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[Hench Princesses]

It has to do with potential reasons he's not playing the other thread, and I don't want to make it clear to him that I townlean him for it, because if I'm right he's being a dick and he should start playing

-E

[Spiffeh]

Hey Hench Princesses when did A50 become such a confident town read for you?

Because you seemed fine with turnstiling him today and I don't recall him ever being above null on either heads' readslists before?

[Hench Princesses]

To be clear, Hench, are you saying this thread's elim should pretty much always be skitter?

After you lot flipped boon how the fuck am I supposed to interpret this question?

I wouldn't pretend my lim pick for your thread will be taken seriously. I'd probably do LLD if only because I feel almost incapable of reading one of her posts without seeing scum and/or finding no way to understand her perspective as town. She's probably too strong of a player to seem so wrong about so much so aggressively.

I talk about skitter more because I've gone back and forth on her so much

-E

[Hench Princesses]

Hey Hench Princesses when did A50 become such a confident town read for you?

Because you seemed fine with turnstiling him today and I don't recall him ever being above null on either heads' readslists before?

when he constructed a readslist out of annie and brian's

I don't think that level of 'a50 logic' is in his scumrange

-E

[Spiffeh]

So he skyrockets to the top of your reads list just for that?

I have done complete 180s on reads before but that doesn't make sense to me

[Hench Princesses]

Because you seemed fine with turnstiling him today and I don't recall him ever being above null on either heads' readslists before?

I actually had him as gut town on day 1 but he wasn't playing the game and he lacked the pizazz and a50-logic necessary to find him town on d2 before today. I literally gave him day 1 and like, half a week of this dayphase to do anything AI and readable. I was okay with turnstiling him because I didn't want him to become a de facto lynch if anything and because I couldn't really sell a townread of him when he had no content. If anything the turnstile still helped since it seems like he's opening up more in the other thread now and seems way more readable, although obvious turnstiling out scum would have been better.

-E

[Spiffeh]

I am concerned that this townread on A50 is materializing AFTER we've already turnstiled him to the other thread, which both heads were perfectly fine with at the time

If you were townreading A50 why didn't you feel the need try to turnstile someone else?

[Hench Princesses]

So he skyrockets to the top of your reads list just for that?

I have done complete 180s on reads before but that doesn't make sense to me

the 'not scum' category is not ordered because none of them are scum, I don't have varying degrees of high town in that thread

actually I vibed with boon on him being gut town, I just couldn't sell him as town here in a logical manner. I think you've forgotten my progression on that slot. I certainly was not clamoring for his turnstile either; Scorpia was for it, and I didn't really have a better alternative at that point.

-E

[Hench Princesses]

I am concerned that this townread on A50 is materializing AFTER we've already turnstiled him to the other thread, which both heads were perfectly fine with at the time

If you were townreading A50 why didn't you feel the need try to turnstile someone else?

I wasn't 'townreading' A50, I had him as gut town early d1, but when he continued to just do nothing he dropped down to null, which is where he was in my eod1 wall. When he continued to do nothing on d2 I had to consider the possibility he was potatoing as scum which he does sometimes do.

I could have stalled to wait for him to do something readable as town that I could towncase him for, but once he saw he was going to get turnstiled he kinda stopped doing readable things in this thread.

I'm re-evaluating A50 now based on things he's done in the other thread that are more readable. I had no read of Uncrowned d1 until Boon replaced in. When Boon did things that were readable as town, I masoned him 5 posts. I need to see someone as town in a clear enough manner to form a read of them and I didn't get that from A50 until literally like a couple hours ago or something.

-E

[Spiffeh]

@Deacon HP has had A50 as a null-or-lower read for p. much the whole game so I find it jarring and the timing a little convenient that he is now at the top of the "not scum" list

Skimming through their ISO I buy that the 'E' head of HP didn't really have A50 as a scum read and I find it more believable that this head could come to this conclusion

Maybe I'm too reactive to anyone reading A50 as town

[Dunnstral]

I find it odd that I've both called a50 town and been engaged in cryptid talk, but people somehow keep missing me when naming names

[Spiffeh]

@Deacon HP has had A50 as a null-or-lower read for p. much the whole game so I find it jarring and the timing a little convenient that he is now at the top of the "not scum" list

To be clear the timing is convenient because it occurs after the A50 is already turnstiled, and HP being a proponent of the remove-scum-in-Forwards plan I feel would not be so quick to turnstile a slot who has now turned into a confident town read

[Spiffeh]

I find it odd that I've both called a50 town and been engaged in cryptid talk, but people somehow keep missing me when naming names

Your replacement into this game is like my replacement into Xenoblade 2 except opposite alignments

That is the degree in which unwnd obvtowned for you

[Hench Princesses]

To be clear the timing is convenient because it occurs after the A50 is already turnstiled, and HP being a proponent of the remove-scum-in-Forwards plan I feel would not be so quick to turnstile a slot who has now turned into a confident town read

I actually get why this bothers you. But the appeals of putting the brakes on the turnstile there just weren't there. Like, my thought was, if a50 is town, I will get a50 town day 2. And I did. It just took several rl days longer than I was planning. I am not a time traveler and did not know he would start playing the other thread in a way he never played this thread. As the turnstile ramped up, you were really into it and sometimes your reads aren't bad, everyone else looked also town but even more town than A50 was likely to be at the rate he was going, and muffin made it clear that he'd rather be a flip than a turnstile. I think GX was townier than either of them at the time of the turnstile. Who was I supposed to propose instead?

