A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Friendless Seniors]

get someone to hammer us then

we're pretty blatant town

[Friendless Seniors]

hey itle, when I'm dead and my reads are right

look forward to me screaming at u in the deadthread

[podoboq]

This

is

their

buddy

If I keep pushing

that

, people gonna lynch me

Define "this", "their", and "that". Who are these people?

this u
their pipes
that pipes

That's what I thought, I just didn't want to move forward under that assumption without you clarifying.

I'll start with this: TPP is only slightly suspicious because of her implied reads. We have, like, three actual claimed PRs. Just give us your damn information and let us move on with it, or don't soft so that you aren't a target. We might have a solved game.

The only reason I can think to vote anywhere other than FS is on TPP because I want her to just say what she is and what she knows, and a vote is the only way I can think to put that pressure on.

Why would I suggest wagonning my buddy, forcing them into a corner, and forcing them to claim their information, if I'm scum? Scum wants to conceal towns information. I might be new to forum mafia, but I know enough about social deception games to know that the scum team thrives when nobody shares their information. It puts them in a position where town isn't cooperating, and scum isn't expected to provide anything either.

[Friendless Seniors]

not really interested in interacting with anyone who's posted. i don't think it will be productive.
just waiting for marquis to get back to me, really.

-EP

[itlepip]

Make a readlist then because from what I've seen you are reading everyone as either alignment depending so...

[Friendless Seniors]

huh

scum want to know who has the power

[Friendless Seniors]

VOTE: flubber

I was wrong. Sorry. I get aggrevated by players like you pushing me

[Friendless Seniors]

Make a readlist then because from what I've seen you are reading everyone as either alignment depending so...

bullshit.

if anything you can convict me for being too rigid

[Friendless Seniors]

(That was to podo. I don't think you're scum. I got mad. I hate stuff like this.)

[itlepip]

Make it then. If I like it a lot I might move back to mir or axel.

[podoboq]

Ignoring the FS garbage for a minute so I can discuss other things that have happened.

Marquis is obv town, and if I'm wrong, I'll basically just personally concede this game now. Nothing except confirmed town having PR confirmation on Marquis as scum will convince me that she is scum.

Marquis says dav and Mala (I think?) are town......so, that plus pistachion, we have four conf town.

I'm inclined to believe True Ogre's claim, flavorpolice, right? So Ogre, you should have checked more than one person by now, right? Tell us some more flavor so we can just confirm you as town, and add you to the circle.

TPP has suggested a PR, something investigative, and I think they should just come forward with it, because then we'll have a circle of six. Depending on who people have actually checked, the circle gets even bigger. Seems like a good plan to me. Somebody point out the flaw here. Maybe in my skim, I missed something.

[hiplop]

town: Mirhawk, ogre, cakez, pogo, pistachion, itlepip, Friendless Seniors, Beeboy
{Skybird, cakez, dramonic}
Null: Sakura, axel, cakez
{marquis, Davesaz, cerb, ,The wrong lynch}
scum: pied piper, tictac

stand by these reads. I'm not convinced marquis is town, so the people he has copped are kinda fuzzy where to put them.

[Friendless Seniors]

town: Mirhawk, ogre, cakez, pogo, pistachion, itlepip, Friendless Seniors, Beeboy
{Skybird, cakez, dramonic}
Null: Sakura, axel, cakez
{marquis, Davesaz, cerb, ,The wrong lynch}
scum: pied piper, tictac

stand by these reads. I'm not convinced marquis is town, so the people he has copped are kinda fuzzy where to put them.

[podoboq]

Thinking on True Ogre's role right now; is mafia flavor cop plausible? If so, obviously can't include in a conf town circle. Still want anymore results you've received. If you say I'm from The Producers, for example, and I'm not, then we know it's bs. Rereading ISO now to see if there was something I missed.

[Friendless Seniors]

town: ogre, cakez, pogo, pistachion, itlepip, Friendless Seniors, , marquis Davesaz The wrong lynch
{cakez, dramonic, dwlee, Mirhawk}
Null: axel
{cerb, itlepip}
scum: pied piper, tictac

reformed just now

pedit: yea mafia flavor cop possible

[podoboq]

Also, thought: The vast majority of players seems to be townreading me very highly. That majority has to include scum somewhere. What are the chances that scum are treating me like town because they assume the new guy isn't smart enough to figure out they're scum, so I'm a town liability going forward?

I don't know if that's useful for anything, but it crossed my mind, and thought I should point it out. Am I actually just that easy to read as town, or are scum invested in me being townread so that I survive to the late game? Something to think about. Someone more experience than me figure out what that means.

[Friendless Seniors]

definitely useful

see: Plotinus saying you're not smart enough because you're a newbie

Do you think newbiescum podoboq would admit that he's coasting when someone called him out on it? Isn't that a bit brave and honest for a newbie?

its a trash way to discredit you so come lylo/later on you can be eventually mislynched

[Friendless Seniors]

"definitely possible"

not useful

[The Pied Piper]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's unusual for newer players to own up to scummy behaviours bravely with an attitude like "yeah that's what i'm doing but i'm town so what." I'm not saying he's stupid, I'm saying that if he's scum, he's a lot braver than most newer players in their first few scum games.

[podoboq]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's unusual for newer players to own up to scummy behaviours bravely with an attitude like "yeah that's what i'm doing but i'm town so what." I'm not saying he's stupid, I'm saying that if he's scum, he's a lot braver than most newer players in their first few scum games.

I was building this post, then TPP posted it for me.

[podoboq]

I'm saying that maybe scummy players are people who are invested in reading me as town.

Cakez has pushed off suspicion on me, rightfully so, when it's been potentially advantageous for scum to keep me around. I think that makes him town.

[The Pied Piper]

I'd expect scum to respond to accusations of coasting with "I'm not coasting I was busy and hey those other people are coasting too" not "yeah i've been coasting because i'm busy but i'll do stuff soon because i have time now"

[podoboq]

I'd expect scum to respond to accusations of coasting with "I'm not coasting I was busy and hey those other people are coasting too" not "yeah i've been coasting because i'm busy but i'll do stuff soon because i have time now"

I read the former as scummy. Town shouldn't be overly defensive. It's part of the reason I've suspected FS most of the game. They're incredibly defensive, and as town, I'm not heavily invested in being townread. Your win condition isn't survival.

[Friendless Seniors]

when no one has any idea who scum is and town is largely off base, yes, I care deeply about survival.

[Friendless Seniors]

source: a top townread "suspecting [me] most of the game"