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In post 3868, UNOwen wrote:- dodgy dave stubbornly sitting on his hands the entire day
- Plus hammering without a claim twice and ending day 3 way too early
- shelly with an unconvincing and conveniently timed claim

Individually any one of them looks scummier to me than either duppin or Hectic but together there is no combination that satisfyingly explains how they've played today. Shelly sticking her neck out to save dave by going after duppin is a strange risk if that's the team, even stranger if it's Plus/shelly (which I doubt, but suppose is still possible).

In post 3998, shellyc wrote:

In post 3959, UNOwen wrote:It remains possible that I have been completely fooled by the entire scum team deciding to townread me, in particular duppin's reasons for trusting me reminded me of Noraa and I really don't think my day 1 ISO was all that great considering most of it was spent tunnelling town. I don't understand why he wavered on his Hectic read but not on me when from his point of view Hectic has been backing him up all along and I have been the one to avoid committing, so if anything I should look like the opportunistic scum waiting to see which way the wind blows. It kind of looked like it was a reaction to Plus mentioning the duppin/Hectic team possibility. He certainly has had a suspiciously explain-y tone at times which I have put down to personality. Finally, the independent raising of the replace out theory by Hectic and duppin sticks in my mind, it could suggest that this was something scum talked about in pt.

found it

In post 3999, duppin wrote:uh how about you just iso me. i brought up the fact that she never voted on you and actually gave you a slight tr for your play even though her play was dodgy, i pointed out how she dodged the plus wagon but then later retracted that as i realised she had voted on plus earlier etc

In post 3959, UNOwen wrote:

In post 3955, Hectic wrote:YES ONOWEN

you have no idea how happy I am to see you finally seeing the light. now we just need to get that + guy out of the darkness

See now I fear I am being manipulated again.

So this is where I am unless I survive to day 5 and go back to doubt and indecision:

It remains possible that I have been completely fooled by the entire scum team deciding to townread me, in particular duppin's reasons for trusting me reminded me of Noraa and I really don't think my day 1 ISO was all that great considering most of it was spent tunnelling town. I don't understand why he wavered on his Hectic read but not on me when from his point of view Hectic has been backing him up all along and I have been the one to avoid committing, so if anything I should look like the opportunistic scum waiting to see which way the wind blows. It kind of looked like it was a reaction to Plus mentioning the duppin/Hectic team possibility. He certainly has had a suspiciously explain-y tone at times which I have put down to personality. Finally, the independent raising of the replace out theory by Hectic and duppin sticks in my mind, it could suggest that this was something scum talked about in pt.

But overall I end up thinking that this is just paranoia and that the scum team is simply shelly/dave. Hectic seemed genuine about thinking there was going to be an execution today, so the motive for the commuter claim as scum is weakened (he does not need to explain his survival to day 5 if the scumpartner he's defending is about to get executed). bugspray stuff is still a problem, but my instinct would probably have been to point it out without thinking too. And does duppin scum call attention to this if that was his partners play?

shelly's claim requires believing that despite being super confident this entire game, she got worried when she had a guilty result on her track. It also requires believing that she chose not to track the players she was suspicious of. Stitching up duppin instead of Plus is strange, but maybe the idea was that Plus would be too obvious. Perhaps she was worried she would not win in final three, perhaps she was just impatient and wanted to make a bold play, perhaps she intended to claim it was a reaction test but decided to press ahead when it looked like it might fly. It's a big risk, but I can see her going for it.

I think Hectic has a good argument that a lot of what she says sounds fake and it's difficult to imagine her believing in it, going all the way back to the Jackson push from day 1. It's probably worth comparing this with some of her town games to see if this is AI or if it's just how she plays but in isolation it looks clearly scummy.

With dave idk, it might just be because I haven't seen a lot. This day has gone all the way to deadline to allow time for him to do his hard reset and all he has offered is a mechanical defence that soft supports shelly but does not account for Hectic's claim or what she has actually said. It's a shame if he is town and this is all he has time for, but I would have expected town in this situation to have a bit more urgency in providing relevant content. He had no problem offering weak reads when he entered (2005) so I don't trust this "I have bad reads" explanation. Going back, he was prepared to hammer the Redados wagon because he agreed with it despite not once suggesting so during day 1, and he wordlessly echoed the Noraa/Mundivore/UNO solve despite claiming he had his own reasons which he never had the chance to expand on. It's not much and they feel like lazy reasons to say he is scum, but the simplest explanation is that he is and is just attempting to coast it out.

In post 4002, shellyc wrote:

In post 3999, duppin wrote:uh how about you just iso me. i brought up the fact that she never voted on you and actually gave you a slight tr for your play even though her play was dodgy, i pointed out how she dodged the plus wagon but then later retracted that as i realised she had voted on plus earlier etc

who's she here

also why should I ISO confscum

In post 4008, duppin wrote:but i am sure plus will townread you for it so no need to be worried

In post 4010, duppin wrote:then surely you shouldnt care about me trying to engage dave and plus

In post 4011, shellyc wrote:

In post 4008, duppin wrote:but i am sure plus will townread you for it so no need to be worried

see you already lost hope

well played but just concede so we can speed this up and get to postgame

In post 4012, shellyc wrote:

In post 4010, duppin wrote:then surely you shouldnt care about me trying to engage dave and plus

i care because i need my TRs to form a block and vote you

In post 4014, duppin wrote:but why would you mind, you are apparently very "charismatic"

In post 4015, shellyc wrote:

In post 4014, duppin wrote:but why would you mind, you are apparently very "charismatic"

because I need to high effort to convince them

In post 4016, shellyc wrote:im making sure you're not just bullshitting as you usually do

also plus is town and has been with me so you just lost

In post 4017, duppin wrote:doubtful since me uno and hectic all put in a high effort yesterday and neither of them showed up, so i think you should just continue with the lies and being hypocritic that seems to work for you

In post 4018, duppin wrote:once again a slip, you just know dave is town and is voting with you even though he has barely said anything. even plus has no idea where dave is but you have no concern at all

In post 4019, shellyc wrote:

In post 4017, duppin wrote:doubtful since me uno and hectic all put in a high effort yesterday and neither of them showed up, so i think you should just continue with the lies and being hypocritic that seems to work for you

lol?

I had more posts than both UNO and hectic yesterday

In post 4021, shellyc wrote:

In post 4018, duppin wrote:once again a slip, you just know dave is town and is voting with you even though he has barely said anything. even plus has no idea where dave is but you have no concern at all

plus and dave are both town and with me. k thanks.