In post 4023, Dwlee99 wrote:I listed 6 nice ways my interactions make no sense if I'm scum and that is the post from me you ignored.
Anya was getting blocked yeah? So their Claim was never going to check out. That created enough paranoia that the Town turned against the slot. Defending the slot, only to then vote it later, isn’t as strong as you think it is as a defense.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:06 am
by Andresvmb
Whatever frankly I would have to re-read this game to really make up my mind and I don’t have the time.
So like I said, I am going to sheep players I’m fairly certain are never Scum. If I’m around long enough where this game actually depends on me, I’ll do a deep dive. In the mean time, I don’t think I have to.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:08 am
by Dwlee99
The thing that turned the paranoia was the PT cop claim, with which fake claiming being a neighbor looks awful with an informed flip.
Also this is a total understatement. I was literally pleading to not kill Anya.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:12 am
by Andresvmb
In post 4027, Dwlee99 wrote:The thing that turned the paranoia was the PT cop claim, with which fake claiming being a neighbor looks awful with an informed flip.
I was arguing (as was petapan) from WAY early in the game that by play Anya didn’t make sense as Scum. When push came to shove, I didn’t think it was a good idea and didn’t vote there. Despite whatever you said though, you voted there over Titus. Even though you aggressively defended Anya the day prior. I just don’t see why that makes you Town that’s all. I have also had pings from your slot all game. There’s just something that’s bothering me. But I can’t possibly claim to have read carefully, or even to have analyzed all of the interactions. I’ve read long chunks of the game at different times.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:13 am
by Andresvmb
So yeah I can obviously be wrong. I don’t think anyone should trust my judgment here necessarily. But maybe someone else sees what im writing and goes yeah well this is right this isn’t, no you’re wrong no way here’s why, and we achieve clarity.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:14 am
by Andresvmb
Most likely, there’s 1 Scum left. I think the Scum have almost certainly lost this by POE. So I really don’t see a rush to execute Chaos and go into the night.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:34 am
by Dwlee99
I can understand stuff bothering you because I've been wrong but also do literally any reading of me/vax/Osuka/Titus.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:37 am
by Andresvmb
In post 4032, Dwlee99 wrote:I can understand stuff bothering you because I've been wrong but also do literally any reading of me/vax/Osuka/Titus.
You defended Titus early. And nom3. Your takes have gotten better as the game has progressed. But to me, that’s just Scum that sees game flow and understand flips will happen, and distancing moves need to be made.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:39 am
by Dwlee99
Once again: there is zero reason for me to stick my neck out there, stop the Anya wagon, and then randomly pick a scum buddy out of a PoE to kill. And your point that I defended nom isn't really correct when I voted him when VFP said me or him.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:42 am
by Andresvmb
For example 822 for Titus or your repeated defenses of nom3 including around 422 or 867. I just have a feeling that you need to be put under a microscope for your early play.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:42 am
by Andresvmb
I’ve already explained why defending Anya isn’t as strong as you think.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:43 am
by Andresvmb
And you DID defend nom3. Don’t try and wiggle out of that one, you won’t succeed.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:44 am
by Dwlee99
I did defend him but ended up on his wagon later and I don't think I expressed a townread there after that.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:46 am
by Dwlee99
And again, I'm allowed to be wrong on things. DGB screamed for three days to kill Anya and hard townread nom.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:47 am
by Dwlee99
In post 70, Titus wrote:@peta/Nero, I largely feel Dwlee was scum that didn't know how to react as well. It almost feels like Dwlee is going to rely on a claim to get him through given the strong playerlist.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:49 am
by Andresvmb
I can absolutely admit I put a post out there that demanded nom3 be treated as Town and that anyone voting there was Scum. But what Partner realistically does that? It’s just dumb. But you could call me Scum for it and I wouldn’t be all that offended - I’m a bit horrified by that post still. It’s just that defending players and then voting for them when the winds change is just standard procedure for Scum. Early voters in some of those wagons are more difficult to argue are Scum. But having votes out there for your buddies is key if you want to muddy the waters.
Scum aren’t just going to have defended all of their buddies, and attack only Town in a game this large. You can’t because you should expect one of your buddies at least to flip. So that tends not to happen. But those early takes? Yeah, those are pretty revealing to me.
Anyway, why is Chaos Scum? Did you explain that already? Maybe that helps me.
As I see it he's more than happy to push another wagon instead of pursuing the 1v1, either out of genuine interest for pushing rathe or because he's trying to go away from that 1v1, which scum!dw would be happy to do in that position
In post 433, nomnomnom wrote:The moment I implied Dw could be scum I have two players jumping at my throat and discrediting one of my explanations for it
Hmmmm
Intriguing
If you think I got nothing out of that whole thing you are mistaken, I am getting more and more by the second
In post 435, nomnomnom wrote:Another funny fact is that Nero now isn't the only person who goes with the ridiculous theory that not only peta is scum, but me suggesting alternate wagons is a deflection move because I am buddy with peta, now DW seems to also want to go with the theory now that I suggested his post progression is plausible from scum!him, that's just quite funny timing
In post 3971, Dwlee99 wrote:Everyone voting Titus did so despite the cleared town saying he wanted to kill Gamma first. Assuming Gamma is town (which feels likely given Titus saying we need to kill Gamma and the t3 kill) and the fact that it is unlikely scum bus their partner there when they are just lost if they do (cause PT cop + DotW = bad time for them) chaos makes sense as final scum.
They also kind of tried to bait me yesterday into voting Kyo when I posted 3888.
They also had an early post that almost looked way too correct which I know is weird but they had their bottom as T3/Titus/nom/vax and I think it comes across TMI.
In post 140, Titus wrote:I like osuka as town. His inconsistencies are unlikely to be scummy as scum would likely just pick one side or the other.
@T3, How is Rathe different?
my inconsistencies?
Just realized I forgot to answer this and now I can't remember what I was thinking.
maybe you should work on your inconsistencies
And clearly the Scum knew to distance from an early point in the game. Like let’s not pretend that nom3 saying negative things about you somewhat but really going after Nero Cain (and eventually voting there) should clear you.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:53 am
by ChaosOmega
Dwlee, do you think scum are not allowed to throw shade on each other? I don't understand how these early posts you're quoting are indicative of them trying to push a mislim on you.
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:54 am
by Andresvmb
Though it’s funny, Titus is calling osuka Town and osuka is not taking it entirely. I don’t know what the strategy was from Titus, but the amount of bad early takes were always going to sink them.
