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Ok so I'm back from my V/LA. I have been reading along. Retaining all that info is another thing entirely. Fair sure I caught someone asking where I sent money last night and I'm pretty sure I already said I didn't. I really just want a flip right now. I want to get some reasons to vote someone but every time I try and pick something out and consolidate it in my mind I just get a list of 3 or so other people that have done the same shit. So bottom line is, I've thrown all my reads out the door until I get something else to vote on be it flip or shit that doesn't add up. So for now my vote is now there to be claimed by the highest bidder (ahahahaha, pun not literal before people start yelling at me).

I am happy to get behind pretty much any lynch right now. I have a total of two townreads. Myself and Mina, jury is still out on Faraday.

In post 4121, BBmolla wrote:I can claim mine at least if you want

Much as I personally would like this info, I'm mostly interested in what happened to the overall plan to decide on this as a strategy, if that makes sense.

In post 4124, zMuffinMan wrote:

ghosty wrote:Lynching Nero Cain at this point is still sub-optimal with a cop innocent on him, Tailor possibilities or not

are you proposing we leave nero alive til endgame because of the cop inno (in a game where we know scum has investigation immunity) and ignore his play? or what is your logic here?

(btw, nobody has tailor. it was not won on the first round of auctions, and still hasn't gone up for auction again, so a guilty would mean something but there is a very real possibility that any innocent results cannot be trusted because of investigation immunity)

Not endgame per se, but invalidating cop results for fear that the target was the one player who got the ability is paranoid and devaluing the town power. Paranoia is part of the game, sure, but not at the cost of screwing ourselves over. I'd rather vote/lynch a scum read who doesn't have a cop innocent on him.

Didn't realize Tailor wasn't in play, sorry.

--PA

In post 4125, Espeonage wrote:I am happy to get behind pretty much any lynch right now. I have a total of two townreads. Myself and Mina, jury is still out on Faraday.

Add us to the list for ez townpoints.

I wanna kill baldeagle and I really don't see how he's been obvious town.

Regarding you+Garuda, LB, I'm saying that I doubt both of you will be wrong on a Molla read even in the absence of scum.

I forget what GP did earlier but they were like confirmed town or something so I dunno.

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Nero Cain (4): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
BBmolla (4): Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri, 1baldeagle1, uʍop ǝpısdn
uʍop ǝpısdn (2): ProHawk, BBmolla
zMuffinMan (1): Nero Cain
1baldeagle1 (1): pieguyn

Not Voting (2): Lost Butterfly, Espeonage

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In post 4128, Magua wrote:

Vote Count 5.18

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Nero Cain (4): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
BBmolla (4): Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri, 1baldeagle1, uʍop ǝpısdn
uʍop ǝpısdn (2): ProHawk, BBmolla
zMuffinMan (1): Nero Cain
1baldeagle1 (1): pieguyn

Not Voting (2): Lost Butterfly, Espeonage

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Quilford is posting in place of uʍop ǝpısdn until access issues for the hydra get resolved.

Oh god what have i done.

VOTE: baldeagle

Oh and I'm iffy on joining Nero. I thought he was town before the investigation claim, and I'm going to trust that Nero didn't have the moneys to get the immunity.

So consider me voting BB because it's bigger until someone can convince me otherwise.

We have two universal townreads:
1. Lost Butterfly
2. pieguyn

We roll a two-sided dice, if you roll a 1, you send all of your money to LB, and so on. The two townreads will bid for Night kill in attempt to keep it out of scum's hands.

P-Edit: Esp, why don't you just vote Molla?

In post 4131, 1baldeagle1 wrote:

IDEA PLAN FOR TONIGHT

We have two universal townreads:
1. Lost Butterfly
2. pieguyn

We roll a two-sided dice, if you roll a 1, you send all of your money to LB, and so on. The two townreads will bid for Night kill in attempt to keep it out of scum's hands.

P-Edit: Esp, why don't you just vote Molla?

This is, like, objectively bad.

