Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:41 am
This is a dumb argument and you know that.In post 3992, Menalque wrote:Peta, simple question: would you feel worse losing to scum!me or to scum!smart?
This is a dumb argument and you know that.In post 3992, Menalque wrote:Peta, simple question: would you feel worse losing to scum!me or to scum!smart?
I don’t particularly see what’s towny abut thisIn post 3997, Infinity 324 wrote:Apart from a general feeling of him having well-motivated questions, this felt particularly genuine to meIn post 3592, Something_Smart wrote:I see why it's plausible as coming from town, of course, but it still seems weird and makes more sense as coming from scum than from town.In post 3586, Infinity 324 wrote:@s_s Do you at least see the conflict that’s happening in my head?
I still want to trust Menalque and skitter on you, and I have been historically bad at reading you, but I think peta is town and you and Menalque both townread each other, so either I'm wrong about peta, or one of you is wrong about the other, or you're both scum. That's the conflict that's happening in MY head.
Not really seeing how that’s the case palIn post 4000, Something_Smart wrote:This is a dumb argument and you know that.In post 3992, Menalque wrote:Peta, simple question: would you feel worse losing to scum!me or to scum!smart?
Which oneIn post 3998, Menalque wrote:What do you think about him not answering my question?
In post 3981, Menalque wrote:In post 3965, Menalque wrote:Like how do I make over 400 posts here defneind myself as scum instead of getting my team to bus the shit out of me? Because if I /do/ successfully defend myself, I’m going down tomorrow, right? Like, look at how much pressure is on me, the only thing that buys scum!me another day is a scumflip
Getting my partners to defend me would be suicide for the scumteam overall because they’d go down after their connections to me once I went down tomorrow. So, I’m only scum here if I’m hard bussing and the effort is to make me look really good. In which case, I have to have persuaded pretty much half the town to NOT vote me here even as scum are ACTIVELY SUPPORTING my death, and I’m good, but I’m not convinced I’m that good
So yeah, unless you think I’m scum with exactly Dave + one of the other people I pressured and who voted me or is leaning me, you need to explain why I suicide the scumteam and lose? Ego isn’t a good enough reason because I will demonstrably make pragmatic sacrifices to win the game even if I don’t /like/ doing themIn post 3966, Menalque wrote:If S_S wants to explain that he thinks that and how he can reasonably think that while knowing me, I might reconsider
But right now I think he’s just scum for backing my exe here
In post 3982, Menalque wrote:Explain how town you ever makes your vote on me in light of all this?
In post 3983, Menalque wrote:ESPECIALLY after secrets of the anuket topaz
Which question? Normally I’m not a big fan of “why would I do this as scum” arguments, because they’re wine and because I may just be lacking the imagination/information to see why a play would be correct.In post 3998, Menalque wrote:What do you think about him not answering my question?In post 3995, Infinity 324 wrote:I think he’s town
I mean the goal of the game is to win, not to avoid feeling bad.In post 4002, Menalque wrote:Not really seeing how that’s the case pal
In post 3985, Menalque wrote:S_S, look me in the eye and tell me my alignment is different to what it was in this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83553
Specifically, the last sentence. Idk what it was but it felt very genuine in a “yeah I could see you as town but I’m in a tough position” sense.In post 4001, Menalque wrote:I don’t particularly see what’s towny abut this
Why would he not just lean towards one of us being scum and being wrong on the other?
Yeah, correct, the aim of the goal is to win. In the case where it’s a toss up between two options, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to use other motivations to make your mind up, and for me one of those is “I think I’ve played a much more exciting and energetic game than you” so if you feel bad when you fail to beat the ~easy~ player and feel okay about it if you feel you just got outplayed, why should I point out that I think peta should vote you if he’s genuinely unsure who is scum to make himself feel better?In post 4006, Something_Smart wrote:I mean the goal of the game is to win, not to avoid feeling bad.In post 4002, Menalque wrote:Not really seeing how that’s the case pal
You're trying to argue that because I have a minimalist playstyle I'm somehow less deserving of winning.
