with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-10-03 13:30:00).
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:53 am
by osuka
In post 3999, PlusJOYED wrote:to try and postpone kersets elim
also defending kerset is insane regardless of alignment
Ill admit to being insane but isn’t hard defending a scumbuddy like that a death sentence?
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:42 am
by Andresvmb
@Bob, what are the odds that we have a Vengeful Townie this game?
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:45 am
by Andresvmb
Also, this defense that hard defending a buddy is not something you would do as Scum is, uhm, bad. How about pushing for actual Scum as Town?
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:47 am
by Andresvmb
I have to be honest, the odds that we have a Vengeful Townie this game are like 1%. It doesn’t fit with an Informed Loyal Cop, a Scum Rolestopper, an Ascetic, and a Miller Town Checker. I think it’s way overpowered (since it’s essentially a Day Vig that negates the Scum Rolestopper, which would be insane in a game with a Cop).
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:48 am
by Andresvmb
I’m not buying the claim at all, and all of the softing is completely counter-intuitive. So you want to be NK’ed so that you don’t have to shoot and narrow the POE further? This makes no sense.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:49 am
by Andresvmb
And you’re threatening to shoot Ydrasse? Why? Where is the Town consensus that this is the correct shot? And why are you making this threat when you’re not L-1?
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:59 am
by Andresvmb
I think the correct play is to execute plus, and have the shot be expended. I would rather have control as to the potential outcome of this game as Town rather than leave it in the hands of plus tomorrow (if he is Town, and shoots incorrectly, that knocks 3 players with the NK and we lose with a mis-elimination today and an NK).
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:08 am
by bob3141
In post 4002, Andresvmb wrote:@Bob, what are the odds that we have a Vengeful Townie this game?
Well its not exactly a claim scum makes as a scum plus would have to be desperate to make it.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:09 am
by bob3141
Well its not exactly a claim scum makes. As a scum plus would have to be desperate to make it.
missed the full stop
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:18 am
by bob3141
In post 4004, Andresvmb wrote:I have to be honest, the odds that we have a Vengeful Townie this game are like 1%. It doesn’t fit with an Informed Loyal Cop, a Scum Rolestopper, an Ascetic, and a Miller Town Checker. I think it’s way overpowered (since it’s essentially a Day Vig that negates the Scum Rolestopper, which would be insane in a game with a Cop).
Thats bad set up spec.
miller town checker at most could be consider half medium role. Miller in this case isnt realy an weakness as it confirms the presence of a cop.
So 1/2 role
cops are 1.5 ish. the loyal slighly weakens it as it cant find guilties only clears. Unless a town checker can confirm that teh same player wasnt rolestopped
Ascetic if town is a town negative role. In this case would a be second miller. As a scum role it would be positive power for them but not vs the cop. So not as strong as it would be if the cop didnt have the loyal modifier.
vengful is an awful claim to make as scum. so unless we have lots of counter town power then plus is town
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:19 am
by bob3141
I would expect us to have atleast one more town power role with plus
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:22 am
by Andresvmb
So you think that in a game with a Cop that can clear people, Town gets a Role that can nuke one of the non-cleared slots? I agree it’s kind of a bad claim for Scum don’t get me wrong. I just don’t get it.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:23 am
by Andresvmb
VOTE: Osuka
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:24 am
by bob3141
And the scum rolestopper doesnt realy have much to do with vengful. And in this balance teh scum rolestopper is probably intended to cause ambiguity over teh cop results. With the intent of it being used to stop clears being formed
Veng is like a one shot vig but only worse. As it requires a mislynch to use. So in one go it removes 2 mislynches rather than one. For the same odds of killing scum. With that being based on the persons reads
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:26 am
by bob3141
In post 4012, Andresvmb wrote:So you think that in a game with a Cop that can clear people, Town gets a Role that can nuke one of the non-cleared slots? I agree it’s kind of a bad claim for Scum don’t get me wrong. I just don’t get it.
seen it once before in the 2020 large theme. They lynched the player and they hit scum with their shot.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:39 am
by Andresvmb
UNVOTE:
I think I need to think about this game a lot. There’s something that isn’t quite right here.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:45 am
by PlusJOYED
I still think the play is to elim osuka, he"s obviously scum at this point
to try and sort them and they passed. with flying colours.
I think Ydrasse is town.
when I say they're scum they immediately ask me to prove it which means they have nothing to hide esp. considering their fairly weak scumrange?
when I did that quote wall they manage to find my error - I disregarded d2 interactions with ydrasse-kerset which kinda heavily towntells
posts around 3939 are super genuine and trying to find my mindset while making their point across
"i really don't know how to get the point across" taking into my account my stubborn actions around it this is very town
Andres / Menal / Ydrasse / Taylor are townies. Bob / Math / plusjoy / osuka are the lynchpool. there's a very high chance of hitting scum with osuka lim, and I want plus to claim tomorrow. This game's nearly solved.
i mean i basically agree with you, but the fact that you had to go through all that to get there makes me distrust you.