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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm
by Gamma Emerald
to demoralize town

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:23 pm
by Enchant
demoralize how?
We win anyway

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:31 pm
by Harley Quinn
In post 4072, Aristeia wrote:well it would take 4 days to elim all 4 VTs

we could do it in a day if we fast night every night or 8 days if we don't
I think you’re too focused on mech. We should be basing this more on play - highest scum equity to lowest. This way if we’re wrong on both Enchant or STD, this game won’t take forever.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:21 pm
by Ausuka
Ok I might have a better idea

Since I am guaranteed to survive the night, I will jailkeep randomly in [Save the Dragons, Titus]

Roden if scum has a 50% chance of being caught out and not knowing who I jailkept - since scum aren't multitasking.

This is a small upside since it's not a hard clear on Roden anyway, but there's no apparent downside to it

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:24 pm
by Ausuka
It might have been better play to just not say anything and jailkeep Titus but the world where a quickelim happens tomorrow before I get in the thread for some reason and STD coasts to a win haunts me

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:40 pm
by Enchant
In post 4078, Ausuka wrote:Ok I might have a better idea

Since I am guaranteed to survive the night, I will jailkeep randomly in [Save the Dragons, Titus]

Roden if scum has a 50% chance of being caught out and not knowing who I jailkept - since scum aren't multitasking.

This is a small upside since it's not a hard clear on Roden anyway, but there's no apparent downside to it
I don't see point in protecting like that.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:28 pm
by Ausuka
Roden can't kill and use voyeur at the same time

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:19 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 4081, Ausuka wrote:Roden can't kill and use voyeur at the same time
I looked back to when Roden claimed his results on Enchant. He claimed them after you claimed jk on Wallflower but he made it a point of saying that no one targeted Enchant. Had he wanted to save Wallflower, why say that? If Roden’s scum, he could say he cannot confirm results, couldn’t he? So by confirming no one visited Enchant, he guaranteed the mech guilty on Wallflower.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:22 am
by Ausuka
I mean yeah I think Roden is town anyway but I think it's good to have mechanical evidence supporting that

I know my plan doesn't do a lot, but it gives us something and loses us nothing as far as I can see


I mean if people want to start voting up the VTs I'm willing to hammer and fast night, I think this game is a win either way and I'm not sure what else to say

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:26 am
by Harley Quinn
HEM ISO I think spews both Dwlee and Titus as town.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:33 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 2986, Wallflower wrote:
In post 2982, Aristeia wrote:town should never pick bp over ascetic cop
What's the scum agenda though? I feel like Enchant can only be scum if scum with MathBlade.
In post 2992, Wallflower wrote:
In post 2987, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think atp we should just cut the massclaim now and avoid any further damage if it's this contentious
I think I'm with you on this, and I think Math is the way to go today
What do people make about this?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:48 am
by Ausuka
Seems lightly scum indicative for enchant I guess?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:09 am
by Save The Dragons
if you wanna kill me you can kill me if it's easier i think this game is pretty much won for town

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:20 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 1561, Wallflower wrote:Actually, you know what?

VOTE: Enchant

I don’t care about the numbers
In post 1585, Wallflower wrote:
In post 1571, Titus wrote:I do think it's best to avoid talking to Math atm until he's ready to listen about how he's affecting people and how his communication isn't working. He's just not willing to. I'm not going to engage his opinions on me, but if someone thinks he makes a particular point they'd want my input on, I'd be glad to answer.

I don't think Math will be better until Dwlee or I flip or are mech cleared, even if I reasses on Dwlee. Math's positions make me not want to though even though I don't have a strong read on Dwlee. I just feel he is town.

Also, given the fact we're getting a Math wagon together,, I find Wallflower's timing off. Enchant strategically isn't be best lim for day 1 because he's a certain power role. If he took vengeful (pretty much a scum claim) it will not change. If he took ascetic cop, he'll get a result unless scum kill him. The only exception is that if Enchant took a one shot vig. He'd use it N1 and would have next to no idea who to shoot. However, there's a risk any scum takes the one shot vig.
My thoughts might not make complete sense and maybe I have this pathological need to be DIFFERENT, but my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

When it comes to Enchant, it just feels… wrong to me that we have to let speculation about a role Enchant may or may not have take them off the table, especially when there’s no one else I actually could vote for right now and say “yeah that feels right to me”
In post 3979, Wallflower wrote:
In post 3969, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 3967, Wallflower wrote:I've said all along (well for the last couple of RL days) that roden, enchant and gamma are at a similar place in my reads. Not my top picks for scum but possible.

