true, and GiF felt the need to correct it before it made a difference in game-play.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:38 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 4009, Kagami wrote:If GiF did, it's entirely possible that the role PM had a mistake or implied something that was not true, and GiF felt the need to correct it before it made a difference in game-play.
Right, and GIF explicitly told us that other players are not aware that they have the item that we can steal, which is why Bubba can still be town (because he has another item relevant to his role) while Cabd cannot (because he specifically said that GIF told him he has nothing that can be stolen).

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:44 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 4008, Cabd wrote:Then I take it you'll have no problems self-voting tomorrow after my townflip? I can live with that. Sorry to see that mollie was right about you, I was hoping she wasn't so that I could tease her about it postgame.
This is so blase. Straight up going through the motions.

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:45 am
by Cabd
Call it whatever you'd like, desperado. It's your funeral.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:48 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 4012, Cabd wrote:Call it whatever you'd like, desperado. It's your funeral.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I presume this is your way of agreeing that there is no alternative explanation for our independent mod interactions?

^Because that's what I would have expected town-cabd's first response to be. Not a lame 1v1 invitation.

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:55 am
by Katarina LeBlanc
In post 3638, bubbajack8 wrote: I'm going to go ahead and full claim now. I'm a good one-shot active bomb Girl. Now what does this mean? Well as said earlier
I have a nuculear rod.
ONCE as in UNO I may arm myself. If anyone tries to kill me that night they die too. It's gone in the morning. Which is why I wouldn't blow up on lynch like GiF said. (:

MUffin I already quoted everything Lush said about you. Did you miss that? And you CRUCIALLY left out Majiffy's town read on you, and then him saying "His reads were all wrong"
In post 3726, bubbajack8 wrote:So I messaged mod and they said
my item can't be stolen.
This also puts me at mislynch fodder since some people still refuse to believe I'm town.

If we're lynching GCBC just so he doesn't get to lylo I HIGHLY suggest you all change your votes to me.

VOTE: Bubba

GiF: whydoieventry? ):
In post 4005, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy
I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.
)
This is a lie.
GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.


The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:00 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 4010, Messiah Complex wrote:Right, and GIF explicitly told us that other players are not aware that they have the item that we can steal, which is why Bubba can still be town (because he has another item relevant to his role) while Cabd cannot (because he specifically said that GIF told him he has nothing that can be stolen).

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:04 am
by Kagami
Yukari told me that if I had asked whether a specific item can be stolen, she would have answered my question. MC says that yukari had told him that players will not know by default whether they have an item that can be stolen. I don't see a contradiction.

The only thing that has struck me as slightly odd about the item discussion is that the description of my ability is very mechanical. Other than the name of the ability, there is no flavor, just a direct description of what I can do. This is slightly at odds with bubba's claim, which seems to specifically mention a flavor object (the control rod), but there could be theft-related reasons for that.

@Mac: you've fully claimed, right? Unlimited shot Good Healing Girl?

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:06 am
by Katarina LeBlanc
Man I hate when it comes down to game mechanics.

My role is an ability as well. It's called "
Definitely not cheating
" and a brief description of the ability. (That I can ask a moderator a yes or no question regarding the game but not the alignment)

GCBC, word your communication with the moderator better. Bubba, you too.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:11 am
by Messiah Complex
In post 4016, Kagami wrote:but there could be theft-related reasons for that.
We don't steal actual items. We steal other things that the player is not aware of that will be relevant to their flavor.

Get it?

- Des

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:12 am
by GoodCop_BadCop
Spoiler: For Posterity
In post 684, Cabd wrote:HLY FUCK I KNW IT ITS FUCKING WAYNEGG

Go eat shit and die.
In post 1552, Cabd wrote:In case he's actually that stupid, reads would be a good idea ASAP, kaze.
In post 2356, Cabd wrote:Uh guys once again i'd like to remind you that the claimed mason just said "no touching gaiden" so uh yeah.
In post 2363, Cabd wrote:Welcome to waynegg. Enjoy your stay, chamber.

Muffin, tell me why we should lynch somebody that hasn't had a chance to claim over a vaguely useless role?
In post 2429, Cabd wrote:Is that something done to you, messiah?
In post 3033, Cabd wrote:...Did the village innocent idiot just suggest that I'm scum because I went through Mollie's ISO and found their posts relating to muffin? I think that just fucking happened.
In post 3460, Cabd wrote:Huh. News to me. Still town though, so it doesn't really matter. You're still speedlynchiing muffin tomorrow.
In post 3740, Cabd wrote:I asked if I have anything stealable, I was told turtles are nice.


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In post 4008, Cabd wrote:
In post 4005, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy
I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.
)
This is a lie.
GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des
Then I take it you'll have no problems self-voting tomorrow after my townflip? I can live with that. Sorry to see that mollie was right about you, I was hoping she wasn't so that I could tease her about it postgame.

I've already accepted I'm probably gonna die today, so you may proceed to get rekt tomorrow.


Also if gif actually did PM you unprompted rather than as a response to your specific questioning, I'm going to have to have a word with him postgame about the proper behaviors of a game moderator; because that's intervention.
In post 4012, Cabd wrote:Call it whatever you'd like, desperado. It's your funeral.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:20 am
by Kagami
In post 4018, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 4016, Kagami wrote:but there could be theft-related reasons for that.
We don't steal actual items. We steal other things that the player is not aware of that will be relevant to their flavor.

Get it?

- Des
Yes, I understand your ability as well as anyone seems to. You are something like a flavor cop with side-effects depending on what you steal. For unknown reasons, you weren't able to steal anything from dramonic. That seems to basically be it.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:21 am
by Messiah Complex
I might have misread 4016. Which contradiction were you referring to?

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:23 am
by Kagami
You're saying gif told you people wouldn't know if they have stuff to steal. GCBC says that gif has told him he has nothing to steal. <- I believe this is the contradiction you were pointing out.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:23 am
by bubbajack8
In post 4005, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy
I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.
)
This is a lie.
GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Uh I got a response from Gif saying my item can't be stolen so you're full of BS.

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:27 am
by bubbajack8
In post 4017, Katarina LeBlanc wrote: GCBC, word your communication with the moderator better. Bubba, you too.
I worded what would happen if I tried to use my item and it was stolen. Mod said It can't be stolen (assuming thief exists.).