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VP Baltar wrote:

TNM wrote:IF I WAS CULT, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY I CAN CONFIRM MYSELF BECAUSE I WOULD BE INCAPABLE OF COMMITTING A MURDER

That's what we've been saying all along. Your reason for stalling this long is that you didn't stalk and you're trying to buy an extra day for your teams to you can craft/pass fetishes, rezz buddies, ward graves or whatever the hell else the cult would need you to do at night.

How is this not making sense to you if you're town?

He isn't. Logic is going to elude him like with Baby Spice. This distraction has gone on long enough. Start voting.

totallynotmafia #4117 wrote:You think that is more important than confirming myself as town when I'm copping so much heat?

To poke my nose in, AurorusVox did have a compelling argument to what I said earlier about the mass of noises. I had not considered what would happen if totallynotmafia was ritual killed tomorrow night. If he has indeed stalked cult, then he has just become a priority target for them to ritual, so they can resuscitate whoever he stalked and the town will never know. If Benmage had been killed the night he attacked SpyreX, there might still be six cult left instead of five. Revealing the identity of one cultist is more valuable than confirming the alignment of any one townie.

Do we have our plans in place?

IEC ----> kills ----> Vox ----> Res -----> Iec/Seacore

VPB ----> kills ----> Andrius ----> Res -----> ???

Ben ----> robs ----> TNM
(I guess since there's only one grave to rob we can't shut xvart down even if we wanted to)

And everyone else do the happy dance?

BM, don't start voting.

Let's organise all the night actions

To do list before we lynch either TNM or Plum
1. Get Triglav's night claim
2. Make a final decision as to who kills who.
3. Finalise other night actions in a formal Hito-esque post

Once these are done we can progress to lynching.

Hell, once we do those three we can even try out some suicidal tests, although I think it's too cumbersome at the moment. If we do do it, whoever is going to be our lynch for the day must be one of the first to vote in each test.

I'll tell you what's going to happen after I claim my target: Cult will fuck with my kill tonight, I wont be confirmed tomorrow, and everybody will be on my back again saying "Yeah we knew you couldn't murder" and I'll be in the same shitty position.

Maybe I'm being selfish, which is why if the majority wants me to claim I'll do it. I still think having a confirmed town, especially one who may be lynched soon, is much more ideal for town.

TNM, as Feysal has put, it is more important for us to watch scum reactions than to confirm townies.

Declare your target.

If you hit scum, scum either die or they save the person. If you die in the night and they save your declared target we've probably found scum

If you hit town, scum either let you do it and you're confirmed, or they spend a first aid kit and their ritual on a target of your choosing.

If you ARE scum, you'll get caught, or try to claim that scum has rezzed your target and is staying quiet about it. If that's the case we kill you, and if you flip town, we kill your target.

If you don't declare:
Maybe you get confirmed.
If you dont' get confirmed and you are town, we mislynch.

It definitely makes sense for AV to use his kit.

Since it's now clear to me that SC was killed last night, I agree that me killing is fine.

To be fair, the only other benefit to him not claiming is in the off chance I did Stalk last night and my target has not been declared yet, so him keeping it a secret might prevent me from knowing if it would be safe to murder tonight. That should be pretty unlikely as the obvious targets to try and hide a murder under have already been claimed; but there is that. But I agree, TNM needs to claim his target.

I see your point Seacore but you also illustrated my point, if I'm not confirmed tomorrow then I'm "caught" and mislynched, which would be okay if that meant my target was 100% scum but it doesn't, because it could be a town player who was rezzed and ritualised.

Anyway, I want to hear what everyone else has to say before I do anything.

In that worst case scenario, TNM, you've still dictated who the cult will ritual, which is better than them killing someone who is pro-town.

Meanwhile, we've got communers, investigators and stalker/killers hunting for them.

Yeah, good point, at least i'll be able to cross a suspicion off my list if I'm wrong.

Exactly.

Also, maybe they don't have the rez kit to spare.

And your death tomorrow is not a forgone conclusion even if you aren't confirmed, we have other people out there doing night actions.

