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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:30 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Yes it didn't happen - but my point is that I tried to move it in that direction - specifically I defend dsjtr with the following logic:
Town-Dsjtr was a low hanging fruit lynch. (he turned out to be)
I literally said "I think he's low hanging fruit" and "I don't think scum-dsjtr has the deception level needed to offer himself up as a lynch" because dsjtr felt like a noob player to me - I then re-read literally like all his games from this year and datamined them for posting patterns and re-iterated my opinion that scum-dsjtr does not make the "offer myself as a lynch" play because he's not that sophisticated of a player and his play in previous games do not show that level of deception as scum.
There is no reason for scum-Pooky to make these points and offer himself up to be lynched instead - that's literally trying to get rid of a mis-elim for scum to set myself up as the lynch instead ? Like that makes 0 sense strategically for scum Pooky.
Yes you guys did not listen to me - but when I made these posts - I couldn't have KNOWN that you would decide to not listen to me. What if you guys had listened to me and said hey Pooky makes a good point, dsjtr is too noob to make the lynch-offer gambit- and decided to lynch Pooky instead of dsjtr? That would really screw Pooky-scum over hard - confirm tw as town and you guys might even not lynch dsj today if you think Pooky's play clears him.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:31 am
by Raven Branwen
I don’t know how dsjtr doesn’t get executed in any case because if it literally weren’t for PoE, I could see both you and duckling as TPRs specifically because of mfd mechanic but because of PoE and since it makes 0 sense for there to be a tw/Pooky scumteam, only one of you can be telling the truth but it’s less clear to me than SS/Dats. Dats is so super townie so I’m worried if we execute one of tw/you and get it wrong, we autolose.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:31 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
you can say this of literally any scum - it doesn't make much sense for skitter to be killed over lilith except that skitter death leads to tw lynch.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:32 am
by Something_Smart
There's no good reason for town-Pooky to do it either and yet here we are. So we're kind of forced to believe you did it for a bad reason.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:33 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i literally explained the reason for me to do it as town yesterday
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:34 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 3475, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ggest fear rn is we lynch dsj, he flips green then i get speedlynched in lylo for the easy win. I think if you flip me today you remove the lylo speedlynch threat and also have a better shot tommorrow.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:35 am
by Raven Branwen
Because Lillith was a confirmed townie who was never going to be executed. But let me ask you this? Why would I kill Lillith > Skitter who was practically deathtunelling me at the time if I knew she softed PR? See, your argument doesn’t make sense if I’m scum here.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:36 am
by Datisi
In post 4050, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Yes you guys did not listen to me - but when I made these posts - I couldn't have KNOWN that you would decide to not listen to me.
because acum never bluffs in any way shape or form... especially if your partner was haed pushing for dsjstr...
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:37 am
by Something_Smart
Yeah but it's not a GOOD reason. It's just as likely, if not more, for a speed execution to occur if we leave the guy literally everyone scumreads alive till lylo.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:38 am
by Something_Smart
In post 4056, Raven Branwen wrote:Why would I kill Lillith > Skitter who was practically deathtunelling me at the time if I knew she softed PR?
Did you know she softed PR?
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:39 am
by Raven Branwen
I legit wish this was a serious option. Only half kidding. Srysly, how is this game not totally scumsided?
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:39 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
when I offered myself up to be lynched instead of dsj - I thought dsj would be a LHF mislynch and I also thought I would be a liability at lylo - me getting lynched instead of him helps avoid both those scenarios - it also gets datisi to move his head out of his death-tunnel as well as casts doubt on TW's PR.
that's why it makes sense for me to offer myself as a lynch on the day before lylo because the info game off me flipping green was a lot higher than dsj flipping green.
it makes no sense for me to offer self-lynch if I'm flipping red.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:41 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 4057, Datisi wrote: In post 4050, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Yes you guys did not listen to me - but when I made these posts - I couldn't have KNOWN that you would decide to not listen to me.
because acum never bluffs in any way shape or form... especially if your partner was haed pushing for dsjstr...
it's not a bluff because I have no idea how you guys would react to it.
the crux of my case was that dsjtr as scum does not have the sophistication or deception necesary to offer himself up as a lynch.
I then cite all his past games.
Skitter read those games and came up with the belief that DSJ replacing out is a fatalism thing that he's doing this time by offering to die. She just as easily could've read those games and said "hmm pooky's right, dsj is not a very smart or clever player as scum and is unlikely to do a self-lynch gambit"
There is NO WAY I would know how skitter would react to my case before I posted it.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:42 am
by Something_Smart
But dsjstr would not be a liability in lylo?
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:42 am
by Datisi
In post 4060, Raven Branwen wrote:
I legit wish this was a serious option. Only half kidding. Srysly, how is this game not totally scumsided?
idk. bodayguard + friendly neighbour + two named townies + MFD goon (which turns out ~neutral for scum overall) makes a lot of sense to me as a setup.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:43 am
by Something_Smart
I've never seen an offer for self-execution that wasn't mechanical be taken seriously. Have you?
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:44 am
by Datisi
the only time i've seen a "lynch me i don't wanna do lylo if you'll just lynch me then" was from scum. who i called out on their bullshit. and then they killed me and town ignored my read and oooooh i'm still salty but anyway
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:48 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 2726, skitter30 wrote: In post 2718, Something_Smart wrote:skitter if your role is not capable of confirming you tomorrow, now might be a good time to say so.
well, it should be overnight
and to at least some people
can't guarantee that scum won't interfere but i'll do my part
It looked like she was softing town neighbour from this but not an FN.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:48 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
you dont think I was serious when i offered to get lynched?
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:50 am
by Raven Branwen
Another thing, why does scum!me not make an effort to save him after he townlocked me?
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:51 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 3488, dsjstr wrote:I can tell you for a fact that anytime I have interacted with people like Raven when I am town they turn out to be town. That is my strongest read, unfortunately I became irrational when thinking that I was going to end up ruining the game for town.
In post 3701, dsjstr wrote: In post 3695, skitter30 wrote:I dont get why that post was so bad that you changed your read
Dsjstr any last words?
Pooky is probably my dying scumread
The stuff about raven were my final words
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:52 am
by Datisi
hmm... gee, i wonder...
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:53 am
by Something_Smart
Ostensibly because it would get your partner Pooky killed instead.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:55 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
since I'm getting nowhere with the Pooky wouldn't offered to get lynched defense with you guys, let's try associatives.
Let's assume for the sake of argument Pooky is scum here.
Who is Pooky's scum partner? Let's look at all the possibilities:
Skitter - Nah she's marked for death
Something_Smart - Koba put Pooky at L-1, SS asked mod a question that confirmed Pooky was lying about his role, Pooky is pushing SS as the lynch.
The_Worst - This would mean there is only 1 TPR in the game...
Raven - Bugspray interaction with Pooky on D1 was: Pooky nearly hammered by Bugspray accidentally, Bugspray putting Pooky at L-1 for a prolonged period of time, Pooky getting reamed by Datisi for voting Bugspray.
Datisi - LOLOLOLOLOLOL
So which of these players is supposed to be my scumpartner?
hint: I don't have a scumpartner I'm town.
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:57 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
if you guys listened to me and believed me when I said dsj can't be scum because scum-dsj isn't clever or deceptive enough to pull a lynch-me gambit - then obviously dsj wouldn't be a liability in lylo since you guys believe me that he is town