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In post 4123, fferyllt wrote:urge to burn.

and I want to believe pooky's town.

your faith in me fills me with warmth fiery

it's not so much faith as hope.

I dont get where the urge to burn came from?

And i suppose i wont get a truthful answer out of this, but eh: does scum!you kill town!cabd who is townreading you?

In post 4128, fferyllt wrote:it's not so much faith as hope.

hope burns brightly in the night sky,

dreams of winter echoing across moonlight.

pooky, sell me on scum bork

Skitter is the President of the company. I am just the regional sales manager.

In post 4129, skitter30 wrote:I dont get where the urge to burn came from?

And i suppose i wont get a truthful answer out of this, but eh: does scum!you kill town!cabd who is townreading you?

Stuff's been bothering me off and on since day 1 and I keep thinking we're going to have an exchange where I suddenly and clearly see town-bork. This is all stuff he's been aware of, so I don't think I'm giving up any advantage in the meta arms race. Stuff he doesn't know (yet) about the evolution of my approach to reading him is not not making it into this wall.

He knows that a lot of my reads of him are based on how he reacts to being pressured. I express those reactions as "irritability", because that's what they look like to me. The underlying emotions may be something else, but to me, that's how they appear from the outside.

Most of his strong reactions, particularly to Prism are in town-bork range by that measure.

His reactions to me expressing concerns about him, not so much.

The difficulty here is that I was town against scum-him in the illicit game and he was close enough to my expectations of town-him that I kept shrugging off my concerns. And I was giving him plenty of info to figure what what was missing. Cabd and I were hydra-ing as morph in that game and his read went south well before mine did. And when my read did go south, zmuffin had a winning strategy planned out, and we followed the strategy, though acquiescing to our own elim the day before mxlo was not fun and not something I want to repeat!

In that game, he would jump on something that looked inconsistent and really go at us (usually me) until he was satisfied with the answer. This is sort of how our T-T interactions would go in the before-times. But, in those games, I knew precisely what allayed his suspicions and why he would back off. In the illicit game, there wasn't that kind of line-of-sight between the cause of his suspicions and the resolution of them. I was left feeling like he was basically reading me off of emotional reactions to his pushes, which was NOT how he read when we used to play together.

In this game, I've done my best not to give him emotional content to "sign off" on. And he's not pushed me very hard about my vaguely expressed concerns, especially after day 1.

I feel like I sort of launched this approach to reading him almost from the beginning, though I didn't come into the game with this as a plan for sorting him. And I also haven't pursued it as strongly as I should have, especially day 2.

The proximate cause of my urge is post 4091. In the context of how I think he reads me, and how I know he expects me to read him, that response looks so anemic. I've been mulling over it and second guessing myself, but this is where I want to vote today.


Re me killing Cabd as scum. It's been a really long time since I've been scum against town-him. In one game I didn't nk him. In the other, I nk'd him on night 5, I think. He'd claimed even night vig and we couldn't risk him getting to another even night no matter what his reads of the remaining scum were. At that point, I may have been the last scum. There was a 3rd game but I was the day one elim in that one, and he was an unknown quantity. I would have focused on known threats if I hadn't been elimed before the first night phase.

What would I do in Year of our Lord 2020? I think it would depend on how long I thought I could maintain his townread.

Hmmmm ok
Let me mull that over and digest for a bit. The timing is like ... niggling and feels a bit off so i'm now feeling a bit cautious

I guess r.e. cabd what i'm getting at is do you think you can maintain his townread

In post 4134, skitter30 wrote:Hmmmm ok
Let me mull that over and digest for a bit. The timing is like ... niggling and feels a bit off so i'm now feeling a bit cautious

I guess r.e. cabd what i'm getting at is do you think you can maintain his townread

I don't know! He spotted scum-me off one post in a newbie game I replaced into. It was a BAD post, but still. He wasn't in that game and I wasn't trying to tailor my play to him.

Though I probably should just assume he and everyone else who's into fresh ffery meta is always looking over my shoulder in every game.

It's really hard to put myself into scum-mindset even when I'm scum. I ~think~ I would have felt ok based on his yesterday read. But, given some of the stuff he was crumbing at me on day 1, I might very well have NKed him on N1.

btw that bad post of mine in the newbie game was the reason he jumped all over your catch up post with the duplicate line in it. He even called it out to me because he expected I'd see it too and agree with him.

? Sorry i'm not following

In post 376, skitter30 wrote:yay random assorted thought time:

- townpings from bork on p1
- scumpings on ffery p2
- pooky why is dgb lockscum?
- townpings on prism
- i don't particularly like vax's entrance but i think he might just post like that?
- *squints at element's readlist* in 151
- cabd may be town
- oh no i think mena may be scum (sorry i see that you didn't want that to be outed but now that it has idk how to ignore it)
- maybe town on syryana
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In post 233, Prism wrote:

In post 225, borkjerfkin wrote:

I think even without knowing them, and only seeing this game, this holds true, though.