(, Benmage, AurorusVox, Andrius)
(, totallynotmafia, , Nicodemus)
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xvart - 0 (, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , )
Seacore - 0 (, )
Feysal - 0 ()
VP Baltar - 0 ()
Trilobite - 0 ()
Nicodemus - 0 (, )
VasudeVa - 0 ()
hitorogoshi - 0 ()
AurorusVox - 0 ()
Iecerint - 0 ()
Nachomamma8 - 0 ()
Andrius - 0 ()
Plum - 0 ()

Not Voting (13) - (Feysal, hitorogoshi, Iecerint, kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, Plum, Seacore, Triglav, Trilobite, VasudeVa, VP Baltar, xvart)

totallynotmafia wrote:

@MOD: If a player is targetted by both a murder and the ritual, will it say that they were murdered or destroyed by an unspeakable being?

kunkstar7 wrote:

@Mod:Can we proxy votes?

AurorusVox wrote:Do we have our plans in place?

IEC ----> kills ----> Vox ----> Res -----> Iec/Seacore

VPB ----> kills ----> Andrius ----> Res -----> ???

Ben ----> robs ----> TNM
(I guess since there's only one grave to rob we can't shut xvart down even if we wanted to)

And everyone else do the happy dance?

VOX RESES IECE
I WAS ALREADY TOLD TO REXZ SEACORE

TNM, I'm letting VPB slit my throat tonight. The least you could do is claim your goddman stalk target.
Bote stays.

I'm busy packing to go back to college. Hopefully I can throw up the new reference before I leave. TNM claim your goddamn stalk target.

TNM stalked Hito.
/bets one cuddle

You're close, I'll give you three guesses.

JACK
BENMAGE
VPB

Oh.
Well. Idk how Jack snuck in there. I just came from reading DEFCON Mafia, so.

How about Benmage VPB and Seacore?

TNM you ARE being selfish. A one-for-one trade is fantastic for town. If you get mislynched your target gets lynched later along with you. THAT IS GOODTHINGS.

Andrius wrote:VPB

Ding ding ding ding ding! Was it that obvious?

The fact that he's stalking you is the main reason i think it's okay to claim it now, seeing as he's potentially confirmable himself. He's not my top scum pick, I would much rather have stalked somebody like kunkstar, but the only way to guarantee (or at least give myself the best chance at) a successful stalk was to stalk somebody not on the stalk targets list, and VPB I find the scummiest out of everyone else, mainly because he got real defensive after i said he should stalk again yesterday. Like I said in my first post of today, if you don't like it, blame Benmage for putting me in this position.

Anyway, I understood what you guys meant by catching scum, but if VPB is cult, enough people think he is town so that he may be rezzed by town anyway, making it impossible draw scum connections from rezzes, which is why I was more concerned with confirming myself. I'm not as confident with him being cult now that he's claimed a successful stalk, it could be a gambit, but we'll see tomorrow anyway.

And can we please test for at least a few suicidals today? I think it would be stupid not to when there's a good chance that cult members secretly picked that insanity.

Also I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the fake rez gambit by Nico, it's not that outlandish that they would forgo one ritual to save a member on the chopping block, particularly if their chances are in the toilet.

AurorusVox wrote:TNM you ARE being selfish. A one-for-one trade is fantastic for town. If you get mislynched your target gets lynched later along with you. THAT IS GOODTHINGS.

If I'm not confirmed tomorrow that doesn't mean my target is cult.

lol, I had a feeling. You've officially passed Furc on the nonsense meter if you're actually town. Then again, that's pretty unlikely.

SEE.

I'd have Rez'd VP tonight if I hadn't been getting killedkilled. And then all sorts of kerflooey would have occurred.



Option: No one (town) rez VPB. Hito kills Andy instead since we don't need the dead cleared.


A) VPB survives -----> claims if he was murder targetted -----> if YES, clear TNM*
------------------------------------------------------------> if NO, lynch TNM -----> if TNM flips town, lynch VPB


B) VPB is murdered --> clear TNM


C) VPB is ritual'd ----> lynch TNM



Efficient but upsetting plan, right?