But I’m saying, think about it for yourself? The argument I’m making? Is it wrong? What information could you reasonably be missing that would make it wrong?In post 4005, Infinity 324 wrote:Which question? Normally I’m not a big fan of “why would I do this as scum” arguments, because they’re wine and because I may just be lacking the imagination/information to see why a play would be correct.In post 3998, Menalque wrote:What do you think about him not answering my question?In post 3995, Infinity 324 wrote:I think he’s town
Bruh that looks a lot like him just mirroring your language back at you to try and form /develop anconnectionIn post 4008, Infinity 324 wrote:Specifically, the last sentence. Idk what it was but it felt very genuine in a “yeah I could see you as town but I’m in a tough position” sense.In post 4001, Menalque wrote:I don’t particularly see what’s towny abut this
Why would he not just lean towards one of us being scum and being wrong on the other?
I don't know where you got the idea in your head that I'm confident on thisIn post 4007, Menalque wrote:In post 3985, Menalque wrote:S_S, look me in the eye and tell me my alignment is different to what it was in this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83553
When I get home I’ll think about it. I specifically am having a difficult time getting into a scum mindset though, I don’t have any completed scum games in a while.In post 4010, Menalque wrote:But I’m saying, think about it for yourself? The argument I’m making? Is it wrong? What information could you reasonably be missing that would make it wrong?In post 4005, Infinity 324 wrote:Which question? Normally I’m not a big fan of “why would I do this as scum” arguments, because they’re wine and because I may just be lacking the imagination/information to see why a play would be correct.In post 3998, Menalque wrote:What do you think about him not answering my question?In post 3995, Infinity 324 wrote:I think he’s town
In post 4014, Something_Smart wrote:I don't know where you got the idea in your head that I'm confident on thisIn post 4007, Menalque wrote:In post 3985, Menalque wrote:S_S, look me in the eye and tell me my alignment is different to what it was in this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83553
In post 4004, Menalque wrote:In post 3981, Menalque wrote:In post 3965, Menalque wrote:Like how do I make over 400 posts here defneind myself as scum instead of getting my team to bus the shit out of me? Because if I /do/ successfully defend myself, I’m going down tomorrow, right? Like, look at how much pressure is on me, the only thing that buys scum!me another day is a scumflip
Getting my partners to defend me would be suicide for the scumteam overall because they’d go down after their connections to me once I went down tomorrow. So, I’m only scum here if I’m hard bussing and the effort is to make me look really good. In which case, I have to have persuaded pretty much half the town to NOT vote me here even as scum are ACTIVELY SUPPORTING my death, and I’m good, but I’m not convinced I’m that good
So yeah, unless you think I’m scum with exactly Dave + one of the other people I pressured and who voted me or is leaning me, you need to explain why I suicide the scumteam and lose? Ego isn’t a good enough reason because I will demonstrably make pragmatic sacrifices to win the game even if I don’t /like/ doing themIn post 3966, Menalque wrote:If S_S wants to explain that he thinks that and how he can reasonably think that while knowing me, I might reconsider
But right now I think he’s just scum for backing my exe hereIn post 3982, Menalque wrote:Explain how town you ever makes your vote on me in light of all this?In post 3983, Menalque wrote:ESPECIALLY after secrets of the anuket topaz
They are not mutually exclusive; also, if the wagon on you went super fast, bussing would be expected.[/quote]In post 3965, Menalque wrote:Like how do I make over 400 posts here defneind myself as scum instead of getting my team to bus the shit out of me?
Maybe, but getting rid of peta first is a pretty huge boost to your team.Because if I /do/ successfully defend myself, I’m going down tomorrow, right? Like, look at how much pressure is on me, the only thing that buys scum!me another day is a scumflip
Not necessarily, because there will be other people who didn't defend you, and they can switch over if your execution looks inevitable, and they can make the WIFOM argument that they wouldn't be so obvious.Getting my partners to defend me would be suicide for the scumteam overall because they’d go down after their connections to me once I went down tomorrow.
I mean it could be one on you and one off, which you seem to have completely ignored... and even if it is two on, people have a tendency to listen to the loudest voice so it wouldn't exactly shock me if peta's whole wagon is town.So, I’m only scum here if I’m hard bussing and the effort is to make me look really good. In which case, I have to have persuaded pretty much half the town to NOT vote me here even as scum are ACTIVELY SUPPORTING my death, and I’m good, but I’m not convinced I’m that good
Because it's not as clear-cut as you make it out to be, and you may well have judged that getting peta exed today is worth one or both of your buddies tying themselves to you because they still have mis-executions available to them.So yeah, unless you think I’m scum with exactly Dave + one of the other people I pressured and who voted me or is leaning me, you need to explain why I suicide the scumteam and lose? Ego isn’t a good enough reason because I will demonstrably make pragmatic sacrifices to win the game even if I don’t /like/ doing them