First I'm asked WHY IS ENCHANT A TOWNREAD???

Then I say the same thing as the first line that I said a while back

Then I'm asked WHY IS RODEN A SCUMREAD???

seriously
Yes because you still haven’t explained that at all.
On balance, I think Roden is probably town. He hasn’t pinged me in the same way Titus and implosion have, but I often realise that I don’t actually think much about Roden. He’s not at the front of my mind, and I don’t think the reasons for townreading him are that solid. So, while he’s still more likely town than scum, he’s not as much of a townread as others.

On balance, I think Enchant is probably town. There are things about how Enchant has played that I think are quite townie for them (for e.g. the way that they went about the BP claim), but I don’t feel confident in my ability to read Enchant, and with a lot of people thinking they are scum, I have to admit there’s a reasonable chance I’m wrong. Sure, deep down I suspect that I am right, but I can’t be as confident in that as people I townread more.
This could be possible scum distancing. Votes Enchant when he was clearly in no danger. Trs him when he is then votes him while suddenly doing a 180 about not wanting to be limmed. I don’t think Wallflower thought she had a chance at not dying. She likely realized it would look bad for Enchant if she didn’t make an effort.

I seriously doubt that she thought it would change anyone’s mind on her. I think it was done for wifom purposes.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:28 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 3863, Enchant wrote:
In post 3861, Harley Quinn wrote:I just don’t understand why scum wouldn’t have targeted Ari but fliiped scum!Wallflower doesn’t make these posts.
Or you are bad at game.
In post 3871, Enchant wrote:
In post 3869, Roden wrote:
In post 3860, Enchant wrote:
In post 3855, Harley Quinn wrote:Ari, Ausuka, Dwlee, Bella, Roden, Gamma all town. I’m very convinced of this. Titus, probably, Implosion maybe? STD who knows?

Who else is left other than Enchant?
You don't really want to see me walts with conftown status while bulletproof, do you?
You're not conftown, we've been saying you were going to get elim'd on Day 4 since the start of the game.

Who's scum?
I will turn after second scum die and i am jailkept while kill happens.
In post 3872, Enchant wrote:OH I DON'T KNOW WHO IS MAFIA.

MAYBE I VOTING THEM.

YOU KNOW. PERHAPS?
In post 3875, Enchant wrote:
In post 3874, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 3863, Enchant wrote:
In post 3861, Harley Quinn wrote:I just don’t understand why scum wouldn’t have targeted Ari but fliiped scum!Wallflower doesn’t make these posts.
Or you are bad at game.
Why does this post seem informed to me?
Because it's truth.
In post 3935, Enchant wrote:You literally played with me once before and it was my towngame where you was scum.

Stop lying pls.
In post 4053, Enchant wrote:
In post 4011, Gamma Emerald wrote:I would be down to clown if it got that far
Then why won't you selfvote?
I love these last two posts, almost as amusing as his Ari’s the devil but we won’t lim her > HEM because of anime. :lol:

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:31 am
by Datisi
prodding Titus.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:26 am
by Titus
I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.

I think we can just turbo lim the vts and keep jailing Enchant. Roden can verify the PRs are as they claim minus Roden.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:27 am
by Titus
*minus Implosion.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:43 am
by implosion
VOTE: Save The Dragons

I don't think it really matters who Ausuka JKs right now so long as it's one of the VTs or Enchant, if scum are NKing it won't matter and if they shoot then all that's important is we get some new clear.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:49 am
by Ausuka
I agree that it doesn't matter really. I think limiting it to a pool of two people and asking Roden to target in them is optimal to catch out scum Roden, but that's like a nerd 0.01% winrate thing to care about

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Fine with this too as long as we move forward from the stall some way or another.

jk pool is Titus or enchant

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:01 am
by Aristeia
I guess we're doing this

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:13 am
by Gamma Emerald
:/

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:17 am
by Roden
I'm fine with that plan. And tbh I didn't even realize that I helped mech guilt Wallflower there.

I still think it's just Enchant tbh, but if people want to vote STD just in case then fine.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:23 am
by Enchant
VOTE: STD

boink

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:56 am
by Datisi
beep