I want nacho to join us before the lynch too. I remain extremely suspicious of the AD motivate.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:34 pm
by Nachomamma8
In post 4050, Kagami wrote:I want nacho to join us before the lynch too. I remain extremely suspicious of the AD motivate.
What do you think I should have done?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:47 pm
by Jaqen Hghar
In post 4046, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:My actions were not dubious, you're making wild illogical assumptions to justify your stupid reads that will obviously flip wrong.
bubba, we are all reading the same thing and it's pretty fucking obvious what Lush hydra wanted done. Our only defense right now is that a lot of people are claiming and we're trying to see if the pieces of the puzzle fit. Game slowed down because we stopped at a point where we can't seem to resolve anything.
From what I recall Muffin was tittering the bounds of an L-1 when I decided to give it some time for discussion (which I highly regret now). If I recall correctly as well your vote was in that early Muffin wagon so you read the exact same thing that Lush posted and came to the same conclusion that he and everyone else on that wagon did. After all the resolution everyone backed down because Muffin claimed tracker who tracked two targets that
definitely cannot refute the claim
who were also under no suspicion whatsoever. To track a somewhat inactive player who is a shaky read (Dramonic) and the claimed Oracle who partook in the counterwagon to lynch the first scum and was already pushing for the CoK wagon
before
the claim happened is just a save-ass claim.
A memory so fickle. A man joined the wagon as a means to prove GCBC and his connections as scum, sacrificing Muffin in the process; the wagon came to a dead halt and everyone broke for the trees. If a girl is going to tell it, tell it true.
In post 4050, Kagami wrote:I want nacho to join us before the lynch too. I remain extremely suspicious of the AD motivate.
What do you think I should have done?
Even holding on to it would be more valuable, no? I would have at least expected you to run it by GiF, AD was very clear that his role was 2-shot.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:51 pm
by Katarina LeBlanc
Are you being serious right now Jaqen.
Also Kagami I asked the ActionDan thing because I'm too lazy to see if Dan used it up during night 1 and if Motivator gave an extra charge.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:52 pm
by zMuffinMan
kat wrote:two targets that definitely cannot refute the claim
i can understand you maybe thinking this about my track on you, but considering i tracked dram prior to him claiming VT, this doesn't make sense.
kat wrote:who were also under no suspicion whatsoever
i don't care about general suspicion, i tracked people who i was suspicious of. also, regardless of my personal suspicions, i'm pretty sure this is wrong
kat wrote:To track a somewhat inactive player who is a shaky read (Dramonic)
dram wasn't inactive, he had 62 posts D1. he active lurked through D1 but he was far from inactive. nor was he a "shaky" read. also apart from the active lurking, his position on the varsoon wagon was part of the reason i thought he was suspicious
kat wrote:the claimed Oracle who partook in the counterwagon to lynch the first scum and was already pushing for the CoK wagon before the claim happened
first, you "partook" in the gaiden wagon as far as you were on it before it became a viable wagon and couldn't really jump off it after it did become viable. second, you were on the cok wagon again when it really wasn't a viable lynch and jumped off onto a wagon you had previously stated you weren't a fan of. you perfectly fit the model of distancing scum and your reason for jumping on the AD wagon made no sense whatsoever - it looked like opportunism.
also, really, why the fuck would i claim to have tracked you if i didn't actually track you?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:54 pm
by Sakura Hana
Now that Gundamn SEED is over, i have an excuse to not follow waynegg's reads.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:56 pm
by Kagami
@kat: I don't doubt that muffin is a tracker, nor that he tracked those two individuals. I think it's especially likely that he did indeed track dramonic. Scum-muffin had no reason to believe dramonic didn't go anywhere, so it would be very dangerous to falsify the track. It would be possible if dram and muffin were both scum, but that would be very dangerous for muffin, since he was in a position to likely be lynched at the time of the claim, and he would have implicated his partner if he didn't flip tracker. The scum-muffin argument relies on him being a scum tracker, imo.
p-edit: dan claims to be a 2-shot kill-cop. He said earlier that the phrasing of his motivate suggests that even if he had picked up the PM on time, he would not have gotten an additional investigation.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:57 pm
by Jaqen Hghar
In post 2590, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:Well the thing I added on the parentheses count right? If so a vigkill on Serene was possible.