This is really the crux: curious as to why you think this

Three active, strong posters.

VOTE: borkjerfkin

this vote makes me sad cuz i think both you and bork are town

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In post 273, Prism wrote:I think extending my point that townreading three active, strong posters is very bold as scum.

ok but does elements know that they have this reputation even tho?

- cabd may be town
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In post 324, Mod Pizza wrote:(2) oh, uh. How fortunate that I don’t have a relationship like that with anyone in this PL either then. Nobody at all, nuh-uh .>

on a related note i think you're probably scum and i think i'm probably not gonna force it just yet
- *maybe* (?) townread on pooky (?)

In post 385, Cabd wrote:Skitter I have a major problem with that catch-up post.


I bet Ffery sees it too.

In post 405, Cabd wrote:That's fine, I can wait. It's just that every time I've seen this "same thought twice" thing in the past, it's been scum who went back and tried to edit their catch up to fit the narrative they wanted to fit and I am really hoping you can convince me otherwise or I'll be sad, but in the words of my old friend remembrance, "close your eyes and yeet it"

In post 420, fferyllt wrote:

In post 385, Cabd wrote:Skitter I have a major problem with that catch-up post.


I bet Ffery sees it too.

I see it.

Feels a little different, though. More to say one of these days.

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I'm fading and the game is picking up speed. :/

Ohhhhhhh i see you did that in your bad post in the newbie

In post 4133, fferyllt wrote:In this game, I've done my best not to give him emotional content to "sign off" on. And he's not pushed me very hard about my vaguely expressed concerns, especially after day 1.

I feel like I sort of launched this approach to reading him almost from the beginning, though I didn't come into the game with this as a plan for sorting him. And I also haven't pursued it as strongly as I should have, especially day 2.

Can you quote a few specific posts/times throughout the game where you feel you where taking this approach to him and/or where you feel like his response to you was off

(I.e. one or two examples of both would be helpful)

In post 4096, skitter30 wrote:Ok but if i'm going to miss i need you to show me where i'm wrong and to explain what would be a better vote, because otherwise i see little reason to change from my current course

I mean literally anything would be a better vote and I don't know how to effectively communicate that to you

I don't feel like pooky is attempting to solve the game; he has put some reads down but I don't see sufficient analysis coming about any of them and I doubt I'm going to find anything more substantial than "I don't like the attitude behind literally any vote he's made this game"

I don't know where else to look. I think noddy, you, ffery, vax are all reasonably town. DGB being a fourth PR claim is something I'm considering but if she is what she says she is I think she set up the ways to prove that from the getgo pretty well.

It could still be Prism; I'm not sure what the hell prism is doing at this point but at this point I'm probably psychologically incapable of getting into another argument w/ Prism without just wanting to not play this game anymore.

In post 4133, fferyllt wrote:In this game, I've done my best not to give him emotional content to "sign off" on. And he's not pushed me very hard about my vaguely expressed concerns, especially after day 1.

I don't feel like you've even expressed a vague concern on me since day 1 up until this exact wagon

prism is so bored by this game he stopped playing like 3 weeks ago.

does that really sound like scum!prism?

i have essentially no substantial experience w/ prism

In post 4143, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:prism is so bored by this game he stopped playing like 3 weeks ago.

does that really sound like scum!prism?

...Why do you think it's not scum Prism?

I basically saw I missed my chance to just instahammer and now I'm just waiting until I get the motivation to read, which might be 2021 or 2022.

I did check balance in normals and DGB probably isn't autoscum for it after all but eh I'll leave my vote for now.

because you sound like you don't care at all

In post 4141, borkjerfkin wrote:I mean literally anything would be a better vote and I don't know how to effectively communicate that to you

I don't feel like pooky is attempting to solve the game; he has put some reads down but I don't see sufficient analysis coming about any of them and I doubt I'm going to find anything more substantial than "I don't like the attitude behind literally any vote he's made this game"

I don't know where else to look. I think noddy, you, ffery, vax are all reasonably town. DGB being a fourth PR claim is something I'm considering but if she is what she says she is I think she set up the ways to prove that from the getgo pretty well.

do you think that my assumption that there's scum in the cohort is incorrect?
also i agree that ffery's timing for outing her suspicion of you is suspect

In post 4147, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:because you sound like you don't care at all

Right, but why is this town indicative?

I hate to make the case against myself here but you just watched me obsess over a game for months as town, pouring over the entire 180 page game like 6 times, while in my most recent scumgame I outright abandoned Isis and refused to play because I thought the town wasn't worth playing against. Even back in 2018's The Thaw that I linked earlier I called my scumgames "surgical snoozefests" so I don't exactly have a record of excitement.