Because this way saves me changing my vote every few hours.

And yeah, the time for plans is past.

So, how do we avoid scum getting night kill?

In post 4135, 1baldeagle1 wrote:So, how do we avoid scum getting night kill?

Lynch scum.

In post 4119, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 4118, ProHawk wrote:I thought it was a very town way to push someone to lynch.

...and...?

I mean, yes, I get what you're trying to say here, but why would LB try to swing a lynch onto me, someone who's had his potential as a lynch be dead since it was derailed D3, "scumslip" or otherwise?

I mean, just read how LB tried that. Does it read as scum trying to get themselves a mislynch or as town who honestly thinks they found something?

In post 4127, Harakiri wrote:I forget what GP did earlier but they were like confirmed town or something so I dunno.

Since when was GP conftown?

In post 4126, Ghostly Penguin wrote:Much as I personally would like this info, I'm mostly interested in what happened to the overall plan to decide on this as a strategy, if that makes sense.

Not, much, really, after LB proposed it, other than there being a couple detractors to it. I don't think it's a bad idea, personally.

In post 4125, Espeonage wrote:I want to get some reasons to vote someone but every time I try and pick something out and consolidate it in my mind I just get a list of 3 or so other people that have done the same shit.

Do you agree with what these other people have already talked about? And what are these things, anyways?

In post 4113, BBmolla wrote:But I do that as town

Are you trying to be smart with me?

PEDIT: That only stops one person. There still needs to be enough funds.

In post 4137, Voidedmafia wrote: I mean, just read how LB tried that. Does it read as scum trying to get themselves a mislynch or as town who honestly thinks they found something?

It could easily have been scum who actually found something and went for it because it wasn't BS, it wasn't made up.

In post 4138, ProHawk wrote:It could easily have been scum who actually found something and went for it because it wasn't BS, it wasn't made up.

Okay, why?

In post 4135, 1baldeagle1 wrote:So, how do we avoid scum getting night kill?

We play like any other fucking game. Or send moneys to your fave person without proclaiming it to the world.

In post 4137, Voidedmafia wrote:Are you trying to be smart with me?

Not even, I self meta a lot as town

In post 4139, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 4138, ProHawk wrote:It could easily have been scum who actually found something and went for it because it wasn't BS, it wasn't made up.

Okay, why?

Why you cant understand this is beyond me, but step-by-step:

A) You are town, and just mixed up your words/made a legitimate mistake - What an easy scum-pushed-mis-lynch. You caught town red-handed in a lie. It doesn't get any more town/any easier than this as scum.

B) You are scum with them - You screwed up. Someone is going to catch your mistake, its time to point out the find before someone else does and come out all the townier for it.

C) You are scum on the other hand - You screwed up. See section A and B, they both potentially apply in this scenario.

In post 4141, BBmolla wrote:Not even, I self meta a lot as town

And you think I really give a rat's ass about self-meta?

In post 4142, ProHawk wrote:Why you cant understand this is beyond me

No, I mean, why does it have to be from an LB-scum perspective here? Besides, the timing's fucking terrible, anyways, to push me for a lynch. Not because I'm "never getting lynched ever" (I don't think anything but a true not guilty) can put me there at this point), but because, as I said, I haven't been a serious lynch candidate since D3, so I find it REALLY unlikely that LB-scum would do that, ESPECIALLY on one person who's townread her since Day fucking 1 (and I think I'm the only one still alive who's townread her that long, but I could be wrong).

So kindly explain A.) Why it's not bad timing for her to push a mislynch on me, and B.) Why LB-scum would turn on one of her staunchest supporters, either to bus or to mislynch?

In post 4143, Voidedmafia wrote:And you think I really give a rat's ass about self-meta?

Yes

In post 4144, BBmolla wrote:

In post 4143, Voidedmafia wrote:And you think I really give a rat's ass about self-meta?

Yes

WRONG!

In post 4143, Voidedmafia wrote:why does it have to be from an LB-scum perspective here?