Well, I think claims at this point are going by like water considering we lost our investigative role already and yeah.
Only issue I have is that vigi has limited shots and used it p!
Dubious is as dubious does.
In post 2612, Jaqen Hghar wrote:GCBC, do you find it odd, as a man does, that Kat should single out Serene the victim of a vigilante vile? Why not Kaze? Why not either/or? Oddly specific a man thinks.
Two deaths there were, with exacting circumstances, yet Kat singles out Serene as a vig (SK?) victim rather than that of scum. While both were bled in the same light. Dubious.
In post 4050, Kagami wrote:I want nacho to join us before the lynch too. I remain extremely suspicious of the AD motivate.
What do you think I should have done?
Even holding on to it would be more valuable, no? I would have at least expected you to run it by GiF, AD was very clear that his role was 2-shot.
I could hold onto it, but pretty much everyone seemed limited shot so I was worried that there would be nothing good I could motivate in the future.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:01 pm
by Nachomamma8
I'm mostly upset with Cabd at the moment for completely ignoring everything that I wanted to talk about with him.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:02 pm
by Nachomamma8
I mean I understand that he's frustrated about the game and all that jazz but the questions I asked him aren't really that hard to address. But instead all he directs at me is "Nacho, you need to step it up!". "Nacho, you can't read ffery and I anymore!".
In post 4050, Kagami wrote:I want nacho to join us before the lynch too. I remain extremely suspicious of the AD motivate.
What do you think I should have done?
Even holding on to it would be more valuable, no? I would have at least expected you to run it by GiF, AD was very clear that his role was 2-shot.
I could hold onto it, but pretty much everyone seemed limited shot so I was worried that there would be nothing good I could motivate in the future.
Who was limited shot?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:04 pm
by Cabd
I'm here, you're here; let's talk then; nacho.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:04 pm
by Nachomamma8
Varsoon, me, ActionDan, Serene, perhaps others that I forgot about...
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:05 pm
by Katarina LeBlanc
Wait didn't MC visit Dramonic last night and
not
get a result? So is that the possibility of some kind of cop that investigates whether or not a person is a PR considering Dram claimed VT.
Flavor cop is starting to look inconsistent.
P-edit: But I'm starting to believe the red herring Ninja that GCBC posed because his tracks were safe and undeniable. I have no action to cc his track with and Dramonic is VT.
P-edit Jaqen: I'm town, get hit by a car. Thank you.
P-edit Nacho: I was afraid of everyone being limited shot as well, one of my theories early on in the game.
P-edit Kagami: Majority of the claims including me, also can you please explain your role for me.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:05 pm
by Nachomamma8
In post 4064, Cabd wrote:I'm here, you're here; let's talk then; nacho.
Why did you make such a big deal out of the Amaranth hydra situation? What alignment-relevant information did you have there?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:08 pm
by Kagami
Technically bubba and kat too. Just checking. Still makes little sense to me...
p-edit kat: Macho Jailkeeper, but instead of simply protecting from night-kills, I completely rolestop the target.
In post 4056, Sakura Hana wrote:Now that Gundamn SEED is over, i have an excuse to not follow waynegg's reads.
Of course. A man wouldn't follow that one's reads either. He missed one scum out of 5, including the SK (after previously having that one as scum before dropping it). He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about...
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:12 pm
by zMuffinMan
literally just going to ignore kat if she keeps pushing the "dram was VT and a safe track target" angle
@kagami
i made a similar assumption to nacho so i don't see your issue with nacho's thinking
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:13 pm
by Kagami
I would never use a motivate shot that I knew to be useless, so why should I think you would?
p-edit: I'm a little mystified by that, it was one of the first things that occurred to me (I think I mentioned that too)
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:16 pm
by Nachomamma8
HEY CABD THANKS FOR RESPONDING QUICKLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:17 pm
by Nachomamma8
In post 4072, Kagami wrote:I would never use a motivate shot that I knew to be useless, so why should I think you would?
p-edit: I'm a little mystified by that, it was one of the first things that occurred to me (I think I mentioned that too)
I didn't expect it to be useless.
Why do you think I would claim to motivate Dan instead of someone like Lush again?