But actually getting a50 town and wine town is basically why I made that list. Like, you think my 180s are political moves now that the turnstile is through, but *amending those reads* based on thoughts I've had in the last 12 hours is why I made that list. I finally have four town in that thread so I don't feel so lost there anymore, which does make the amount of really hostile TvT more apparent.

Also makes slots like LLD that seem to have been advancing a scum agenda literally all game way more clear to me. What do you think of her? How many of her reads can you *get*?

-E

[Hench Princesses]

Wine, I actually second-guessed my earlier omgus after ceph's QQ, but not enough so that I felt like commenting on it (instead I just never further commented on a scumread further). As I said earlier, I've been thinking Ceph doesn't look as political as he usually does as scum. But I think your 5218 in the other thread looked like overzealous town rather than a scum mastermind and I'm pretty sure that's a good read everything considered.

-E

[Dunnstral]

Is Pooky enough of a consensus that you guys are just waiting for our side of things to come to a conclusion?

[Dunnstral]

That's at the inverse thread

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: Pisskop relevant posting

Excited.

oh boy. Yea lets just powerlynch something and move on. Narrow down our suspect pool before we sort everyone.

Sounds good Pisskop can we start with you.

you could.

but then i wouldnt be in the game anymore. Thus i must object. You need me, you see.

P: ummm idk. Id agree to no thread-swapping, but Im not so sure its in the spirit of the game. We might have some kind of hidden mechanic, and most likely scum can somehow influence the swaps or even make their own somehow.

Skitter needs to be yeeted. I'm only to post 201 but you should yeet him ASAP. The hyperfocus on yeeting Imperium is bad, particularly the early random shade. Most of her reads are shade. The townread on HP was unwarranted based on the their ISO at the time. Not sure if it's warranted now.

hmmmm this is good. A post by a person Ive known for years about a person I feel a connection with.

Flavor Leaf could be town.

bwahahahahaha

Flavor is honestly best dealt with by assuming they are town to begin with and then subtracting points for the things they do.

All you guys need to know is: I am town. I have utility.

ahhhh, well i did not know you ICed and i did not know i had to consent to be flipped.

sure i consent. one thread is as good as another.

vote: turnstyle piss

Thread 2 (Inverted)

boop

okay. merry 'mas

That's literally all Pisskop has done. We have "eliminated" scum in the forwards thread by turnstyling and eliminating. Two turnstyles means two opportunities to save scum from the elimination. We turnstyled Pooky and pisskop. Pooky's tried and got suspicion. Pisskop's been a bowl of lurky shit. His response to a prod is a prodge. That's inexcusable. Lim him.

Looking at Pisskop's posts, there's a major hint as to his partner. It's Brian Skies. He alludes to scum having a turnstyle mechanic because he already knows they have it.

Brian's role acts like a scum get out of jail free card. It can also act to disrupt another thread.

So I am strongly at Pisskop BS and Pooky all aligned.

The house of cards rests with Pisskop being scum. Flip him before Pooky.

We'll flip BS here first if I have a say.

VOTE: Brian Skies

the thing is that without extra turnstiles, you realize that almost all of town's power is unable to be used? and idk why scum would be given a power that's +town EV

[Gypyx]

My play probably hasn't been impressive today because I'm not actively scum reading anyone that's left over here

So I'm just going through the motions and as long as my super duper town reads don't become the likely lim for today I'm just gonna let things happen

who would your lower townread be then? and why aren't you pushing them

[Gypyx]

am i missing something because all i see is https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84773 where has has about the same ratio of posts to others as in this game

so

?

Yes, you're missing Silent Star 3: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84991
With 6 scum and 6 town alive, he almost got eliminated with every scum member voting for his counterwagon

we don't talk about that game lol

and muffin, all my meta is on my wiki

[SirCakez]

Elimination Votecount 2.8

Hench Princesses (3) - Annie Edison, Bell, Spiffeh
zMuffinMan (1) - Gypyx
Titus (1) - Brian Skies
Brian Skies (1) - Titus

Not voting (3) - Dunnstral, zMuffinMan, Hench Princesses

(expired on 2021-01-04 12:54:00) remain until day end

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Spiffeh is V/LA through Sunday.

[Gypyx]

wait what where does that hench wagon come from

[Hench Princesses]

idk, the ether? NS doesn't seem to really think I'm scum but hasn't moved his vote from when he sheeped Titus five minutes into the day

VOTE: the muffin man

I literally don't know where scorpia's vote went, I don't recall unvoting but *shrug*

[Bell]

Fyi, Driving brother back to san francisco.

Limited access for 2 days.

V/LA.

[Hench Princesses]

Its like i highly doubt i even try this hard as scum in a game this big, esp. being in this position in the gamestate for like 10 irl days. I would have lost motivation ages and ages ago

this seems very suspect and very scummy given the team mafia performance

-E