Because I have a scum-read on them. I don't really understand your timing thing "point" here. Just because you aren't the lead wagon makes you a not serious lynch candidate? You have been on the discussion block for lynch times. This doesn't just go-away. And the answer to her voting her "biggest supporter" could either be to avoid a cross examination in the late stages of the game of setting up an ideal LYLO, or you both are scum and its a bus.

This argument is getting stale. We obviously have our different views on the subject. You are a worshiper, and I am the devils advocate. If I am scum for it, then put me in your scum-pile or vote me or whatever you want to do with me.

In post 3866, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 3861, Nero Cain wrote:No where did I ever say "well don't trust PV's read on UD." nor did I ever "chastise" Nacho. I was merely agreeing with Bald that his reads aren't the holy bible (not that I even trust the bible).

And yet you then act as if PV's read on you has some merit RIGHT AFTER YOU SAY THAT! Are you seriously expecting us to look the other way when you try and cherry-pick which reads from dead town are correct to suit your own wants?

I don't think you know what this means. At no point did I ever suggest that UD was scum.

In post 3861, Nero Cain wrote:Like I should have to prove anything that's fucking obvious.

So...if it's that obvious, then surely you have more to show than half-hearted VCA of the final VCs for D1-3, of which you chose three people on two of the wagons and two people on all three and suggested that there MIGHT be 1-2 scum within them? I may be forgetting some analysis from you along the way of this 5 MS-day, 2 RL-month, 170+-page game, but if THAT'S all you got...no, it's not obvious.

Anyone that's paying any sort of attention to this game and/or is not an idiot sees that you've escaped 3 lynches. You and Muffin asking me to "prove" that is just fucking retarded.

In post 3861, Nero Cain wrote:You two cannot be this dense. You've escaped three lynches and now everyone has apparently given up on lynching your scum ass. If that's not resistance then I don't know what is. I even checked the online dictionary to make sure I was using the word correctly and yeah I'm right. I did ask Muffin what he'd use to describe your inability to get lynched but I don't think he replied 'cause the only thing that describes it is RESISTANCE.

Well, that's not "resistance". That's "giving up". They aren't the same thing.

Why do you think scum would "give up" lynching you and lynch someone in your place?

So here's a few things: 1. How was the shift from the two of us to Seanald a scummy shift off of a partner's wagon and not, say, town latching onto a perceived slip as it looks like to me? 2. If not, then what of those afterwards in the middle? 3. Finally, why, exactly, does the near-miss D3 point to JUST resistance to my wagon, and not to yours?

1. I'm not sure what you are asking here. Though do you really think the Sean wagon was scumless?
2. ????
3. I know that I'm town, I don't know that your town. So I fail to understand why you think my being town should make me go "oh oh Voided is sooo town 'cause I'm town too!!!"

So perhaps you could find a better way to call me scum than insist that because I got halfway to a lynch twice and nearly was lynched once I'm scum.

That's actually a reason why I find you scummy, you're acting like the reason that I find you scummy is 'cause of the "resistance" thing. Its not and that, to me, looks like a straight up scum defense.

There's also that you refused to look at the DP wagon.
Your buddying up to Muffin.
Your fence sitting on Molla and Mhork.

but that's only what I remember. I would say "look in my ISO" but then you'll just yell and scream about how you have no time.

In post 3885, Voidedmafia wrote:Whether or not I was going to be lynched had nothing to do with how pissed I was at how you used that, FYI.

Why would you be pissed off that your vote was frozen?

In post 3893, Garuda wrote:There was a beautiful light that has something to do vaguely with lots of people flipping town and your catch up posts sucking big time.

Awesome though I fail to see how that's different from any other fucking game.

In post 3898, Garuda wrote:

In post 3896, Lost Butterfly wrote:Actually, in Garuda's defence, I see most of what he said about Nero was stuff that happened today.

According to Nero, the only thing that I've said about him so far is that PV had a townread on UD!

ummm no.

^Don't forget, Upside Down goes tomorrow.