Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Yume]

Have you even played with mastina, ever? I doubt it, so shut up!

[unwnd]

Uh yeah I've played with her before

What a confusing outburst

[mastina]

Mainly Mastina v unwd+FB (maybe?) really seems SvS.

Well that means you have a guaranteed scum elimination by voting out one of unwnd/Firebringer, now, doesn't it?

Tell me,

MathBlade:

iso Firebringer please.
What do you see in that iso?

You've said you think me vs them is SvS, which implies you think Firebringer is scum.

But I am asking you to iso Firebringer specifically and to see just

how

scum he is.

Do you think Firebringer's iso is in any way shape or form town?

If the answer is 'no', then let me remind you:
A scum elimination is a scum elimination.
With no scum dead, it doesn't matter which scum is eliminated. Scum dead is scum dead.
If you think Firebringer is scum, then eliminating Firebringer is eliminating scum, and dead scum is dead scum is not a bad elimination to make today.

[Yume]

VOTE: unwnd

[Yume]

Uh yeah I've played with her before

What a confusing outburst

Okay, then tell me she isn't verbose as town with a straight face.

[unwnd]

¤ Do not use anything not originating from this game in order to influence your play.

Pray tell how telling me that you want to report me for being ableist is not trying to influence the game outside of it, mastina

[unwnd]

Like if you want this game to blow up then by all means continue

[Yume]

Go on, tell me so! I dare you to tell me so!

[mastina]

You're playing a game and I'm reading you based on what you input on the game

This has no barring on your individuality

I don't appreciate being accused in this way,

And I don't appreciate you fucking accusing neurodivergent folk of their neurodivergencies being scumtells.

You have repeatedly ignored the people saying why those traits are not inherently alignment indicative--that ain't meta. That's them having basic respect for the fact that neurodivergencies mean that neurodivergent players are not going to think in the "standard" way.

If you were reading based off of input on the game, you would read the nature of the content produced from the neurodivergency, not accuse the neurodivergency itself of being scum.

Once I was already furious at--but twice is inexcusable.

[unwnd]

OK so you just want to sink this game then

[Yume]

Uh yeah I've played with her before

What a confusing outburst

Okay, then tell me she isn't verbose as town with a straight face.

[unwnd]

Not once did I mention anything related to your personal life

I will attest to this as many times as I have to

[Yume]

Also, mastina, he wants you to go off the handle, so don't.

[unwnd]

No I don't?

I want to play the game

But mastina has not made about the game, so we're having this discussion

[mastina]

¤ Do not use anything not originating from this game in order to influence your play.

Pray tell how telling me that you want to report me for being ableist is not trying to influence the game outside of it, mastina

Ableist behavior needs to be shut down, period--if Meg wants to remove me from the game for having a belief that what you did is unacceptable if you are town, then so be it.

But it is unacceptable if you are town.

It is morally questionable, but not outright unacceptable, if you are scum.

It is utterly deplorable, and outright unacceptable, if you are town.

Because I don't know your alignment, I don't know which it is.

I've stated my belief that I believe you are scum being disingenuous. That is in-game.

But the behavior is unacceptable, regardless of your alignment. It is excusable and not reportable if you are scum, but it is inexcusable if you are town. It needs to stop regardless, and if Meg wants to replace me for saying so, so be it. But it's the truth.

Your ablelist comments are ableist, and unacceptable behavior.
If you are scum you have the excuse of playing to your wincon to discredit town--it is deplorable, but not illegal.
If you are town you have no excuse.

I won't know until you have flipped tho so I won't know if I need to report the ableist posts as being so.

[unwnd]

You're making this matter personal when it didn't have to be

What's worse, you are using that personal affront to influence the game

[Yume]

No I don't?

I want to play the game

But mastina has not made about the game, so we're having this discussion

And you have yet to tell me she is not verbose as town. You have yet to tell me that she doesn't make huge posts as town and only does so as scum.

[unwnd]

Because the fundamental way of playing scum is trying your best to emulate your towngame

What she actually does and what she says is vastly different

[Yume]

But of course you'll never admit she is verbose as town and not as scum.

[unwnd]

Not true, her posts remind me of Warehouse 13 where she was scum lol

[Yume]

Not true, her posts remind me of Warehouse 13 where she was scum lol

So you have one game of evidence. *yawn*

[Yume]

I, on the other hand, can list many towngames where she posted in this exact manner as town.

[unwnd]

Just for clarification I'm not engaging with any further discussion when it comes to personal matters

I have testified and I don't want this to continue in-game

[Radical Rat]

Alright, I'll concede I didn't read most of those posts, and rescind my remark about the townread being based on nothing. It was uncalled for considering that I already know I'm not reading all of your posts, and could have used ctrl-f as you say.

I don't agree it's anywhere near as strong as you think it is, but that's more a distaste for an overreliance on meta and a belief that players are able to manipulate and adapt it than anything else, and I don't think either of us are budging on that one.

Regardless, my point stands. I think a Town flip on either incriminates the other with very strong certainty, but also individually I find it likely both are scum, so I'm not moving.

[Yume]

Also, just like me, if she tries to emulate her towngame as scum, people will be able to tell. Maybe not me, but others would.

And now furtive will say 'but those who townread her are all scum for reasons I won't bother explaining'. Prediction go!